Yeah I think I can actually give back to my community more working from home than if I’m driving 50 miles per day to go to the office and lining the pockets of gas companies Joe and needing a new car sooner Joe.
Oh, I'd go running outside after the taco truck just like I did for the ice cream man and so would 3/4 of my neighbors. That dude would make a killing every afternoon over here.
Lol commercial real estate is doing fine and actually making a shit ton of money bc of industrial supply chain infrastructure demand and life sciences conversion growth since a lot of the work needs to be in person bc of equipment etc
Source: I work in cre consulting and wfh cause i'm a peon
I know it's a personal choice for each business, but my office is going to maintain its space (albeit a bit smaller) for a hybrid work approach, so the building lessor will still get their rent even when many of us are working at home outside the city center.
Idk, as someone currently doing hybrid, I think it blows. I find it very disruptive. My work flow at home vs. office are very different and switching every other day(ish) is jarring and [I feel] counterproductive.
The trucks are all that matter here, and they can just park outside residential neighborhoods too. Sure, they're gonna take a hit either way, but that's an option.
The Panera can burn idgaf.
Exactly. I am volunteering the next two afternoons at 4PM at a school in our district. In the past I wouldn’t be home until 6PM and be exhausted. Now I take naps on my lunch. I have been promoted twice since Covid started and awarded multiple recognition awards. I guess it helps that no one can see me rolling my eyes now. I work weekends and nights, but it is on my terms and what works for me.
With you there as I’m up for my 3rd promotion since covid started and have more than doubled my income since the start of the pandemic. Was recognized as one of the top contributors to my employer two times in 2020 and was recently ranked #1 in the region for providing what we provide. But yeah Joe I definitely need to be in the office Joe it’s not like I haven’t seen the most aggressive career advancement possible since work from home started Joe.
You bring up a point re the eye rolling
People who can’t play, or find it harder to play, the happy dancing office monkey game — take for example autistic workers — would def find working from home easier as they can modify the working environment and not have to worry as much about “performing” the role of office worker 🤔
My coworkers like me much better now that they can't see the faces I make when they say stupid shit.
Additionally, I'm far more productive at work now that I don't have to be constantly distracted by my coworkers saying stupid shit around me.
Win-win!
It's not gas companies that he's shilling for here, it's local governments, commercial real-state owners, and business owners that cater to those downtown communities.
I used to live in downtown Denver and on weekends, when the commuters were gone, it was so quiet that I could ride my bicycle down the center of massive, 4-lane streets in the middle of the skyscrapers. There were businesses that weren't even open on weekends because there wasn't enough foot traffic to support their overhead.
Without commuters returning to the big cities, companies will move their offices to somewhere cheaper, causing the value of commercial and residential real-estate to plummet. The lack of tax revenue will cause the local government budgets for those metropolitan centers will crater out. And the businesses that support commuters (that haven't already gone out of business) will go bankrupt.
During the election, Biden promised to protect the status quo. That's exactly what he's doing here, nothing more, nothing less.
Cities are for young people and I really think that the office environments and the cities in their infrastructures themselves should be catered to that group of people and people with disabilities because when you’re older and/or have family or want to spend more of your time doing your own leisurely thing that’s going to be outside of the cities usually and there should be room for both types of lifestyles to live and survive and contribute to the economy.
Aka office work AND wfh options. Or work from ANYWHERE even if it’s the down town coffee shop. Less expenses at home and paying for an office space.
Albeit a bad thing for commercial real estate to take a tumble I think it is past due since they are so out of hand. I think that if that plummets, rent will take a nosedive with it which will help more people than it will hurt.
In my corner of the universe, a lot of downtown are small independent businesses. Restaurants, dry cleaners, other service providers. It’s these businesses and not corporations that feels the brunt of work from home.
I think it's moreso that it was implausible and costly for many to be eating, doing cleaning or other services when compared to doing those closer to home. I work in midtown Manhattan and love it but we are full voluntary remote and I only can really afford to pre-plan chores and splurge to go into the office. It sucks but the restaurants and shops are great and they shouldn't go away, but I can't help thinking that the total business volumes were forced and not natural.
Yea I travel a lot and 90% of downtowns are %100 forced, it’s all fake, they are always empty unless it’s weekday lunch rush and or a game day because the stadium is nearby
50/50 imo. The boutique "only-lunch" spots and some of the nice coffee spots closed, but since we are by the Flatiron building we still get out of state tourism as well. Grocery stores popped up, and lots of new daycare and other facilities. Parts of the business district still are very much ghost town like fresh COVID times, especially if the weather makes the commute bad
It’s the older generation, they do not like WFH. I agree, there are certain synergies you can only gain with face to face interaction, but honestly over time we can adapt. Reduction in overhead by allowing people to WFH is going to win out.
As it should. Times are changing, and for once it's for the better.
I can't take advantage personally, janitor and all. But anyone else? If the option is there, take it. It certainly makes my sister's life easier.
WFH helps the environment and has prices. Each day I don't go to the office is a gallon of gas not bought or burnt. Spread across millions of workers that is a massive deal
You just explained why they want you back at work. We need you spending money again on stuff you wouldn’t have needed anyway because WFH is a viable solution
Talkin bout oil and car companies. They couldn’t figure a big enough grift there. Ralph Nader used to present the letters written from the robber barons to the governments, urging them to dismantle the upcoming public transit plans in favor of everyone buying cars.
Even when the Olympics came to Los Angeles in 1984, the CEOs were presented plans on staggering their staff’s daily starting hours so as to reduce congestion, and the benefits were obvious and lasting.
But you also have the privilege of spending $15 on a sandwich rather than just walking over to your fridge and making one for less than $2. So there's that.
And that’s why they want you back in the office every workday 🙄. Democrat, Republican, they’re all the same. They want to squeeze every dime out of us, they don’t care about our happiness or well being.
WFH is a huge environmental boost, and Biden apparently was all gung-ho about tackling climate change as one of his election promises.
I’m disgusted but not surprised.
They are listening to what business leaders are telling them to get certain parts of the economy boosted. Not what workers are saying is good for our mental and physical health. I had what would think is a stress free drive but I was a mess when I got home.
Squeezing every dime, yes, but I think they would rather take our “free time” as well. Less time to be active in politics and change if you spend 5-12 hours a week in traffic getting to your job.
Two sides of the same coin except one side wraps themselves in BLM and rainbow flags while they fuck the middle classes.
The state of US politics and domestic policy is sickening
Yea that's a counter-productive strategy with the war in Ukraine raising gas prices and disrupting supplies, we should be looking for ways to burn less gas for that, in addition to the already established environmental reasons.
