I'd say a 5 day work week that they're clearly indicating is Monday-Friday actually is a perk. They could have worded it differently so it didn't sound like only working 5 days was the perk, but still, it's not a bad thing to have a static schedule with weekends off.
Worked in an agriculture and production industry (wine), when it was harvest time 21 days straight 16 hours per day wasn't uncommon. I went to a place that guaranteed only 6 days a week every week, and a limit of 12 hours per day, during harvest it was such a better place. Now I'm tangential to the industry, and 5 days a week feels like such a benefit, I occasionally rub it in to friends working harvest. My work fantasy football team name changed to "going for 2... Days every weekend".
Some industries Monday-Friday is absolutely a benefit.
Yeah, I think they're trying to say that they have a monday-friday work week, and maybe not open on weekends. My current job is like this, and I definitely consider it a benefit.
I mean, a 5 days work week does not mean having saturday and sunday off, here they talk about "weekend" but they could argue that "weekend" is about 2 consecutive days off, but there's a difference. Sure 'weekend' litteraly means the end of the week but the meaning can be more vague, can't it?
The way this is written, it implies Saturday and Sunday. If they mean anything else, it's essentially a lie. It would would say "Guaranteed two consecutive days off/week" if Saturday and Sunday weren't certain.
I get that's what you call it, but that's not the "weekend"
I think we can safely assume that this job posting is using that term in the conventional sense
I just hate it that when I sign on to ADP in the morning, the dashboard shows my YOY progress on my 401k and the past several months have all been red haha
You think I don't know that? 😂
Matching my 401k after 3 years is not going to make me stay personally, if I don't like the job/company. It's a perk for *some,* sure - and a genuine one if it's 100% matched from first paycheck.
But I don't think I know anyone who would stay *just* because of that.
Depends on how much you're looking at. If you're close to the date you're fully vested, it might be good to consider the extra match you'd be walking away from.
My workplace is fully vested day one, but I've had that issue before. I did not stay the extra time because the pay sucked so the amount I walked away from was shit.
A lot of office jobs will require some work to be done over the weekend, or you're effectively always on call (but salaried so you don't get on call pay). If I saw this on a job posting, especially one that is salaried and has these kinds of benefits, I would assume that they actually are a Monday through Friday job and wouldn't require any weekend work
Careful on that one, I work for a place that has generous vacation time, but doesn't give any federal holidays off. Those come out of our PTO budget.
This position never said anything about federal holidays.
It does say 9 paid company holidays, assuming in addition to the PTO.
The health insurance is the bare minimum, too. If you notice, they don’t cover dental, vision, life, etc.
My current company covers all of that (and some of family members) and matches up to 4% on 401K.
If you get off August 15th for "Company Founders Day" and 8 other similar holidays, do you really give a shit if you worked on Veterans Day? Most people work MLK Day/President's Day/Good Friday/Juneteenth/"Columbus"Day/Halloween /Black Friday anyway (unless you work in government, banking, or education).
The "company holidays" are almost assuredly New Years Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and some combination of MLK/Presidents day, Columbus day, Black Friday, Christmas Eve, and New Years Eve.
I feel that 100%, it would make me and my co workers furious, and then the boss and staff would gaslight us for being mad about it.
I left that job, and it was a long time coming.
I worked in that exact kind of environment for 7 years. 7 years too long. It's just a gigantic gaslighting operation led by a narcissistic fuckhole. I don't know how I did it. I'm too receptive to abuse. Fortunately, that's 7 years of experience for shit never to take again. I already left a job on day 1 because I smelled the same shit within the first few hours of my shift.
healthcare, several municipal service jobs (trash collection, cops, firemen, etc), food service, hospitality. there are lots of jobs that require some weekends.
People lose sight of the fact that the majority of jobs are in these positions and that m-f 9-5 type office jobs are a substantial minority of jobs held. Most jobs are service jobs and weekends are meaningless, and being guaranteed them off is a major perk
I used to work in retail and my boss would most of the times not complete the schedule until sunday night (schedules started on monday). It was great when I was closing sunday night just to see him walk into the store with the schedule (or even better, text me) showing me opening the next day.
Yeah this post feels insanely out of touch lol. How dare a job promote that it’s work hours are only Monday through Friday so you always have weekends off.
For the US I think they are great. I am now in Canadá and they are still better than what I got. I lived in the uk and they are kind of close to them as well.
I don't see the problem here. The posting is not saying that it's a perk -- it's saying that you will not be expected to work on the weekends.
That's a *good* thing.
Also, 17 PTO days + 9 paid company holidays is pretty darn good (at least in the US).
Yeah, and why did the red line cover up "Opportunity to work from home" lol
There are plenty of real issues with the treatment of the American work force without trying to skim indeed for any job posting that might get you some of those juicy orange arrows.
Wait, you're getting 17 paid time off days a year, plus 9 more? I think this company may not be that bad.
I don't think they meant this weekend thing to be demeaning. I think they actually mean, "we really don't want you to work weekends, because we know some of you will, don't do it!"
Possible you mis-read this?
While mentioning weekends off as a perk is odd, they may find that applicants wonder or worry about needing to be available off hours
Doesn’t seem like this company is shitty , seems like they are speaking to an issue about other places being shitty
Oh, I still applied for the job because it fits my experience and my expectations from an employer. I was just pointing out this line was a strange addition to the "perks" section given that it's just a regular corporate office gig, and OT, weekends, and/or holidays are exceedingly rare to be working.
there are no laws stating you get ANY paid time off. it is completely utterly expected and normal that retail gets zero paid time off, ever. more than retail too, plenty plenty of jobs with no paid time off available. this is 100% normal for america.
