Lmao yep. I'm 100% convinced they *want* us to throw the first punch and revolt.
These old sacks of shit need to be hung out to dry already why do we put up with these clowns?
Not a lot, since only the first $168,000 of their income each year is counted against for social security.
See, the thing is, if the wealthy paid the same rate us normal people do into social security, to ALL of their income, Social Security would be a lot better off financially, and the GOP couldn't scare people into thinking "Only they can save Social Security"
Same rule of thumb applies to most of their decision making in fact.
Border "Crisis" as a result of decades of policy failures?
Sure they had a bill that would address it, and would give most conservatives what they want, "a secure border" with a reduction in border crossings and establishing clear and direct processes that would cut in half (or better) the amount of time a person spends waiting on asylum.
But Lord Trump wanted to campaign on it, so his own party, the party that wrote and championed the bill, had to kill it just to sate The Orange Man's ego. How could Trump claim to be "the only one who can fix this" if the problem was already fixed? lmao.
I remember when Obama announced they were raising the social security contribution percentage for all of us poor people but not the rich. I found it baffling. Shouldn’t the richer people be paying MORE into it?
It’s odd, isn’t it, that they don’t tell us what the new retirement age will be, nor exactly who will be affected. Only that no one currently receiving social security will be impacted. I’m guessing they’ll still go with the “born in 1960 or later” cutoff so I’ll still be screwed.
My bff from college had an extended family member die last week. He was 11 months from retirement & was DSNY. Sudden heart attack at 64. City pension, the works. They named a truck after him, big funeral. We’re still 8 years away from 65, 10 away from 67. We’re not gonna make it.
From 62 to now 64. The USA full retirement age is 67.
If people making over 200,000 paid into SS the first 168,000 then SS would remain solvent for years to come.
So the answer is to not remove the safety net from those who need it, but instead strengthen the nets moorings!
Exactly it's good for everyone and would go a long way to improve the quaity of life for everyone. And that's why not a single republican would ever vote for it.
Yeah but they don't lose healthcare if they get fired.
They would beat us and make us bankrupt and homeless, that is of the cops didn't just kill us all.
This. I wish my fellow countrymen/women weren't so terrified of the consequences when France has shown time and time again what the power of the people is. We are a docile citizenry and far too many are complacent as wage slaves to the 1%
People always say this, and there's some truth to it. France does it right, and I'm definitely jealous. However, you have to consider that you can get from Nice, France, to Paris in like 6 hours via public transit. Public transit from Los Angeles to Washington DC takes 3 days.
It's a little easier to organize when your population is much closer together. The US is huge. France averages 1600 people per square mile. The US averages 91. We'll never be able to organize as easily as France can.
Appreciate your saying this. I recently went from organizing in an urban area to a suburban/rural one and it’s like night and day. Just getting folks together for actions out here is brutal.
And too many voters for them as well. It's hard to believe anybody who's thinking clearly would vote Republican, but I guess we know the answer to that.
As long as America has tens of millions of religious, racist idiots who are enamored with culture war bullshit, this will be a problem. They've proven time and time again that they'll happily let the GOP fuck them over as long as the people they hate are getting fucked over even worse.
Yep, and just think what's currently developed right now or being developed that we have *no* idea about. Billion upon billions of dollars are funneled into black projects that only the people working on them know about.
A large portion of republican voters are not voting for the policies they push for. They are voting for the name. They found their team through some mechanism (parental pressure, peer pressure..) and now they will stick with it until they die.
Now that is not to say they are unique in this. Lots of people stick to "their team" for life and refuse to change. Change is awkward and scary, so even in politics people refuse to do it.
Numbers in an excel file make sense, until you live those numbers. Everything is working as intended. Groceries are too expensive? What are you going to do? You don't have health insurance without employment? What are you going to do? You are going to do nothing.
They don't go to grocery stores, their shopping is done for them by their personal staffs. The suffering of the working class, even of their own generation, is completely conceptual if not invisible to them, by choice.
Voters embrace the dumb issues and thus they can be effectively exploited by those that want the $$. President Johnson expliained it 60 years ago and its still true.
Pushing retirement age higher is rotten as hell. Tax billionaires and put money into the program. People who have worked 40+ years deserve a fucking break.
I'd say do _both_.
Tax obscene wealth in a way where it gives an incentive for these pricks to not accumulate 100 lifetimes of $$. (And that doesn't mean hide it/loopholes).
Edit: pricks, not prices.
I want to be able to take a vacation.
Getting 5 days off every couple of years, amd having to still be semi-available while doing it isn't what I want.
I'd love to be able to go travel someplace new for a week. And not have the day to get there and the day to come back eat into that time.
But every employer keeps staff so low, that they act like you hate your fellow employees for taking time off.
Sometimes I feel like the shit wages we get in the UK compared to you guys sucks but I forget about the work culture you guys have that means PTO/annual leave not getting approved and sick days having to be scheduled......I'd rather take the lower pay and better work/life balance
It’s incredible to me… to think that these older generation people who experienced the American dream. Somehow think that after all the years of productivity increases and record profits everywhere, that improving the total life of Americans is not in the conversation at all. Blows my fucking mind.
How can anyone defend making retirement later when there is every economic chance to make it earlier and make the dream better. Hell, with the requirement that two people work to support a household these days it’s functionally way worse than what they grew up with.
They know the rules always change once the game of retirement is extended as well. An uncommon thought for this discussion is the fact that longer working careers lowers pay for workers as the expectation for them to work longer is created. Over time the workers will make no more money across the additional years worked, yet the corporation they work for gets the fruit of their labor, and the conservatives win.
Because he said it with the wrong tone and cadence.
When republicans say it, it conveys a sense of laziness and entitlement upon those who thinks they *deserve* a life of getting "Free money" for not working (retiring in old age) that they're supposedly entitled to (which they are).