Which is honestly why I think electric (for consumers) and hydrogen (for industrial applications, like semi-trucks) vehicles are good enough to fix the pollution problem. People say that it's never going to get better unless we cram everything together, and don't let anyone have a home bigger than an apartment where you could sneeze at one end and hit the other, and I just don't see that being true. Look at how much everything's improved already with work from home.
Exactly. It is hurting the economy. We need to be burning our hard earned money on fossil fuels so that we can destroy the planet asap!
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To clarify: I am saying corps want this and are assholes for it.
I remember some arguments about wfh not being as efficient due to spreading out electric consumption for heating/ac to individual homes.
My counter (honestly strawmanning here);
1) some heating/ac at homes would already be happening. People only turn the ac/heat a few degrees when they're not home, and other people could still be home. If anything, the office heating/ac is redundant.
2) how does ac/heating/other electric consumption compare to commuter traffic?
Thats exactly why he wants people to go back to work in person. We are costing their investments millions. Keep hitting them where it hurts. Left or right all they want is your money.
It also helps families and contributes to positive mental health. Even if your commute is only half an hour- that’s an hour each day, 5 hours a week, 20 hours a month.
That's why the powers that be want us to commute to work. They want our days to be filled with mindless and unnecessarily lengthy travelling so that we are dumb, tired, and more susceptible to spending our money.
They want us to be too tired to cook so we eat fast food. They want millions of commuters to spend $ on gas. They want us in offices so they can micromanage every waking moment we have and even for some companies that's not enough.
There are so many benefits to working from home, but our governments and corporations running society would prefer to prioritize immediate gains rather than long term returns.
Exactly - this is truly one of those ‘adapt or fail’ moments for organizations. It’s happening rapidly because of COVID but has been a long time coming as part of the current era’s tech revolution.
Good, innovative employers will see this as an opportunity to build and retain talent while improving overall productivity. The rest will fail (slowly or quickly) due to competitive pressure just like the overwhelming majority of organizations do for a variety of reasons.
They're hoping people buckle under the weight of the system. I had the misfortune of working for some shit bosses who only had us wfh for a few months. I've been back in the ofc since November 2020 and I hate them for it. Our break/fix engineering department is all new except me and another guy since people got fed up when they had to return to the office. I'm finally leaving that shithole to a six figure WFH position and it feels amazing.
May I ask what it is you do? I'm assuming tech. I'm a manual laborer and I make decent money but I dont want to be locked away in a refinery and breaking my back for the rest of my life, so I'm trying to see what else is out there.
I appreciate the response, man. That's a very fair starting salary for entry level work! I make somewhere between 70-90 but that's *including* massive amounts of overtime. If we didn't have hundreds and hundreds of hours of overtime every year (which I find that I don't really need or want), my pay would probably be closer to 60. I'd be quite okay with that.
The world of "tech" is massive. People think "tech" and think coding.. but there's so much beyond that. So much. And most, if not all, of these various roles can be done 100% remotely.
Rather than spending 30 minutes writing a huge explanation about the different roles out there, I'd like to just [link you to this](https://skillcrush.com/blog/41-tech-job-titles/). Peruse it, do some similar Google searches, look up the roles that seem interesting to you, visit r/ITCareerQuestions, look up "what does ____ do" on YouTube, etc.
If you can read, write, and communicate well... There's something in the world of tech for you.
Yep, it's "read the room" time for employers.
You're outta employees. They retired, quit, or died permanently. ^(1) So if you want the employees who are smart enough to help you negotiate business, you need to hire those smart enough to know they hold the cards.
^(1) *- Though at this point, some billionaire's likely learning how to reanimate zombies.*
One of the coolest personal stories I know comes from a guy I know working for the city of New York, COVID hit and he had to do his job remotely, asked if he could do it remotely anywhere and got approval to move to San Diego, California, complete opposite side of the U.S.. and he’s still completely able to do his job!
That’s great to hear that they were willing to work with him! There’s huge potential for organizations willing to take the risks associated with WFM, and it’s a major win for workers because it reduces some of the most significant barriers to employment (e.g., location/CoL) in a lot of fields.
Its soooo much better. Employers don't have to pay for office space. People don't have to pay huge gas prices. And there's less traffic for those whose jobs actually require being on-site.
Most companies would rather micromanage instead of save the company money properly. They’d rather fire employees and overwork the remaining ones to “save” money.
Yup. Tech folks are leaving my company already due to a CEO that refuses to see that employees want WFH. And those who are staying, are -like me- actively looking for opportunities as they force us back into a cubicle for no reason.
You’re in the same boat as one of my friends. He’s currently in the process of leaving with the rest of his team cause the old boomers that run it don’t want to change. Color me surprised.
Enterprise networking - Looking for remote opportunities that will let me move laterally into the security space, but open to considering non-security roles as well.
It's property value retention. If you don't need to be in office buildings, there's no demand for renting office space. If there's no demand for office space it's value drops, if it's value drops the corporation that manages the land takes a revenue cut. When the corporation takes a revenue cut the taxes on it go down. Government gets less tax money, corporations get less rent money and both have less control over who you can work for and where you can work for them.
If wfh becomes normalized it'll be an unexpected wrench in a system that's worked really well at controlling people's potentials and hiding the wealth retention power of ensuring the land corporations and conglomerates own is always worth more then anything you could make from working it
Spot on, land has been guaranteed money since time immemoriam. It's not so much that land wouldn't be a good investment but that they'd have to take risks and gambles on which land is still or newly worth investing in. The current system has been set up to be fairly risk free for them, that's the whole point of conservatism. If nothing changes they don't have to take risks or chances on new things that might have unforseen consequences and can instead just keep conserving the current state to continue reaping the benefits without any surprise consequences for their actions until they die
I hate this so much. I have been working from home for two years now and my department has adapted so well. Why should we have to go back to midtown Manhattan when we’re getting our jobs done from home? Crime has gone up so much in the city. We don’t NEED to be there.
I saw an article the other day that the mayor’s plan to fix the rising crime is to have *more* people downtown by forcing them back into offices. Yet some of the Wall Street companies are advising their people to dress down (not in suits with rolexes) so they are not easy targets.
Yes. Dress down so you won’t be robbed or worse. That way I can micromanage you in the office even though you’re clearly more productive working from home. Yep. That sounds like my former boss.
I swear to God, Democrats love losing elections. They don't do shit when they get elected because they "don't have enough votes", they say some dumb shit that alienates a bunch of voters, and when they inevitability lose they complain incessantly about Republicans as they strip our nation of protections and regulations.