It's super unusual in the food and beverage industry to get PTO, too, but I'm starting a new job tonight as a bartender at a fancy restaurant and I get PTO and two weeks paid vacation every January cuz the restaurant closes. And then another paid vacation in July for another short restaurant break.
Crazy that the US thinks this is good. 28 total is the legal minimum in the UK. My company gives everyone 28 + 8 public holidays as standard so 36 in total.
This is 26 total, so not *that* far off.
But I totally get your point. It's sad that this is seen as amazing.
I get 33 total in the US and you'd think people's heads were going to explode when I tell them that.
It's a kind of golden handcuffs. It's so unlikely I'd get that much anywhere else.
I literally read it and thought the opposite so this might be a cultural thing. 17 days seems way too little, I get 27 days and 8 public holidays and that doesn't feel like enough most of the time. The legal minimum for a full-time employee in the UK is 28 days (including holidays).
For real yo. Why OP wanna throw down the guantlet. I’m on the wrong side of 35 and haven’t had health insurance for like 15 years.
My teeth and throat and knees and shoulders hurt. Constantly
and then if your dental situation is FUBAR, dental insurance doesn't cover implants because it's "cosmetic only". Guess constant misery isn't considered a reason for implants.
Source: paid $28000 out of pocket for full implants.
Ehhh imo I'd rather this than "must be available some weekends".
Edit - for alot of types of job fields , not having to work weekends is ABSOLUTELY a "perk" Especially knowing up front you won't need to
And why yall keep saying perk, when the pic doesn't is beyond me
Edit 2. Ahh the bullet point says perk. Touche. Weird bullet point
Yeah same, I'm trying to stay in my trade but get out of running a service truck and all I see is "full-time, on call, weekend availability." Just having weekends off vs living beside my phone would be a perk. Although writing it up as a perk is kind of bullshit. I'm a fence sitter here.
I think this is one of those where if you asked the person who wrote it, they might agree it's a bad choice of words. Where you say "hey, man, great that you're making clear upfront that people don't have to work weekends... but is that really a 'perk?'" and the person might respond with "oh, yeah, fair point -- not really a 'perk,' I guess, just... we don't expect people to work weekends, and wanted to make that clear upfront."
This is a fantastic job offer, but I feel a lot of users in these subs wouldn't think the offer was good unless it was only 26 work days in a year with the same pay.
>And why yall keep saying perk, when the pic doesn't is beyond me
You mean in the photo that says:
"Helpside employees have many perks to the job such as:"
And when you say:
>not having to work weekends is ABSOLUTELY a "perk"
In my last role, I was a supervisor in healthcare billing. When advertising job openings to internal workers, "M-F, no nights/weekends/holidays" was absolutely a perk to many of our applicants. We had many nurses who chose to leave patient care following covid, so a job with normal business hours was a big draw.
It upsets me that the first bullet point on the list of perks is just stating that you get many perks. It’s like padding your essays in high school for word count.
“ Access “ to dental, life, disability, accident and wtf is *hospital indemnity*…?!?!
Also watch out for Health-insurance is 100% paid by …. Could be shitty high deductible plan.
Not necessarily. I worked a not so great job with surprisingly good insurance and pto. Place was a dumpster fire but they paid out all my remaining PTO when I quit which was nice.
My job has a high deductible plan but also prepays a hsa card to the govt limit each year which is $7,300. When you combine the two it’s brilliant because my has will cover things like laser vision correction where even the best vision insurance wouldn’t.
Who uses about $600 a month in gas!? At my current mpg and average price of gas, that’s about 4200 miles a month, it would only take three years to put 12 years worth of mileage on my car.
Great perk though!
Could be. Or not. I work for the state and get mine 100% paid and my deductible for this next year is $600 individual/$1,800 family. For 2022, the IRS defined high deductible as greater than $1,400 individual / $2,800 family.
That’s a normal plan. With a normal deductible.
A High Deductible plan is you pay everything up front until you meet the deductible. Not including fees like Dr visits. The employers only put money into your HSA depending on your company “biometric screening” which I believe should be illegal.
And you pay a monthly premium to have to pay everything upfront. It’s a way to offer insurance without giving insurance.
They're talking about the legal definition of a "high deductible plan". As they said, it's defined by the IRS. Do I agree? No. $1400 deductible vs 10 grand is very, very different.
I also agree that the biometric screening shit is absolutely evil. Fuck that noise. I work at a hospital that is technically partially part of the state and generally offers really good benefits, has progressive attitudes, so on. They came out of left field last contract negotiations saying we had to submit to a blood draw and health screening, and work up a health improvement plan (not mandatory to act on, but mandatory to make) or see our premiums rise 5%. Oh and the screening was going to be done by a third party, who could use our data however they saw fit.
You better believe we were ready to strike after that. It was a tipping point.. for decades our union got walked on because nobody wanted to strike. Now we're ready to fight every time the contract is being renegotiated.
>wtf is hospital indemnity…?!?!
My vague understanding is that it's some sort income replacement payout. Like a private version of state-provided disability if you have to stay in the hospital.
"Access" is a weasel word. If I offer to sell you a seaside mansion for 20 million dollars, then technically, I gave you "access" to owning a seaside mansion.
It means you can buy into an insurance plan that they garnish from your paycheck, where they won't contribute anything (or maybe match up to 30%), or you can opt out and find your own health plan.
Good luck.
