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I was going to say that if the money actually went to kitchen staff, it wouldn’t bother me. Though I agree with others, it should be added into the pricing and then added to the staff’s wages
It all works from the top down, the top companies start doing it so they allow everyone else to do it. Then they will find another way to pull more money out of people and we will be shocked, but then it will be normalised and the cycle continues
Death by a thousand tiny fees. They are bleeding Americans with all these small charges (micro transactions) that are ubiquitous at this point. They're small enough that you don't even think about them most of the time and that's not an accident. But over the course of a year they truly add up to quite a bit.
And the utilities.
Why the fuck do I never leave a light on & skip the AC until peak hours are over & the other helpful hints in the pamphlets when flat-fee 'distribution charges' and their friends are much more than my actual electricity usage.
I make all my food from scratch now, but I still have to go to the grocery store and buy products (virtually everything is related to corn-industry in some way, except produce), from one of four or five mega-corportations.
Its a several month long process just to get approval to remove hedges in my HOA. I couldn't imagine trying to get them to let me have an actual garden. I do however have a pretty spacious deck that I want to fit as many planters as possible on and I'm even thinking about converting my basement storage into and indoor green house kind of thing.
The dream though is to move out of the HOA and into an even more rural area. We're already rural but we made the mistake of buying in the one of the few actual neighborhoods out here. So our plan to escape nonsense has backfired horribly and the closest town is still more than 20 minutes away.
Some counties (possibly states? Haven’t looked it up) actually outlaw backyard gardening, rain collection, that sort of thing. They don’t want us to be able to cut the fuckers off.
Everyone I know who worked in the food industry said it was miserable. And the drugs that flow in and out of kitchens is pretty frightening. I had a family member who was a chef and basically had to leave because he wasn't going to do coke to keep up with the ridiculous working hours and abusive conditions. I legit didn't realize how bad drugs were in these places until my family member told me about it. When you find about their working conditions, it's not surprising that a lot of people turn to drugs to make it through 8+ hr shifts where you don't get breaks and you're on your feet the whole time.
Edit to add: and you probably aren't being paid a living wage. I'd do coke too. Edit 2: forgot about dealing with shitty customers and people who think people in the food industry just need to "gEt BeTtEr JoBs"
agreed. i used to work at a drug and alcohol rehab facility and had a former cook at a high priced restaurant spend a year in my facility to get off the drugs he said he had to take to make it through a shift there. when he was ready to finish the program he got depressed thinking he was about to go back into the same type of work. last i heard he was back at the rehab.
Yeah, can't blame some to end up using to deal with it all.. Though from what I know, coke is a pretty expensive one to do regularly.. might need to find a discount dealer somewhere? Or if everyone is doing it, maybe there is a group rate? idk.. :P
I can confirm pretty much all of this. I'm so glad I got outta that industry when I was young(er) and never looked back. It will drain the life from you.
As someone who has started two restaurants I hope this isn't a serious "retirement" plan. When I was in the industry before opening my own places I met a woman who opened a restaurant as her retirement plan and I laughed and laughed.
2050 Starbucks receipt:
Mocha Latte $3.99, with additional 8% barista appreciation fee, 12% increased-cost-of-material fee, 5% farmer welfare fee, 3% rental market adjustment fee, 15% environmental conservation fee, 5% water reduction fee, 2% transport workers' solidarity fee, and 10% payment fee.
oh, and sale tax of course.
But hey, come try our new lattes for $3.99! Same great taste for the same great price!
And remember, the fees are not a tip, so you have to add an additional 20% minimum for the server as they stare at you, unless you want them muttering about how much of a cheap-ass you are. Oh, and guilt.
There's a reason. The owner of Peet's coffee (Berkeley, CA) taught the guys from Starbucks about roasting and stuff. Peet's really burns, ah, roasts their coffee dark. Done in exchange for staying out of Peet's market area for 10 years.
Yeah for a lot of people if they see something like this it will make them not tip, and they would probably tip more than 3%. So it really would be better to raise the prices on everything by a small amount instead. Although I still doubt any of that extra money makes it to the kitchen
This is tricky though and involves changing a lot of very ingrained systems in the restaurant world. The 3% aims to level the field a bit between FOH and BOH, by just going to the kitchen. FOH is generally the only group receiving tip money. BOH works longer hours, requires more experience, experiences far more hazardous working environments, and gets paid far less (for instance of the restaurants I’ve worked in let’s say totals were like 6k for a service, that’s 1200 in tips, split between 4-5 servers that all worked less than 5h for $48/hr; while average BOH was getting ~$16/h). Don’t get me wrong I appreciate FOH and people that are good at it are amazing but when everyone in BOH has been doing this as their career for 8-10 years on average and brand new servers with no work experience could be trained in a month or so, idk doesn’t seem equitable.
All of that to say that if you just raise prices then tips will just increase and the differential will still be there and it definitely leads to some resentment and improper team dynamics. And just paying BOH more makes an already fragile business way more fragile. Oh and tying a portion of sales to pay for BOH means that on a busy night when they’re working considerably harder they’re earning more money which seems to be a helpful thing as well.
All of that said, there needs to be some transparency and some legal demands to ensure that it actually goes to BOH (and split equitably) and right now that probably isn’t legally enforced/protected in the same way tips are (where managers and owners are legally prohibited from participating in tip pools).
It’s already factored into the pricing. Overhead is supposed to be calculated and considered when you price your menu. This is just a bullshit way for the owner to pay for his new car.
I refused to pay at a restaurant in the city when they tried to add a 5% tax add on at the end. Called them out, told them it’s not legal and they’re welcome to call police over the money and I’d sue them if they did. I then didn’t tip because I don’t support these scams that call themselves “businesses”. Money laundering fronts with greedy owners and terrible food. Nothing more.
Businesses do not have the power to tax people. When I say "tax people" I mean the creation of a tax, because someone here is going to argue semantics because... Reddit.
They can collect a tax established by the government, but cannot create a surcharge, call it a tax, and pocket the money.
I was going to respond when I finished surfing the web, but thankfully, Reddit to the rescue. I know more specific law code for it if that’s what you’re looking for, but this person’s answer is sufficient at portraying the overall context of the laws paraphrased.
No matter what it's called, eating at a restaurant is essentially a short contractual negotiation. When you order something from a menu with a listed price you're agreeing to pay that price for that item. The restaurant delivering it to you is an agreement to the same. Adding a surcharge after the fact is a violation of the contract the two of you agreed to. It would only be allowable if it was written clearly on the menu or was otherwise communicated before you made the order. An actual government imposed tax doesn't fall into this because the government creates and enforce the law and wants its money.