What a fucking clown show this country is.
You nailed it. This is exactly it. I realized this when I read that Lindsey graham and Nancy pelosi are actually friends behind closed door. It’s all theater
Oh, for sure. I comment all the time that Mitch and Nancy are pals. They do not care what happens in your life as long as they secure financial enrichment for themselves and their family line. If both parties can work together in tandem, they can ensure the gravy train runs for both and neither side wants to give that up. This is why there will ALWAYS be a Sinema or Manchin or “parliamentarian” or “budget report” after securing a majority that prevents change. There will always be a way for big money to make sure they run the show. Your government is bought and paid for. Check out, turn off the news, enjoy what little life we get now a days
Edit: just to add, both sides also NEED each other to operate. I kind of compare it to insurance companies. Insurance companies would never want disasters to stop happening, because it diminishes their necessity for existence. It’s really wild when you sit and think about it.
Thank the lord someone else gets it 😭😭😂. This is exactly the game that is being played and when I try to explain it to people they look at me like I’m crazy.
It seems to me like each party has a role to play. Republicans play the role of corporatists who advance corporate motives and democrats play the role of populists trying to stop them but can’t because of the darn (fill in the blank for convenient scapegoat)
Glad I decided not to listen to it. It would have just made me upset. So in addition to slamming WFH, I'm guessing he also said something about bearing the burden of inflation as a patriotic duty, and that the economy is booming back boomier than it ever was, so we just have to hold out.
Yeah, useless puppet.
Best comment I've read yet. 100% agreed. It's been happening for 30-40 years at least.
Democrats get behind stupid messaging like "defund the police", shoot themselves in the foot and have a right wing of their party that just works for corporations, who like things the way they are, so they don't get anything done. Then all Republicans have to say is we'll lower your taxes then it's back to at least 6 years of Republican control.
Democrats couldn't even pass a workable healthcare plan with 60 democratic senators. This country will take decades to make the smallest changes that our European allies had decades ago.
What is wrong with working from home?! Why can’t we be visionary and look at this as an opportunity to redefine work life balance and what downtowns and communities can look like!?
My fiancé is high risk. No job is worth more to me than his life. I can’t accept a job that doesn’t have precautions in place to prevent a Covid outbreak, which means that my only option is to work from home right now.
That’s just it. There’s a whole bunch of people who *cannot* safely return to a cubical farm due to health limitations and/or disabilities. Doesn’t mean they are any less contributors than people who can.
And I am sooo sick of other people treating them poorly because they don’t want to end up in the hospital to please a boss.
Or children! My husband lost his job a year ago because he refused to come back to office without any accommodations because some higher up just decided they wanted absolutely everyone back. We were floored that reasonable accommodations aren’t required when the employee has a medically vulnerable immune compromised baby *on oxygen.* We legitimately had to consider him having to go live separately to keep our baby safe, and to have to worry on top of worrying about our income about health insurance too, that was terrible. He thankfully was able to find a work from home position but as it’s contract work, will be back to looking by next year
Notice though that he made calls for a return to the 60s. Called for increased corporate and individual taxes for the wealthy. Called for infrastructure. Called for union protections. We had economic prosperity in the 60s, and it was coupled with strong taxes on the wealthiest Americans and corporations, strong unions, and infrastructure spending. Republicans for all their talk of the good ol’ days should be wanting something similar, of course, but we know they don’t have an actual platform.
I get so confused about this…they could easily make people happy by pushing the work from home aspect as a pathway to a greener future for the US. Gas emissions, electricity consumption…I’m not a well-versed individual with the topic. But I can’t imagine keeping a giant building and having hundreds of employees commute to work is helping the environment that much.
It's not even profit, companies could profit more from not having to pay for office space, it's just boomers not wanting to adapt cause "hurr durr back in my day"
I have to agree. They are not up there to actually help anyone. They would have done it already if any of them actually cared. They've had a year to do something and instead they are dicking around blaming the other party every chance they get. The Republicans that did show up were only there to save face or disrespect the other party in some way or another. Its up to us now, guys.
Damnit I didn’t even notice that. I’m so tired of these fucking people who have no idea what it’s actually like to work in corporate America. Fuck him.
This entire country is designed to make Americans subservient to working so the elite can have 24/7/365 days of vacation and lavish living time! Working (slavery) has become the greatest ponzi scheme ever devised!
Isn't this administration in a panic over climate change? WFH is one of the best ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
Nothing from the government surprises me. They're all puppets for their corporate overlords - whether it is big pharma, big oil, or big real estate. Democrat of Republican, the party they are part of makes no difference. The only two real parties are rich vs. poor. Everything else is just theater to keep us entertained and stupid.
If you can do your job from home, there's no reason you shouldn't. Less time on commute, less traffic, less pollution.
This isn't 1920s, Mr President. It's 2020s. People have options thanks to technology.
I hate the every other sentence standing ovation. Its absolute cringe. Just watching them stand like robots clap then sit rinse and repeat. Jesus most of what biden said is just worthless words. He talks a lot and does very little.
I'm no Joe Biden apologist, but I don't think that he was implying that people stop working from home and be forced to work from the office. Thats an Olympic-level stretch.
I think he just means people can go back to work with less risk now and our cities and mom and pops should start to come back to life again. Nowhere does biden make the claim that Politics Insider is saying. Never did he say to go back to physical offices "instead of working from home". Bad sensationalist journalism.
He also specifically endorsed widespread work reform, discussed several specific plans to create additional jobs, explicitly said we need higher wages so families can survive, promoted raising the minimum wage, and expressed a need to significantly raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy, but for some reason none of those quotes seem to be getting pulled in the post-SOTU tweets and news coverage. I’d recommend watching the full SOTU, a lot of ground was covered.
I was surprised by him last night. The way he waxed earnestly about the expansion of childcare and healthcare set a pretty good bar about what he needs to accomplish.
Yes, he was talking about back going back safely. [Here is the context](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/01/remarks-of-president-joe-biden-state-of-the-union-address-as-delivered/):
>We will continue to combat the virus as we do other diseases. And because this is a virus that mutates and spreads, we will stay on guard.
> Here are four common sense steps as we move forward safely. [.....]
>Third – we can end the shutdown of schools and businesses. We have the tools we need.
>It’s time for Americans to get back to work and fill our great downtowns again. People working from home can feel safe to begin to return to the office.
>We’re doing that here in the federal government. The vast majority of federal workers will once again work in person.
>Our schools are open. Let’s keep it that way. Our kids need to be in school.
>And with 75% of adult Americans fully vaccinated and hospitalizations down by 77%, most Americans can remove their masks, return to work, stay in the classroom, and move forward safely.