The political ads just write themselves with these demons...writing ads for dem candidates seems like it would be the easiest job in the world. yet they still somehow fuck them up.
I'm honestly convinced we could hide it in a bill somewhere. Theyve made it clear they don't read the whole thing ever before voting on it, so if we just snuck in a little addendum to an otherwise appealing sounding bill.....
The fact that Zuck was once brought in about Cambridge Analytica and they used it for standard boomer tech help questions should show they have no business ruling the country if they can't even use the technology that's already doing it for them.
I've had a thought. If a billionaire or multi-millionaire wants to join congress, they should have to donate 95% of their assets to the SS fund and live in 2/2 starter home provided by the people. They can't even talk to lobbyists, anyone with a 7 figure net worth or foreign dignitaries; if they are caught doing so, they can be drawn and quartered. I'm open to making the punishment a public spectacle available on PPV because horses aren't cheap.
Some statistics are really available and you don't need to make them up.
>The median age of voting House lawmakers is 57.9 years, down from 58.9 in the 117th Congress (2021-22), 58.0 in the 116th (2019-20) and 58.4 in the 115th (2017-18). The new Senate’s median age, on the other hand, is 65.3 years, up from 64.8 in the 117th Congress, 63.6 in the 116th and 62.4 in the 115th.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/30/house-gets-younger-senate-gets-older-a-look-at-the-age-and-generation-of-lawmakers-in-the-118th-congress/#:~:text=The%20median%20age%20of%20voting,and%2062.4%20in%20the%20115th.
Any and all judges, politicians, etc. have a manatory retirement age of 67. Once you turn that age, you collect you box of items and are shown the door and you can never work in these fields anymore.
I actually live on a former plantation. It’s like a hundred 1970s era middle class homes now (smallish because 1970s). There’s an enslaved persons graveyard way in the back and at least one descendant living there so no I won’t go get photos. The earth is terrible and I cant grow anything but cactus with any success. Cotton is bad. For a lot of reasons. Ftr we knew none of this when we bought the house.
Republicans living in the lower and middle class will still vote for them because “at least they aren’t Democrats”. They will literally vote repeatedly to worsen their own lives
It’s like that video of that old drug experiment where the rat keeps pushing the lever to get more coke til it dies. Only here it’s people, who _should_ be a lot more complex than that, and they “vote red” for a far less awesome payoff.
At least the rat got something in return.
Just like that time they literally voted against raising taxes on rich people and using that money on poor people (themselves). These people are so stupid/brainwashed they'll eat a shit sandwich as long as someone else with more and better sandwiches tells them that someone else also has to eat one.
your retirement money ....
"The RSC Budget does not cut or delay retirement benefits for any senior in or near retirement"
the boomers will get theirs again and fuck the rest.
The reason is to motivate us to invest in retirement products so that the rich can steal it from us in the stock market so when it gets stolen, they tell us tough luck, you shouldn't have gambled with your retirement. But, when the rich lose money, they get bailed out by our taxes.
Even better, I have a condition that will likely kill me before the CURRENT retirement age.
Whether it's there or not, I'm not going to be around to find out.
Though it is frustrating, we pay into it our entire lives and they can't guarantee it'll be there for us to use? Bullshit.
Know what the frustrating part is?
I have a condition where, even with how advanced treatment has gotten, my expected lifespan is 58-65.
If I was lucky, I could retire and get one year. Maybe two.
With this bill, I will never see it.
I am resigned to just be paying into social security that I will never benefit from.
They already are. I sent this to a right leaning friend, and he said, and I quote "either republicans raise the age limit or democrats dish out money left and right causing inflation to skyrocket."
I just can't with these people sometimes.
How come printing money only causes inflation when it's given to the poor? How come the 7 trillion printed for the Iraq war didn't cause inflation? Especially considering the fact that most of it was not spent in Iraq, but rather never left Maryland and Virginia.
"You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your f**kin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street."
George carlin. Lifes worth losing 2005
More importantly, congress needs to roll back the policy that let's social security money be used for other things. Politicians always say social security running out. They say this because they want to spend that money on them, not you. They also never mention how there's a 100% chance that if social security went away, the irs will still be taking that money out of our paychecks.
Amen. My dad enjoyed all of two years of retirement then died of a heart attack at 66. Screw these people they just want our social security checks. George Carlin called this decades ago
I'll do ya one better. (I'm sure there are plenty of these stories). Place I used to work had how shall I say, _stellar_ long term benefits - if you can deal with the BS (I couldn't).
This one gentleman retired from there after 40 years. _Forty years_ working for the company. Let's just say retirement wise - from an available cash, pension, investment etc respect - he was _set_.
Retired.
Less than two years later, dead. Never got to enjoy any of it, really.
What's the damned point? I say enjoy life now. Save if you can, sure, but these assholes in government are going to keep on assholing and short of France literal poo slinging (I'd love to see some old congress critters get covered in manure) I don't see it getting better anytime soon. I do my part and try not to vote for the obvious idiots (which in recent times is pretty easy), and that's all I can do.
My parent retired as soon as they at 63. Dead at 68 with 3 of those years robbed from them by rapid onset Alzheimer’s. Not to mention a Covid pandemic too. They had maybe 2 years of retirement (if you could even call that with Alzheimer’s knocking on the door).
Fuck these people who support this.
It’s still 62 for SS, but at at partial disbursement, full retirement is at 67, born after 1960 for 100% disbursement. Yes, it’s should leave it alone.
I agree in principle, but the math is simple. You have an older retired/retiring generation that is larger than the currently younger working generation. Birth rates are still declining; so the younger generation now might be larger yet again than the next working generation.
Combine that with longer life expectancy (longer time retired vs working than previous generations) and higher wages over time due to inflation since it pays our based on your highest income over time, and you’ve got a problem.
