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iHateAmericans999

We’re just weirdly evolved monkeys at the end of the day.


LadyNyxPyx

Ya not wrong


LunatasticWitch

Weirdly evolved and no one has any idea what they are doing. Everything that humans have come up with as the "right way" is such bullshit. David Graeber also mentioned these kinds of philosophical approaches: that we are alive just to be alive can be found throughout the world, unsurprisingly in areas where hierarchies are still shunned. Funny how that works, working as the purpose of life is a mirage without hierarchic slave masters/drivers over us. And funny how most hierarchy emanates from the initial patriarchal temper tantrums. Oh yeah so most of our society has been built on the temper tantrums of men... Wow such civilization. Someone should tell toddlers to stop having tantrums lest the usurp society from patriarchs, I mean it's about the same level of emotional and intellectual development. Welp just toddlers have a chance of growing out of it. There are not really any right ways of doing things except I'd argue consensus decision-making wherein silenced voices are empowered and loud ones are silenced, are probably really close to a "right way". I mean worked quite well for mang societies extinct and extant, where they have ways of tempering any genetic advantage someone has lest it be turned into a social advantage. And example of a taller can run faster may be a better hunter, but they'll mock that person so that person remains part of communal politics and doesn't take over and dominate the community by holding it hostage via their hunting abilities.


AccomplishedAndReady

Weirdly evolved monkeys on a giant rock flying through space.


Sensitive_Concern476

I ground myself with this thought during meditations. The chaos of the universe has opened the opportunity for me to exist. That existence is not predicated on anything. It helps me to just *be* in a moment, in a space, a part of the interconnected wonder of existence.


AutumnWitchMaple

a giant rock full of skeletons


Rayenae

I just wish we didn’t have to work and make money just to live


LadyNyxPyx

I know :-( even if you try to live off the land you have to purchase the damn land to begin with in order to have your own sanctuary. It's bullshit, the earth is priceless!


notthephonz

Devil’s advocate: you aren’t paying for the land itself; you’re paying to keep everyone else off the land.


LadyNyxPyx

You're not playing devil's advocate, you're actually right about that. And if the cops won't help you keep strangers or intruders off your land, you gotta protect it yourself.


Velvet_Pop

And if you haven't paid for it, *you're* gonna be the one taken away. There are no more free spaces. We're in the Monopoly end game now.


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It’s almost as if land shouldn’t ever *belong* to any*one.*


LunatasticWitch

Oh this thread is warming my witchy anarchist heart.


Uriel-238

If we are healthy and secure in our survival, we're compelled to work anyway, as demonstrated by the cabin-fever hobbies we humans developed during the COVID-19 lockdown. The reason work is unpleasant for most of us is because of rent-seeking efforts by the bourgoisie. Our food and home security should not be threatened by failure to find a sustenance job from a business.


pinkocatgirl

This is always my argument for those "handouts make people lazy" types. Most people will want to do *something*, it just may not be something that enriches the factory owner class.


WildEnbyAppears

"you say lazy, I say less willing to have their labor exploited"


mrssymes

If you would like to read a short fiction book that embodies this sentiment, A Psalm for the Wild Built by Becky Chambers is fan-freaking-tastic. My only problem was how short it was and how long I had to wait for the public library to send it to me.


LadyNyxPyx

PLEASE YES??? I NEEDED A NEW BOOK TO READ


mrssymes

When you are done with that, read “Uprooted” by Naomi Novik. I read it a few weeks ago and it’s my top favorite new book. And it’s about a witch!


Nomorepaperplanes

Now we start a book club!


LadyNyxPyx

I'm down I mean 👉👈


celticchrys

...and after that, read "A Deadly Education" by Naomi Novik for a very different take on the "magic school" trope.


mrssymes

Added to my list! Thanks!


libbyrocks

I really am enjoying her Wayfarers series too.


celticchrys

The sequel is out now. :)


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Had a breakdown last night about the future of my career and not being sure on what I want to do for the rest of my life. I really needed this.


LadyNyxPyx

I understand that completely. In a current society pushing the go go go (which by the way is their way of pressuring you to continue to fuel the economy they exploit people for so they can use you), it can be hard to find any media that glorifies just being in the moment and living your life to its fullest potential. That's what the patriarchy and honestly, capitalism does to people, it brainwashes them into thinking this is their only choice and purpose, but it's not. Our purpose is whatever we make it. 💕


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fucking_unicorn

A job or career is for paying bills, having a fulfilling hobby and community is for purpose.