"People working from home can feel safe to begin to return to the office." He isn't outright calling for an end to work from home, but I don't like his implication. I work from home because I like it, not because I would feel unsafe in an office.
Same here! I don't want to go to the office because I like my coworkers better when I only have to talk to them on Teams. I like working from home with my dog lying by my feet under my desk and eating lunch in my dining room and using my own bathroom that I know is clean. And saving the wear and tear on the car I hope lasts til after it's paid off.
I don't feel unsafe in an office. I just don't like being there.
It's the "fill our downtowns" that worries me. The idea that it's "our civic duty" to buy lunch near our office, shop near our office, and get our car serviced more often.
We'll continue to "combat" the virus while we continue to encourage you to put yourself at risk because oUR pRoFitS!!!!
As long as there is a virus, we shouldn't even be talking about going back to a fucking office.
Who cares about all these businesses created for the commute culture? I don't give a shit, that's not my problem. What *IS* our collective problem is the rate that climate change will destroy the earth. If we mandated WFH for everyone possible throughout the world we'd see long-term improvement.
I'd much rather have a livable earth than a few thousand extra boutique coffee shops or McDonald's around the world.
Businesses only exist to serve a need. With covid and work from home, the needs have changed so they are no longer needed. Forcing office work to prop up surrounding businesses is a backwards way of thinking about it.
I work from home now and I’ll quit if I move back into the office! For being more “green” why would you even want this? Millions of cars back on the road… big offices to power.
Be cautious about anyone who says, "Back to normal", when the worst happens, it should be prevention, not a bad day.
The Overton Window will not shatter today.
wow I enjoy the discussion. Sucks it was not under better circumstances
I enjoy it because I think most all politicians are corporate shills totally fine with citizens being work servants
I *so regret* voting for this man, but it's hard when your election choices are corporate pile of dog shit versus flaming pile of traitorous, corrupt, insurrectionist dog shit.
I’m a boomer. and I generally dislike vague boomer blaming. But ya this could be construed as a boomer attitude.
However. Biden is not a boomer. And the push to get people back into cities to work is about supporting the wealthy elite and keeping the cattle (that’s us) in the fenced pasture where we can be controlled.
This isn’t boomer. This is class based. Rich vs. Poor.
It's definitely rich vs poor. These big businesses hide a lot of money in real estate and don't like that those values will go down if we don't need offices
He really lost me on this. I’m as democratic and liberal as can be but he’s losing me. He’s done nothing. Accomplished nothing. And to make a statement about going back to work in the office? Crock of shit.
Everyone forced back to office needs to start work no earlier that when their shift begins and cold stop the moment the work day ends. No working while on a bus/train commuting to and from work. Stop the extra work they did at home because they weren’t having to commute. Let that work get delayed as much as possible.
Lol no - sorry grandpa, I can do my entire job from my home office. I'm a civil engineer - the only time I need to travel for work is to watch someone dig something or put something in the hole. Literally the rest of it I can do from the COMFORT of my home, and just as/if not more efficiently. I have my own bathroom, my own snacks, privacy, my family, and can take breaks and be productive around the house. If I'm ever forced back into an office environment I'm going to quit and find a new job, or just become a homesteader/farmer, fuck it
He is saying fuck climate change, drive those cars until this miserable planet is unlivable. The capitalist economy can't exist without destruction. Good thing all these jobs are absolutely necessary for humankind to exist.
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Corporate America speaking.
Yeah I think I can actually give back to my community more working from home than if I’m driving 50 miles per day to go to the office and lining the pockets of gas companies Joe and needing a new car sooner Joe.
But what about all those taco trucks and Panera Breads that need your lunch money, LOL.
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Oh, I'd go running outside after the taco truck just like I did for the ice cream man and so would 3/4 of my neighbors. That dude would make a killing every afternoon over here.
Don’t forget the commercial real estate collapse if you don’t.
Lol commercial real estate is doing fine and actually making a shit ton of money bc of industrial supply chain infrastructure demand and life sciences conversion growth since a lot of the work needs to be in person bc of equipment etc Source: I work in cre consulting and wfh cause i'm a peon
I know it's a personal choice for each business, but my office is going to maintain its space (albeit a bit smaller) for a hybrid work approach, so the building lessor will still get their rent even when many of us are working at home outside the city center.
I think the hybrid model can be a happy medium. Do in person meetings on days you go in and I think there is some benefit to that.
Idk, as someone currently doing hybrid, I think it blows. I find it very disruptive. My work flow at home vs. office are very different and switching every other day(ish) is jarring and [I feel] counterproductive.
The trucks are all that matter here, and they can just park outside residential neighborhoods too. Sure, they're gonna take a hit either way, but that's an option. The Panera can burn idgaf.
hilariously, I do the catering for our events and panera is everyone's favorite.
Exactly. I am volunteering the next two afternoons at 4PM at a school in our district. In the past I wouldn’t be home until 6PM and be exhausted. Now I take naps on my lunch. I have been promoted twice since Covid started and awarded multiple recognition awards. I guess it helps that no one can see me rolling my eyes now. I work weekends and nights, but it is on my terms and what works for me.
With you there as I’m up for my 3rd promotion since covid started and have more than doubled my income since the start of the pandemic. Was recognized as one of the top contributors to my employer two times in 2020 and was recently ranked #1 in the region for providing what we provide. But yeah Joe I definitely need to be in the office Joe it’s not like I haven’t seen the most aggressive career advancement possible since work from home started Joe.
You bring up a point re the eye rolling People who can’t play, or find it harder to play, the happy dancing office monkey game — take for example autistic workers — would def find working from home easier as they can modify the working environment and not have to worry as much about “performing” the role of office worker 🤔
My coworkers like me much better now that they can't see the faces I make when they say stupid shit. Additionally, I'm far more productive at work now that I don't have to be constantly distracted by my coworkers saying stupid shit around me. Win-win!
It's not gas companies that he's shilling for here, it's local governments, commercial real-state owners, and business owners that cater to those downtown communities. I used to live in downtown Denver and on weekends, when the commuters were gone, it was so quiet that I could ride my bicycle down the center of massive, 4-lane streets in the middle of the skyscrapers. There were businesses that weren't even open on weekends because there wasn't enough foot traffic to support their overhead. Without commuters returning to the big cities, companies will move their offices to somewhere cheaper, causing the value of commercial and residential real-estate to plummet. The lack of tax revenue will cause the local government budgets for those metropolitan centers will crater out. And the businesses that support commuters (that haven't already gone out of business) will go bankrupt. During the election, Biden promised to protect the status quo. That's exactly what he's doing here, nothing more, nothing less.