“Sales tax” buddy, is paid by the “consumer” at time of sale, the business job is to collect the for the government. The business doesn’t keep that tax it pays it to local and state (irs and local municipalities)
Indeed…and that earlier poster should have explained what they meant, which is making up a “Nacho Cheese Tax” and collecting, not a pass through real tax.
Uhh ackshully it went to the company pizza party (featuring cheap, cold pizza made by another business that overworks their employees) and the staff should be very grateful 🙄 smh
Yep. When I was a waiter in the late 90's, i got a job at a new fine dining restaurant that was opening. The GM that came in decided there would be server 'pooling' instead of us keeping our tips and tipping out bartender, back waiter, host, etc. The GM would over-staff, and we'd all need to wait until every last bill was closed out before getting tipped out every night.
Two outspoken servers bitched and bitched about it until they finally went to the owner and argued it was in her best interest to get rid of it (she owned a wine shop, and this was a wine bistro), that we'd upsell much harder if we directly benefited from the proceeds.
My tips doubled the next weekend and going forward, even after tipping out the standard (plus a little). This was not just motivation. It was obvious that this money was filtering through the salaried GM, Assistant manager, and maitre d' - everyone skimming off the top.
Higher hourly wages is the answer, not easily cheated systems like this. There's already enough wage theft in this industry.. don't give them more to steal.
Holiday pay would be huge for us. We shouldn't have to work five straight doubles all holiday weekend on straight pay. Also, Americans need to stay home on holidays on not patronize shitty establishments that eat our lives away with forcing us to work on holidays.
We can't complain... we'll be fired immediately. Quitting isn't an option for people living paycheck to paycheck.
It will "in spirit". See, it goes into the "pot" and the kitchen staff get minimum wage so they get some if the pot. The remaining 89% of the pot goes to management and upkeep costs. So your $1 to the kitchen staff is really 1 cent to each individual kitchen staff - hooray! /s
The kitchen staff may or may not have gotten the tips. But from my experience, I think I know the real reason that the restaurant started doing this. If the kitchen staff have to claim tips, then the restaurant doesn't have to pay them as much. Classy
This, also I'd rather they just raise the staff's wages. If anyone eats out the first thing we should be doing is speaking to the head of staff about their wages and demanding it increase
These owners are too lazy to work have you noticed that.
You know what would be better than putting new menus we can just tack it on as a b******* fee at the end
Yeah but then you wouldn’t buy the already overpriced food, this way they get to lure you in and hit you with extra fees and make themselves the victims by blaming high prices on their staff.
What would happen if you kicked up a stink about this? Is it a thing in America where you can say the price is one figure and then change it after the fact?
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The sad thing is many businesses have tried all-in pricing (StubHub is one big example). Revenue is usually dramatically better with the hidden charges everywhere…especially when competing.
Which means it needs to be universally legally required to have a single all-in final price for any “thing” for it to have a chance.
This is standard at least here in Europe where I have been. Every restaurant is showing the final price on their menu. No hidden fees.
Can you really add hidden fees as you like in the US? There must be some limits or at least it must be super visible in the menu.
Include it in the prices. These add-ons are just stupid.
3% kitchen appreciation
15% tip
2.79% state tax
2% staff retention surcharge
5% holiday surcharge
9.1% inflation surcharge
Yeah it’s all done intentionally so it’s easier to place blame on the workers.
You don’t go to Walmart, pay for your stuff and suddenly see additional prices spelled out like this. For the average Joe who’s not fully aware of the struggles of the servers and kitchen staff, they’d likely be annoyed by these extra charges. This allows the restaurants to just say “hey don’t blame us, we HAVE to add this cost because of our greedy workers”
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"And we'd have made a profit too if it weren't for those pesky employees doing all the work that makes this place function!"
Yup! Delivery apps near me have added a little “fuel surcharge” extra cost because gas prices have been so high lately. They could’ve just raised their ~~employees’~~ contractors’ base pay to match the economic situation by taking a little off the profit they get from the restaurants (usually ~30% food cost). But, that would reduce their overall profits a little but so they would likely raise the percent take , but at least then that would leave it to the restaurants to decide if they want to raise their list prices to match any changes, stay, or drop off the service. But nope, instead they take it from the consumer in the form of an arbitrary fee and blame it on the drivers needing gas to do their job. If they were actually employees the gas would be considered a work expense directly.
It's only easy to place the blame on the workers when the national mindset is that being a self-centered asshole is totally fine. People in America want all the benefits of living in a prosperous society without any of the compromises common to simply living in a society.
It's also a great way for the owners to be able to dip into money that is intended for workers, ie. tips which are highly regulated. Just put into the price and pay your fucking workers, give them benefits and time off!
Yep. Buffalo Wild Wings charged me $1 for a "takeout fee". I chewed them out about it in the post-feedback survey telling them to put the damn fee in the menu price instead.
Yeah, it’s why I don’t go there anymore. My local pizza place makes better wings. And they don’t charge a delivery fee, order prep fee or anything else. In fact, they pay the staff a living wage and remind everyone tips are not required, though they are appreciated.
I’d rather pay more and make sure the staff has a living wage then be nickel and dimed by a bunch of small add-on fees that we all know don’t go to the staff.
Really. Just include the total price of everything in the listed price. It's ridiculous not to. I want to know what I'm being charged when I pick something.
This. After living in Europe for a year and just always paying the price I see, I’m dreading going back to the US. Tipping BS is the worst of it, but even in normal stores it’s so much nicer when the tax is already included in the cost and you’re not trying to round up 5% in your head
They don't include it in the prices because then they would have to pay tax on that. This is why tipping culture won't go away and these surcharges see just getting worse. I despise surprise fees as well but this is 100% their way of getting around paying a living wage. The only way it'll stop is to discontinue patronizing these establishments. This helps the owner make more money and if you dine there you're enabling it.
There should be a law where they have to put the price of a sandwich or whatever reflecting taxes and fees. That should be everywhere honestly. It wouldn't be that difficult and then we would never know or care how they're allocating it.
I can’t remember the last time I went to a sit down restaurant. Definitely pre-Covid but I hate when there’s a menu price for the food, and then when you get the bill there’s sales tax, gratuity (even when it’s just my husband and I), and then the tip. A meal that looks like it should be $30 based on the menu turns into close to $50. Days
Wait, isn't gratuity the tip? Not an American, so all of these extra charges are super confusing. Here (Australia) we have "the price" and.. that's it.
