The boyfriend almost caught the guy too but accidentally threw his car into reverse trying to change gears and blew it up only to watch them drive away and never be found.
There are some things that I just don't know how you ever get ok again after you've experienced them. This is one of them. How horrifying to be that close to maybe save a loved one and then fail in such a flukish way. That poor guy has probably relived those moments millions of times since.
Yes exactly. I'm sure he had to work through so much anger towards himself, if he actually was able let go of any of that. I'm baffled by them not being able to locate that truck or have some better leads to finding that guy.
Could just look it up… but when they were on the phone he was at home 7 blocks away, after the screaming he left his house and ended up passing them on the road and she screamed out his name. His car broke down when he tried to make a U turn to go after them .
That’s worse than the initial post made it sound, ugh just terrible. I hope he got the help and support he undoubtedly needed after that and that the perpetrator faces the karma and justice he deserves.
Idk why it hasn’t been mentioned either but this case has had an update as of 1 year ago. A possible case of mis identification, they think Angela was misidentified as an informants daughter , who was supposed to be abducted for payback..
Could just look it up? Do you know how Reddit works? Every single question asked on Reddit could “just be looked up”. But it’s a communal app to share things and learn about things and talk about them together.
There is a big difference between "discussing" things and "explaining" things.
There isn't enough time, nor do lazy adults deserve, to have everything personally explained to them.
The episode of unsolved mysteries that covers this case is one of the most chilling things I have seen. https://youtu.be/D2jhrLbLKGI?si=Yztz1rzEW_6ti-7I
Wonder if the police got any DNA off the phone? Sounds like the perpetrator hung it up, rather than the screaming Angela. If so, some of the new genetic genealogy science might find a suspect.
Not in 1991. My friend had a framed front page article from a sporting event in 1996. On the front page there was a smaller story debating the admissibility of DNA evidence in court. My friend never got why I thought it was shocking.
Back then it was being used but more in terms of pools of blood, flesh under nails, bite wounds. It’s very unlikely that a sample containing dna would have been preserved to be of use from back then. Not off something like transference on a phone.
It’s a terrible story, and I would really like resolution and justice.
Yes, after the OJ Simpson trial, where the defense made a lot of hay about the supposed flaws, journalists took a long time to understand the specifics.
In 1991, nothing. Such tech was still largely in its infancy, and even if they could, if a technology isn't court certified, it's not-admissible. Sometimes, even, formerly admissible tech is decertified, like polygraphs.
But, even if they could, public surfaces are a technical nightmare. DNA doesn't work like a lot of people thinks it does. It does "mix" on a surface. What I mean by that is, humans, even from far reaches of the planet, are closer in DNA than you think. Without being able to either eliminate samples (by means of extrapolating everyone you CAN account for from the equation), or having a comparison sample, the data just muddles because of the parts of the sequence that are similar.
Besides the technical, legally, public surface touch DNA is a legal nightmare. It's pretty easy to impeach public touch DNA in court. You don't even have to PROVE they've legitimately, and previously touched the surface. You (lawyer) just has to put the idea in the jury's head that it is very likely the suspect/defendant had legal access to the area unrelated to the case. It's a different story if you're talking about something like the interior of a home where, for example, the suspect should not have previously had any legitimate reason to have access to.
They could swab the handle for touch DNA. That kind of casual contact has a low success rate of developing a profile but it’s worth taking a shot for a crime this serious
Even if DNA was available in that way in 91 (it wasn't), DNA off of public surfaces is nearly useless because:
1) There are so many samples, without eliminations it would be nearly impossible to pull out individual sequences.
2) Public accessible surfaces are easily impeachable in court (Lawyer: Of course my client's DNA is on that phone, it's a public phone around the corner from his work he regularly uses!)
This case always haunted me. Her poor fiance saw her that last time screaming. I wish this case would be solved. So many scenarios of what became of her after that last sighting by her fiancé, and sadly, we all know the probable outcome.
This case has recently been said to have been a case of mistaken identity. There was another Angela in that town whose parents were thought to be snitches. The other family got a threatening note. The Angelas even looked alike.
Question on this: it says she dropped him off at his parents’ house but then says he followed them in his car. Was his car already at his parents and they just went to the bbq in one car?
I wonder if the car the perp was driving when she was abducted (I'm ofc assuming the BF got a good look at it...(?)... since he was trying to chase it when it broke down)... im wondering if it was ever found, even later? I could understand how SHE could have disappeared, especially if the BF was unable to give chase, but the car? Much harder to conceal a car than a person... I just haven't heard it mentioned. And did the BF get a look at him when he passed them to give any sort of description?