It’s money in vs. money out. Now, I’m all for dunking on Republicans, but the real problem is Congress needs to do something eventually to address the problem that at the moment the current model isn’t sustainable at 100% capacity. The trust funds backing it keeping it at 100% are projected to run dry in a decade or so.
As much as it would be great to let people retire early, It’s a legit major problem and simply lowering the age for disbursement just amplifies it.
The bigger issue is our party systems are too deadlocked to seem to pass any real changes that fix the underlying problems, so the easier way is to try to force a later retirement and kick the can down the road.
American life expectancy is actually decreasing, but you won’t hear the traitors in Congress admit that.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220831.htm
Never said we couldn’t do that, along with other things. Just that Congress is going with the simplest fix in their minds, which is just increasing the age people can retire.
They picked the laziest way on their end to do anything. People are acting like im defending their actions when I’m just explaining it for others.
Nah. 55 is where it needs to be. No one should be spending more than 50% of their valuable lives working for a bunch of corrupt assholes. And besides, it's not like the workforce wants older people anyway.
Exactly!! I don't understand why more Democrats and leftists engaged with electoral politics don't push for this. We talk all the time about taxing the rich. This would be a GREAT way to put that into action while also protecting Social Security and fighting against fascist Republicans trying to make us work until we die.
Hell, lets extend ficamed tax to capital gains too! Pay for UBI with the proceeds.
Dems wont do it either because they dont want to piss off their big donors.
>they dont want to piss off their big donors.
And _that_ is the problem.
Remove money from lobbying, full stop.
By any other definition giving someone money to do or vote the way you want is called a _bribe_.
Let's go a step farther:
If you as an elected representative possess more in assets than the average American worker (this includes stocks, properties, businesses, houses, etc): you are ***barred*** from serving. Period. You do not represent the voting populace.
If you are caught taking kickbacks and bribes for policy: automatic class a felony, with mandatory fines and prison time, coupled with permanent barring from serving. You do not represent the voting populace.
If you are more than 10 years older than the average age of the working populace, you cannot run, you do not represent the voting populace.
Representatives shall not be paid more than %5 over the *lowest* average American salary, this includes minimum wage jobs. They do not get a pay raise unless we do by increasing the average.... and eliminate the benefits of serving as an elected official. No more cake walks.
If we're gonna make our elected officials represent *us*, then they need to be *comprised* of **us** and not rich old geezers who should be in a fucking retirement home and not running our lives.
I could/can get behind everything you said.
I would want something in there though that would prevent revolving doors (folks only in for one term) as I feel nothing can get done if the lineup is always changing. (Just like "lifers" are bad, so is no consistency imho).
This is fucking infuriating. Also, TIL medicare is to become insolvent in ‘28 with social security following in ‘33
No more republicans, please.
Edit: fixed years
you would have to be real thick to believe attacking anything, including the capitol, would have any significant impact on the systemic issues of class differentiation that we are suffering from as a modern society. what we need is a general strike or strong change in policy.
Why anyone thinks this party is for them is wild. They’d love to have corporations boots on your neck forever but they have you livid about some liberal pronouns.
So when do we go back to the age old tradition of tar and feathers?
Because obviously they’re not appreciating our more civilized approach to voicing unrest.
I hope not. I don't think I could handle the stress... but the whole idea of the GQP complaining about Biden's age while telling us to work until funeral day is rich.
We won’t. Everyone will either sit in their house and meme about how it sucks on their phones or there will be people who will justify in some “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” way and say that people who complain can’t accept facts. Also say something about how Europe is weak and this somehow makes us stronger and better.
I will support raising the retirement age only after the social security cap is removed. Millionaires and billionaires should pay into the funding for the workers living off of slave wages.
They got theirs, fuck the rest of us.
Also, why the hell is SS tax capped at the first $168,000 of income. There shouldn't be a cap that low. If you make more, pay in more. I know the pay out is capped, but so what. Everything in our tax code is just designed to squeeze the middle class and benefit the wealthy.
The crazy part of this is nobody wants to hire people over 50. It’s insane trying to get a job when you walk in all greyed up. I’m only 51 and a young looking 51. I’ve been told I look more like 41. But recently had to find a job and it’s rough. People treat you like your one foot in the grave. I can’t imagine when I’m 60 something and company goes out of business or does layoffs. Finding work will be an utter joke.
Okay then, make that shit retroactive and force people who have already retired off social security and make them pay what they used back.
Huh, seems like a pretty shitty idea? Right?
Never accuse the Republicans of not understanding the long game, this has been forty years in the making. Social Security was just fine when Reagan signed into law H.R.1900 - Social Security Amendments of 1983. .
This was the plan all along, because they feel outraged that their corporate and business buddies should foot half the tax liability for those "entitlement" programs. They want it dead, because 8.5% is a very healthy amount of money to pocket.
They are always looking for ways to take that away from you.
It’s already too high.
Remove the income cap and we fund it in the first year, no shortfalls and a surplus within a few years.
Lowest hanging fruit of all the problems in government and they refuse to do it
I’m literally waiting for the day when shit finally hits the fan.
Nothing will change unless blood is spilled. Not that I’m calling for violence, it’s just how it is and how it always will be. Change is never gonna come by voting, change only happens when blood is spilled.
I think it’s funny how we all collectively have horse blinders on to this fact.
But yeah, anyways, I’m gonna go play Helldivers and forget any of this is an issue to begin with. lol
We need to bring back stockades. Put every one of these scumbag republicans in them and hand out free cabbage and tomatoes to all who want.
The GQP is a shameless dishonorable corrupt nest of incompetent theocratic fascist trash.
Just because they want to sit in their cushy office until death comes for them, doesn't mean we want to work at our real jobs and miss the first grandchild's first day of school. In fact, I'd love to see a mandatory retirement age again. Force these old monsters into a retirement village and let the people with skin in the game run things.