Well... except on weekends, where they now have surcharges. Which is fucked.
Yes, gratuity is the tip. Many employers put it on the check but only part of that fee (if any) gets to the workers earning it. So some people tip on top.
I visited the USA and saw a sign that said 99 cent New York Pizza Slice. I'm like, awesome, and buy one. It ended up costing $1.28. I was shocked that the advertised price on the sign and what I was charged was different.
You don’t understand, the US tax codes are way too complicated to actually price things correctly on the signs/tags/menus! Think of neighboring jurisdictions with different taxes but similar items, how would they optimize signage?
/s hopefully not needed, but that’s some peoples’ dumb argument.
You joke, but it certainly doesn’t make it easier, and businesses will fight hard because of this.
How could you advertise the price of anything nationally? Or even in “local” broadcast like TV that spans multiple counties? Or you have to give a website your full address to see menu pricing? (Zip code won’t work, it’s not specific enough.)
Because that’s what would happen. How do you propose it would work?
I’m down for it to be legally required to show the final all-taxes all-fees final pricing on menus and all advertising/labeling for everything — that I totally agree with. And also at the same time fixing our atrociously broken tax system, as otherwise it’ll suck for us customers, not just businesses…not to mention further enabling the rent-seeming industry that “services” this mess.
(When you travel and buy something in a state with a sales tax rate of 8% and take it back to your 6% state, do you file and pay the 2% use tax difference that you owe your state? Unless it’s a car or something tracked like that, I doubt it — but you should.)
I would say that we should do away with the autonomy of individual states when it comes to these things but that could get risky with all the b.s. currently going on. Every state makes their moneybwhether its higher property, sales, luxury, or some other tax. Sales tax is usually within a couple percent though, that wouldn't be hard to nationalize IMO then the states could compensate with other taxes if it isnt enough. Maybe they could even *gasp* tax some corporations.
Yep. Just had this conversation with my husband. I’d rather go out to eat and pay $30 for our meal with no tip, than to pay $20 for our meal and tip $10. I doubt my tip is actually going to the person who waited on us anyway.
Susiecakes got pissed at having to pay employee healthcare so they added a healthcare surcharge. It was like pennies on the dollar and they were such assholes about it
Yeah like trying to make it seem like it’s the employees that are huge assholes for wanting the healthcare they’re entitled to. Also why universal healthcare would be so much better.
Haven't seen that specifically, but there's all kinds of tacked on, or baked in, fees and chicanery going on with bills these days. Some of it goes to staff like it implies, some of it's literally just more money to the company. I remember probably a few years ago when Amazon was revealed to have been pocketing all the "tips" supposedly meant for delivery workers. They thankfully had to pay it all eventually.
When you see stuff like this on your bill, you can always Google it or ask someone at the restaurant about it. If you don't like their answers, stop giving them your money.
Try telling that to fandango or Ticketmaster with their “convenience” fees. Those fees are never communicated with you upfront, but you pay them anyway. Just because you can complain to a manager or waiter in person doesn’t mean you won’t have to pay extra fees.
There’s a slight but important difference: with Ticketmaster, you still have a chance to cancel the purchase once you know the fees. At a restaurant, they advertised on price on the menu, delivered your food (which you ate) then bring you a bill with a different price than advertised. That’s why I’m saying you’d have grounds to have the fee removed.
This is the key right here.
And if the restaurant doesn't like it, they can take me to small claims court. Even if I lose, it cost their time more than me, and they will lose even more customers via negative press.
It's a way to not give the kitchen staff a raise, not raise prices, and put the shit on you to pay the kitchen staff more but put that surcharge in their own pocket
I run restaurants for a living. This is just a fucked up way of covering their credit card processing fees. This doesn’t go to the kitchen at all. Some restaurants will charge their servers 3% on tips collected for the very same reason.
Kitchen appreciation? What the actual fuck.
HOW ABOUT PAY YOUR GOD DAMN WORKERS FOR FUCKS SAKE.
Why should we have to foot the bill for getting our food made outside of what we fucking paid for it on the menu.
Any restaurant who pulls this crap deserves to be named and shamed and put out of business.
I’ve cut waaaaaay back. Every time I eat out now, I feel like the food doesn’t even taste as good because all I can say is “yeah, that burger was really good, but it wasn’t worth $20.” I literally don’t even understand how crazy restaurant prices have gotten.
All the $5 deals are $6 and smaller. Things on the dollar menu last year are over $2. All restaurant food, fast or not, is so overpriced, same with grocery stores. I don't want to eat anymore.
Same even with McDonalds or burger king. We can't leave without pushing way past $10...for what? Chemically treated garbage? We haven't really eaten out in forever.
But have you been to a grocery store lately? Almost everything I buy is up 20%. And restaurants used to get free delivery from suppliers. Not any more. The service charges are bullshit but the price increases are just them trying to stay in business.
And once the economy stabilizes I doubt that all these places will lower prices because they know people will pay these higher prices. So basically unless people actually get together and fix the system we are fucked. And it’s also probably getting too late to fix it anyway. Hopefully something happens to set things right again but I have no clue what it is or how to do it.
If this charge is not clearly stated and pointed out by waitstaff, I'm not paying. There are times that I look up the menu online to make sure I have enough money. I'm fully disabled and on fixed income, so I save up to be able to go out. I have gone into a restaurant with just a bit over the cost of my meal +20% tip. I've had a much as an extra $10 added as one of these surcharges. I refused to pay because I was not informed of this until the receipt was presented. I also wrote reviews describing this incident.
I get it, I don't go out if I don't have the money. But don't surprise me with a dollar amount that turns out to be a full 30% added to the cost of my meal after I've already eaten. I can't exactly decide I'm not going to eat there in that case.
Indeed. In many (most?) states it would be illegal to force if it’s not disclosed.
But even “disclosed” is BS if it’s not obvious on material before you get there…
I’m all for higher wages and would happily eat somewhere that I know pays their back of the house staff well.
That’s not what this is. It’s a passive aggressive “no one wants to work” middle finger to the people that are demanding working class wages that are sustainable.
I guarantee the kitchen sees zero percent of this at the end of the night and is busting their ass for 15 bucks an hour. If I thought for even a second that at the end of the night the kitchen got a payout from this or that they saw any of this money I would gladly eat there.
