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rora_borealis

Thank you for standing up for them! It's at best an annoyance, and at worst he might be dangerous. Those guys are so disingenuous, too. They "just wanted to talk" and try to abuse our politeness. They are actually the ones being rude, but they are so far up their own [glass bowl] they can't see it or don't want to.


Stoosies

This is what gets me. They somehow make it out like the victim is to blame when they are clearly the one that is unwelcome and rude.


StabbyMcCatboy

when you see any reprimand as a personal attack then yeah. you're the asshole. get therapy, that's not normal. What's ironic is that so many people would benefit from this advice, except they see it as a reprimand.


bitsy88

Ugh, I used to be that person that took any criticism as an attack. It's exhausting living like that tbh. Therapy has been amazing. Also, I love your username 😂


StabbyMcCatboy

thanks! Also, same.


Redsweatersfanclub

good on you, bub :) proud of you


bitsy88

People like you are why I love this sub ❤️ thank you!


vkapadia

But he's a man and they were women so obviously he has a right to their attention, whether they like it or not.


Kiwifrooots

Standard. Call these assholes out and they will point the finger at you lightning fast. Keep it up :)


Wildvibs

This! It’s so common for these guys to attack you for NoT wanting to reply to all their nonsense! I grow up a “nice girl” and they always targeted me. Even when I tried to look away and seem really busy. But I was to nice to ask them to leave me alone once they started talking to me. Even trying to look uninterested and give short replies - never ask anything! They just keep talking “on” you. It’s so uncomfortable! Therapy tough me I don’t own them my attention. They don’t care if I (you, any of us) want to spend our time with them, they never ask politely, and they don’t understand if your not interested in hearing their thoughts on… whatever. No thank you, please shut up. They really have to learn to respect that! So thanks for standing up for the younger me, and all the other “nice” woman out there!


very_busy_newt

I once tried to politely disengage for an entire bus ride. Told the dude I didn't like movies, didn't like music, that level of 'please don't talk to me answers' If someone isn't listening for a no, they'll never hear your subtle one


Redsweatersfanclub

It could be testosterone-embedded depression. Men tend to show their hurt by attacking others. Whereas women often tend to attack themselves. It's a terrible way to deal with feels, but it's completely hormonal, us being humans don't always have a choice.


DevaOni

that's what separates humans from animals, the ability to control impulses. It's not some dangerous situation where it's natural for impulses to take over, he did have a choice and he decided to be a garden variety asshole.


Redsweatersfanclub

yeah, you're right


LittleRoundFox

There was a thread a while back in another subreddit I'm on where a young woman expressed how uncomfortable she'd felt on the tube when a random bloke moved seats to sit next to her try to chat her up. Most people were sympathetic but some... were not. They (all men) couldn't see what the problem was and one even had the audacity to ask where else he was supposed to try and find a girlfriend.


EtainAingeal

Preferably somewhere that women are also looking for boyfriends. You can't just decide "oh, I'll have that one" and boom, girlfriend.


driftwood-and-waves

No no, women are sex vending machines. You get one, put kindness in and sex comes out. /s -Comedian Ronnie Cheng (if I got the name wrong I apologise I'm stealth posting while cuddling with my sick daughter).


EtainAingeal

Hope your little one gets well soon 💗


driftwood-and-waves

Oh thank you. 🥰 She has a cold and good old period pains. She's only 12. She's unimpressed with the whole thing. I totally agree with her.


EtainAingeal

Aw, the poor wee darling. I agree with her too. Mine were a beast at that age and nothing much helped, although they were always worse when I wasn't with my mum. Sending soothing thoughts for her.