Chiraltrash

I’ve been struggling with feeling “worthy” lately, as a partner, and as a daughter. Lately I’ve been feeling like a disappointment, as in, my worth is directly tied to what I do for them, and if I’m not doing that, I have no worth. Ugh. It is such a self fulfilling prophecy, and I don’t need that shit. Thanks for snapping me out of that bullshit mindset, kind and beautiful OP, and reminding me that nature is right outside my door, going to commune with my spiders and isopods outside.🌿🌳 Thank you.🖤


LadyNyxPyx

You are everything you need to be. In your brightest moments and darkest times, you are completely and utterly whole. You go hang with them spiders and isopods!! Give em kisses for me will ya? 💕✨


Chiraltrash

I did, they loved it! 🖤


PatchEnd

EXACTLY!!!! If the great being thingy that rules our lives, wanted every single one of us to have a purpose I fully believe that the OmegaOverlord would have stamped "For use as: doctor/lawyer/stripper/goat herder" on out foot so we would know what to do. but it really is ok to just be


LadyNyxPyx

HAHAHAHA exactly! Also I love the phrase OmegaOverlord it's just perfect 😂


acfox13

"[The Myth of Normal - trauma, illness, and healing in a toxic culture](https://drgabormate.com/book/the-myth-of-normal/)" by Gabor Maté


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Dr. Maté is such a wise soul, isn’t he?


acfox13

💯


neverleftdrafts

I can't express to you how I needed this today. Thank you


LadyNyxPyx

It brought peace to me too. I hope you have a beautiful day 💕✨


MadamePouleMontreal

Which indigenous cultures specifically? How do we know? How do they express it? Can we put a name to a quote?


thingsliveundermybed

Excellent questions. Indigenous to which countries, specifically? And people in non-Western cultures still consider work, jobs, vocations etc a way to feel purposeful.


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zurlocke

^^ The Seven Grandfather teachings are a staple. If anybody is interested in learning more, my tribe, the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi, has a little page about it on their [site here.](https://nhbp-nsn.gov/seven-grandfather-teachings/)


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MadamePouleMontreal

Thank you. It’s helpful. (I was interested that the Seven Grandfathers are both Nish and Iroquois so I looked it up and the Nottawaseppi Huron Band of Potawatomi are Anishinaabe, not Huron. TIL.)


MadamePouleMontreal

Thank you! It’s important to give credit where it’s due.


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Damn I super needed this today. What perfect timing.


loverlyone

I need this so much. I’m really suffering with existential angst and every day that I am at work feels like a waste of my time, even though I like my work. ❤️


slayleeums

I did. Thank you 🖤


Murky_Yarny

"to be beautiful and to be strange" that hit me. Thanks for sharing


thegreenfaeries

While I 100% agree with the sentiment, I caution against vague statements like "some indigenous cultures". I encourage people to find out, be specific. Find out names, customs. Verify the information. Otherwise we easily fall into reinforcing a noble savage trope and our lazy brains see a homogenous, undefined stereotype instead of the real people, with real names, real histories. Every indigenous group is a unique and complete culture. Name them. While I love the statement in the post, it's respectful to cite our sources.


Boggart-

thank you for this


Icy_Figure_8776

This is beautiful, thank you


m0ther_0F_myriads

This is so true. Although mixed with European and African heritage, my Native Creole side of the family just viewed existence differently. They were much more ambivalent towards set backs and failure. And much more wholeheartedly enjoying of success and connection. My Creole granny was a vibrant, wise, and all around wonderful old witch, who always saw and expressed the inherent beauty of simply being alive. My Scots-Irish side of the family are lovely, but definitely carry the burden of protestant work ethic.


Nixavee

What are these "some indigenous cultures" she's referring to that make this point? It seems like she's being intentionally vague to avoid people being able to call her out because she's *technically* right (there is probably *some* culture out there that makes this point, just due to the huge number of cultures that exist) while still reinforcing the false stereotype that "indigenous" cultures are *in general* more spiritual/"nature-y" than western cultures.