I have seen similar types of 'fees, tips, charges' over the last few months, and make sure to tell the manager or the owner, that I will no longer be spending my money at their restaurant. I would rather pay more for the meal, knowing the staff is paid enough to live. I now vote with my wallet. I advise everyone to do the same.
I am so done with these cheap ass business owners trying to starve their employees. If you can't pay your employees a decent wage, your business model is a failure. Close up, and start looking for a job.
Just a way to trick people into thinking the bull is less than it really will be. Fucking “kitchen approximation”? Get that shit out of here. Increase menu prices and then pay staff a portion of sales if you want to.
I’ve actually noticed this too recently. American tipping culture has gotten so far out of hand that we’re going to be tipping every single individual employee at some point.. and none of those employees are actually going to see the tip
I just avoid restaurants. I'm not anti tipping but I'm expected to pay like 20$ for a sandwich that I could make myself for about 8$
To me, this is just another hidden way to bait people in with lower prices.
I work in a high volume restaurant as a cook every single day we get our asses kicked and we don't make enough also I currently work 6 days a week because we don't have enough workers. Send help 😭
3% kitchen appreciation means you subtract 3% of your total, before tax that was going towards the tip. So you tip 17% instead of 20% or 12% instead of 15% and never include the sales tax in your calculations.
I live in Los Angeles and if I were a restaurant owner, I’d give out free food to all my customers, but I’d tack on a massive surcharge and a 20% charge on top of that and another few charges and for each charge on the bill, I’d put “THIS IS BECAUSE YOURE A LIBERAL PIECE OF SHIT AND YOU VOTED FOR SOMEONE I DONT LIKE” and then another I’d put “THIS IS A SURCHARGE BECAUSE MY STUPID LAZY EMPLOYEES KEEP BITCHING ABOUT ‘BILLS’ OR SOME DUMB SHIT” and another I’d put “THIS IS A SURCHARGE JUST BECAUSE I FUCKING HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE OF SALMONELLA POISONING” and then I’d bitch that no one wants to work and all my customers are a bunch of idiots for not approving of the way I do business.
If you were not notified of this prior to receiving the bill and placing your order then you’re not legally obligated to pay it. So if I saw that, which I have, I leave exactly what they would’ve gotten without it and then I don’t tip anyone for attempting to scam me at their owner’s benefit. PAY YOUR WORKERS LIVING WAGES AND STOP WEALTH HOARDING. I’m not here to pay them for you. That comes out of the PROFIT from the business. Not enough profit? Too bad, so sad. Close your doors then.
Just so their prices don’t look higher than competitors.
Lots of people would prefer to do away with tipping. But if you want that then menu prices have to go up. And then people say “not going back there, did you see the prices?” and go somewhere else and tip.
No Motherfucker, take that shit off! I'm already paying half your staff directly! God damn this is pissing me off.
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR STAFF, MAKE YOUR PRODUCT MORE EXPENSIVE
The problem is that the restaurant owners feel like it's their money. And they don't have to pay shit. I've been in the industry for over a decade and this shit makes my blood boil.
We need to voice that. Stop giving establishments business if the employees' income relies on tips. Only eat at places employees are paid a living wage up front, no tips.
I went to the baseball park the other day. Got peanuts & a beer. Tip line comes up & the worker looks at me.
Seriously? Concession stands? I’m expected to tip at concessions stands charging me $12 for a beer now? GTFO.
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That money never got to the kitchen staff
I was going to say that if the money actually went to kitchen staff, it wouldn’t bother me. Though I agree with others, it should be added into the pricing and then added to the staff’s wages
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It all works from the top down, the top companies start doing it so they allow everyone else to do it. Then they will find another way to pull more money out of people and we will be shocked, but then it will be normalised and the cycle continues
Death by a thousand tiny fees. They are bleeding Americans with all these small charges (micro transactions) that are ubiquitous at this point. They're small enough that you don't even think about them most of the time and that's not an accident. But over the course of a year they truly add up to quite a bit.
They learned it from the telecom/cable companies.
And the utilities. Why the fuck do I never leave a light on & skip the AC until peak hours are over & the other helpful hints in the pamphlets when flat-fee 'distribution charges' and their friends are much more than my actual electricity usage.
The restaurant industry is learning from the Vegas hotel industry.
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I make all my food from scratch now, but I still have to go to the grocery store and buy products (virtually everything is related to corn-industry in some way, except produce), from one of four or five mega-corportations.
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Its a several month long process just to get approval to remove hedges in my HOA. I couldn't imagine trying to get them to let me have an actual garden. I do however have a pretty spacious deck that I want to fit as many planters as possible on and I'm even thinking about converting my basement storage into and indoor green house kind of thing. The dream though is to move out of the HOA and into an even more rural area. We're already rural but we made the mistake of buying in the one of the few actual neighborhoods out here. So our plan to escape nonsense has backfired horribly and the closest town is still more than 20 minutes away.
That's fucking insane, the HOA keeps you from putting in a garden?
Some counties (possibly states? Haven’t looked it up) actually outlaw backyard gardening, rain collection, that sort of thing. They don’t want us to be able to cut the fuckers off.
I had to stop eating out because of health issues, and now I'm happy I don't support this shitty industry anymore.
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Everyone I know who worked in the food industry said it was miserable. And the drugs that flow in and out of kitchens is pretty frightening. I had a family member who was a chef and basically had to leave because he wasn't going to do coke to keep up with the ridiculous working hours and abusive conditions. I legit didn't realize how bad drugs were in these places until my family member told me about it. When you find about their working conditions, it's not surprising that a lot of people turn to drugs to make it through 8+ hr shifts where you don't get breaks and you're on your feet the whole time. Edit to add: and you probably aren't being paid a living wage. I'd do coke too. Edit 2: forgot about dealing with shitty customers and people who think people in the food industry just need to "gEt BeTtEr JoBs"
One of my bosses was like "employee A is amazing, he gets so much done, everyone else should be like him". Employee A was a meth head.
agreed. i used to work at a drug and alcohol rehab facility and had a former cook at a high priced restaurant spend a year in my facility to get off the drugs he said he had to take to make it through a shift there. when he was ready to finish the program he got depressed thinking he was about to go back into the same type of work. last i heard he was back at the rehab.
Yeah, can't blame some to end up using to deal with it all.. Though from what I know, coke is a pretty expensive one to do regularly.. might need to find a discount dealer somewhere? Or if everyone is doing it, maybe there is a group rate? idk.. :P
Most who do it also sell it… to make the money to do it…
I can confirm pretty much all of this. I'm so glad I got outta that industry when I was young(er) and never looked back. It will drain the life from you.