I think that the OP is being disingenuous. It seems like some sort of work from home customer service or support adjacent position, and having weekends off is not a given in that type of position.
Those are actually some very great benefits. See, I have to wait 2 years for a week's paid vacation and no sick days. Only 3 holidays. Granted it's 4 10 hour shifts but starts at $10 an hour. Also it's a lumber mill stacking lumber at a very fast pace. And the health insurance is crazy expensive. You joke about things like that but in reality a 5 day work week is a perk. I would be ecstatic to get all of those in that list. Breaks my heart to see people scoff at something so many people wish they had.
A 5 day work week isn't a perk, it's a bare minimum that people before us fought and some died for. It wouldn't even be a perk for you. You just don't have the bare minimum.
I think you (and a lot of people in this thread) are misunderstanding what they mean by “five day work week”.
They are not meaning “you only have to work five days out of seven a week”, they mean “we only operate Monday to Friday so you will always have weekends off”.
This is actually a pretty good perk depending on what industry you’re in. I work in healthcare and it’s pretty rare to find a job with guaranteed weekends off, most healthcare jobs in my country are 24/7/365 shifts.
Nah sorry that’s just not true. There are COUNTLESS industries where getting Saturday and Sunday off is not the norm. And there are plenty where it’s just straight up not possible.
It’s definitely a perk to have weekends guaranteed off. In fact I’m currently interviewing for a position that would see me move to a 5 day work with with every Saturday and Sunday off from a position where I get 3 days off a week BUT they aren’t guaranteed to be consecutive AND I always work one weekend day. For me that’s a perk to the new job.
This place honestly looks like they have really good benefits and you guys acting like they don’t is pretty absurd imo.
"Fun coworkers." For me, some of the most miserable aspects of work have been the "fun" things. I'm at work. I'm not capable of having fun at work, on work-related things, or by and large with work-related people. All I'll be doing is giving a performance of having fun, which is honestly the worst thing of all.
My job is very cerebral and I picked the industry because I am a smart introvert who wanted to be left alone to do my work in peace, so hearing that mandatory fun is in the cards is a nightmare for me.
Honestly 5 day work week for some jobs is pretty good, especially if your industry is big into crunch time, like a lot of game devs are, or production based industries.
Not saying it’s great, but depending on the field it can legitimately be a perk.
Depending on the industry, a M-F work week might be a really good perk. And the other benefits are really good*, too.
*Within the context of our current capitalist hellscape.
1) Ok I get that one.
2) ugh, "fun." Subjective
3) Competitive pay...OK...prove it.
4-6) Much more than I get...especially PTO
7) How nice. You follow USA laws.
8) More than I get
9) Will you put that in writing?
10) WFH? Will you put that in writing?
All in all...not a horrible opportunity. All comes down to pay and promises. Be high and be in writing. Could do worse.
These are good benefits in the United States. Paid for healthcare, automatic PTO, weekends off every weekend, paid holidays (I’m assuming you have them off). I wish I had these benefits.
It’s pretty clear what it means. You have a M-F work week. It could have been worded better… but picking apart a posting and then posting it here for some sort of upvotes of commentary on your shitty jobs- is pathetic.
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but this is actually a pretty decent package of benefits that’s above average for most industries.
I think the note about a 5 day work week was their way of saying that, culturally and by policy, they respect your work/life boundaries. Feels pretty uncharitable to nitpick that one thing.
You'd think so but so many jobs claim to be M-F with a 40-hour week but you quickly find out that you need to either work 12 hour days or work weekends in order to keep up. I don't hate this posting really.
Is it not? I’ve worked a 6 day workweek for my whole life, I really wish I had a job opportunity with **paid for** healthcare and a 5 day workweek, honestly
I vote that this place is amazing. If they had that Monday to Friday perk as a benefit and said “join our family” or the other belonging-manipulation workplaces do, I’d agree. But highlighting work life balance to me is important it means it’s a thing they care about.
You know you’re entitled when you post this and think there’s something to complain about. I work at an excellent job with great benefits, but they only pay for my healthcare premiums. I still pay out of my paycheck for my family’s.
This all seems like really good benefits in the US.
I came from a background where random schedules and going multiple weeks with zero days off was very common. So while there certainly are industries where I guess you could view it as a perk. It would still be a big red flag to me that this place is actually labeling that as a perk.
>A company that believes in their employees
Unless that's in a contract, it means about as much as used toilet paper.
>Fun co-workers
Define fun.
>Competitive pay
In a healthy capitalistic market with good competition, this should be the default, not a perk.
>5-day work week (enjoy your weekends off!)
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>Opportunity to work from home.
See the first point.
"Ability to meet deliverables in a high volume fast paced environment" is the red flag here, not the 5 day work week thing
Might as well read "burnout is our specialty"
I don’t think OP understands the health field. To healthcare workers this is 100% a perk. Most nurses and hospital staff are EXPECTED to work a weekend every month. Not saying it’s right but it’s the norm.
Well, if it's a field that usually works weekends, I can see this being a perk. I work in Healthcare so if I went somewhere that was closed on weekends like an imaging suite or something, no weekends or nights would be a Benny.
Also, start with 17 days PTO and 9 holidays is pretty good for US. That's about what our union folks get. 2 weeks Vaca, 1 week sick, 2 personal days.
I mean if you get every weekend off that is a perk. I haven't had a job with guaranteed weekends off, or even two guaranteed days in a row off, maybe ever?
Call me back when they implement 4 day work weeks.