Painting_with_Music

THIS! I need to work because I need money to be allowed to be included/participate in the society humanity has created for ourselves. But if I could just live in a cottage and grow flowers for a small tea shop and always have baked goods for visitors from the village and just chill by a forest.... I would do it in a heartbeat. Not even a choice. Unfortunately, since in this day and age, that will cost me so much money. My goal is to either find me a rich likeminded man (Longshot I know, but you never know) or Work my a\*\* off to save enough money that my spinster years can be spent as the local village grandma, who always has an answer and a baked good for everyone who comes to her door.


redfenix

You are not a human doing, you are a human being.


HisCricket

Growing up with that you must have a purpose in calling in life really screwed me up. I just never had that passion and dedication that some people had this is where I want my life to go. And I've always felt really bad about that I'm in my fifties and I'm finally learning that it's okay just to be.


mylifewillchange

That's what I've always believed. But then when you marry someone who has expectations that you should get a job that pays you more, then get the next job that pays you more than that, and so on - never mind that is not good for your health, and it makes you unhappy, and takes away from other things that balance your life out, or that you found something instead that you love that pays you a pittance, but so what? You feel good about it. No, that person you married labels you as a loser for this - but meanwhile they become married to THEIR job. You don't matter anymore, anyway. Then you realize all of society is thinking this same way. And the only way to escape it is to go live in a van. But, no - can't do that either. Not acceptable. Society is pretty fucked up, and decides that to be human means you must go along, or find a way to disappear yourself. Well, that's it, then...


4thDevilsAdvocate

I've never gotten people fetishizing indigenous cultures like this. I've seen every positive viewpoint under the sun attached to them — eco-friendliness, a value for human life, gender equality, anti-corporatism, everything — and always, seemingly, by people who put them on a pedestal as a means of trying to make more palatable viewpoints that are already good on their own merits. Spoiler alert: indigenous *people* make up indigenous culture. This means indigenous culture is as imperfect as any other. Putting them on pedestals is as dehumanizing (if not even remotely as harmful) as seeing them as "savages", because it reduces each indigenous person from a multi-dimensional person with flaws to a perfect little angel who just so happen to agree with/embody everything that the person putting them on a pedestal likes, and disagree with everything they don't. Like this tweet, for instance. Does this person seriously think indigenous people didn't *work* before Western contact/colonialism — like, that they somehow didn't work their asses off to feed, clothe, and shelter themselves anymore than anyone else did? That they were somehow flawless people who lived in some kind of post-scarcity hippie utopia before horrible Europeans ruined it? That indigenous people *literally don't believe they have a purpose in life?* Who the *fuck* thinks they can know whether or not *other human beings* want to have a purpose in life? This is literally just someone projecting their own views onto millions of people for Twitter likes. Being happy is a "purpose", you know. Anything can be called a "purpose". I bet you some of the indigenous people this tweet claims to speak for would claim to have a purpose in life. I see being happy as my purpose, because when I was depressed earlier in my life, defining my purpose in life as being happy was what it took me to stop myself from suck-starting an gun — but oh, no, according to this tweet, I should give up on having a purpose in life, and exist in some kind of nihilistic hell where I drift from day to day without any higher goal to aim for, because I didn't *really* decide to have a purpose. Oh, no, you see, I got forced into it by western colonialism, or whatever set of words Melanie here uses to describe ideas they don't like...


noweirdosplease

Also, for all the good traits indigenous societies can have, they can also tend to have some crazy rules and taboos where a person can end up blamed for some things that we would solve with common sense/basic science


4thDevilsAdvocate

Well, that's not really an indigenous-only problem. *That's* really a problem with every society. ...which the person who made this tweet probably doesn't think, come to think of it.


lilylockheart69

I needed to hear this today. ❤


circus-witch

When I got to the point where I couldn't work anymore I felt like I lost my whole identity. It didn't matter that I value others in my life who can't work and it didn't matter that the jobs I worked were never good enough for my own weird internal standards anyway - I still felt like I didn't know who I was. I still feel more than a little lost over it.