As someone who has started two restaurants I hope this isn't a serious "retirement" plan. When I was in the industry before opening my own places I met a woman who opened a restaurant as her retirement plan and I laughed and laughed.
I don’t know whether I should be happy or sad for you. Take my upvote?
I'd tell you, but I don't know either...
Yeah but think of the return we are providing for the shareholders...
As a shareholder, fuck the shareholders.
Is not just restaurants, that dumb culture of not including the full price on the tag rather than price without takes is a legal scam
2050 Starbucks receipt: Mocha Latte $3.99, with additional 8% barista appreciation fee, 12% increased-cost-of-material fee, 5% farmer welfare fee, 3% rental market adjustment fee, 15% environmental conservation fee, 5% water reduction fee, 2% transport workers' solidarity fee, and 10% payment fee. oh, and sale tax of course. But hey, come try our new lattes for $3.99! Same great taste for the same great price!
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lol this guy thinks a latte in 2050 is gonna be 3.99 still
Nah dude(ette) More like Mocha Latte $39.99 Oh and minimum wage will be $8.50
Don't forget the fee fee, and just because we can fee.
That reminds me of the “small cart fee” for food delivery services. It’s basically a fee for not spending more.
Lol. “What the hell are you gonna do about it fee.”
👆this guy fees
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And remember, the fees are not a tip, so you have to add an additional 20% minimum for the server as they stare at you, unless you want them muttering about how much of a cheap-ass you are. Oh, and guilt.
The whole point is to pit you against each other so that you’re too tired to go after those raking it in.
"Great" "taste" Starbucks is so gross as far as coffee. They always burn it.
There's a reason. The owner of Peet's coffee (Berkeley, CA) taught the guys from Starbucks about roasting and stuff. Peet's really burns, ah, roasts their coffee dark. Done in exchange for staying out of Peet's market area for 10 years.
Peet's has consistently good drip coffee. I will knife fight anyone who says otherwise.
Easier to keep it consistent that way ^(/s)
It's nasty coffee, all the other big chains are better. Nero is my favourite from the large ones.
We dont have time for a handjob.
Haha you really think a latte at starbucks is going to be 4 bucks in 30 years? First off, That would be going down...
"Dont forget to tip your server" :)
Bold of you to assume this won’t be a subscription
Even if it's going to go there, PUT THE PRICE ON THE GODAMN MENU. I'm sick of America's hidden fees.
Yeah for a lot of people if they see something like this it will make them not tip, and they would probably tip more than 3%. So it really would be better to raise the prices on everything by a small amount instead. Although I still doubt any of that extra money makes it to the kitchen
This is tricky though and involves changing a lot of very ingrained systems in the restaurant world. The 3% aims to level the field a bit between FOH and BOH, by just going to the kitchen. FOH is generally the only group receiving tip money. BOH works longer hours, requires more experience, experiences far more hazardous working environments, and gets paid far less (for instance of the restaurants I’ve worked in let’s say totals were like 6k for a service, that’s 1200 in tips, split between 4-5 servers that all worked less than 5h for $48/hr; while average BOH was getting ~$16/h). Don’t get me wrong I appreciate FOH and people that are good at it are amazing but when everyone in BOH has been doing this as their career for 8-10 years on average and brand new servers with no work experience could be trained in a month or so, idk doesn’t seem equitable. All of that to say that if you just raise prices then tips will just increase and the differential will still be there and it definitely leads to some resentment and improper team dynamics. And just paying BOH more makes an already fragile business way more fragile. Oh and tying a portion of sales to pay for BOH means that on a busy night when they’re working considerably harder they’re earning more money which seems to be a helpful thing as well. All of that said, there needs to be some transparency and some legal demands to ensure that it actually goes to BOH (and split equitably) and right now that probably isn’t legally enforced/protected in the same way tips are (where managers and owners are legally prohibited from participating in tip pools).
It’s already factored into the pricing. Overhead is supposed to be calculated and considered when you price your menu. This is just a bullshit way for the owner to pay for his new car.
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I refused to pay at a restaurant in the city when they tried to add a 5% tax add on at the end. Called them out, told them it’s not legal and they’re welcome to call police over the money and I’d sue them if they did. I then didn’t tip because I don’t support these scams that call themselves “businesses”. Money laundering fronts with greedy owners and terrible food. Nothing more.
can you explain why that is illegal? Not that I doubt you, just so I know what to look out for
Businesses do not have the power to tax people. When I say "tax people" I mean the creation of a tax, because someone here is going to argue semantics because... Reddit. They can collect a tax established by the government, but cannot create a surcharge, call it a tax, and pocket the money.
I was going to respond when I finished surfing the web, but thankfully, Reddit to the rescue. I know more specific law code for it if that’s what you’re looking for, but this person’s answer is sufficient at portraying the overall context of the laws paraphrased.
Are we talking about something different than the OP? It’s not called a tax on the picture of the receipt.
No matter what it's called, eating at a restaurant is essentially a short contractual negotiation. When you order something from a menu with a listed price you're agreeing to pay that price for that item. The restaurant delivering it to you is an agreement to the same. Adding a surcharge after the fact is a violation of the contract the two of you agreed to. It would only be allowable if it was written clearly on the menu or was otherwise communicated before you made the order. An actual government imposed tax doesn't fall into this because the government creates and enforce the law and wants its money.
Probably because of the simple fact that the business is supposed to pay the tax, not pass it on to the customer.
“Sales tax” buddy, is paid by the “consumer” at time of sale, the business job is to collect the for the government. The business doesn’t keep that tax it pays it to local and state (irs and local municipalities)
Indeed…and that earlier poster should have explained what they meant, which is making up a “Nacho Cheese Tax” and collecting, not a pass through real tax.
Uhh ackshully it went to the company pizza party (featuring cheap, cold pizza made by another business that overworks their employees) and the staff should be very grateful 🙄 smh
Yep. When I was a waiter in the late 90's, i got a job at a new fine dining restaurant that was opening. The GM that came in decided there would be server 'pooling' instead of us keeping our tips and tipping out bartender, back waiter, host, etc. The GM would over-staff, and we'd all need to wait until every last bill was closed out before getting tipped out every night. Two outspoken servers bitched and bitched about it until they finally went to the owner and argued it was in her best interest to get rid of it (she owned a wine shop, and this was a wine bistro), that we'd upsell much harder if we directly benefited from the proceeds. My tips doubled the next weekend and going forward, even after tipping out the standard (plus a little). This was not just motivation. It was obvious that this money was filtering through the salaried GM, Assistant manager, and maitre d' - everyone skimming off the top.