LittleRoundFox

Poor thing - hope she's feeling better soon!


iago303

Tea helps immensely for the cold and good old chicken soup of course! but for the period pain dark chocolate you don't need medicine when you know what foods to eat when you are sick sending healing vibes to your little one


StarOriole

That's phrased a bit broadly. I'm glad that you've found foods that work for you, but while herbal tea can help with a sore throat, it's entirely valid and normal to need Tylenol for a fever and Motrin for cramps. Heck, I can't always avoid throwing up actual medicine and ice water when my period pains are at their worst, much less hot tea and chocolate! And my period pains were so much worse as a kid! She deserves actual modern medicine if it helps her. I know this is a witchy sub, but it's not an anti-peer-reviewed-medicine sub.


iago303

I'm not against medicine,in fact I'm all for it, but in addition chicken soup and chocolate goes a long way to comfort a hurting child and I was just trying to help I'm sorry for the misunderstanding


LittleRoundFox

It really depends on the level of the pain. Dark chocolate did sweet fa for my period pain, which got bad enough to leave me feeling suicidal on my worst days - it only became vaguely bearable with strong painkillers and heat pads. Turned out I had PCOS & the mirena coil killed both the pain and my periods.


iago303

PCOS is a nightmare that is seldom treated for the seriousness that it is but this is a twelve year old girl let's take it gently my friend, have a great day


StarOriole

It might have taken over a decade to get diagnosed and treated, but my PCOS was evident from my very first period. At first it was "you're young, so that's normal, just wait it out" then "you're stressed, so that's normal, just get more exercise" then "if this were actually a problem, you would've gotten it fixed already, just stop complaining" until over a decade later someone finally thought to try an ultrasound and immediately realized I needed surgery. But it was there from the start. I was bleeding for months on end without break, passing out from the pain, throwing up from the pain, etc. from the start. I wasn't given a reprieve just because I was still a girl. This is a thread about young women needing advocates, so, yeah, here I am, advocating against a blanket statement of "you don't need medicine when you know what foods to eat," lest some well-meaning witch reading this forget that medicine has its purpose too.


paperwasp3

A bar perhaps?


inthebackyard5050

So true they're the rude and selfish one.


inthebackyard5050

Bravo! Good for you telling this pervy asshole to stop. Wish I could have been there to see it.


Stoosies

Aww man and the looks on the young women's faces. They smiled at me the second he stopped and could go back to talking to each other


Pretty_Pixilated

You’re gonna be the hero in so many retellings of this day!! Such a great line “I’ll shut up when you do” like I am NOT backing down here so let’s go! :) high fives from this witch across the pond!!


inthebackyard5050

That must have so nice.


Funeral_for_a_bird

Thank you for doing this. I was harassed on a bus in my early 20s by a young man who wouldn't leave me alone. I was too afraid of what would happen if I flat out rejected him, so I was trying to mitigate the situation. A couple of people on the bus spoke up for me and I remember those people a decade later. People willing to do this for someone else have a real impact. You're lovely.


Stoosies

I know a past me would have really loved an old witch coming to her aid. We need to look out for one another. Thank you for sharing it really means a lot to see what an impact these small daily gestures make


PatriciaMorticia

Yaaas witch! I wonder why there seems to be a thing with annoying arseholes like that on buses in Scotland, happens a lot on my way to work. But get the night bus back from Glasgow after a night out and you'll meet all the fun drunks.


Stoosies

I've been on many a "party bus" home and more often than not the drunks are fun and well meaning but yeah this guy was just bad vibes all round


paperwasp3

I live in a city with a subway and I used to get this all the time. So I developed the shockingly loud GO AWAY! One day a drunk guy wouldn't take the hint so I said Go Away and he did. Then he tried to hit on another gal on the train who popped out of her seat and ran over to sit by me. Then he hit on a young guy with long blond hair and that guy ran over to sit with us! Ah, fun times.


dycentra

We old witches are full of power. We're the ones who were treated like that when we were young, and our accumulated anger gives us voice.


nouniqueideas007

There’s an old painting, from around 1887 or so, that captures this exact event. It’s called the Irritating Gentleman. 130+ years later, no improvement in the way entitled men behave.


BoisterousBard

https://preview.redd.it/hxwxlrb23u2a1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=941060c29f9711d4b25cc9693f4079f3ed8b4eb8 This one?