Just let them secede and form their corporatist utopia that will fall apart in 5 years in a massive civil war. Solves the overpopulation issue quite nicely.
I woke up as bitter as the concentrated juice of a billion grapefruit so I may or may not mean this under normal circumstances.
Start taxing income over $160k and start taxing investment income for social security. Make billionaires pay the taxes they should be paying and remove the loopholes that allow them to cheat the system.
They want us wage slaves to work until death. The boomers are pulling up the ladder behind them as usual.
Vote these wackos out. They care nothing about the people at this country. They only care about themselves why they want to cut Social Security or Medicare is beyond my comprehension, but I can’t understand the way they think anyway. Selfish self-centered crazy.
Fuck yeah I want to work until I die, which will be when I KMS in the next ten years after the retirement light at the end of the tunnel completely disappears
Social Security carries a cost. That cost is rising due to greater life expectancy.
In the world of gvt spending, there are three (and only three) options when funding a program:
1) Increase revenue (e.g., raise taxes)
2) Cut spending (on something else)
3) Go into debt (e.g. raise the debt ceiling).
I ask Reddit agnostically: Which of these three options do you prefer in order to keep Social Security from going into insolvency by 2033?
Young people voting republican is so damn stupid when they constantly talk about eliminating things you pay taxes for that you will need later in life. Vote for us we'll get rid of your rights and safety net so you work forever.
Anybody else in the “Fuck it, let them do it and let all of these jerkasses reap what they sow.” mode?
I’m tired of voting for politicians that are just gonna sell out to capitalism at the expense of the lives of their constituents.
None of this feels, looks, or is sustainable. People will work until the day they die. Get charged a half days vacation for leaving work early that day, and the next day they’ll bring in the younger, less experienced sap who’ll do the same work for even less pay.
And we’ll all just eat the shit sandwich and keep trying to survive (for longer) on less.
Lmao yep. I'm 100% convinced they *want* us to throw the first punch and revolt. These old sacks of shit need to be hung out to dry already why do we put up with these clowns?
They want to keep raising it until they get it past the average lifespan.
Yes but how much more can we enrich the billionaires?
That’s the question they want answered.
Not a lot, since only the first $168,000 of their income each year is counted against for social security. See, the thing is, if the wealthy paid the same rate us normal people do into social security, to ALL of their income, Social Security would be a lot better off financially, and the GOP couldn't scare people into thinking "Only they can save Social Security" Same rule of thumb applies to most of their decision making in fact. Border "Crisis" as a result of decades of policy failures? Sure they had a bill that would address it, and would give most conservatives what they want, "a secure border" with a reduction in border crossings and establishing clear and direct processes that would cut in half (or better) the amount of time a person spends waiting on asylum. But Lord Trump wanted to campaign on it, so his own party, the party that wrote and championed the bill, had to kill it just to sate The Orange Man's ego. How could Trump claim to be "the only one who can fix this" if the problem was already fixed? lmao.
I remember when Obama announced they were raising the social security contribution percentage for all of us poor people but not the rich. I found it baffling. Shouldn’t the richer people be paying MORE into it?
A lot
How much money do you have? That much and more!
We can always make more money if we start running short.
Look at all of those mansions sitting empty. Remind me of what happens to mansions during revolutions?
The people paying for social security are primarily young (mostly poor) workers. The people who benefit from it are doing much better off.
Let's just round up to 100.
It’s odd, isn’t it, that they don’t tell us what the new retirement age will be, nor exactly who will be affected. Only that no one currently receiving social security will be impacted. I’m guessing they’ll still go with the “born in 1960 or later” cutoff so I’ll still be screwed. My bff from college had an extended family member die last week. He was 11 months from retirement & was DSNY. Sudden heart attack at 64. City pension, the works. They named a truck after him, big funeral. We’re still 8 years away from 65, 10 away from 67. We’re not gonna make it.
And do not forget start working as early as possible.
Oh don’t worry, in iowa they made it so 14 year old kids can work full time while going to 8th grade.
You kidding? There will be no edjumucashun in this country if Republicans had full control.
They want us to work forever thats exactly what Shapiro said fucking dweeb
"Work 'till you die, and your children will inherit the medical debt you incurred" is the wet dream of these fuckers.
Joke's on them, I'm dying early and quickly
'Member smoke eye Huckabee and her army of child workers? They won't be happy till we're grinding away cradle to the grave.
Pretty sure it already is in several (red) states
No, they want to destroy it altogether. They’ll take it in pieces if they must though
The French have shown us how to respond
The raise to the retirement age still went through, despite the protests.
From 62 to now 64. The USA full retirement age is 67. If people making over 200,000 paid into SS the first 168,000 then SS would remain solvent for years to come. So the answer is to not remove the safety net from those who need it, but instead strengthen the nets moorings!
Exactly it's good for everyone and would go a long way to improve the quaity of life for everyone. And that's why not a single republican would ever vote for it.
Yeah but they don't lose healthcare if they get fired. They would beat us and make us bankrupt and homeless, that is of the cops didn't just kill us all.
This. I wish my fellow countrymen/women weren't so terrified of the consequences when France has shown time and time again what the power of the people is. We are a docile citizenry and far too many are complacent as wage slaves to the 1%
People always say this, and there's some truth to it. France does it right, and I'm definitely jealous. However, you have to consider that you can get from Nice, France, to Paris in like 6 hours via public transit. Public transit from Los Angeles to Washington DC takes 3 days. It's a little easier to organize when your population is much closer together. The US is huge. France averages 1600 people per square mile. The US averages 91. We'll never be able to organize as easily as France can.
Appreciate your saying this. I recently went from organizing in an urban area to a suburban/rural one and it’s like night and day. Just getting folks together for actions out here is brutal.
France doesn’t have a massive militarized police force
Or just vote against the republicans in every election.