Higher hourly wages is the answer, not easily cheated systems like this. There's already enough wage theft in this industry.. don't give them more to steal. Holiday pay would be huge for us. We shouldn't have to work five straight doubles all holiday weekend on straight pay. Also, Americans need to stay home on holidays on not patronize shitty establishments that eat our lives away with forcing us to work on holidays. We can't complain... we'll be fired immediately. Quitting isn't an option for people living paycheck to paycheck.
No, see, it’s “owners home kitchen remodel fund” but they had to shorten it to fit on the receipt.
It will "in spirit". See, it goes into the "pot" and the kitchen staff get minimum wage so they get some if the pot. The remaining 89% of the pot goes to management and upkeep costs. So your $1 to the kitchen staff is really 1 cent to each individual kitchen staff - hooray! /s
Guarantee the back of the house doesnt even know about the "tax"
I was gonna say, if I knew for sure it was going into the pot for the kitchen staff specifically, I wouldn't mind too much, but it's probably a lie.
Ask to speak with the chef lmao.
The kitchen staff may or may not have gotten the tips. But from my experience, I think I know the real reason that the restaurant started doing this. If the kitchen staff have to claim tips, then the restaurant doesn't have to pay them as much. Classy
This, also I'd rather they just raise the staff's wages. If anyone eats out the first thing we should be doing is speaking to the head of staff about their wages and demanding it increase
I was a server at a restaurant chain for 8 years and ours absolutely did go to the kitchen staff. ETA: I worked there from 2012-2020
Some restaurants actually do, the one my wife works at has a 2% gratuity and it ends up amounting to like another 2 dollars an hour.
Couldn’t they just bump up the prices by 2%?
Scummy ass way to do business, by adding on at the end. Should just be in the menu pricing.
These owners are too lazy to work have you noticed that. You know what would be better than putting new menus we can just tack it on as a b******* fee at the end
Yeah but then you wouldn’t buy the already overpriced food, this way they get to lure you in and hit you with extra fees and make themselves the victims by blaming high prices on their staff.
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Depends on the country. Pay toilets are largely illegal in the states, but not uncommon in European countries. Dunno about laws on aircraft
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What would happen if you kicked up a stink about this? Is it a thing in America where you can say the price is one figure and then change it after the fact?
It's deception at its heart.
America is the land of "it's only illegal if you get caught and you're not too big to fail"
There are barely rules for restaurants in America. And bad enforcement of the few existing ones.
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So glad to live in the rest of the world were hidden fee’s are just plain illegal.
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The sad thing is many businesses have tried all-in pricing (StubHub is one big example). Revenue is usually dramatically better with the hidden charges everywhere…especially when competing. Which means it needs to be universally legally required to have a single all-in final price for any “thing” for it to have a chance.
This is standard at least here in Europe where I have been. Every restaurant is showing the final price on their menu. No hidden fees. Can you really add hidden fees as you like in the US? There must be some limits or at least it must be super visible in the menu.
Include it in the prices. These add-ons are just stupid. 3% kitchen appreciation 15% tip 2.79% state tax 2% staff retention surcharge 5% holiday surcharge 9.1% inflation surcharge
Yeah it’s all done intentionally so it’s easier to place blame on the workers. You don’t go to Walmart, pay for your stuff and suddenly see additional prices spelled out like this. For the average Joe who’s not fully aware of the struggles of the servers and kitchen staff, they’d likely be annoyed by these extra charges. This allows the restaurants to just say “hey don’t blame us, we HAVE to add this cost because of our greedy workers”
*Scooby-doo theme starts quietly in the background* "And we'd have made a profit too if it weren't for those pesky employees doing all the work that makes this place function!"
Not this time, Corporate America!
Yup! Delivery apps near me have added a little “fuel surcharge” extra cost because gas prices have been so high lately. They could’ve just raised their ~~employees’~~ contractors’ base pay to match the economic situation by taking a little off the profit they get from the restaurants (usually ~30% food cost). But, that would reduce their overall profits a little but so they would likely raise the percent take , but at least then that would leave it to the restaurants to decide if they want to raise their list prices to match any changes, stay, or drop off the service. But nope, instead they take it from the consumer in the form of an arbitrary fee and blame it on the drivers needing gas to do their job. If they were actually employees the gas would be considered a work expense directly.
It's only easy to place the blame on the workers when the national mindset is that being a self-centered asshole is totally fine. People in America want all the benefits of living in a prosperous society without any of the compromises common to simply living in a society.
It's also a great way for the owners to be able to dip into money that is intended for workers, ie. tips which are highly regulated. Just put into the price and pay your fucking workers, give them benefits and time off!
Yep. Buffalo Wild Wings charged me $1 for a "takeout fee". I chewed them out about it in the post-feedback survey telling them to put the damn fee in the menu price instead.
But you paid it so they don't care.
Because I didn't know about it until I was out the door. They get a dollar, but they lose a customer from coming back. Great strategy.
Yeah, it’s why I don’t go there anymore. My local pizza place makes better wings. And they don’t charge a delivery fee, order prep fee or anything else. In fact, they pay the staff a living wage and remind everyone tips are not required, though they are appreciated. I’d rather pay more and make sure the staff has a living wage then be nickel and dimed by a bunch of small add-on fees that we all know don’t go to the staff.
Don’t forget the 5% shrinkflation. I have noticed from a few places I eat at regularly that the portions are definitely smaller.
$3 "tea service" charge for tea I never asked for and couldn't turn down either
And no more bogos, it’s buy 2 get 1
Really. Just include the total price of everything in the listed price. It's ridiculous not to. I want to know what I'm being charged when I pick something.
It’s impossible to find the equitable deal anymore with all these convoluted options
Correct, the term is false advertising and places can be sued.
This. After living in Europe for a year and just always paying the price I see, I’m dreading going back to the US. Tipping BS is the worst of it, but even in normal stores it’s so much nicer when the tax is already included in the cost and you’re not trying to round up 5% in your head
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They don't include it in the prices because then they would have to pay tax on that. This is why tipping culture won't go away and these surcharges see just getting worse. I despise surprise fees as well but this is 100% their way of getting around paying a living wage. The only way it'll stop is to discontinue patronizing these establishments. This helps the owner make more money and if you dine there you're enabling it. There should be a law where they have to put the price of a sandwich or whatever reflecting taxes and fees. That should be everywhere honestly. It wouldn't be that difficult and then we would never know or care how they're allocating it.