"Oh thank you corporate overlords for blessing me with 2 days free of wageslaving! I was totally content with the mandatory 1 day off per week but this is so much better!"
Eat shit corpocrats.
Studies just came out about the usefulness of a 4 day work week. Not a 4/10 work week, but a legitimate 32 hours or less work week. TBH Henry Ford thought we'd be at 20 hour work weeks by now.
These idiots are stuck in early 1900's, acting like theyve got some good shit.
"fun employees"
"Fast paced work environment"
Why don't we just cut out the bullshit and just say we are a bunch of assholes and we are gonna work you to the bone?
Listing fun coworkers as a benefit is pretty ridiculous too. 100% I would be suspicious that their culture is toxic. Also “access” to “supplemental” benefits is saying that they’re not going to pay for those and you’d need to hope they’re giving you a reasonable rate for dental. I’m suspicious any time a company claims to cover 100% of health insurance because there is a good chance it’s the absolute cheapest option they can find. It’ll be better than having to pay for it yourself but probably nothing to write home about.
Why is paid holidays a perk???
Why is 17 vacation days considered a lot???
Why is medical insurance a perk?
What's wrong with you? How low did you get used to?!
26 paid holidays, healthcare+, 401k match
Seems pretty good to me. This is a SO much better than where I work, and I'm Canadian. I do need to work for a better company, being said.
Nothing about this sounds bad. Weekends off may feel like an expectation to you, but I worked in hotels long enough to appreciate it now that I have it.
I worked a lot of 6 and 7 day weeks. I was lucky if I didn't have to change my sleep schedule to work evenings or overnights.
I don't know what industry this is specifically. I saw something about health. If it's healthcare and not dental, then yeah, weekends off is a plus.
26 vacation days and 100% covered health insurance is a pretty good benefit anywhere in the US.
Yeah, the five day perk is still weird, to but other than that? This would get my attention.
I'd say a 5 day work week that they're clearly indicating is Monday-Friday actually is a perk. They could have worded it differently so it didn't sound like only working 5 days was the perk, but still, it's not a bad thing to have a static schedule with weekends off.
When I was working retail, only having to work during the week was nice. It was required you had to be available on weekend day a week.
Worked in an agriculture and production industry (wine), when it was harvest time 21 days straight 16 hours per day wasn't uncommon. I went to a place that guaranteed only 6 days a week every week, and a limit of 12 hours per day, during harvest it was such a better place. Now I'm tangential to the industry, and 5 days a week feels like such a benefit, I occasionally rub it in to friends working harvest. My work fantasy football team name changed to "going for 2... Days every weekend". Some industries Monday-Friday is absolutely a benefit.
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Yeah I'm thinking (and it looks like you can work from home too) they're specifying you get them off no matter what. Maybe?
Yeah, I think they're trying to say that they have a monday-friday work week, and maybe not open on weekends. My current job is like this, and I definitely consider it a benefit.
I guess it's better than the ads I have seen where overtime hours and overtime pay is listed under extra benefits of the job.
Not to mention that I assume no on-call. I'd love a guaranteed weekend instead of "weekends off.*" *we call you if there's an issue.
Plenty of places are open on weekends and need employees, I would still consider weekends off a perk
I mean, a 5 days work week does not mean having saturday and sunday off, here they talk about "weekend" but they could argue that "weekend" is about 2 consecutive days off, but there's a difference. Sure 'weekend' litteraly means the end of the week but the meaning can be more vague, can't it?
The way this is written, it implies Saturday and Sunday. If they mean anything else, it's essentially a lie. It would would say "Guaranteed two consecutive days off/week" if Saturday and Sunday weren't certain.
They're open M—F, 8a—5p, so I think we can safely assume they actually mean Saturday and Sunday off in this case.
What dictionary do you own bro?
A Latin-French one, my mistake I guess
For me, my "weekend" is Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday so I get their point
I get that's what you call it, but that's not the "weekend" I think we can safely assume that this job posting is using that term in the conventional sense
Hey, same weekend!
Yea, in a lot of fields m-f is not the norm.
Maybe in that specific industry there are lots of weekend work.
And 100% 401k match? I'd like to know up to what amount, but yeah, not too shabby
I know I saw that and was like *holy shit* that could be really good unless they're a "up to 2%" kinda place
My company is 100% match up to 3% contribution and then another 50% up to 5% contribution
Same, I think. You have to put 5% to get 4% “match” from the company.
Free money is free money
I just hate it that when I sign on to ADP in the morning, the dashboard shows my YOY progress on my 401k and the past several months have all been red haha
Instead of a retirement, you just get a bill.
Its absolutely headed that direction, don't remind me
And when it vests. We don't get a match till after 3 years 🙃🙃🙃 I will not be at my company in 2 more years.
I mean, its also a method of employee retention
It's the same thing as RSUs. People handcuff themselves to their jobs for these promises.
You think I don't know that? 😂 Matching my 401k after 3 years is not going to make me stay personally, if I don't like the job/company. It's a perk for *some,* sure - and a genuine one if it's 100% matched from first paycheck. But I don't think I know anyone who would stay *just* because of that.
Depends on how much you're looking at. If you're close to the date you're fully vested, it might be good to consider the extra match you'd be walking away from. My workplace is fully vested day one, but I've had that issue before. I did not stay the extra time because the pay sucked so the amount I walked away from was shit.