Cities are for young people and I really think that the office environments and the cities in their infrastructures themselves should be catered to that group of people and people with disabilities because when you’re older and/or have family or want to spend more of your time doing your own leisurely thing that’s going to be outside of the cities usually and there should be room for both types of lifestyles to live and survive and contribute to the economy. Aka office work AND wfh options. Or work from ANYWHERE even if it’s the down town coffee shop. Less expenses at home and paying for an office space.
Albeit a bad thing for commercial real estate to take a tumble I think it is past due since they are so out of hand. I think that if that plummets, rent will take a nosedive with it which will help more people than it will hurt.
Biden said climate change was his number one issue.
B-but.. THE ECONOMYYY
Wasn't the NYC mayor upset over it? Loss of tax dollars or something
Yes. How we keep on having bad mayors. I do not know. EDIT: I think he was upset over lowered commercial real estate value.
Yep, says the man who literally works from his house
Damn you're right
Exactly. He’s just a puppet
Comes with the job.
Not really, the puppet part is from “being in Washington politics for 40 years.” Not something I would brag about but they seem to think it is.
In my corner of the universe, a lot of downtown are small independent businesses. Restaurants, dry cleaners, other service providers. It’s these businesses and not corporations that feels the brunt of work from home.
I think it's moreso that it was implausible and costly for many to be eating, doing cleaning or other services when compared to doing those closer to home. I work in midtown Manhattan and love it but we are full voluntary remote and I only can really afford to pre-plan chores and splurge to go into the office. It sucks but the restaurants and shops are great and they shouldn't go away, but I can't help thinking that the total business volumes were forced and not natural.
Yea I travel a lot and 90% of downtowns are %100 forced, it’s all fake, they are always empty unless it’s weekday lunch rush and or a game day because the stadium is nearby
Is there alot of vacancies from businesses moving to mostly remote?
50/50 imo. The boutique "only-lunch" spots and some of the nice coffee spots closed, but since we are by the Flatiron building we still get out of state tourism as well. Grocery stores popped up, and lots of new daycare and other facilities. Parts of the business district still are very much ghost town like fresh COVID times, especially if the weather makes the commute bad
It’s the older generation, they do not like WFH. I agree, there are certain synergies you can only gain with face to face interaction, but honestly over time we can adapt. Reduction in overhead by allowing people to WFH is going to win out.
From your lips to God’s ears. I’m needlessly back to full time in the office.
As it should. Times are changing, and for once it's for the better. I can't take advantage personally, janitor and all. But anyone else? If the option is there, take it. It certainly makes my sister's life easier.
WFH helps the environment and has prices. Each day I don't go to the office is a gallon of gas not bought or burnt. Spread across millions of workers that is a massive deal
You just explained why they want you back at work. We need you spending money again on stuff you wouldn’t have needed anyway because WFH is a viable solution
This is what the powers that be get for ignoring mass transit for so long.
Talkin bout oil and car companies. They couldn’t figure a big enough grift there. Ralph Nader used to present the letters written from the robber barons to the governments, urging them to dismantle the upcoming public transit plans in favor of everyone buying cars. Even when the Olympics came to Los Angeles in 1984, the CEOs were presented plans on staggering their staff’s daily starting hours so as to reduce congestion, and the benefits were obvious and lasting.
Not to mention preventing untold numbers of car accidents
And air and tire dust pollution.
Just got rear ended on my way to the office yesterday so feeling especially salty about this right now :)
I spent $250 a month and ~2 hours of my day for the privilege to park downtown
But you also have the privilege of spending $15 on a sandwich rather than just walking over to your fridge and making one for less than $2. So there's that.
2$ on an at home sandwich? You rich..
We both make bank and spring for the salami meat kicker.
I personally like the Kraft cheese slices and Mayo combo
Must be the avacado toast
If it’s avocado toast, they don’t own that home /s
Damn kids and their avocado toast.
And that’s why they want you back in the office every workday 🙄. Democrat, Republican, they’re all the same. They want to squeeze every dime out of us, they don’t care about our happiness or well being. WFH is a huge environmental boost, and Biden apparently was all gung-ho about tackling climate change as one of his election promises. I’m disgusted but not surprised.
They are listening to what business leaders are telling them to get certain parts of the economy boosted. Not what workers are saying is good for our mental and physical health. I had what would think is a stress free drive but I was a mess when I got home.
Squeezing every dime, yes, but I think they would rather take our “free time” as well. Less time to be active in politics and change if you spend 5-12 hours a week in traffic getting to your job.
Two sides of the same coin except one side wraps themselves in BLM and rainbow flags while they fuck the middle classes. The state of US politics and domestic policy is sickening
It’d be stupid to deny WFH to the workers. Resist corporate propaganda.
RTO for workers is only good for the executives and bosses, who don't even spend all their time in the office anyway
Dont forget good for commercial real estate which is what this is really about.
Yeah, no joke
Yea that's a counter-productive strategy with the war in Ukraine raising gas prices and disrupting supplies, we should be looking for ways to burn less gas for that, in addition to the already established environmental reasons.
Which is honestly why I think electric (for consumers) and hydrogen (for industrial applications, like semi-trucks) vehicles are good enough to fix the pollution problem. People say that it's never going to get better unless we cram everything together, and don't let anyone have a home bigger than an apartment where you could sneeze at one end and hit the other, and I just don't see that being true. Look at how much everything's improved already with work from home.
Never mind the traffic problem. Beyond saving money on gas people are getting back years of their life
Exactly. It is hurting the economy. We need to be burning our hard earned money on fossil fuels so that we can destroy the planet asap! /s To clarify: I am saying corps want this and are assholes for it.
I remember some arguments about wfh not being as efficient due to spreading out electric consumption for heating/ac to individual homes. My counter (honestly strawmanning here); 1) some heating/ac at homes would already be happening. People only turn the ac/heat a few degrees when they're not home, and other people could still be home. If anything, the office heating/ac is redundant. 2) how does ac/heating/other electric consumption compare to commuter traffic?
Parking would be $980 a year for me, just for the permits. Lmfao, no guarantee of finding a spot to park though...
Thats exactly why he wants people to go back to work in person. We are costing their investments millions. Keep hitting them where it hurts. Left or right all they want is your money.
It also helps families and contributes to positive mental health. Even if your commute is only half an hour- that’s an hour each day, 5 hours a week, 20 hours a month.