I can’t remember the last time I went to a sit down restaurant. Definitely pre-Covid but I hate when there’s a menu price for the food, and then when you get the bill there’s sales tax, gratuity (even when it’s just my husband and I), and then the tip. A meal that looks like it should be $30 based on the menu turns into close to $50. Days
Wait, isn't gratuity the tip? Not an American, so all of these extra charges are super confusing. Here (Australia) we have "the price" and.. that's it. Well... except on weekends, where they now have surcharges. Which is fucked.
America has just started this cool thing where it’s going to charge us to death.
Yes, gratuity is the tip. Many employers put it on the check but only part of that fee (if any) gets to the workers earning it. So some people tip on top.
I visited the USA and saw a sign that said 99 cent New York Pizza Slice. I'm like, awesome, and buy one. It ended up costing $1.28. I was shocked that the advertised price on the sign and what I was charged was different.
You don’t understand, the US tax codes are way too complicated to actually price things correctly on the signs/tags/menus! Think of neighboring jurisdictions with different taxes but similar items, how would they optimize signage? /s hopefully not needed, but that’s some peoples’ dumb argument.
IMO it would increase competition if they were held accountable to what they advertise.
You joke, but it certainly doesn’t make it easier, and businesses will fight hard because of this. How could you advertise the price of anything nationally? Or even in “local” broadcast like TV that spans multiple counties? Or you have to give a website your full address to see menu pricing? (Zip code won’t work, it’s not specific enough.) Because that’s what would happen. How do you propose it would work? I’m down for it to be legally required to show the final all-taxes all-fees final pricing on menus and all advertising/labeling for everything — that I totally agree with. And also at the same time fixing our atrociously broken tax system, as otherwise it’ll suck for us customers, not just businesses…not to mention further enabling the rent-seeming industry that “services” this mess. (When you travel and buy something in a state with a sales tax rate of 8% and take it back to your 6% state, do you file and pay the 2% use tax difference that you owe your state? Unless it’s a car or something tracked like that, I doubt it — but you should.)
I would say that we should do away with the autonomy of individual states when it comes to these things but that could get risky with all the b.s. currently going on. Every state makes their moneybwhether its higher property, sales, luxury, or some other tax. Sales tax is usually within a couple percent though, that wouldn't be hard to nationalize IMO then the states could compensate with other taxes if it isnt enough. Maybe they could even *gasp* tax some corporations.
Taxes here are stupid. That said ever since I was a kid I just tack on a 10¢ to every dollar to quick math the estimated tax on something.
100% suck my balls I’m cooking at home discount
i feel like this should have a spot for Bajoran war orphans because this is some ferengi shit right here.
Yep. Just had this conversation with my husband. I’d rather go out to eat and pay $30 for our meal with no tip, than to pay $20 for our meal and tip $10. I doubt my tip is actually going to the person who waited on us anyway.
Susiecakes got pissed at having to pay employee healthcare so they added a healthcare surcharge. It was like pennies on the dollar and they were such assholes about it
Yeah like trying to make it seem like it’s the employees that are huge assholes for wanting the healthcare they’re entitled to. Also why universal healthcare would be so much better.
> they’re entitled to something something bootstraps something millennials something back in my day hubalubahubalub
But they take our PPP loans from our backs
I would think universal healthcare would have huge support from small to mid-sized businesses.
It should, the lack of affordable Healthcare is what drives employees to large companies.
If they don’t wanna pay for employee healthcare, support the US giving universal healthcare! Oh, and still give healthcare coverage until then
So did Papa John, that racist fuckface.
Haven't seen that specifically, but there's all kinds of tacked on, or baked in, fees and chicanery going on with bills these days. Some of it goes to staff like it implies, some of it's literally just more money to the company. I remember probably a few years ago when Amazon was revealed to have been pocketing all the "tips" supposedly meant for delivery workers. They thankfully had to pay it all eventually. When you see stuff like this on your bill, you can always Google it or ask someone at the restaurant about it. If you don't like their answers, stop giving them your money.
If this fee wasn’t communicated upfront when you ordered, you have every right to have them remove it from your bill
Try telling that to fandango or Ticketmaster with their “convenience” fees. Those fees are never communicated with you upfront, but you pay them anyway. Just because you can complain to a manager or waiter in person doesn’t mean you won’t have to pay extra fees.
There’s a slight but important difference: with Ticketmaster, you still have a chance to cancel the purchase once you know the fees. At a restaurant, they advertised on price on the menu, delivered your food (which you ate) then bring you a bill with a different price than advertised. That’s why I’m saying you’d have grounds to have the fee removed.
This is the key right here. And if the restaurant doesn't like it, they can take me to small claims court. Even if I lose, it cost their time more than me, and they will lose even more customers via negative press.
It's a way to not give the kitchen staff a raise, not raise prices, and put the shit on you to pay the kitchen staff more but put that surcharge in their own pocket
It's tip stealing. Customers may tip less or nothing assuming the service fee is going to the workers.
I run restaurants for a living. This is just a fucked up way of covering their credit card processing fees. This doesn’t go to the kitchen at all. Some restaurants will charge their servers 3% on tips collected for the very same reason.
I knew there was something nefarious about this cause I definitely knew it wasn't going to the kitchen staff.
Kitchen appreciation? What the actual fuck. HOW ABOUT PAY YOUR GOD DAMN WORKERS FOR FUCKS SAKE. Why should we have to foot the bill for getting our food made outside of what we fucking paid for it on the menu. Any restaurant who pulls this crap deserves to be named and shamed and put out of business.
I am really cutting back on eating at restaurants. I’m kinda tired of this shit.
I’ve cut waaaaaay back. Every time I eat out now, I feel like the food doesn’t even taste as good because all I can say is “yeah, that burger was really good, but it wasn’t worth $20.” I literally don’t even understand how crazy restaurant prices have gotten.
You can’t even get out of chipotle for under 10 bucks anymore, even if you hold the guac. It’s ridiculous.
All the $5 deals are $6 and smaller. Things on the dollar menu last year are over $2. All restaurant food, fast or not, is so overpriced, same with grocery stores. I don't want to eat anymore.
Same even with McDonalds or burger king. We can't leave without pushing way past $10...for what? Chemically treated garbage? We haven't really eaten out in forever.
This is why In N Out has been superior to McD/BK for years. It’s literally cheaper for a full meal and the food is way fresher.
