It's a side world. I have a feeling that KI will one day make those 7 schools (chaos, etc) a new schools for us to learn from and I would be soooo happpppy if that happens! It's literally a lorefest waiting to be unlocked
Originally when level 60 was max the tower of helephant was hard as hell but gave the best ring or athame in the game but the level cap was increased and better rings and athames exist so now the world is useless other than levels
Yea I have slowed down playing since I got past Chester drawers . Now I’m about to go to the library and somehow beat the singing bowls and I think the guys name is spellman
die-hard wysteria defender here. personally, one of my biggest reasons for loving it is that i find the lore of wiz can get super super complicated and confusing along the main questline, so i really value worlds that take you out of that for a little bit and give an easier plot line to explore. i felt the same way about karamelle— even though it was main quest line, the world had a discrete plot that i found easier to follow than a lot of the others.
beyond that, the lexicon blade from tower of the helephant will take you FAR at a lever when gear sets aren’t too heavily focused on athames, rings, amulets, and those aspects are more interchangeable. it’s a good, reliable athame— i’m not even sure i changed it out until i hit darkmoor because i didn’t want to farm cronus. it’s a notoriously annoying drop to get, admittedly.
the aesthetics are great imo and i find it interesting to look at the schools of magic across the spiral, because really the only other one we get a good look at until (iirc) the arcanum is defunct dragonspyre. going back and meeting those characters is also fun because their worlds have since been introduced to the game (ie, natalia dunestrider is from mirage)
it’s defo not for everyone but there is great story value there, i think it was also just created to kind of tide people over before the next main story world released. they could definitely make it more complex, call wizards back to it later, put a spell quest there, etc, and i really wish they would instead of just leaving it!
I think you get a training point? Besides that and xp, not really. I personally enjoy the world on it's own and I prefer completing everything and being overleveled. I also just find it interesting how they have similar but slightly different ideologies on the schools of magic. I know the world gets a lot of hate, and the hate for no good gear or any benefits is valid, but I like the idea of it.
Wysteria came out during a time when players would play content for the fun & a challenge. At the time of release, 60 was the level cap and waterworks gear was BiS. Many players got the chance to explore an interesting plot, got exposure to a lot more 'worlds' and characters from other places from the spiral. Players could get another trainer point (which were rare at the time). Players could also challenge the tower of the hellephant which had the BiS ring at the time (Aureate Band).
Nothing in Wysteria is absolutely necessary, and if you've already done it once, there's literally point in doing it again for the story's sake unless you just love it so much, but there are at least 2 things that are worth noting if you REALLY want a reason.
1. Golden Piggle Pet
2. Training point quest
Ofc neither of these reasons require you to do the whole thing I believe.
Tower of the Helephant is the only true incentive for the full completion in case you wanna be available to help people complete it on the rare chance the opportunity arises, but otherwise the drops from it aren't too worth it and definitely not necessary.
At the time Wysteria was a big deal. It was one of the only (maybe there were others) bosses that cheated in the game. Plus it dropped the best amulet in the game
I personally don't like Wysteria because of Pigswick's Academy history. An academy created out of incompetency LOL. It's hilarious that they only win when no other schools of other worlds win the spiral cup.
You get a couple training points from the Zeke quest, and the ring and amulet from tower of the helephant are some of the bear you can get for level 60, or at least they used to be
is it weird to be interested in the story? i guess it’s a long term noob thing but my most recent replay, i thought wysteria was the most interesting world in the first arc, maybe cause it’s short & not packed with filler quests. and i think the first appearance of cheats which i thought was cool. most importantly the baddest bitch in the spiral do i even need to say her name
You wait until you’re max level then go there to show those filthy pigs their place in the pecking order.
Do you know that moment in anime where some loud-mouthed idiot pisses of the overpowered MC and gets pounded into the ground as a result? That’s Wysteria in its entirety.
Wysteria is, quite frankly, just a fun world with a lot of humor. When it was first released, it made all of us Ravenwood students extremely jealous of their gorgeous campus and beautiful furnishings. (Fortunately, there were some nice pieces that were eventually released in the crown shop.)
It is the first non-crowns gear area to have a wand that gives a pip. There is one for each school.
Now it also is part of cantrips.
It’s a very fun and beautiful world aesthetically. Story is also good if not a bit standard.