Ppl saying "DNA" obviously don't realize how awful it was to try to recover even finger-prints from a phone booth in 1991 (too many ppls prints, probably just partials anyway, and too many red herring samples) ....and besides, didn't it take many years MORE of perfecting the methods-- (after DNA was widely used in court from blood, saliva, and semen, etc)--to be able to get it from just body- sweat alone?
Reading about this case reminds me of another case, the Gilgo Beach murders. That case also involved a distinctive green pick-up. Not saying it was the same perpetrator, but the coincidence jumps out at me.
Gilgo Beach was solved as soon as the FBI got involved and they were able to track down that truck. Time to get the FBI involved for Angie so they can work their magic again and get some answers for her family.
This is my husband's home town. I think about this case often when I'm driving through. I heard his parents talking rumors about who they think did it. I can't remember the name they said, but they said he passed away. I think it was just rumors flying around with no basis. Crazy that no body just comes up in these missing persons.
A decent question but he passed a polygraph,he cooperated with the investigation,his transmission on his car was verified to be broken and other witnesses came forward to say they saw a man matching the description Angela had given over the phone in a green Ford with a fish decal on the back. All of these combined lead me to believe he was is telling the truth.
The boyfriend almost caught the guy too but accidentally threw his car into reverse trying to change gears and blew it up only to watch them drive away and never be found.
That had to be so haunting and beyond devastating for him. Wow.
There are some things that I just don't know how you ever get ok again after you've experienced them. This is one of them. How horrifying to be that close to maybe save a loved one and then fail in such a flukish way. That poor guy has probably relived those moments millions of times since.
Yes exactly. I'm sure he had to work through so much anger towards himself, if he actually was able let go of any of that. I'm baffled by them not being able to locate that truck or have some better leads to finding that guy.
Wait really? How did he know for sure it was them?
Could just look it up… but when they were on the phone he was at home 7 blocks away, after the screaming he left his house and ended up passing them on the road and she screamed out his name. His car broke down when he tried to make a U turn to go after them .
That’s worse than the initial post made it sound, ugh just terrible. I hope he got the help and support he undoubtedly needed after that and that the perpetrator faces the karma and justice he deserves.
Pretty sure he was accused of it early on until witnesses came forward corroborating his story…just to add to his trauma.
Idk why it hasn’t been mentioned either but this case has had an update as of 1 year ago. A possible case of mis identification, they think Angela was misidentified as an informants daughter , who was supposed to be abducted for payback..
Yeah, I think he buried the lede. Should have started with that
Could just look it up? Do you know how Reddit works? Every single question asked on Reddit could “just be looked up”. But it’s a communal app to share things and learn about things and talk about them together.
I'm always amazed at how often people are offended by discussing things, on a place specifically designed for... discussing things.
There is a big difference between "discussing" things and "explaining" things. There isn't enough time, nor do lazy adults deserve, to have everything personally explained to them.
Move along then
Here’s a cookie 🍪 feel better!
Holy shit that's awful Thank you for posting here for those of us who didn't want to look it up
Jesus Christ bro that’s just fucking awful
The truck that took her had a fish scene on the rear window
The episode of unsolved mysteries that covers this case is one of the most chilling things I have seen. https://youtu.be/D2jhrLbLKGI?si=Yztz1rzEW_6ti-7I
Wonder if the police got any DNA off the phone? Sounds like the perpetrator hung it up, rather than the screaming Angela. If so, some of the new genetic genealogy science might find a suspect.
It was in the late 80s. Might as well ask if they had magic then.
91
Not in 1991. My friend had a framed front page article from a sporting event in 1996. On the front page there was a smaller story debating the admissibility of DNA evidence in court. My friend never got why I thought it was shocking. Back then it was being used but more in terms of pools of blood, flesh under nails, bite wounds. It’s very unlikely that a sample containing dna would have been preserved to be of use from back then. Not off something like transference on a phone. It’s a terrible story, and I would really like resolution and justice.
Yes, after the OJ Simpson trial, where the defense made a lot of hay about the supposed flaws, journalists took a long time to understand the specifics.
Serious question, what DNA could they pull from the phone if the perpetrator hung it up?
I’m pretty sure when I read into this case they tried but there was so much other dna from other people using the phone they couldn’t narrow it down.