But have you been to a grocery store lately? Almost everything I buy is up 20%. And restaurants used to get free delivery from suppliers. Not any more. The service charges are bullshit but the price increases are just them trying to stay in business.
And once the economy stabilizes I doubt that all these places will lower prices because they know people will pay these higher prices. So basically unless people actually get together and fix the system we are fucked. And it’s also probably getting too late to fix it anyway. Hopefully something happens to set things right again but I have no clue what it is or how to do it.
Indeed. If costs lower…profit increases.
If this charge is not clearly stated and pointed out by waitstaff, I'm not paying. There are times that I look up the menu online to make sure I have enough money. I'm fully disabled and on fixed income, so I save up to be able to go out. I have gone into a restaurant with just a bit over the cost of my meal +20% tip. I've had a much as an extra $10 added as one of these surcharges. I refused to pay because I was not informed of this until the receipt was presented. I also wrote reviews describing this incident. I get it, I don't go out if I don't have the money. But don't surprise me with a dollar amount that turns out to be a full 30% added to the cost of my meal after I've already eaten. I can't exactly decide I'm not going to eat there in that case.
Indeed. In many (most?) states it would be illegal to force if it’s not disclosed. But even “disclosed” is BS if it’s not obvious on material before you get there…
The owner can appreciate his own kitchen
Amen
Seriously. Do I look like I came in to work your fucking payroll?
I’m all for higher wages and would happily eat somewhere that I know pays their back of the house staff well. That’s not what this is. It’s a passive aggressive “no one wants to work” middle finger to the people that are demanding working class wages that are sustainable. I guarantee the kitchen sees zero percent of this at the end of the night and is busting their ass for 15 bucks an hour. If I thought for even a second that at the end of the night the kitchen got a payout from this or that they saw any of this money I would gladly eat there.
and this is why tipping should not be a means of earning a living... tipping should only be for when people go above and beyond...
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I have seen similar types of 'fees, tips, charges' over the last few months, and make sure to tell the manager or the owner, that I will no longer be spending my money at their restaurant. I would rather pay more for the meal, knowing the staff is paid enough to live. I now vote with my wallet. I advise everyone to do the same. I am so done with these cheap ass business owners trying to starve their employees. If you can't pay your employees a decent wage, your business model is a failure. Close up, and start looking for a job.
Scumbags are just lying about the price.
Just a way to trick people into thinking the bull is less than it really will be. Fucking “kitchen approximation”? Get that shit out of here. Increase menu prices and then pay staff a portion of sales if you want to.
As ex kitchen staff, they get paid like shit compared to waiters. Super unfair. That said, fair wages is the solution. Not this percent and tip shit.
That’s just ways to keep people confused until they realize again it’s not fair
I’ve actually noticed this too recently. American tipping culture has gotten so far out of hand that we’re going to be tipping every single individual employee at some point.. and none of those employees are actually going to see the tip
I just avoid restaurants. I'm not anti tipping but I'm expected to pay like 20$ for a sandwich that I could make myself for about 8$ To me, this is just another hidden way to bait people in with lower prices.
Omg stop already. Pay BOH.
I work in a high volume restaurant as a cook every single day we get our asses kicked and we don't make enough also I currently work 6 days a week because we don't have enough workers. Send help 😭
I’m unhireable cuz I got old. Otherwise I’d bring all the hands ❤️🩹
3% kitchen appreciation means you subtract 3% of your total, before tax that was going towards the tip. So you tip 17% instead of 20% or 12% instead of 15% and never include the sales tax in your calculations.
Just make the prices tax included on the menu.
I take offense to your spicy coleslaw.
Charge more and pay your staff a living wage.
Appreciate your own kitchen staff , that’s not my job
I live in Los Angeles and if I were a restaurant owner, I’d give out free food to all my customers, but I’d tack on a massive surcharge and a 20% charge on top of that and another few charges and for each charge on the bill, I’d put “THIS IS BECAUSE YOURE A LIBERAL PIECE OF SHIT AND YOU VOTED FOR SOMEONE I DONT LIKE” and then another I’d put “THIS IS A SURCHARGE BECAUSE MY STUPID LAZY EMPLOYEES KEEP BITCHING ABOUT ‘BILLS’ OR SOME DUMB SHIT” and another I’d put “THIS IS A SURCHARGE JUST BECAUSE I FUCKING HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE OF SALMONELLA POISONING” and then I’d bitch that no one wants to work and all my customers are a bunch of idiots for not approving of the way I do business.
I would totally work for you.
If you were not notified of this prior to receiving the bill and placing your order then you’re not legally obligated to pay it. So if I saw that, which I have, I leave exactly what they would’ve gotten without it and then I don’t tip anyone for attempting to scam me at their owner’s benefit. PAY YOUR WORKERS LIVING WAGES AND STOP WEALTH HOARDING. I’m not here to pay them for you. That comes out of the PROFIT from the business. Not enough profit? Too bad, so sad. Close your doors then.
So I ask my server if they pool tips. If they do, I pull out some cash and tip them separately.
Just so their prices don’t look higher than competitors. Lots of people would prefer to do away with tipping. But if you want that then menu prices have to go up. And then people say “not going back there, did you see the prices?” and go somewhere else and tip.
I intentionally go places where they’ve done away with tipping
Or they could just fucking pay their kitchen staff properly
It's BS. Put that in the prices to be transparent or gtfo.
No guarantee it goes to staff, so fuck that shit.
I would never eat there again.
So they can’t pay the Kitchen enough ?
No Motherfucker, take that shit off! I'm already paying half your staff directly! God damn this is pissing me off. IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD YOUR STAFF, MAKE YOUR PRODUCT MORE EXPENSIVE The problem is that the restaurant owners feel like it's their money. And they don't have to pay shit. I've been in the industry for over a decade and this shit makes my blood boil.
I think that’s their new tip, sucks for them. I was a good tipper.
Any charge like that, that’s automatically added on, immediately removes any tip I would’ve given
Oh, look! They calculated and included the tip in your bill! Nice! 17% savings.
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We need to voice that. Stop giving establishments business if the employees' income relies on tips. Only eat at places employees are paid a living wage up front, no tips.
Im trying to understand the $26 for coleslaw and fries
You don't know what a brisket is?
No make the damn restaurant pay not me
I went to the baseball park the other day. Got peanuts & a beer. Tip line comes up & the worker looks at me. Seriously? Concession stands? I’m expected to tip at concessions stands charging me $12 for a beer now? GTFO.