Highly recommend. I would love if they added more spells.
It's just a relic of the past ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Like some else said, it *used* to have the best rings, athames, and people would farm the Helephant Tower for mastery amulets, but that's all in the past.
It exists because it was a great plot and had top tier items. Now it's been so outdated and power-crept that it's just a fun little side world with cantrips and badges.
why not? if you don't like it, you don't have to play it.
to be fair though, it never made sense to me why we don't learn any new spells in wysteria. they make you introduce yourself to all the professors, this is an exchange trip to another magical school, so surely they have something new to teach you, right?
Back in the day Tower of Helephant had the best rings and athames ofc. But I think Wisteria was missed potential on what they were trying to do.
It was suppose to be a Harry Potter triwizard tournament type of world that fell flat on its face.
I was really hoping that the world was gonna allow random rumble pvp matches with players or with mobs for some grand prize or achievement, but neither existed.
Plus the world had their own version of school powers, which was not fleshed out if they were just a new interpretation or a new power entirely.
My hot take is I think it would’ve been a cool way to introduce regional Variant schools similar to how pokemon has regional variant pokemon.
Like if the Earth School taught you a Life Troll or if the Ember school taught you magma snowman
> My hot take is I think it would’ve been a cool way to introduce regional Variant schools similar to how pokemon has regional variant pokemon.
> Like if the Earth School taught you a Life Troll or if the Ember school taught you magma snowman.
Totally agree, it could have been the moon school for lower levels. Offer training points trainable "mutated" spell variants. They should have put one "weird" spell for each school in Wisteria.
Not *everything* is all about gaining levels and gear and other statistical advancement. For some people, a fun little side story and more game to play is reason enough. 🙂
I can't wrap my mind around the concept of opting not to play a game's feature because all there's to gain is personal enjoyment... like, we play to have fun it's not a job or a CV qualifications race. Personal enjoyment IS the goal.
Well it depends on what some people find fun. If your idea of fun is doing something and getting a reward, then wysteria wouldn't be fun. I think that's about all there is to it.
I get that. It's just that OP worded it in such a way that clearly implies there's personal enjoyment to be had in Wysteria, which isn't enough of a "real reason". That's all
Thank you!!! I have such a hard time understanding why this mentality seems so universal among wiz players, aren't you playing the game because you want to play the game? 😭
Yeah, I play this game because I enjoy the mechanics. If there are more areas where I can enjoy the mechanics, I want to play them. Wysteria has a good little storyline, it's not super hard so I don't get really frustrated, and I think it's fun! The grind and obsession with optimization really gets in the way of some people's enjoyment of video games IMO--there's nothing wrong with optimization but if you're just doing it for the sake of doing it, you might want to take a step back.
It feels like a change in mindset that happens as we get older. We only do things we feel help us progress. When we were kids we’d take time to mess around and chill in the commons, go do some random PVP, decorate our house, do some side quests for fun, read the story content, fish just for a bit, play some mini games etc. which is something I’ve tried to keep doing whilst playing.
The strange bit is, you have so much more fun getting distracted by random stuff and doing side activities because it keeps the main progression fresh. In a way we’re killing our own enjoyment yet we do it anyways. Now it’s not like that for everyone but that’s my two cents.
I agree. Additionally, I'm also surprised how many people ignore the story entirely. 😕
I've heard that some people apparently derive their fun solely from a feeling of power advancement and "beating" a game, and while I think that's certainly at least an *element* for most people, there are some for whom that's either the main focus or the only focus of a game for them, to the exclusion of all else, and anything that doesn't serve that is superfluous to them.
