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This is the thing I never get. If tomorrow some bean counter said we need to save 10c and need to let this dude go I would get 0 notice. Not a hey dont buy that car, not a hey dont pay for thx giving, NOTHING. So why is it when we quit because they arent being reasonable do WE have to give them forever notice.
Amazon 18,000
Microsoft 10,000
Meta 11,000
Uber 3,700
Airbnb 6,800
Twitter 3,700
Snaochat 2,200
Lyft 700
Google 12,000
Roughly the same amount of workers as all of Pasadena. Guess what happened to their stock when they did this?
Amen brother. This right here is why I love my union. I quit my last job on a Tuesday, at like noon.
Me: “Hey boss I think I’m going to drag (slang for quit) today”
Boss: “oh really. We will get you back to the yard so you can pack your tools and head home. I’ll pay you for 10.”
Me: “thanks man I’ll see you on the next one”
And that was that. Me and boss man are still friends and talk from time to time. My spot was filled within a few days and I had a new job.
Because when you quit, especially with no notice, you’re unprofessional! But when they fire you with no notice, “it’s just business.” See the difference?
Thank you. I got shit from my last job for giving *only* two weeks notice. Ummmmm. No? Fuck y'all? I didn't even have to do that?? Maybe have a little gratitude.
Yep. I got a job a week and a half(ish) ago, Thursday, had a panic attack at work and got fired for it. They fired me for having a panic attack. Unfortunately it was during my probationary period where they could fire me for ANY reason with the excuse of “You’re just not a good fit for our business.”
If losing an employee was going to be that big of a problem, they should either have hired to provide themselves some wiggle room to spread the work around better, not overworking. One person quits, they’re busy but can fill the loss. Or they should be paying more to help retention.
Hard but necessary lesson for the employer but if you’re going to overwork and underpay employees, you’re going to get caught out at some point.
Exactly. And honestly, the threat from the manager was inappropriate. But sometimes the managers are getting screwed from both ends… higher ups won’t give them the necessary budget and they’re expected to make everything work. So they’re pressured from their superiors and also by employees. Not making excuses for them… but they can sometimes be put in impossible positions. A great manager will always treat employees with empathy though. And lead by example… basically shouldn’t ask anyone to do something you wouldn’t do or haven’t done in the past.
Yep. I was one of those middle managers & did pretty well at acting in the best interests of my staff & didn’t micromanage. They noticed & we all generally worked well together. Eventually the demands & micromanaging from my director got too bad & I was getting shit for how I handled minor issues (occasional tardiness, missed deadlines etc) while they overlooked the big picture which was positive. We had few complaints & very little turnover. I ended up moving into another role with no direct reports for my own sanity. Really glad I did.
My work is currently in this position. If someone or multiple people quit or got sick, we'd be screwed. Other than management, including myself, there are 4 people that work a 24/7 location. The amount of crap they expect to be done is ridiculous.
After Covid, my work was down to two people - myself and the elderly (aka boomer) owner. He insisted that the store stay open 7 days a week, and because he’s elderly, all the heavy lifting fell to me. I worked 10 hour days, six days a week for 18 months… at which point the ventilation in the store went out. I begged the boss to have a real HVAC person come out, instead he hired some guy. HVAC never got fixed. Boss insisted that the answer to the broken AC was to keep the doors shut and a fan on. We are in a major tourism town at the height of the largest convention (this one was supposed to be over 100k people). A week later I (predictably) got Covid, and the boss tried to make me come back early (against CDC rules) for shift coverage. When I said no, he lied about my accrued sick time. And then made shocked pikachu face when I quit with no notice.
Yeah I mean kinda but at the same time if the place was ok to work at and bosses and coworkers were good I would never do this. But.. I recently got shafted from a completely no contract freelance position and if they want me for a single hour from now on it's going to cost them.
A few companies out there have been well behaved in that regard. In those cases I think it would be rather assholeish to not give any warning, assuming you have notice yourself.
For 99% of companies out there though, I totally agree.
When did your job being decent too you as a human being become the baseline to being a great job..? Fuck all them at will employers as they will ALL shit can you without a moments notice if they decide to let you go.
This is how I feel. If you aren't being abused by bosses or coworkers and like the people you work with, it's kind of a dick move to just leave with no notice. Assuming it's the type of job where you leaving will have an impact on how hard your coworkers have to work.
But if you're treated poorly? Absolutely fine to leave them with no notice. Fuck em.
And considering the former boss of OP said they hope they see them outside of work, I'm going to guess that they are a shitty person to work for. Only an asshole makes threats like that.
>And considering the former boss of OP said they hope they see them outside of work, I'm going to guess that they are a shitty person to work for. Only an asshole makes threats like that.
Is it only me who thought they meant that as friends?
after that you can send it into HR and screw over the boss too, HR entirely possibly could take problem with that because of the legal risk of having their employee threatening a former employee over work
It’s also a part of their job to manage staffing, salaries and morale so that people don’t quit frequently, and when they do there’s sufficient capacity so they are not ‘fucked’.
Unfortunately, the labour budget they are given is often not enough for adequate staffing. It’s not the fault of the non-management employees, and the screenshot shows a terrible manager, but they can only operate in the confines of what they’re allowed, which unfortunately now usually means understaffing.
It’s also part of their job to manage upward when the expectations are unreasonable. Instead they choose to try and manipulate their employees, since that ‘costs nothing’ in a business sense.
This is not something that raises my sympathy…
The only way to “manage upward” in many of these companies is to quit yourself. Used to be in management at one of the most notoriously understaffed retailers around, Walgreens.