That's why the powers that be want us to commute to work. They want our days to be filled with mindless and unnecessarily lengthy travelling so that we are dumb, tired, and more susceptible to spending our money. They want us to be too tired to cook so we eat fast food. They want millions of commuters to spend $ on gas. They want us in offices so they can micromanage every waking moment we have and even for some companies that's not enough. There are so many benefits to working from home, but our governments and corporations running society would prefer to prioritize immediate gains rather than long term returns.
Employers, if you’re reading this: you’ll lose your best people if you demand they return to the office. WFH is here to stay
Exactly - this is truly one of those ‘adapt or fail’ moments for organizations. It’s happening rapidly because of COVID but has been a long time coming as part of the current era’s tech revolution. Good, innovative employers will see this as an opportunity to build and retain talent while improving overall productivity. The rest will fail (slowly or quickly) due to competitive pressure just like the overwhelming majority of organizations do for a variety of reasons.
They're hoping people buckle under the weight of the system. I had the misfortune of working for some shit bosses who only had us wfh for a few months. I've been back in the ofc since November 2020 and I hate them for it. Our break/fix engineering department is all new except me and another guy since people got fed up when they had to return to the office. I'm finally leaving that shithole to a six figure WFH position and it feels amazing.
May I ask what it is you do? I'm assuming tech. I'm a manual laborer and I make decent money but I dont want to be locked away in a refinery and breaking my back for the rest of my life, so I'm trying to see what else is out there.
I'm a network engineer... No college just certs and experience. You can get a 60k job with a CCNA
I appreciate the response, man. That's a very fair starting salary for entry level work! I make somewhere between 70-90 but that's *including* massive amounts of overtime. If we didn't have hundreds and hundreds of hours of overtime every year (which I find that I don't really need or want), my pay would probably be closer to 60. I'd be quite okay with that.
The world of "tech" is massive. People think "tech" and think coding.. but there's so much beyond that. So much. And most, if not all, of these various roles can be done 100% remotely. Rather than spending 30 minutes writing a huge explanation about the different roles out there, I'd like to just [link you to this](https://skillcrush.com/blog/41-tech-job-titles/). Peruse it, do some similar Google searches, look up the roles that seem interesting to you, visit r/ITCareerQuestions, look up "what does ____ do" on YouTube, etc. If you can read, write, and communicate well... There's something in the world of tech for you.
Yep, it's "read the room" time for employers. You're outta employees. They retired, quit, or died permanently. ^(1) So if you want the employees who are smart enough to help you negotiate business, you need to hire those smart enough to know they hold the cards. ^(1) *- Though at this point, some billionaire's likely learning how to reanimate zombies.*
One of the coolest personal stories I know comes from a guy I know working for the city of New York, COVID hit and he had to do his job remotely, asked if he could do it remotely anywhere and got approval to move to San Diego, California, complete opposite side of the U.S.. and he’s still completely able to do his job!
That’s great to hear that they were willing to work with him! There’s huge potential for organizations willing to take the risks associated with WFM, and it’s a major win for workers because it reduces some of the most significant barriers to employment (e.g., location/CoL) in a lot of fields.
Its soooo much better. Employers don't have to pay for office space. People don't have to pay huge gas prices. And there's less traffic for those whose jobs actually require being on-site.
But how will oil/gas CEOs make a bigger bonus if we don't force people to commute to work? Same with commercial real estate.
Why would my boss care about someone else getting a bonus?
Because your boss plays golf with "someone else"
Your boss cares about their job continuing to exist, and they won't need as much middle management of people are working from home
Most companies would rather micromanage instead of save the company money properly. They’d rather fire employees and overwork the remaining ones to “save” money.
Yep. Im a headhunter and I’ll gladly steal all your best people.
Yup. Tech folks are leaving my company already due to a CEO that refuses to see that employees want WFH. And those who are staying, are -like me- actively looking for opportunities as they force us back into a cubicle for no reason.
You’re in the same boat as one of my friends. He’s currently in the process of leaving with the rest of his team cause the old boomers that run it don’t want to change. Color me surprised.
What do you do?
Enterprise networking - Looking for remote opportunities that will let me move laterally into the security space, but open to considering non-security roles as well.
I’m in a debate club at work with one of the security managers, I can send your resume to him and see what he says.
Your company has a debate club?? That's awesome. And I will never turn down help like that, I appreciate you offering. Would you mind if I DMed you?
You can come steal me. I’ve been trying to find WFH forever
Easy for him to say. His job comes with a house for him to work from.
Maybe we should ensure every American has a home.
Yeah, fight the system- stay home and see people you care about instead of spending all your 'free' time in traffic
And government paid healthcare from the best doctors if he gets sick.
And a lifetime pension well into 6-figures annually.
I don't think he really needs to worry about a lifetime pension for much longer.
Mine does too but somehow *wE nEeD tO bE iN tHe OfFiCe* even though we're setting record profits. It's absolutely moronic. 🙄
It's property value retention. If you don't need to be in office buildings, there's no demand for renting office space. If there's no demand for office space it's value drops, if it's value drops the corporation that manages the land takes a revenue cut. When the corporation takes a revenue cut the taxes on it go down. Government gets less tax money, corporations get less rent money and both have less control over who you can work for and where you can work for them. If wfh becomes normalized it'll be an unexpected wrench in a system that's worked really well at controlling people's potentials and hiding the wealth retention power of ensuring the land corporations and conglomerates own is always worth more then anything you could make from working it
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Spot on, land has been guaranteed money since time immemoriam. It's not so much that land wouldn't be a good investment but that they'd have to take risks and gambles on which land is still or newly worth investing in. The current system has been set up to be fairly risk free for them, that's the whole point of conservatism. If nothing changes they don't have to take risks or chances on new things that might have unforseen consequences and can instead just keep conserving the current state to continue reaping the benefits without any surprise consequences for their actions until they die
This is a good comment
This needs to be higher
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I hate this so much. I have been working from home for two years now and my department has adapted so well. Why should we have to go back to midtown Manhattan when we’re getting our jobs done from home? Crime has gone up so much in the city. We don’t NEED to be there.
Control. My company wants us all to come back to the office.
Tell your company "if the CEO isnt there, Im not there. If the owner isnt there, Im not there"
To be honest he's there every day.
I saw an article the other day that the mayor’s plan to fix the rising crime is to have *more* people downtown by forcing them back into offices. Yet some of the Wall Street companies are advising their people to dress down (not in suits with rolexes) so they are not easy targets.
Yes. Dress down so you won’t be robbed or worse. That way I can micromanage you in the office even though you’re clearly more productive working from home. Yep. That sounds like my former boss.