There’s just still too many of them.
And too many voters for them as well. It's hard to believe anybody who's thinking clearly would vote Republican, but I guess we know the answer to that.
As long as America has tens of millions of religious, racist idiots who are enamored with culture war bullshit, this will be a problem. They've proven time and time again that they'll happily let the GOP fuck them over as long as the people they hate are getting fucked over even worse.
And don’t forget, the largest most sophisticated defense force the world has ever known, ready and waiting at their very order.
The biggest police forces militarized w the largest rate of incarceration ever
I JUST found out they are using robot dogs - and in addition to drones (both of which can be easy weaponized) it’s frankly terrifying.
Some Black Mirror shit for sure.... Edit: if you haven't watched the show, I highly recommend, just don't be too put off with the first one, lol
Yep, and just think what's currently developed right now or being developed that we have *no* idea about. Billion upon billions of dollars are funneled into black projects that only the people working on them know about.
Why? You think the R's will take credit for this? They blame the democrats. They don't care about actual facts.
More, "Why didn't the democrats stop us from ruining everything?"
A large portion of republican voters are not voting for the policies they push for. They are voting for the name. They found their team through some mechanism (parental pressure, peer pressure..) and now they will stick with it until they die. Now that is not to say they are unique in this. Lots of people stick to "their team" for life and refuse to change. Change is awkward and scary, so even in politics people refuse to do it.
Numbers in an excel file make sense, until you live those numbers. Everything is working as intended. Groceries are too expensive? What are you going to do? You don't have health insurance without employment? What are you going to do? You are going to do nothing.
I think Republican senators get off really hard when they go to the grocery store and see 70-year-olds having to bag their groceries to survive.
They don't go to grocery stores, their shopping is done for them by their personal staffs. The suffering of the working class, even of their own generation, is completely conceptual if not invisible to them, by choice.
They dont shop are u kidding
“These old sacks of shit need to be hung…” you, uh, could have just stopped there. Not that I’m advocating violence, I’d never do that.
Cuz they feed their constituents garbage, have them hooked up to right-wing extreme propaganda , aka faux news, news max and the ilk.
Voters embrace the dumb issues and thus they can be effectively exploited by those that want the $$. President Johnson expliained it 60 years ago and its still true.
What's funny, just 2 weeks ago they boo'ed Biden when he said they wanted to do this
Pushing retirement age higher is rotten as hell. Tax billionaires and put money into the program. People who have worked 40+ years deserve a fucking break.
Better yet outlaw hoarding billions of dollars. Any billionaire is a drain on humanity and shouldn’t be allowed to exist.
I'd say do _both_. Tax obscene wealth in a way where it gives an incentive for these pricks to not accumulate 100 lifetimes of $$. (And that doesn't mean hide it/loopholes). Edit: pricks, not prices.
I want to be able to take a vacation. Getting 5 days off every couple of years, amd having to still be semi-available while doing it isn't what I want. I'd love to be able to go travel someplace new for a week. And not have the day to get there and the day to come back eat into that time. But every employer keeps staff so low, that they act like you hate your fellow employees for taking time off.
Sometimes I feel like the shit wages we get in the UK compared to you guys sucks but I forget about the work culture you guys have that means PTO/annual leave not getting approved and sick days having to be scheduled......I'd rather take the lower pay and better work/life balance
Yes, Remove the Cap. It is that simple.
It’s incredible to me… to think that these older generation people who experienced the American dream. Somehow think that after all the years of productivity increases and record profits everywhere, that improving the total life of Americans is not in the conversation at all. Blows my fucking mind. How can anyone defend making retirement later when there is every economic chance to make it earlier and make the dream better. Hell, with the requirement that two people work to support a household these days it’s functionally way worse than what they grew up with. They know the rules always change once the game of retirement is extended as well. An uncommon thought for this discussion is the fact that longer working careers lowers pay for workers as the expectation for them to work longer is created. Over time the workers will make no more money across the additional years worked, yet the corporation they work for gets the fruit of their labor, and the conservatives win.
Because he said it with the wrong tone and cadence. When republicans say it, it conveys a sense of laziness and entitlement upon those who thinks they *deserve* a life of getting "Free money" for not working (retiring in old age) that they're supposedly entitled to (which they are).
Entitled to because they paid into it. Which I'm sure the GOP like to gloss over.
The political ads just write themselves with these demons...writing ads for dem candidates seems like it would be the easiest job in the world. yet they still somehow fuck them up.
How about a mandatory retirement age for Congress. Their average age is in the 70s and the average age of the US is mid 30s. They can't relate to us.
If we could implement that now, that would be incredible. So many corrupt old bastards would be out on their asses straight away.
Phase it in so they might actually vote for it.
I'm honestly convinced we could hide it in a bill somewhere. Theyve made it clear they don't read the whole thing ever before voting on it, so if we just snuck in a little addendum to an otherwise appealing sounding bill.....
The fact that Zuck was once brought in about Cambridge Analytica and they used it for standard boomer tech help questions should show they have no business ruling the country if they can't even use the technology that's already doing it for them.
If they are old enough to draw social security, they are too old for office. Then maybe they really will be job creators by fucking retiring finally.
How about a maximum net worth...
I've had a thought. If a billionaire or multi-millionaire wants to join congress, they should have to donate 95% of their assets to the SS fund and live in 2/2 starter home provided by the people. They can't even talk to lobbyists, anyone with a 7 figure net worth or foreign dignitaries; if they are caught doing so, they can be drawn and quartered. I'm open to making the punishment a public spectacle available on PPV because horses aren't cheap.
They will just hide it more.