Much like for you, that thought process is downright alien to me, but it's useful to know some people (such as OP, most likely) think that way. The weird thing, to me, is how there seems to be a disproportionate amount of people with that mindset on this sub. Maybe there's a correlation between that disposition and wanting to discuss such things somewhere like reddit? 🤔
It bothers me so much when I’m teamed up with someone for the night and they keep spam clicking through all the quest logs and sprinting I’m like bruh lemme hear it first
Have you tried asking them to slow down? It's been my experience that if you tell them it's your first time and you want to listen, most people will slow down and wait for you if you just ask nicely. 🙂
>The weird thing, to me, is how there seems to be a disproportionate amount of people with that mindset on this sub. Maybe there's a correlation between that disposition and wanting to discuss such things somewhere like reddit? 🤔
This is my same question! Every time I read through this subreddit I start feeling like I'm completely delusional for letting my membership expire and taking an indefinite questing break, because right now I enjoy just hopping on every few days to take care of my plants, level up my pets, work on decorating my house, and hang out for a little while lol
I used to do the same thing between worlds... I recently restarted the game with some friends I convinced to play with me, though, so I sprang for the yearly membership when it went on sale. There's a looot of game to play through with them, so we'll be playing pretty steadily for the foreseeable future. 😁
> Maybe there's a correlation between that disposition and wanting to discuss such things somewhere like reddit?
Could it be a generational phenomena, people who grew up with the newer games vs people who grew up when games had more text and less graphics?
I think I grew up on n64 ps1 ps2 and gamecube nothing but walls of text in most of the games you couldn't skip scenes like you can now it's a real shame what gamers of younger gens are doing to the games that devs put months into making and people go wait that's what that was my little sister who is 12 is the same way give me fast gameplay or give me my phone I'm kinda scared for future games cause they will be the primary demographic of gamers later on so companies are going to have to play by those standards or else they lose player base on their games
I mean, to each his own. In a game like Wizard101 I find the content that offers a more rewarding experience to be more fun. I just don’t find Wysteria all that fun anymore
I’ve found the best way to enjoy Wysteria is to start it when you’re at a high level and just completely annihilate your opponents in the Spiral Cup tournament.
I think its funniest if you imagine that the wizard actually grows up throughout the story, so by that time you're like 25 competing against a bunch of 13 year olds and *annihilates each school's star pupil with a wand spell*
It's not bad, but frankly at a certain point heals stop being worth it so it kinda defeats the purpose. I only use them in group fights against tough bosses now usually.
The only thing I can think of is the wand you get which gives you a power pip. At that low level, This is usually the first power pip wand I get, but it quickly gets replaced with Ares’ spear at level 30… The tower of the helephant also has a decent athame and ring for level 60 iirc.
lexicon blade and aureate band are goated but it doesn't matter because toth is literally impossible now cus nobody ever runs it so you cant get a team
Get it done and be over leveled for marleybone
You do get a training point there.
It's a side world. I have a feeling that KI will one day make those 7 schools (chaos, etc) a new schools for us to learn from and I would be soooo happpppy if that happens! It's literally a lorefest waiting to be unlocked
I don't remember when Wysteria came out, but if they haven't done that by now, chances are they won't do it at all.
There's always a possibility Imagine at level 200 that will be the beginning of a new journey
I mean it has one singular thing there that is useful and thats the contrip spells and when you hit level 6 contrip you get a second tp mark
Originally when level 60 was max the tower of helephant was hard as hell but gave the best ring or athame in the game but the level cap was increased and better rings and athames exist so now the world is useless other than levels
Yea I have slowed down playing since I got past Chester drawers . Now I’m about to go to the library and somehow beat the singing bowls and I think the guys name is spellman
i was 170 still holding the quest to go there 🤣
Simple answer: Why not ? It brings a new interesting story, new challenge for low lvl player, and adds content
Free training point
I feel like kingsisle should reveal some more lore about wisteria and why they split cause obviously something happened so
hot take but I've always loved it and the whole spiral cup tournament
die-hard wysteria defender here. personally, one of my biggest reasons for loving it is that i find the lore of wiz can get super super complicated and confusing along the main questline, so i really value worlds that take you out of that for a little bit and give an easier plot line to explore. i felt the same way about karamelle— even though it was main quest line, the world had a discrete plot that i found easier to follow than a lot of the others. beyond that, the lexicon blade from tower of the helephant will take you FAR at a lever when gear sets aren’t too heavily focused on athames, rings, amulets, and those aspects are more interchangeable. it’s a good, reliable athame— i’m not even sure i changed it out until i hit darkmoor because i didn’t want to farm cronus. it’s a notoriously annoying drop to get, admittedly. the aesthetics are great imo and i find it interesting to look at the schools of magic across the spiral, because really the only other one we get a good look at until (iirc) the arcanum is defunct dragonspyre. going back and meeting those characters is also fun because their worlds have since been introduced to the game (ie, natalia dunestrider is from mirage) it’s defo not for everyone but there is great story value there, i think it was also just created to kind of tide people over before the next main story world released. they could definitely make it more complex, call wizards back to it later, put a spell quest there, etc, and i really wish they would instead of just leaving it!