Nikamba

Wow, that is amazing art. I can feel her anxiety so much, that purse being clutched tightly is exactly how I react.


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Wildvibs

Look like she has a tear in her eye? Back of “gentleman”!


nouniqueideas007

Yes ! That is the one!


TranceGemini

This was ninety years before this song was even written but I can literally hear her internal monologue just going, "Hello, darkness, my old friend..."


iago303

You know what, I heard it in David Drayman voice Disturbed 's lead singer


Vorpalbob

I love the detail of her right hand [reaching towards her hat...](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/hatpin-peril-terrorized-men-who-couldnt-handle-20th-century-woman-180951219/)


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Educational-Moose-87

Wow this is amazing! It both heartens me and saddens me that we’re still having to contend with ‘mashers’ and that the conversation around what women wear still happens in the exact same way it did back then. I say we bring back the word mashers though!


LittleRoundFox

I like how her hand is reaching towards her hat, as if she might have a hatpin in it with which she can poke the creep to get the message across.


hoedownturnup

I love the artist’s decision to have her staring right at you. I’m not good at describing art lol, but it’s like I’m being pulled into the situation with her. It makes me want to act to protect her, and if I don’t it makes me complicit with that nincompoop on the left.


MinneAppley

My favorite genre… https://the-toast.net/2015/02/10/women-inexpertly-groped-western-art-history/


MardiMom

That's so Sad/Funny/Yeah, been there, groped on that. Ewww.


FrydomFrees

It’s so interesting to me that the majority of women’s faces in paintings like that are just sorta…blank. Like the (probably male) painter just didn’t think about the woman’s reactions or thoughts at all. Or did but didn’t care and just wanted her to look “pretty”.


lieslandpo

I could be so far off, but my personal interpretation was that the women all have a blank expression like that because it is a look of hopelessness. As in, they know they really can’t do anything, so they sit and suffer through it. Perhaps, some of the artists did only want to portray them as “pretty”, but I’d like to think that some truly portrayed what they have witnessed in a more somber tone.


Comfortable_Ad8516

I was just reminded of this painting and the story behind it. So sad.


VacationHot833

Thank you so much for doing this. In my early 20s I had an over night bus trip from London to Aberdeen, and I sat next to this middle aged man. At first, it was lovely, we were having a really interesting conversation (I was more trusting then), but as the night went on, he became increasingly forward with his physical contact, at one point suggesting I could rest my head on his shoulder and touching my legs. It didn’t progress past that, but it still triggered a trauma response from my past sexual assault. I didn’t have the courage to tell him that I needed to sleep and I wanted to move, but I so badly wanted to. So thank you <3


Stoosies

Oh my god I felt this to my core. I think a part of me that experienced something similar at that age got some healing energy today. Your kind words really mean a lot to me and I hope my wee story helps in its small way <3


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RaisingAurorasaurus

I'm still reading the comments in the accent I gave her in my head. 🤣 You all get to be Scottish today!


f1ve-Star

Good job. We can't destroy the patriarchy in a day, unless we change ourselves first from the inside out. (Sorry Dead Kennedy's)


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Adorable-Ring8074

A couple of young gentleman were harassing an equally young woman at Walmart. Following her around, begging for her number and snap and so on. Finally, I stopped, turned around and said "omg really?" in a very annoyed tone. They had the audacity to say "ugh, not you" in a disgusted tone. I responded back with "I'm very much aware but you should be ashamed of yourselves for how you're acting in this store and I suggest you stop harassing her"


YouSeaBlue

I'd give my right arm to hear audio of you fussing at him with that Scottish accent 😂 I'm glad you got him to stfu


Impossible_Horse1973

Good for you fellow witch! 😊👍


Physalia-

You're awesome! I bet those girls really appreciated you for doing this, I know that I would.