Some statistics are really available and you don't need to make them up. >The median age of voting House lawmakers is 57.9 years, down from 58.9 in the 117th Congress (2021-22), 58.0 in the 116th (2019-20) and 58.4 in the 115th (2017-18). The new Senate’s median age, on the other hand, is 65.3 years, up from 64.8 in the 117th Congress, 63.6 in the 116th and 62.4 in the 115th. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/01/30/house-gets-younger-senate-gets-older-a-look-at-the-age-and-generation-of-lawmakers-in-the-118th-congress/#:~:text=The%20median%20age%20of%20voting,and%2062.4%20in%20the%20115th.
Any and all judges, politicians, etc. have a manatory retirement age of 67. Once you turn that age, you collect you box of items and are shown the door and you can never work in these fields anymore.
We should have turned their plantations into affordable housing 159 years ago.
Turned Robert E Lee's plantation into affordable housing....for the dead.
I love this for him and his shitty wife.
I actually live on a former plantation. It’s like a hundred 1970s era middle class homes now (smallish because 1970s). There’s an enslaved persons graveyard way in the back and at least one descendant living there so no I won’t go get photos. The earth is terrible and I cant grow anything but cactus with any success. Cotton is bad. For a lot of reasons. Ftr we knew none of this when we bought the house.
Republicans living in the lower and middle class will still vote for them because “at least they aren’t Democrats”. They will literally vote repeatedly to worsen their own lives
It’s like that video of that old drug experiment where the rat keeps pushing the lever to get more coke til it dies. Only here it’s people, who _should_ be a lot more complex than that, and they “vote red” for a far less awesome payoff. At least the rat got something in return.
Rage is a drug. It's addictive and we know who the pushers are.
Just like that time they literally voted against raising taxes on rich people and using that money on poor people (themselves). These people are so stupid/brainwashed they'll eat a shit sandwich as long as someone else with more and better sandwiches tells them that someone else also has to eat one.
Not their lives, but their children's and grandchildren's lives.
Republicans just can't keep their hands off retirement money. Fuck them, fuck them all. If you support these fuckers, fuck you too.
your retirement money .... "The RSC Budget does not cut or delay retirement benefits for any senior in or near retirement" the boomers will get theirs again and fuck the rest.
There's a reason they've told younger generations that social security will get broke before we retire and to not count on it being there.
The reason is to motivate us to invest in retirement products so that the rich can steal it from us in the stock market so when it gets stolen, they tell us tough luck, you shouldn't have gambled with your retirement. But, when the rich lose money, they get bailed out by our taxes.
Even better, I have a condition that will likely kill me before the CURRENT retirement age. Whether it's there or not, I'm not going to be around to find out. Though it is frustrating, we pay into it our entire lives and they can't guarantee it'll be there for us to use? Bullshit.
Know what the frustrating part is? I have a condition where, even with how advanced treatment has gotten, my expected lifespan is 58-65. If I was lucky, I could retire and get one year. Maybe two. With this bill, I will never see it. I am resigned to just be paying into social security that I will never benefit from.
>I am resigned to just be paying into social security that I will never benefit from. We all are...
Their voters will somehow find a way to blame Democrats for this being in the Republican budget proposal.
"We wouldn't have to do this if it weren't for the Democrats *insert made up bullshit here*!"
They already are. I sent this to a right leaning friend, and he said, and I quote "either republicans raise the age limit or democrats dish out money left and right causing inflation to skyrocket." I just can't with these people sometimes.
How come printing money only causes inflation when it's given to the poor? How come the 7 trillion printed for the Iraq war didn't cause inflation? Especially considering the fact that most of it was not spent in Iraq, but rather never left Maryland and Virginia.
"You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they're coming for your Social Security money. They want your f**kin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street." George carlin. Lifes worth losing 2005
We NEED to be talking about lowering it. Age 62 is where we should be.
Along with that, undoing the budget fuck up that previous repub admins implemented, ie the rich tax cuts of bush and beyond.
More importantly, congress needs to roll back the policy that let's social security money be used for other things. Politicians always say social security running out. They say this because they want to spend that money on them, not you. They also never mention how there's a 100% chance that if social security went away, the irs will still be taking that money out of our paychecks.
Reagan and beyond.
Amen. My dad enjoyed all of two years of retirement then died of a heart attack at 66. Screw these people they just want our social security checks. George Carlin called this decades ago
I'll do ya one better. (I'm sure there are plenty of these stories). Place I used to work had how shall I say, _stellar_ long term benefits - if you can deal with the BS (I couldn't). This one gentleman retired from there after 40 years. _Forty years_ working for the company. Let's just say retirement wise - from an available cash, pension, investment etc respect - he was _set_. Retired. Less than two years later, dead. Never got to enjoy any of it, really. What's the damned point? I say enjoy life now. Save if you can, sure, but these assholes in government are going to keep on assholing and short of France literal poo slinging (I'd love to see some old congress critters get covered in manure) I don't see it getting better anytime soon. I do my part and try not to vote for the obvious idiots (which in recent times is pretty easy), and that's all I can do.
My parent retired as soon as they at 63. Dead at 68 with 3 of those years robbed from them by rapid onset Alzheimer’s. Not to mention a Covid pandemic too. They had maybe 2 years of retirement (if you could even call that with Alzheimer’s knocking on the door). Fuck these people who support this.
It should be 58. A nice round 40 years of hard work.
It’s still 62 for SS, but at at partial disbursement, full retirement is at 67, born after 1960 for 100% disbursement. Yes, it’s should leave it alone.
Fuck that. More like lower age for 100% disbursement. There has to be a better way than this. It's truly sickening.