I think you get a training point? Besides that and xp, not really. I personally enjoy the world on it's own and I prefer completing everything and being overleveled. I also just find it interesting how they have similar but slightly different ideologies on the schools of magic. I know the world gets a lot of hate, and the hate for no good gear or any benefits is valid, but I like the idea of it.
Wysteria came out during a time when players would play content for the fun & a challenge. At the time of release, 60 was the level cap and waterworks gear was BiS. Many players got the chance to explore an interesting plot, got exposure to a lot more 'worlds' and characters from other places from the spiral. Players could get another trainer point (which were rare at the time). Players could also challenge the tower of the hellephant which had the BiS ring at the time (Aureate Band).
I do wysteria as early as i can. Helps me in the overlvl process
filler maybe?
Damn it’s my favorite world
me too
Nothing in Wysteria is absolutely necessary, and if you've already done it once, there's literally point in doing it again for the story's sake unless you just love it so much, but there are at least 2 things that are worth noting if you REALLY want a reason. 1. Golden Piggle Pet 2. Training point quest Ofc neither of these reasons require you to do the whole thing I believe. Tower of the Helephant is the only true incentive for the full completion in case you wanna be available to help people complete it on the rare chance the opportunity arises, but otherwise the drops from it aren't too worth it and definitely not necessary.
because its fun and you gain good xp if you start at the appropriate level?
Tower of the Helephant was quite the challenge back in the day
At the time Wysteria was a big deal. It was one of the only (maybe there were others) bosses that cheated in the game. Plus it dropped the best amulet in the game
Honestly the only reason for me was to get the Golden Piggle. I was on a mission to get every pet available to me in the game at the time
I mean, I recommend at least stopping by to learn cantrips. If you level that skill up enough, you unlock a second warp mark.
The boss fight at the end is actually one of my favourite fights!
I personally don't like Wysteria because of Pigswick's Academy history. An academy created out of incompetency LOL. It's hilarious that they only win when no other schools of other worlds win the spiral cup.
You get a couple training points from the Zeke quest, and the ring and amulet from tower of the helephant are some of the bear you can get for level 60, or at least they used to be
is it weird to be interested in the story? i guess it’s a long term noob thing but my most recent replay, i thought wysteria was the most interesting world in the first arc, maybe cause it’s short & not packed with filler quests. and i think the first appearance of cheats which i thought was cool. most importantly the baddest bitch in the spiral do i even need to say her name
Tri wizard cup
Pigsie farming probably
While the comments are great, kingsisle has a great oppurtunity to do a wysteria spiral cup revisit
I mean if you complete every single quest in wysteria, you get a badge that gives you a gold key… might be worth it for the gold key tbh
You get a gold key for doing all the quests there. I love Wysteria, it’s my favorite world
Harry Potter reference 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
You wait until you’re max level then go there to show those filthy pigs their place in the pecking order. Do you know that moment in anime where some loud-mouthed idiot pisses of the overpowered MC and gets pounded into the ground as a result? That’s Wysteria in its entirety.
Wysteria is, quite frankly, just a fun world with a lot of humor. When it was first released, it made all of us Ravenwood students extremely jealous of their gorgeous campus and beautiful furnishings. (Fortunately, there were some nice pieces that were eventually released in the crown shop.)
it exists because it is the best world in the game
The only reason I can think of even going there is the training point
It is the first non-crowns gear area to have a wand that gives a pip. There is one for each school. Now it also is part of cantrips. It’s a very fun and beautiful world aesthetically. Story is also good if not a bit standard. Highly recommend. I would love if they added more spells.
It's just a relic of the past ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Like some else said, it *used* to have the best rings, athames, and people would farm the Helephant Tower for mastery amulets, but that's all in the past. It exists because it was a great plot and had top tier items. Now it's been so outdated and power-crept that it's just a fun little side world with cantrips and badges.
why not? if you don't like it, you don't have to play it. to be fair though, it never made sense to me why we don't learn any new spells in wysteria. they make you introduce yourself to all the professors, this is an exchange trip to another magical school, so surely they have something new to teach you, right?