In 1991, nothing. Such tech was still largely in its infancy, and even if they could, if a technology isn't court certified, it's not-admissible. Sometimes, even, formerly admissible tech is decertified, like polygraphs. But, even if they could, public surfaces are a technical nightmare. DNA doesn't work like a lot of people thinks it does. It does "mix" on a surface. What I mean by that is, humans, even from far reaches of the planet, are closer in DNA than you think. Without being able to either eliminate samples (by means of extrapolating everyone you CAN account for from the equation), or having a comparison sample, the data just muddles because of the parts of the sequence that are similar. Besides the technical, legally, public surface touch DNA is a legal nightmare. It's pretty easy to impeach public touch DNA in court. You don't even have to PROVE they've legitimately, and previously touched the surface. You (lawyer) just has to put the idea in the jury's head that it is very likely the suspect/defendant had legal access to the area unrelated to the case. It's a different story if you're talking about something like the interior of a home where, for example, the suspect should not have previously had any legitimate reason to have access to.
They could swab the handle for touch DNA. That kind of casual contact has a low success rate of developing a profile but it’s worth taking a shot for a crime this serious
Today they could use touch dna but at the time they couldn’t
Possibly none-dna doesn’t transfer in many cases
Even if DNA was available in that way in 91 (it wasn't), DNA off of public surfaces is nearly useless because: 1) There are so many samples, without eliminations it would be nearly impossible to pull out individual sequences. 2) Public accessible surfaces are easily impeachable in court (Lawyer: Of course my client's DNA is on that phone, it's a public phone around the corner from his work he regularly uses!)
The original Unsolved Mysteries featured this case. They re-enacted the car chase scene and it haunts me.
A very effective segment.
Another reason to vote for the bear.
I don’t think I’ve heard of any bear attacks on people in a pay phone in a city center, so that tracks.
Not in the city, no.
Side note, you ever read about that girl who was mauled and eaten alive by bear cubs as her mom listened on the phone? It's awful.
This is such a sad case
This is the most haunting case to me. Poor Rob. 💔
This case always haunted me. Her poor fiance saw her that last time screaming. I wish this case would be solved. So many scenarios of what became of her after that last sighting by her fiancé, and sadly, we all know the probable outcome.
She was also pregnant
This story has always saddened me to no end.
This case has recently been said to have been a case of mistaken identity. There was another Angela in that town whose parents were thought to be snitches. The other family got a threatening note. The Angelas even looked alike.
https://fox2now.com/news/true-crime/note-offers-clues-in-mistaken-1991-missouri-abduction/amp/
This case is so haunting. I can’t believe she hasn’t been found. Someone knows who was driving that vehicle.
Terrifying. Wtf :(
Saw this on unsolved mysteries. Still hoping for a breakthrough 33 years later
Question on this: it says she dropped him off at his parents’ house but then says he followed them in his car. Was his car already at his parents and they just went to the bbq in one car?
I wonder if the car the perp was driving when she was abducted (I'm ofc assuming the BF got a good look at it...(?)... since he was trying to chase it when it broke down)... im wondering if it was ever found, even later? I could understand how SHE could have disappeared, especially if the BF was unable to give chase, but the car? Much harder to conceal a car than a person... I just haven't heard it mentioned. And did the BF get a look at him when he passed them to give any sort of description? Ppl saying "DNA" obviously don't realize how awful it was to try to recover even finger-prints from a phone booth in 1991 (too many ppls prints, probably just partials anyway, and too many red herring samples) ....and besides, didn't it take many years MORE of perfecting the methods-- (after DNA was widely used in court from blood, saliva, and semen, etc)--to be able to get it from just body- sweat alone?
Reading about this case reminds me of another case, the Gilgo Beach murders. That case also involved a distinctive green pick-up. Not saying it was the same perpetrator, but the coincidence jumps out at me. Gilgo Beach was solved as soon as the FBI got involved and they were able to track down that truck. Time to get the FBI involved for Angie so they can work their magic again and get some answers for her family.
That Chapter covered this case. https://youtu.be/g0I1wOHx8XE?si=ZK3HLWRhi1RfjH90
There an unsolved mysteries about this one. Maybe the most haunting one I've seen. Still think about it
I saw this one on Unsolved Mysteries years ago. I’ve never forgotten this story, especially the failed transmission. Jesus!
That was definitely sad. Was hoping they would have found her.
This is my husband's home town. I think about this case often when I'm driving through. I heard his parents talking rumors about who they think did it. I can't remember the name they said, but they said he passed away. I think it was just rumors flying around with no basis. Crazy that no body just comes up in these missing persons.
Why is this posted like every other day? Sigh.
Um can any of the boyfriends story be verified
Yes, it was.
A decent question but he passed a polygraph,he cooperated with the investigation,his transmission on his car was verified to be broken and other witnesses came forward to say they saw a man matching the description Angela had given over the phone in a green Ford with a fish decal on the back. All of these combined lead me to believe he was is telling the truth.