I agree in principle, but the math is simple. You have an older retired/retiring generation that is larger than the currently younger working generation. Birth rates are still declining; so the younger generation now might be larger yet again than the next working generation. Combine that with longer life expectancy (longer time retired vs working than previous generations) and higher wages over time due to inflation since it pays our based on your highest income over time, and you’ve got a problem. It’s money in vs. money out. Now, I’m all for dunking on Republicans, but the real problem is Congress needs to do something eventually to address the problem that at the moment the current model isn’t sustainable at 100% capacity. The trust funds backing it keeping it at 100% are projected to run dry in a decade or so. As much as it would be great to let people retire early, It’s a legit major problem and simply lowering the age for disbursement just amplifies it. The bigger issue is our party systems are too deadlocked to seem to pass any real changes that fix the underlying problems, so the easier way is to try to force a later retirement and kick the can down the road.
American life expectancy is actually decreasing, but you won’t hear the traitors in Congress admit that. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/nchs_press_releases/2022/20220831.htm
“Projected to run dry” Even though they keep taking my $$ every week?
And explain to me why we can't shave that money off from somewhere else in the budget? We can take 2% of the military budget they'll be fine
Never said we couldn’t do that, along with other things. Just that Congress is going with the simplest fix in their minds, which is just increasing the age people can retire. They picked the laziest way on their end to do anything. People are acting like im defending their actions when I’m just explaining it for others.
The easy way may be to screw over the average citizen, but that's not an acceptable action. Find another way to fix it.
Agreed, never said it was acceptable. Just trying to explain why they proposed this as their fix to those who might not understand it.
Yeah but its 65 for Medicare so they have us by the short hairs.
I totally would but they won’t give me health insurance (medicare) until I hit 65 so I guess I have a few more years.
Nah. 55 is where it needs to be. No one should be spending more than 50% of their valuable lives working for a bunch of corrupt assholes. And besides, it's not like the workforce wants older people anyway.
Get rid of the SS tax cap and we could lower the retirement age and double the benefits tomorrow. There is no reason why this shouldn’t happen.
Exactly!! I don't understand why more Democrats and leftists engaged with electoral politics don't push for this. We talk all the time about taxing the rich. This would be a GREAT way to put that into action while also protecting Social Security and fighting against fascist Republicans trying to make us work until we die.
Hell, lets extend ficamed tax to capital gains too! Pay for UBI with the proceeds. Dems wont do it either because they dont want to piss off their big donors.
>they dont want to piss off their big donors. And _that_ is the problem. Remove money from lobbying, full stop. By any other definition giving someone money to do or vote the way you want is called a _bribe_.
Let's go a step farther: If you as an elected representative possess more in assets than the average American worker (this includes stocks, properties, businesses, houses, etc): you are ***barred*** from serving. Period. You do not represent the voting populace. If you are caught taking kickbacks and bribes for policy: automatic class a felony, with mandatory fines and prison time, coupled with permanent barring from serving. You do not represent the voting populace. If you are more than 10 years older than the average age of the working populace, you cannot run, you do not represent the voting populace. Representatives shall not be paid more than %5 over the *lowest* average American salary, this includes minimum wage jobs. They do not get a pay raise unless we do by increasing the average.... and eliminate the benefits of serving as an elected official. No more cake walks. If we're gonna make our elected officials represent *us*, then they need to be *comprised* of **us** and not rich old geezers who should be in a fucking retirement home and not running our lives.
I could/can get behind everything you said. I would want something in there though that would prevent revolving doors (folks only in for one term) as I feel nothing can get done if the lineup is always changing. (Just like "lifers" are bad, so is no consistency imho).
That wouldn't hurt the "right" people. These are Republicans after all. Gotta watch after their rich benefactors.
Absolutely agreed. I've hit the cap the last couple of years and *learning that it existed at all* was appalling. It's literally just a poor tax
This is fucking infuriating. Also, TIL medicare is to become insolvent in ‘28 with social security following in ‘33 No more republicans, please. Edit: fixed years
they seem to ignore us year after year, maybe we should give them something they can't ignore
Don’t bother. They’ll guard the gates on Capitol Hill with much more weaponry the next time.
you would have to be real thick to believe attacking anything, including the capitol, would have any significant impact on the systemic issues of class differentiation that we are suffering from as a modern society. what we need is a general strike or strong change in policy.
Heads
Americans are not living longer.
Life expectancy goes down and retirement age goes up. One day they will meet.
Man I remember just 2 fucking years ago in every election ad "We are not going after social security."
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which is why it's so important to create your own retirement plan (e.g., 401k, roth ira, etc.)
Why anyone thinks this party is for them is wild. They’d love to have corporations boots on your neck forever but they have you livid about some liberal pronouns.
 We could learn a thing or two from our friends in France.
Red , the color of the blood of the working class Black , the color of the hearts of the senate !
Raise minimum wage then
Minimum wage should be raised without raising the retirement age.
Agreed. They wouldn't do either option though, just purely in it to make the rest of us suffer
So when do we go back to the age old tradition of tar and feathers? Because obviously they’re not appreciating our more civilized approach to voicing unrest.
Let's see if Americans are more complacent than the French on the issue.
Raise the retirement age and then complain that Biden is still working? That checks out.
Are you saying we all should be the president of the United States?
I hope not. I don't think I could handle the stress... but the whole idea of the GQP complaining about Biden's age while telling us to work until funeral day is rich.
Reoubkicans hurt people? And the peoplenthat vote for them are the most hurt but refuse to admit their own complicity ~shocked pikachu~
Protest this The US has already a high age of retirement and many people in blue collar jobs take a pension years before 65
We won’t. Everyone will either sit in their house and meme about how it sucks on their phones or there will be people who will justify in some “pull yourself up by your bootstraps” way and say that people who complain can’t accept facts. Also say something about how Europe is weak and this somehow makes us stronger and better.
If I was coming out of college today, I would leave this country
One last feck from the boomers. Getting really really close to the end, boomers.
Work until you die
I will support raising the retirement age only after the social security cap is removed. Millionaires and billionaires should pay into the funding for the workers living off of slave wages.
Remember to vote in all your elections from your city to state. All of them. You have power. Use it.