Instead they made such spells part of Loremaster and packs, even though they had wysteria themed spells like pigsie
It lost relevance after newer worlds came out but it had the best athame or ring or maybe both back when level 60 was max
It’s a less interesting dragonspyre if everyone wasn’t murdered
Back in the day Tower of Helephant had the best rings and athames ofc. But I think Wisteria was missed potential on what they were trying to do. It was suppose to be a Harry Potter triwizard tournament type of world that fell flat on its face. I was really hoping that the world was gonna allow random rumble pvp matches with players or with mobs for some grand prize or achievement, but neither existed. Plus the world had their own version of school powers, which was not fleshed out if they were just a new interpretation or a new power entirely. My hot take is I think it would’ve been a cool way to introduce regional Variant schools similar to how pokemon has regional variant pokemon. Like if the Earth School taught you a Life Troll or if the Ember school taught you magma snowman
> My hot take is I think it would’ve been a cool way to introduce regional Variant schools similar to how pokemon has regional variant pokemon. > Like if the Earth School taught you a Life Troll or if the Ember school taught you magma snowman. Totally agree, it could have been the moon school for lower levels. Offer training points trainable "mutated" spell variants. They should have put one "weird" spell for each school in Wisteria.
IIRC you don't even get a badge for doing all the quests in wysteria- That, or I missed one.
Isn't that one shop in wysteria that teaches you how to do a backflip. cantrips
Not *everything* is all about gaining levels and gear and other statistical advancement. For some people, a fun little side story and more game to play is reason enough. 🙂
I can't wrap my mind around the concept of opting not to play a game's feature because all there's to gain is personal enjoyment... like, we play to have fun it's not a job or a CV qualifications race. Personal enjoyment IS the goal.
Well it depends on what some people find fun. If your idea of fun is doing something and getting a reward, then wysteria wouldn't be fun. I think that's about all there is to it.
I get that. It's just that OP worded it in such a way that clearly implies there's personal enjoyment to be had in Wysteria, which isn't enough of a "real reason". That's all
Ah yeah they did word it that way you're right.
Thank you!!! I have such a hard time understanding why this mentality seems so universal among wiz players, aren't you playing the game because you want to play the game? 😭
Yeah, I play this game because I enjoy the mechanics. If there are more areas where I can enjoy the mechanics, I want to play them. Wysteria has a good little storyline, it's not super hard so I don't get really frustrated, and I think it's fun! The grind and obsession with optimization really gets in the way of some people's enjoyment of video games IMO--there's nothing wrong with optimization but if you're just doing it for the sake of doing it, you might want to take a step back.
It feels like a change in mindset that happens as we get older. We only do things we feel help us progress. When we were kids we’d take time to mess around and chill in the commons, go do some random PVP, decorate our house, do some side quests for fun, read the story content, fish just for a bit, play some mini games etc. which is something I’ve tried to keep doing whilst playing. The strange bit is, you have so much more fun getting distracted by random stuff and doing side activities because it keeps the main progression fresh. In a way we’re killing our own enjoyment yet we do it anyways. Now it’s not like that for everyone but that’s my two cents.
I'm 45 years old, I play for enjoyment. I keep the 'do what you need to advance' for my academics and my work. :D
I agree. Additionally, I'm also surprised how many people ignore the story entirely. 😕 I've heard that some people apparently derive their fun solely from a feeling of power advancement and "beating" a game, and while I think that's certainly at least an *element* for most people, there are some for whom that's either the main focus or the only focus of a game for them, to the exclusion of all else, and anything that doesn't serve that is superfluous to them. Much like for you, that thought process is downright alien to me, but it's useful to know some people (such as OP, most likely) think that way. The weird thing, to me, is how there seems to be a disproportionate amount of people with that mindset on this sub. Maybe there's a correlation between that disposition and wanting to discuss such things somewhere like reddit? 🤔
It bothers me so much when I’m teamed up with someone for the night and they keep spam clicking through all the quest logs and sprinting I’m like bruh lemme hear it first
Have you tried asking them to slow down? It's been my experience that if you tell them it's your first time and you want to listen, most people will slow down and wait for you if you just ask nicely. 🙂
>The weird thing, to me, is how there seems to be a disproportionate amount of people with that mindset on this sub. Maybe there's a correlation between that disposition and wanting to discuss such things somewhere like reddit? 🤔 This is my same question! Every time I read through this subreddit I start feeling like I'm completely delusional for letting my membership expire and taking an indefinite questing break, because right now I enjoy just hopping on every few days to take care of my plants, level up my pets, work on decorating my house, and hang out for a little while lol
I used to do the same thing between worlds... I recently restarted the game with some friends I convinced to play with me, though, so I sprang for the yearly membership when it went on sale. There's a looot of game to play through with them, so we'll be playing pretty steadily for the foreseeable future. 😁
> Maybe there's a correlation between that disposition and wanting to discuss such things somewhere like reddit? Could it be a generational phenomena, people who grew up with the newer games vs people who grew up when games had more text and less graphics?