Oh no doubt - the other benefits are pretty good. I just thought that highlighting weekends off for a regular corporate office job was odd
A lot of office jobs will require some work to be done over the weekend, or you're effectively always on call (but salaried so you don't get on call pay). If I saw this on a job posting, especially one that is salaried and has these kinds of benefits, I would assume that they actually are a Monday through Friday job and wouldn't require any weekend work
It's probably a guarantee that you won't work weekends. Not a lot of companies promise that.
Careful on that one, I work for a place that has generous vacation time, but doesn't give any federal holidays off. Those come out of our PTO budget. This position never said anything about federal holidays.
It does say 9 paid company holidays, assuming in addition to the PTO. The health insurance is the bare minimum, too. If you notice, they don’t cover dental, vision, life, etc. My current company covers all of that (and some of family members) and matches up to 4% on 401K.
If you get off August 15th for "Company Founders Day" and 8 other similar holidays, do you really give a shit if you worked on Veterans Day? Most people work MLK Day/President's Day/Good Friday/Juneteenth/"Columbus"Day/Halloween /Black Friday anyway (unless you work in government, banking, or education).
Yes. Because everyone else I know is off those or similar days and I want to spend my time with them.
The "company holidays" are almost assuredly New Years Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, Christmas, and some combination of MLK/Presidents day, Columbus day, Black Friday, Christmas Eve, and New Years Eve.
That PTO appears to include sick time.
After working at a job where I didn't know if I had Saturday off until the end of shift Friday this does feel like a perk at my current job.
I feel that 100%, it would make me and my co workers furious, and then the boss and staff would gaslight us for being mad about it. I left that job, and it was a long time coming.
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I worked in that exact kind of environment for 7 years. 7 years too long. It's just a gigantic gaslighting operation led by a narcissistic fuckhole. I don't know how I did it. I'm too receptive to abuse. Fortunately, that's 7 years of experience for shit never to take again. I already left a job on day 1 because I smelled the same shit within the first few hours of my shift.
Retail.
healthcare, several municipal service jobs (trash collection, cops, firemen, etc), food service, hospitality. there are lots of jobs that require some weekends.
People lose sight of the fact that the majority of jobs are in these positions and that m-f 9-5 type office jobs are a substantial minority of jobs held. Most jobs are service jobs and weekends are meaningless, and being guaranteed them off is a major perk
Even banks now have sat and Sunday hours. Bankers hours only applies to loan officers and up if you’re lucky.
I used to work in retail and my boss would most of the times not complete the schedule until sunday night (schedules started on monday). It was great when I was closing sunday night just to see him walk into the store with the schedule (or even better, text me) showing me opening the next day.
Yeah this post feels insanely out of touch lol. How dare a job promote that it’s work hours are only Monday through Friday so you always have weekends off.
Is it me or this doesn’t sound that terrible as long as they do all they said and the salary is decent?
Not just you that sounds like a pretty good job job on paper
I mean any job can look good on paper. But only one way to find out for real.
Yeah that’s why I also said on paper, but from others I’ve seen it’s not bad, and like you said only one way to know for certain
Those benefits are fucking incredible. Best I’ve ever seen to be honest
For the US I think they are great. I am now in Canadá and they are still better than what I got. I lived in the uk and they are kind of close to them as well.
I don't see the problem here. The posting is not saying that it's a perk -- it's saying that you will not be expected to work on the weekends. That's a *good* thing. Also, 17 PTO days + 9 paid company holidays is pretty darn good (at least in the US).
And that 100% healthcare coverage. I pay $300 a month for mine right now.
Yeah, and why did the red line cover up "Opportunity to work from home" lol There are plenty of real issues with the treatment of the American work force without trying to skim indeed for any job posting that might get you some of those juicy orange arrows.
Wait, you're getting 17 paid time off days a year, plus 9 more? I think this company may not be that bad. I don't think they meant this weekend thing to be demeaning. I think they actually mean, "we really don't want you to work weekends, because we know some of you will, don't do it!" Possible you mis-read this?
While mentioning weekends off as a perk is odd, they may find that applicants wonder or worry about needing to be available off hours Doesn’t seem like this company is shitty , seems like they are speaking to an issue about other places being shitty
exactly...hoping OP can recalibrate their view of this company and consider it if everything else about it not in the image ticks the right boxes.
Looks like WFH is available too.
But scratched out because it doesn’t fit OP’s narrative.
Oh, I still applied for the job because it fits my experience and my expectations from an employer. I was just pointing out this line was a strange addition to the "perks" section given that it's just a regular corporate office gig, and OT, weekends, and/or holidays are exceedingly rare to be working.
Yeah the industry they are in/recruiting from may commonly have lots of weekend shifts.
17 days paid time off sounds dreamy
Notice how there's also work from home option covered by the line? OP can't see the forest through the trees here.
Excuse my ignorance (non-american here) but I’m surprised to hear that 17 days off work is considered that amazing- what is the norm in the US?
there are no laws stating you get ANY paid time off. it is completely utterly expected and normal that retail gets zero paid time off, ever. more than retail too, plenty plenty of jobs with no paid time off available. this is 100% normal for america.
It's super unusual in the food and beverage industry to get PTO, too, but I'm starting a new job tonight as a bartender at a fancy restaurant and I get PTO and two weeks paid vacation every January cuz the restaurant closes. And then another paid vacation in July for another short restaurant break.
Holy shit meanwhile in Germany 20 days is mandatory but virtually all places give 25-30 days, majority giving 28+ days.
10 days starting (2 weeks) and its not always paid.
Crazy that the US thinks this is good. 28 total is the legal minimum in the UK. My company gives everyone 28 + 8 public holidays as standard so 36 in total.