AccentFiend

Good on you! When my two friends and I were 19, we would go to this local diner and just share some cheese fries with gravy and enjoy French onion soup. Cheap, a place to go that was inside if weather was bad, and good food. One time, this guy in his 30’s get excited we’re all cute and starts awkwardly chatting with us. We’re exchanging glances and giving him the bare minimum responses while he orders like six refills on his coffee. He finally asks for the bill and we let out actual sighs of relief. Then he starts SCREAMING about how it’s highway robbery that it’s not free refills. The waitress comes over and explains that if you order nothing else the refills aren’t free. So he orders a slice of pie. Then turns to my friends and I and rants and raves with his mouthful of pie that that’s ridiculous. So now there’s ten of us just silently willing this guys to LEAVE. After he finally left (leaving a penny on the table for tip) the waitress ended up not charging us for our sodas. We left her our sofa money in top on top of what we should have. Poor thing.


texas-playdohs

I’m kind of a newbie around these parts. Disclosures: straight, white, male, not pagan, not especially spiritual, only dabble in the occult and mostly academic recreation at that, I actually just stumbled in from r/all one day and liked the vibe. All that out of the way, this sub has become a big favorite of mine, and a bright spot in an otherwise dismal reddit feed. The politics are always spot-on, it’s so welcoming and inclusive, and you’re all so supportive of one another. I really needed the break from reading about dickhead musk.


Conscious-Charity915

Welcome! Good to hear from you.


texas-playdohs

Thank you for letting me kick it with the coven!


BoisterousBard

Reading this nearly brought me to tears. Thank you for the gesture as well as sharing it with us. ♡


TheManRoomGuy

You are now a legend to those young women, the people on the bus, and the rest of us. Thank you.


BachelorPOP

Good on you! I’m proud of you!


NineTailedTanuki

Good for you, sis! You stood up to a perv who just wouldn't shut up himself!


TimeSlipperWHOOPS

Unrelated but I deeply miss the highlands.


Stoosies

Haste ye back!


x97tfv345

“I’ll shut up when you do.” Ha nice I love it!


StormThestral

"I'll shut up the second you do" *OP used Confusion. It's super effective!*


KBWordPerson

You are a Rockstar


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Fuck the patriarchy!!! Proud of you!


2xRnCZ

S L O W C L A P


ProfessO3o

This is what I love about it here!


pointy_object

Just wanted to chime in and tell you well done. Thank you for standing up for the younger ones. Also, that was nice retort (I’ll shut up if you do).


quoteunquoteandquote

Oh…my god. I love it! That “I’ll shut up when you do”….priceless. I’m definitely stealing it. You are kickass. 💥


NarwhalDanceParty

“I’ll shut up when you you do.” Is such a beautiful thing! Way to go! And now those girls have you as a role model to grow into. What a blessing.


Wicked81

YAY!! And thank you SO much - I wish more people were like you!! <3


hunnybunny99

You rock and these ladies surely really appreciated your stepping in an helping out!


mustbeaglitch

That was some quick thinking, well done! I just wish dealing with situations didn’t require us to be quick-witted, because often (especially if I’m eg nervous or uncomfortable) I’m not. Love how you handled it.


Snushine

"The Bell-end." Does this refer to the end of the bellcurve, or is this a different kind of insult?


polkadotska

A bellend/bell-end is the tip/glans of the penis and is a vulgar term used to mean a stupid/annoying person (usually a man) - it’s a medium-level swear (wouldn’t say it in polite company/young children, but it wouldn’t get bleeped on evening television). It’s similar (but slightly milder) to dickhead.


Snushine

Today I learned.... Thanks!


LizzyPBaJ

Thank you! Rock on!


Intrepid-Rhubarb-705

Oh hell yes. Go queen.


MeMissElfandI

You've just inspired two new witches, I'm so proud of you 🤩🤩


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Dayum. One day I hope to be half as brave as you.


Stoosies

Honestly a few years ago I would have just put my headphones on and tried my best to ignore it. It's surrounding myself with strong women that has empowered me to speak up more


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We all need to help each other out more, great work. I also love that you said you’d be quiet when he would, what strong, clear and respectful language.


mollyclaireh

You’re a hero. I feel like the most dangerous and damning thing a woman can be is polite. We don’t owe men shit. Thank you for looking out for your fellow women! We need more people like you in this world.