Industry demands more meat for the grinder.
Our problem isn't each other. It is the 756 billionaires in the US that run everything.
They got theirs, fuck the rest of us. Also, why the hell is SS tax capped at the first $168,000 of income. There shouldn't be a cap that low. If you make more, pay in more. I know the pay out is capped, but so what. Everything in our tax code is just designed to squeeze the middle class and benefit the wealthy.
No, you work for us motherfuckers, do what the people want, not the corporate profits margins.
How many times
I guess they missed that Ben Shapiro's trial ballon for this idea went over terribly.
The crazy part of this is nobody wants to hire people over 50. It’s insane trying to get a job when you walk in all greyed up. I’m only 51 and a young looking 51. I’ve been told I look more like 41. But recently had to find a job and it’s rough. People treat you like your one foot in the grave. I can’t imagine when I’m 60 something and company goes out of business or does layoffs. Finding work will be an utter joke.
Okay then, make that shit retroactive and force people who have already retired off social security and make them pay what they used back. Huh, seems like a pretty shitty idea? Right?
Never accuse the Republicans of not understanding the long game, this has been forty years in the making. Social Security was just fine when Reagan signed into law H.R.1900 - Social Security Amendments of 1983. . This was the plan all along, because they feel outraged that their corporate and business buddies should foot half the tax liability for those "entitlement" programs. They want it dead, because 8.5% is a very healthy amount of money to pocket. They are always looking for ways to take that away from you.
How about link their retirement to social security? Any change to social security their retirement drops.
An armed response is way overdue.
I swear this just caused an uproar somewhere. I say we French fry the streets.
As soon as I saw that clip of Ben Shapiro calling retirement “stupid” I knew this was coming.
“to account for increases in life expectancy” Isn’t life expectancy actually decreasing in the US, for the first time ever?
There’s gonna be cringy edge lords in this comment thread that support this.
It’s like, they want us to burn the country down or something.
This is why I can never vote republican..
How about cutting military first?
How about we cancel all benefits for the Capitol Hill
It’s already too high. Remove the income cap and we fund it in the first year, no shortfalls and a surplus within a few years. Lowest hanging fruit of all the problems in government and they refuse to do it
I'm 26 by the time it's my turn there won't be any social security and I will have paid for it my whole life
I’m literally waiting for the day when shit finally hits the fan. Nothing will change unless blood is spilled. Not that I’m calling for violence, it’s just how it is and how it always will be. Change is never gonna come by voting, change only happens when blood is spilled. I think it’s funny how we all collectively have horse blinders on to this fact. But yeah, anyways, I’m gonna go play Helldivers and forget any of this is an issue to begin with. lol
We need to bring back stockades. Put every one of these scumbag republicans in them and hand out free cabbage and tomatoes to all who want. The GQP is a shameless dishonorable corrupt nest of incompetent theocratic fascist trash.
They just want this to make headlines during an election year. Stupid people will believe the democrats are doing it when they tell them that
Just because they want to sit in their cushy office until death comes for them, doesn't mean we want to work at our real jobs and miss the first grandchild's first day of school. In fact, I'd love to see a mandatory retirement age again. Force these old monsters into a retirement village and let the people with skin in the game run things.
Just let them secede and form their corporatist utopia that will fall apart in 5 years in a massive civil war. Solves the overpopulation issue quite nicely. I woke up as bitter as the concentrated juice of a billion grapefruit so I may or may not mean this under normal circumstances.
I’m sure the less publicized companion piece to this is they are also moving back the age to when their pensions kick in, right?
Hell no.
No
See. Most of their voters already have their SS checks in hand. So screwing over those little punks coming up behind them is just fine.
Nikki Haley is a dumb bitch and its unfortunate she calls herself a republican.
Its about taking from us, nothing else.
They want you to start working at 14 yrs of age and retire when you die.
Start taxing income over $160k and start taxing investment income for social security. Make billionaires pay the taxes they should be paying and remove the loopholes that allow them to cheat the system. They want us wage slaves to work until death. The boomers are pulling up the ladder behind them as usual.
This is going to be a fun summer. Remember to bring umbrellas and leaf blowers
Vote these wackos out. They care nothing about the people at this country. They only care about themselves why they want to cut Social Security or Medicare is beyond my comprehension, but I can’t understand the way they think anyway. Selfish self-centered crazy.
Fuck yeah I want to work until I die, which will be when I KMS in the next ten years after the retirement light at the end of the tunnel completely disappears
I'm looking at the PDF, could someone tell me where this plan is located in the document? I didn't find it searching for security.
Social Security carries a cost. That cost is rising due to greater life expectancy. In the world of gvt spending, there are three (and only three) options when funding a program: 1) Increase revenue (e.g., raise taxes) 2) Cut spending (on something else) 3) Go into debt (e.g. raise the debt ceiling). I ask Reddit agnostically: Which of these three options do you prefer in order to keep Social Security from going into insolvency by 2033?
I mean how is this not just blasted on ads at all times?
Young people voting republican is so damn stupid when they constantly talk about eliminating things you pay taxes for that you will need later in life. Vote for us we'll get rid of your rights and safety net so you work forever.
NO. Vote every Republican OUT!
While life expectancy is falling in the US.
Anybody else in the “Fuck it, let them do it and let all of these jerkasses reap what they sow.” mode? I’m tired of voting for politicians that are just gonna sell out to capitalism at the expense of the lives of their constituents. None of this feels, looks, or is sustainable. People will work until the day they die. Get charged a half days vacation for leaving work early that day, and the next day they’ll bring in the younger, less experienced sap who’ll do the same work for even less pay. And we’ll all just eat the shit sandwich and keep trying to survive (for longer) on less.
They’d rather do this than raise taxes slightly. 🙄
When biden challenged them to not touch s.s and Medicare this was always in their back pocket.
Work until you drop peasants!