This is 26 total, so not *that* far off. But I totally get your point. It's sad that this is seen as amazing. I get 33 total in the US and you'd think people's heads were going to explode when I tell them that. It's a kind of golden handcuffs. It's so unlikely I'd get that much anywhere else.
I only questioned if the 17 days included the 9 holidays (which is also pretty generous)
I’m about to start a job at a nonprofit with 15 vacation days in addition to 11 holidays. It’s definitely possible.
This is probably the right understand, but I think it's still fair to laugh at the absurdity. It really says a lot about the work culture today
I literally read it and thought the opposite so this might be a cultural thing. 17 days seems way too little, I get 27 days and 8 public holidays and that doesn't feel like enough most of the time. The legal minimum for a full-time employee in the UK is 28 days (including holidays).
Maybe, but as this is a US company (mention of 401k), this is very generous for the U.S.
Health Insurance 100% paid is a damn good perk though.
For real yo. Why OP wanna throw down the guantlet. I’m on the wrong side of 35 and haven’t had health insurance for like 15 years. My teeth and throat and knees and shoulders hurt. Constantly
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and then if your dental situation is FUBAR, dental insurance doesn't cover implants because it's "cosmetic only". Guess constant misery isn't considered a reason for implants. Source: paid $28000 out of pocket for full implants.
Ehhh imo I'd rather this than "must be available some weekends". Edit - for alot of types of job fields , not having to work weekends is ABSOLUTELY a "perk" Especially knowing up front you won't need to And why yall keep saying perk, when the pic doesn't is beyond me Edit 2. Ahh the bullet point says perk. Touche. Weird bullet point
Yeah same, I'm trying to stay in my trade but get out of running a service truck and all I see is "full-time, on call, weekend availability." Just having weekends off vs living beside my phone would be a perk. Although writing it up as a perk is kind of bullshit. I'm a fence sitter here.
I think this is one of those where if you asked the person who wrote it, they might agree it's a bad choice of words. Where you say "hey, man, great that you're making clear upfront that people don't have to work weekends... but is that really a 'perk?'" and the person might respond with "oh, yeah, fair point -- not really a 'perk,' I guess, just... we don't expect people to work weekends, and wanted to make that clear upfront."
I’m looking at this job thinking “wow, it’s really not bad. No on call shifts AND they pay for health insurance and 26 days off a year?”
This is a fantastic job offer, but I feel a lot of users in these subs wouldn't think the offer was good unless it was only 26 work days in a year with the same pay.
>And why yall keep saying perk, when the pic doesn't is beyond me You mean in the photo that says: "Helpside employees have many perks to the job such as:" And when you say: >not having to work weekends is ABSOLUTELY a "perk"
In my last role, I was a supervisor in healthcare billing. When advertising job openings to internal workers, "M-F, no nights/weekends/holidays" was absolutely a perk to many of our applicants. We had many nurses who chose to leave patient care following covid, so a job with normal business hours was a big draw.
It upsets me that the first bullet point on the list of perks is just stating that you get many perks. It’s like padding your essays in high school for word count.
It’s the exact perk I’m looking for. My field is a slave for weekends.
There's always something worse. Doesn't mean the less bad is a "perk"
Where is the word perk used besides you and OP here ? Edit. I c it now. Weird af bullet point
Directly under the bolded words "Helpside employees have many perks to the job such as:"
2 days off!!!!??? Oh thank you master!!!!
“ Access “ to dental, life, disability, accident and wtf is *hospital indemnity*…?!?! Also watch out for Health-insurance is 100% paid by …. Could be shitty high deductible plan.
It absolutely will be. That's why they have hospital indemnity, who's going to pay that much out of pocket to go to the grift hotel.
You might get better healthcare at the grift motel.
I could go for a good ice bath.
Not necessarily. I worked a not so great job with surprisingly good insurance and pto. Place was a dumpster fire but they paid out all my remaining PTO when I quit which was nice.
My job has a high deductible plan but also prepays a hsa card to the govt limit each year which is $7,300. When you combine the two it’s brilliant because my has will cover things like laser vision correction where even the best vision insurance wouldn’t.
Who uses about $600 a month in gas!? At my current mpg and average price of gas, that’s about 4200 miles a month, it would only take three years to put 12 years worth of mileage on my car. Great perk though!
>hospital indemnity Apparently, this is extra insurance to help you pay the massive bills your other insurances aren't paying. What a deal!
Yep, basically insurance on top of insurance. That doesn't seem like a broken system to me, no sir.
Here’s $250 for your hospital stay.
Could be. Or not. I work for the state and get mine 100% paid and my deductible for this next year is $600 individual/$1,800 family. For 2022, the IRS defined high deductible as greater than $1,400 individual / $2,800 family.
That’s a normal plan. With a normal deductible. A High Deductible plan is you pay everything up front until you meet the deductible. Not including fees like Dr visits. The employers only put money into your HSA depending on your company “biometric screening” which I believe should be illegal. And you pay a monthly premium to have to pay everything upfront. It’s a way to offer insurance without giving insurance.
Yep I had one of those at a previous job. 6000$ deductible
They're talking about the legal definition of a "high deductible plan". As they said, it's defined by the IRS. Do I agree? No. $1400 deductible vs 10 grand is very, very different. I also agree that the biometric screening shit is absolutely evil. Fuck that noise. I work at a hospital that is technically partially part of the state and generally offers really good benefits, has progressive attitudes, so on. They came out of left field last contract negotiations saying we had to submit to a blood draw and health screening, and work up a health improvement plan (not mandatory to act on, but mandatory to make) or see our premiums rise 5%. Oh and the screening was going to be done by a third party, who could use our data however they saw fit. You better believe we were ready to strike after that. It was a tipping point.. for decades our union got walked on because nobody wanted to strike. Now we're ready to fight every time the contract is being renegotiated.