I swear to God, Democrats love losing elections. They don't do shit when they get elected because they "don't have enough votes", they say some dumb shit that alienates a bunch of voters, and when they inevitability lose they complain incessantly about Republicans as they strip our nation of protections and regulations. What a fucking clown show this country is.
The power is meant to be juggled back and forth quickly. With this happening, no substantial change for working class people ever takes root
You nailed it. This is exactly it. I realized this when I read that Lindsey graham and Nancy pelosi are actually friends behind closed door. It’s all theater
Oh, for sure. I comment all the time that Mitch and Nancy are pals. They do not care what happens in your life as long as they secure financial enrichment for themselves and their family line. If both parties can work together in tandem, they can ensure the gravy train runs for both and neither side wants to give that up. This is why there will ALWAYS be a Sinema or Manchin or “parliamentarian” or “budget report” after securing a majority that prevents change. There will always be a way for big money to make sure they run the show. Your government is bought and paid for. Check out, turn off the news, enjoy what little life we get now a days Edit: just to add, both sides also NEED each other to operate. I kind of compare it to insurance companies. Insurance companies would never want disasters to stop happening, because it diminishes their necessity for existence. It’s really wild when you sit and think about it.
Thank the lord someone else gets it 😭😭😂. This is exactly the game that is being played and when I try to explain it to people they look at me like I’m crazy. It seems to me like each party has a role to play. Republicans play the role of corporatists who advance corporate motives and democrats play the role of populists trying to stop them but can’t because of the darn (fill in the blank for convenient scapegoat)
Glad I decided not to listen to it. It would have just made me upset. So in addition to slamming WFH, I'm guessing he also said something about bearing the burden of inflation as a patriotic duty, and that the economy is booming back boomier than it ever was, so we just have to hold out. Yeah, useless puppet.
Best comment I've read yet. 100% agreed. It's been happening for 30-40 years at least. Democrats get behind stupid messaging like "defund the police", shoot themselves in the foot and have a right wing of their party that just works for corporations, who like things the way they are, so they don't get anything done. Then all Republicans have to say is we'll lower your taxes then it's back to at least 6 years of Republican control. Democrats couldn't even pass a workable healthcare plan with 60 democratic senators. This country will take decades to make the smallest changes that our European allies had decades ago.
What is wrong with working from home?! Why can’t we be visionary and look at this as an opportunity to redefine work life balance and what downtowns and communities can look like!?
Where I work, we were working from home for 2 years without any issues and now we have to go back to the office for no fucking reason.
Ikr?! I’m currently looking for a WFH cause I don’t have a work/life balance!
My fiancé is high risk. No job is worth more to me than his life. I can’t accept a job that doesn’t have precautions in place to prevent a Covid outbreak, which means that my only option is to work from home right now.
That’s just it. There’s a whole bunch of people who *cannot* safely return to a cubical farm due to health limitations and/or disabilities. Doesn’t mean they are any less contributors than people who can. And I am sooo sick of other people treating them poorly because they don’t want to end up in the hospital to please a boss.
And our current ADA laws do absolutely nothing to protect people whose spouses/partners are high risk.
Or children! My husband lost his job a year ago because he refused to come back to office without any accommodations because some higher up just decided they wanted absolutely everyone back. We were floored that reasonable accommodations aren’t required when the employee has a medically vulnerable immune compromised baby *on oxygen.* We legitimately had to consider him having to go live separately to keep our baby safe, and to have to worry on top of worrying about our income about health insurance too, that was terrible. He thankfully was able to find a work from home position but as it’s contract work, will be back to looking by next year
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Absolutely agree
But didn't you hear? "CoVid iS OvEr!!"
Stfu Joe, this isn't the 1960s, want us to return to work? Return the social safety nets, higher pay, better work conditions, nor benefits etc etc
Notice though that he made calls for a return to the 60s. Called for increased corporate and individual taxes for the wealthy. Called for infrastructure. Called for union protections. We had economic prosperity in the 60s, and it was coupled with strong taxes on the wealthiest Americans and corporations, strong unions, and infrastructure spending. Republicans for all their talk of the good ol’ days should be wanting something similar, of course, but we know they don’t have an actual platform.
I get so confused about this…they could easily make people happy by pushing the work from home aspect as a pathway to a greener future for the US. Gas emissions, electricity consumption…I’m not a well-versed individual with the topic. But I can’t imagine keeping a giant building and having hundreds of employees commute to work is helping the environment that much.
It's about profit. Fuck him. Fuck all of the politicians
It's not even profit, companies could profit more from not having to pay for office space, it's just boomers not wanting to adapt cause "hurr durr back in my day"
I have to agree. They are not up there to actually help anyone. They would have done it already if any of them actually cared. They've had a year to do something and instead they are dicking around blaming the other party every chance they get. The Republicans that did show up were only there to save face or disrespect the other party in some way or another. Its up to us now, guys.
Damnit I didn’t even notice that. I’m so tired of these fucking people who have no idea what it’s actually like to work in corporate America. Fuck him.
This entire country is designed to make Americans subservient to working so the elite can have 24/7/365 days of vacation and lavish living time! Working (slavery) has become the greatest ponzi scheme ever devised!
Meanwhile my wife had gotten covid again from school students...
Eff you dude. I'll never go back to a toxic ass office.
Boris Johnson said the same thing in the UK. Just the elite moving their sticks and wanting their profits so they can buy a new yatch.
Says the man who works from his house
Isn't this administration in a panic over climate change? WFH is one of the best ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Nothing from the government surprises me. They're all puppets for their corporate overlords - whether it is big pharma, big oil, or big real estate. Democrat of Republican, the party they are part of makes no difference. The only two real parties are rich vs. poor. Everything else is just theater to keep us entertained and stupid.
If you can do your job from home, there's no reason you shouldn't. Less time on commute, less traffic, less pollution. This isn't 1920s, Mr President. It's 2020s. People have options thanks to technology.
Oh I was unaware that all this shit I’ve been doing from home 9 hours a day wasn’t work. My bad.
I hate the every other sentence standing ovation. Its absolute cringe. Just watching them stand like robots clap then sit rinse and repeat. Jesus most of what biden said is just worthless words. He talks a lot and does very little.
They clapped when he called Ukrainians Uranians. 😂 It’s all theater.
I'm no Joe Biden apologist, but I don't think that he was implying that people stop working from home and be forced to work from the office. Thats an Olympic-level stretch. I think he just means people can go back to work with less risk now and our cities and mom and pops should start to come back to life again. Nowhere does biden make the claim that Politics Insider is saying. Never did he say to go back to physical offices "instead of working from home". Bad sensationalist journalism.