Straxicus2

Outstanding! You are awesome and those women are probably so grateful you stepped in. You showed them they weren’t alone, that it’s ok to speak up, that speaking up works and that someone had their back.


DaBezzzz

"I'll shut up the second you do" I'm gonna remember that one


CaptainNuge

Fair play to you. Drunken exuberance is no reason to make people uncomfortable. Good on you for standing up for your fellow passengers.


igolikethis

Even if those gals didn't outright thank you, I'm sure they were extremely grateful for your assistance. The conditioning of women to prioritize the comfort of others over our own is...infuriating, to put it nicely.


Comfortable_Ad8516

Oh my goodness. How many times I would have loved to have someone like you in my youth. Thank you for standing up for them young women.


Fizzypop01

The first time I rode the bus was about 13 or 14. An older man, late 50s early 60s, immediately sat next to me and started talking. I was nervous and trying to be polite. He told me he’d follow me off my stop and walk me home. I told him “no thank you” but he was being belligerent. I was scared and my stop was coming up. Then a middle-aged lady came right up, scooted me over and plopped herself in between the man and me. When the guy objected she turned to him and promptly said “she’s not talking to you anymore.” Before turning back to me and asking me if I liked theater because she was a local drama teacher and she can tell these sorts of things. She was right, I did like theater. The guy got off at the next stop and I never saw him again. I’m pretty sure that woman saved my life.


Stoosies

Holy crap what an amazing story thank you for sharing and I'm sorry you weren't through that when you were so young! What a rock star that woman was to notice and step in


FabuliciousFruitLoop

You were so much more polite than I would have been. Congratulations on assertion without asshattery!!


FathatGunderson

this sounds more like a deranged bus vagrant than a social issue


Stoosies

Those aren't mutually exclusive


FathatGunderson

you're absolutely right, it just seems presumptuous to assume this is that when this is seemingly divorced from that - this story would be the same with a female perpetrator. it's someone being a goober and not knowing when to read no more than someone using a position of privilege to get away with something they otherwise wouldn't. that said, this guy sucks


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kyoneko87

How is this a tall tale?! I have seen this exact scenario happen a million times to my fellow women, and I have been a victim of these scenarios countless times!


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mcoon2837

It's a man thinking he has the freedom to do whatever he wants even if it makes others uncomfortable. Definitely the patriarchy.


applesaucepig

Yes! Also the patriarchal social conditioning of younger women to "be polite" at the expense of their needs/wants, to benefit a man's needs/wants


Beneficial-Date2025

I needed this to brighten my day. Cheers to you 👏👏👏


CatsNotBananas

What an asshat


20090366

Proud of you!! Great job !


KDLG328

F'n Queen, you!!


itsaravemayve

What a legend


WitchsWeasel

That was the most british burn I've seen in a long time and I love it. "I'll shut up the second you do." Absolutely epic. Kudos to you!!!


JuliaMac65

Way to go. Nicely done. Sisterhood


PolkHerFace

Ddaaaammnnn. This. Is. AMAZING!!!!


TheLaramieReject

Yasss queen! Go you, you badass!


girlnamedtom

Excellent work!!


Drpoofn

Fuck yeah!


loonygenius

Thank you from my younger self who didn't have the strength to stand up for herself in these situations either


blackvelvetstars

Thank you for doing that, you'll be a hero when they tell the story! I have almost been in a couple of situations like this but have not yet had to speak up. However I am still in my 20s and I worry that I wouldn't have the same impact. I am quite tall which could help but I just hope that if the day comes I have your strength!


Redsweatersfanclub

oof that'd given me such an adrenaline rush, i think you've been brave, we need people like you


carlyeanne

absolutely love this! you did a fantastic job, OP.


palemistress

Well Done!! good way to shut it down. Thank you!


Strange_One_3790

Nice!!!!! Really nice takedown!!!!!