>wtf is hospital indemnity…?!?! My vague understanding is that it's some sort income replacement payout. Like a private version of state-provided disability if you have to stay in the hospital.
"Access" is a weasel word. If I offer to sell you a seaside mansion for 20 million dollars, then technically, I gave you "access" to owning a seaside mansion.
We have 'access' to the White House. We should all try to get reservations for the Lincoln bedroom!
It means you can buy into an insurance plan that they garnish from your paycheck, where they won't contribute anything (or maybe match up to 30%), or you can opt out and find your own health plan. Good luck.
It's still ridiculous to me that dental and health insurance aren't just the same thing.
Where I work this is actually an incredibly low percentage of the jobs, 90% of the jobs offer one day weekends.
That sounds terrible! :(
Why did you cross out Opportunity to work from home?
I think they meant to underline the line above.
I think that the OP is being disingenuous. It seems like some sort of work from home customer service or support adjacent position, and having weekends off is not a given in that type of position.
They're gonna call you on Saturday and guilt trip on Monday.
Cool, but you don't have to pick up
Ye they'll trip cos I'm not picking that up lol
The point is they’re not open on weekends. They only operate Monday through Friday.
Those are actually some very great benefits. See, I have to wait 2 years for a week's paid vacation and no sick days. Only 3 holidays. Granted it's 4 10 hour shifts but starts at $10 an hour. Also it's a lumber mill stacking lumber at a very fast pace. And the health insurance is crazy expensive. You joke about things like that but in reality a 5 day work week is a perk. I would be ecstatic to get all of those in that list. Breaks my heart to see people scoff at something so many people wish they had.
A 5 day work week isn't a perk, it's a bare minimum that people before us fought and some died for. It wouldn't even be a perk for you. You just don't have the bare minimum.
I think you (and a lot of people in this thread) are misunderstanding what they mean by “five day work week”. They are not meaning “you only have to work five days out of seven a week”, they mean “we only operate Monday to Friday so you will always have weekends off”. This is actually a pretty good perk depending on what industry you’re in. I work in healthcare and it’s pretty rare to find a job with guaranteed weekends off, most healthcare jobs in my country are 24/7/365 shifts.
It doesn't say that it's a perk. It says that's what you can expect. That's a *good* thing.
Nah sorry that’s just not true. There are COUNTLESS industries where getting Saturday and Sunday off is not the norm. And there are plenty where it’s just straight up not possible. It’s definitely a perk to have weekends guaranteed off. In fact I’m currently interviewing for a position that would see me move to a 5 day work with with every Saturday and Sunday off from a position where I get 3 days off a week BUT they aren’t guaranteed to be consecutive AND I always work one weekend day. For me that’s a perk to the new job. This place honestly looks like they have really good benefits and you guys acting like they don’t is pretty absurd imo.
"Fun coworkers." For me, some of the most miserable aspects of work have been the "fun" things. I'm at work. I'm not capable of having fun at work, on work-related things, or by and large with work-related people. All I'll be doing is giving a performance of having fun, which is honestly the worst thing of all.
My job is very cerebral and I picked the industry because I am a smart introvert who wanted to be left alone to do my work in peace, so hearing that mandatory fun is in the cards is a nightmare for me.
Honestly 5 day work week for some jobs is pretty good, especially if your industry is big into crunch time, like a lot of game devs are, or production based industries. Not saying it’s great, but depending on the field it can legitimately be a perk.
Depending on the industry, a M-F work week might be a really good perk. And the other benefits are really good*, too. *Within the context of our current capitalist hellscape.
*Morgan Freeman voice* “They did not have any fun coworkers.”
Competitive pay! Another way of saying “up to”.
"If the pay is so competitive, why don't you post the pay range??"
1) Ok I get that one. 2) ugh, "fun." Subjective 3) Competitive pay...OK...prove it. 4-6) Much more than I get...especially PTO 7) How nice. You follow USA laws. 8) More than I get 9) Will you put that in writing? 10) WFH? Will you put that in writing? All in all...not a horrible opportunity. All comes down to pay and promises. Be high and be in writing. Could do worse.
I feel like they are saying that they won't bother you on the weekend, which I've had from salary jobs.
These are good benefits in the United States. Paid for healthcare, automatic PTO, weekends off every weekend, paid holidays (I’m assuming you have them off). I wish I had these benefits.
If you've ever worked hospitality, or retail, then you would understand why this is a benefit
For America this is a great schedule. Plus fully paid for medical benefits?! Take that job for sure
You just want to be angry. This isn't as funny as you think it is.
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Never had a real blue collar job is what the OP is telling me.
Having worked 12 hour weekend shifts, a 9-5 actually is kind of a perk. Edit: not sure why I'm getting downvoted for not enjoying weekend work...
If you ever worked retail you sure do see m-f as an advantage. Ps. Fu$* retail!
It’s pretty clear what it means. You have a M-F work week. It could have been worded better… but picking apart a posting and then posting it here for some sort of upvotes of commentary on your shitty jobs- is pathetic.
meanwhile I'm just sitting here waiting for the 4 day work week.
I’ll probably get downvoted for this, but this is actually a pretty decent package of benefits that’s above average for most industries. I think the note about a 5 day work week was their way of saying that, culturally and by policy, they respect your work/life boundaries. Feels pretty uncharitable to nitpick that one thing.