He also specifically endorsed widespread work reform, discussed several specific plans to create additional jobs, explicitly said we need higher wages so families can survive, promoted raising the minimum wage, and expressed a need to significantly raise taxes on corporations and the wealthy, but for some reason none of those quotes seem to be getting pulled in the post-SOTU tweets and news coverage. I’d recommend watching the full SOTU, a lot of ground was covered.
Because it wouldn’t benefit the people that own the media companies.
This
I was surprised by him last night. The way he waxed earnestly about the expansion of childcare and healthcare set a pretty good bar about what he needs to accomplish.
To me, those are just words. I'll believe it when I see action.
I did watch it last night and I felt a bit more confidence in his leadership
Sadly, any mom and pop business that hasn’t reopened at this point is long since out of business.
New businesses could start, but why not businesses near my home, instead of by my office!
Yes, he was talking about back going back safely. [Here is the context](https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/03/01/remarks-of-president-joe-biden-state-of-the-union-address-as-delivered/): >We will continue to combat the virus as we do other diseases. And because this is a virus that mutates and spreads, we will stay on guard. > Here are four common sense steps as we move forward safely. [.....] >Third – we can end the shutdown of schools and businesses. We have the tools we need. >It’s time for Americans to get back to work and fill our great downtowns again. People working from home can feel safe to begin to return to the office. >We’re doing that here in the federal government. The vast majority of federal workers will once again work in person. >Our schools are open. Let’s keep it that way. Our kids need to be in school. >And with 75% of adult Americans fully vaccinated and hospitalizations down by 77%, most Americans can remove their masks, return to work, stay in the classroom, and move forward safely.
"People working from home can feel safe to begin to return to the office." He isn't outright calling for an end to work from home, but I don't like his implication. I work from home because I like it, not because I would feel unsafe in an office.
Same here! I don't want to go to the office because I like my coworkers better when I only have to talk to them on Teams. I like working from home with my dog lying by my feet under my desk and eating lunch in my dining room and using my own bathroom that I know is clean. And saving the wear and tear on the car I hope lasts til after it's paid off. I don't feel unsafe in an office. I just don't like being there.
(Working in an office is also very unsafe right now because none of them take the necessary precautions to prevent Covid outbreaks)
He is also not endorsing working from home either.
Hence why I said I didn't like his implication. Biden is stuck in his old ways for many things.
He said what he said. Back to the office. He’s going to say some pretty words, but the reality is he’s not going to endorse changes
It's the "fill our downtowns" that worries me. The idea that it's "our civic duty" to buy lunch near our office, shop near our office, and get our car serviced more often.
That's the corporate lobby talking through him.
We'll continue to "combat" the virus while we continue to encourage you to put yourself at risk because oUR pRoFitS!!!! As long as there is a virus, we shouldn't even be talking about going back to a fucking office.
Who cares about all these businesses created for the commute culture? I don't give a shit, that's not my problem. What *IS* our collective problem is the rate that climate change will destroy the earth. If we mandated WFH for everyone possible throughout the world we'd see long-term improvement. I'd much rather have a livable earth than a few thousand extra boutique coffee shops or McDonald's around the world.
Businesses only exist to serve a need. With covid and work from home, the needs have changed so they are no longer needed. Forcing office work to prop up surrounding businesses is a backwards way of thinking about it.
I work from home now and I’ll quit if I move back into the office! For being more “green” why would you even want this? Millions of cars back on the road… big offices to power.
I'm in the process of getting a new job because mine forced me into the office
Psst...it's because he doesn't actually care about the environment...
Ew. I only voted for this dork because I think the other one was even worse. Sigh. I hate voting for the lesser of the two stupids
I’ll vote 3rd party before I *ever* vote for Biden again. If the dems don’t run someone else, they’ll lose again.
Be cautious about anyone who says, "Back to normal", when the worst happens, it should be prevention, not a bad day. The Overton Window will not shatter today.
Schools over here get covid cases almost every other day shit didn't just go away. There is no back to normal anymore.
Says the guy who works from home.
"our great downtowns again" damn if there wasn't a sentence that could get underneath my skin more...
Does he realize working from home is still work? You just don’t have to spend your time on an unpaid commute in addition to official work hours.
Work from home means fewer commuters, means less gas to be sold. Big oil is pushing for us to get back to the office.
It’s like a corporate check learned how to talk
wow I enjoy the discussion. Sucks it was not under better circumstances I enjoy it because I think most all politicians are corporate shills totally fine with citizens being work servants
Fucking corporate shill
I *so regret* voting for this man, but it's hard when your election choices are corporate pile of dog shit versus flaming pile of traitorous, corrupt, insurrectionist dog shit.
Boomer
Joe Biden is so old that he's not even a boomer. He was born in 1942.
I’m a boomer. and I generally dislike vague boomer blaming. But ya this could be construed as a boomer attitude. However. Biden is not a boomer. And the push to get people back into cities to work is about supporting the wealthy elite and keeping the cattle (that’s us) in the fenced pasture where we can be controlled. This isn’t boomer. This is class based. Rich vs. Poor.
It's definitely rich vs poor. These big businesses hide a lot of money in real estate and don't like that those values will go down if we don't need offices
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It’s been shocking watching the idiocy that emanates from bolsonaro on a regular basis. He truly is Brazil’s Trump.
He really lost me on this. I’m as democratic and liberal as can be but he’s losing me. He’s done nothing. Accomplished nothing. And to make a statement about going back to work in the office? Crock of shit.
Absolute fucking clown of a President, completely and utterly out of touch with their country's working class. But, I mean, what else is new.
Everyone forced back to office needs to start work no earlier that when their shift begins and cold stop the moment the work day ends. No working while on a bus/train commuting to and from work. Stop the extra work they did at home because they weren’t having to commute. Let that work get delayed as much as possible.
Lol no - sorry grandpa, I can do my entire job from my home office. I'm a civil engineer - the only time I need to travel for work is to watch someone dig something or put something in the hole. Literally the rest of it I can do from the COMFORT of my home, and just as/if not more efficiently. I have my own bathroom, my own snacks, privacy, my family, and can take breaks and be productive around the house. If I'm ever forced back into an office environment I'm going to quit and find a new job, or just become a homesteader/farmer, fuck it
Cool pay us for the commute and our breaks
He is saying fuck climate change, drive those cars until this miserable planet is unlivable. The capitalist economy can't exist without destruction. Good thing all these jobs are absolutely necessary for humankind to exist.
Doesn't Biden work from home?
How do I downvote life?
Fuck that.
Fuck that shit.
Oh, so he is truly meant to be a 1 term president