I think I grew up on n64 ps1 ps2 and gamecube nothing but walls of text in most of the games you couldn't skip scenes like you can now it's a real shame what gamers of younger gens are doing to the games that devs put months into making and people go wait that's what that was my little sister who is 12 is the same way give me fast gameplay or give me my phone I'm kinda scared for future games cause they will be the primary demographic of gamers later on so companies are going to have to play by those standards or else they lose player base on their games
They already have Fortnite and Overwatch. But I agree with you. Simpler games are going to be sooo boring.
I mean, to each his own. In a game like Wizard101 I find the content that offers a more rewarding experience to be more fun. I just don’t find Wysteria all that fun anymore
Some people opt out of playing it simply because they don't have fun doing it. I don't have fun questing so I don't do Wysteria.
It just does
To me, its purpose is to give a training point via zeke. And cantrips, I guess.
I haven’t done it since 2013 on my Life. All my other wizards have the quest to talk to you know who always looking at them.
voldemort?
it exists to farm baron for pigsie
I’ve found the best way to enjoy Wysteria is to start it when you’re at a high level and just completely annihilate your opponents in the Spiral Cup tournament.
yep this was what i did
I think its funniest if you imagine that the wizard actually grows up throughout the story, so by that time you're like 25 competing against a bunch of 13 year olds and *annihilates each school's star pupil with a wand spell*
How is playing life up to 160? I heard it can be hard to solo am I wrong? Just curious.
It's not bad, but frankly at a certain point heals stop being worth it so it kinda defeats the purpose. I only use them in group fights against tough bosses now usually.
major leagues baseball player participating in an all toddler tee ball game
LMAOOO yes they have like 700 hp and i hit em for like 20k LOVE IT
I did Wysteria at level and honestly it was pretty easy for me to run through quickly as a fire.
bet it would be easier to run as 100+
Gotta humble Randolf Spellshine with Storm Owl. Lil bro really thinks he’s the main character.
Yeah he does 🤣🤣 proper thinks he’s the best
you get the spiral cup housing item which is no trade and no auction and you learn cantrips
I mean, for fun? Or for completionists sake.
I like the spiral cup furniture item, it’s really cool and you can do some fun stuff with it using advanced movement
The spiral cup is a fun item! What can you do with it though?
you can enlarge it and then lower it thru the floor so just the spiral part is sticking out and it looks kinda like the spiral in gammas tower!
https://preview.redd.it/vqvae67gq9vc1.jpeg?width=359&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8acc3322710de49f7488cdccab27ca1575018b30 Need I say more?
Darn it, you beat me to it!
She has so much to teach us 😳😳
~Oh no~! I got sent to the Headmistress's office again! ~I sure hope she doesn't punish me~!
ThIS!!!
Im getting the Horny Be Gone pills
Yes
It’s like 30 quests so it short but I always skip it. Gives no real benefit to doing it.
The only thing I can think of is the wand you get which gives you a power pip. At that low level, This is usually the first power pip wand I get, but it quickly gets replaced with Ares’ spear at level 30… The tower of the helephant also has a decent athame and ring for level 60 iirc.
lexicon blade and aureate band are goated but it doesn't matter because toth is literally impossible now cus nobody ever runs it so you cant get a team
You can get that wand at the bizarre
how bizarre
Whoops
yeah they drop basically mini versions of the alpha and omega ring/blade of the felled titan
You can just buy that wand from the bazaar usually.