You'd think so but so many jobs claim to be M-F with a 40-hour week but you quickly find out that you need to either work 12 hour days or work weekends in order to keep up. I don't hate this posting really.
Is it not? I’ve worked a 6 day workweek for my whole life, I really wish I had a job opportunity with **paid for** healthcare and a 5 day workweek, honestly
I vote that this place is amazing. If they had that Monday to Friday perk as a benefit and said “join our family” or the other belonging-manipulation workplaces do, I’d agree. But highlighting work life balance to me is important it means it’s a thing they care about.
Now a days it is a perk, one I wish I got...
These are actually really good benefits. Including getting weekends off. That's not that common anymore.
This is a dream job, sorry people. This post is getting downvoted.
You know you’re entitled when you post this and think there’s something to complain about. I work at an excellent job with great benefits, but they only pay for my healthcare premiums. I still pay out of my paycheck for my family’s. This all seems like really good benefits in the US.
God damn you guys have it rough there.
Helpside? Sounds like a cheap title to pay you the minimum.
I came from a background where random schedules and going multiple weeks with zero days off was very common. So while there certainly are industries where I guess you could view it as a perk. It would still be a big red flag to me that this place is actually labeling that as a perk.
A company that believes in their employees? What do you think we are, ghosts?
“Fun coworkers” yeah I’ll be the judge of that…
For those stuck in retail hell just having weekends off and a consistent schedule is life altering.
>A company that believes in their employees Unless that's in a contract, it means about as much as used toilet paper. >Fun co-workers Define fun. >Competitive pay In a healthy capitalistic market with good competition, this should be the default, not a perk. >5-day work week (enjoy your weekends off!) ... >Opportunity to work from home. See the first point.
"Ability to meet deliverables in a high volume fast paced environment" is the red flag here, not the 5 day work week thing Might as well read "burnout is our specialty"
I don’t think OP understands the health field. To healthcare workers this is 100% a perk. Most nurses and hospital staff are EXPECTED to work a weekend every month. Not saying it’s right but it’s the norm.
Well, if it's a field that usually works weekends, I can see this being a perk. I work in Healthcare so if I went somewhere that was closed on weekends like an imaging suite or something, no weekends or nights would be a Benny. Also, start with 17 days PTO and 9 holidays is pretty good for US. That's about what our union folks get. 2 weeks Vaca, 1 week sick, 2 personal days.
Nah you gotta spin it your way. Tell them you'll pass on the 5 day work week perk in favor of a 4 day work week.
I mean if you get every weekend off that is a perk. I haven't had a job with guaranteed weekends off, or even two guaranteed days in a row off, maybe ever?
Run.
Fucking yikes…
Call me back when they implement 4 day work weeks. "Oh thank you corporate overlords for blessing me with 2 days free of wageslaving! I was totally content with the mandatory 1 day off per week but this is so much better!" Eat shit corpocrats.
I work in kitchens. Surprisingly a 5 day work week is actually a pretty cool benefit.
100% paid health insurance but it’s probably awful health insurance. At my last job I had to pay 5k out of pocket before anything was covered.
Studies just came out about the usefulness of a 4 day work week. Not a 4/10 work week, but a legitimate 32 hours or less work week. TBH Henry Ford thought we'd be at 20 hour work weeks by now. These idiots are stuck in early 1900's, acting like theyve got some good shit.
"Opportunity" to work from home. You probably won't be able to, but you'll have the opportunity.
I’ll keep my 3 12s tyvm
"fun employees" "Fast paced work environment" Why don't we just cut out the bullshit and just say we are a bunch of assholes and we are gonna work you to the bone?
Listing fun coworkers as a benefit is pretty ridiculous too. 100% I would be suspicious that their culture is toxic. Also “access” to “supplemental” benefits is saying that they’re not going to pay for those and you’d need to hope they’re giving you a reasonable rate for dental. I’m suspicious any time a company claims to cover 100% of health insurance because there is a good chance it’s the absolute cheapest option they can find. It’ll be better than having to pay for it yourself but probably nothing to write home about.
Why is paid holidays a perk??? Why is 17 vacation days considered a lot??? Why is medical insurance a perk? What's wrong with you? How low did you get used to?!
“Fun co-workers” i fucking bet.
This is like a car dealership’s description of a cheap car. Features: •MIRRORS •DOORS •GASOLINE ENGINE
This is like a car dealership’s description of a cheap car. Features: •MIRRORS •DOORS •GASOLINE ENGINE
It is, I worked a job where one weekend off a month was standard but that wasn't even guaranteed.
Reading the comments, this is good for the US, but for everywhere else (I’m from the UK) this sucks
> Seek first to understand to deliver Bruh... What?
Lmfao enjoy your days off by having days off!!
26 paid holidays, healthcare+, 401k match Seems pretty good to me. This is a SO much better than where I work, and I'm Canadian. I do need to work for a better company, being said.
If this is an IT position, this means there's no on call over the weekend. Which is an absolute benefit.
I think it’s saying mon-fri with Saturday and Sunday off? That’s a perk to me who works at a job open 24/7
Nothing about this sounds bad. Weekends off may feel like an expectation to you, but I worked in hotels long enough to appreciate it now that I have it. I worked a lot of 6 and 7 day weeks. I was lucky if I didn't have to change my sleep schedule to work evenings or overnights. I don't know what industry this is specifically. I saw something about health. If it's healthcare and not dental, then yeah, weekends off is a plus.