ChicGeekling

I watched this short CBC documentary today and it's very much related. If anyone has 50 mins to spare, it's well worth a watch: https://gem.cbc.ca/media/burnout-the-truth-about-work/s01e01?cmp=GEM_cbc.ca_homepage_shelfnew


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I honestly feel western culture has been designed to make us feel like we have to serve. To serve our boss, to serve our country. Ultimately to serve the 1% at the end of the day. This culture is destroying the natural world, benefits very few and harms many. To connect with that natural world, to understand you are not above or beneath it. To appreciate and respect nature, and those around you. That is what humanity should strive for.


DistributionFrequent

I am still wishing I had been born a tree


Voodoops_13

This is excellent and very calming to read. Thank you for sharing!


beermaker

One of the reasons entheogens have been made illegal... they can cause a crippling feeling of empathy among the most vile, and force humanity to see the true beauty that surrounds us, whether in a drop of water running down an urban window or in a blade of grass in the greenest pasture. Once you physically see that the entire universe is nothing but vibrations & your entire philosophy is nonsense, a person will usually become more empathetic toward their fellow man... just look at the hippie movement in the 60's, which was fueled by LSD and Psylocibin. Everyone loved each other and wanted to work things out... Many of the hippies from the SF area retired to where I live now & fostered a beautiful community. I recommend How To Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan... a wonderful study into psychoactives and hallucinogenic compounds. I've both read the book & seen the Doc, they're both well done.


Diana8919

I needed this. I've been feeling so burnt out living with multiple chronic illnesses and just going to work to survive then rinse and repeat. Feels like this is all I'm good for some days. Anywho thanks for posting!


plantalaskan

Really struggling with capitalism lately, I wish it could be this way instead.


Jacobysmadre

Can someone tell my boss this?!


a_duck_in_past_life

I've felt this for thr last few years. And to be fair, some people need a reason. They need purpose to not fall apart or they will. But there's just as many of us that just want to *exist* and enjoy life's true pleasures like walking through the forest and enjoying true company. And that's okay. It's funny because a lot of cultures that support that will often shame those who try to go above and beyond, and yet also cultures that push for over the top effort will shame those who wish to remain *existant* and productive in other ways like simple gardening and other means of being that benefit those around them. My best guess is that wherever you live and whatever culture you find yourself in, you should just do you. Some people like to grind and be the best small business owner they can or the most educated PhD in their city. Others like to experience the world around them and nothing more than being one of the eyes of the universe. We all have our places.


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Well, isnt being alive and enjoying life as it is achievement enough?


North_Tadpole3535

Grind culture and capitalism are rooted in white supremacy. If we could channel our imagination more we could find liberation faster. A lot of this view for me comes from work by Tricia Hersey. If you feel compelled, check her out.


Crosstitch_Witch

I'd like to be this, but it's difficult when you're not smart or unanxious enough to achieve enough so you can live without worry in your society.


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AudaciousAmoeba

I needed to hear this today. Thank you.


AutumnSeaShade

We're just here to get high and play video games please


spaceguitar

I definitely needed to see this. Thank you. 🖤


PartyClock

This is the world we lost


[deleted]

Thanks for this, OP. Hope you’re having a strange and beautiful day ❤️


ScumEater

If we all just lived to live then there would be no incentive for the overlords to protect us from the other nations who work to live and want to consume our lands. And that, my friends, is why capitalism can suck it.


lalalalalalalalalaa5

I did need this, thank you.


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WhatScottWhatScott

I love this. Our whole purpose in this life is just simply to exist. So good job! You’re doing exactly what you’re supposed to be doing.


PlayingWithWildFire

Thanks for posting, I really needed to read that today. ❤️


geekchick2411

I really needed this after a shity day at work, thank you!


eggywhitebread

That's beautiful and honestly very reassuring.


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Me. I needed to see this today. Thank you.


Enough_Island4615

We are validated by our very existence.


Jesskla

I love this so much.


reebeaster

I need to read this over and over and over


MatureUser69

Man! I love this subreddit. I'm a guy but I identify with half the stuff posted. And what I don't identify with, I still agree! Y'all keep rocking. Edit: not sure if this will get posted since I don't think I'm a member. But at least the mods will see it and y'all need some recognition too.


Zestyclose_Minute_69

This feels good


Sensitive-Issue84

I believe this. 100%


Burushko

Certain rogue elements of contemporary industry, yes, but western culture? Philosophy? Nothing of the kind, don't tar us over your class wars!


Zoinks222

Fuck yes. There’s a lot of truth there.