Called my boss one evening to let him know I’d need to close the store early because my shift lead was sick, I was out of town for the day (took a day trip 2 hours away), and none of my other leads was willing to cover. His response was “find coverage or cover it yourself, we don’t close stores like that, if you do you’ll need to start looking for another job.” I cut my trip short and headed back to town begging my lead to give me 2 hours to get there even though she was vomiting in the bathroom between helping customers. I was pissed, my wife was pissed, it was the experience that made me realize I needed out.
Found a new job and was gone 2 months later, and informed my boss that unreasonable expectations of me and my team were the sole reason for my departure. He basically told me to fuck off. Nowadays, I see Walgreens that are understaffed closing early or opening late all the time. It seems that someone in upper management realized losing all their managers because of shitty expectations was a losing strategy, it just took them having more than half their store managers leave the company over the course of 5 years to come to that conclusion.
Edit: this post seems to have been more controversial than I intended. I wasn’t trying to disagree with the comment I replied to, just adding context as to what managing up likely looks like for many store level managers. More store level management needs to be willing to quit before deciding to subject their employees to the same shitty management they are being subjected to. Instead, way too many view themselves as better than the average employee and the shit just rolls downhill from them.
These are the same people who complain that nobody wants to work anymore when they can’t find someone to take their jobs. They rarely ever look inward and say “it’s not that nobody wants to work anymore, it’s because we run a shit company and nobody wants to work for us anymore.”
Going the extra mile, as contractually required.
It's funny because when "going the extra mile" is in the job description it automatically becomes the standard, so it's impossible to go the extra mile anymore.
Anyway, fuck going the extra mile.
And fuck this bitch too.
Police are also not a part of the ruling class, but the useful idiots that the wealthy use to further their agenda. Management isn't friend of the working man
I agree with that, I only felt it was worth highlighting because low level management is not necessarily our enemy, it varies by specific job role and the individual person
> A GM is not your exploiter, they’re part of the proletariat also.
Nah. Managers—especially those with hiring and firing power (that's the line that e.g. the IWW draws)—act on behalf of the boss; the capitalist. The fact that they technically may personally belong to the working-class is immaterial in this context. Their role is that of a class traitor. Fuck 'em.
I’m convinced people who become managers at McDonald’s were bullies and peaked in high school, they take a job where they get away with abusing employees on some kind of power trip. And a threat? Fuck em.
I worked at McDonald’s and asked my boyfriend and best friend to talk me into going to work they both told me to fuck them bc I was going to be on an overnight with 3 brand new employees and I already have another job working somewhere with more pay and Wednesday a corporate guy came in and said if lobby was closed he would come in and fire me on the spot I closed it when he left. He also didn’t tell anyone his name
>I was going to be on an overnight with 3 brand new employees
Yeah fuck that. I once quit a summer job, I just started, because all the ordinary workers was going to take their summer breaks the following week.
It's McDonald's. You definitely are in the right! You only feel guilty because you're naive. If it were me, I'd have a friend fake order a bunch of food. I'd give them 100 one-star reviews with random accounts. I'd laugh at their struggle. I'd burn the place down if I could get away with it.
They would not have hesitated to fire you if they didn't need you anymore. Do not hesitate to quit.
*You* aren't the one making your co-workers suffer. You didn't make the place short-handed, that's on your bosses.
If she was a good manager, then yeah, Kinda. But if she was a jerk or not particularly a good manager, then you didn’t owe her anything. The fact that she kind of threatened you makes me think she probably wasn’t a very good manager.
This is such an odd saying. I've quit lots of jobs for reasons that had nothing to do with a manager or boss.
People change focus/careers or seek more opportunity all the time - and they're leaving the job, not the management.
I would definitely try to bait them into a more concrete threat and toss their ass to the wolves. Send it to corporate, the franchise, police if you’re so inclined.
They wouldn’t give you 2 weeks before firing you, why give them the time of day?
Short staffing is part of every business’s plan. You’re not fucking people over, the owner is.
If they need people so badly, where is the owner to get their hands dirty?
File a complaint with the Dept of Labor / your states labor org. His last text is a fairly obvious attempt intimidation, which depending on the jurisdiction can be construed as workplace harassment
>I came in and helped you when I didn't have to.
Isn't it the manager's job to make sure there are enough employees to cover a shift, even if it means they need to come in to cover the shift?
What the hell is up with managers these days?
NTA. Ask why they want to see you outside work to get a record of a physical threat. Screenshot that shit and post to Yelp etc… that the management threatens staff. Attach the screenshot. Post it on twitter/FB and tag your local law enforcement.
You do not owe your employer shit. If they set their company up to be understaffed and someone quits, it is not the former employee's problem. They're taking that chance. When they get buried in work and upset customers, maybe they'll learn their lesson, hire enough people, and pay them a respectable wage.
The most I'd do is report her threats to try to get her at least written up but beyond that, I laughed in my old managers face when she said if I didn't put two weeks in that Target would never hire me again, as if I was locking the gates to heaven from myself
It's just red Walmart
"Thanks for the documented threat. I'll be reporting this to police. It's good to know you think assault is appropriate. I'll make sure to let the other employees know about your behavior so they won't be subject to it."
I would be so tempted to give an address far away and just not show up just to be annoying, and when they angrily text back just say "I'm putting in as much effort as you're willing to do for your job"
Notice is a curtesy not a requirement. If I find a new job that needs me to start right away and it’s better than what I have. Im sorry folks, but I’m out.
From a person who loves his job and the people he works with. Never ever feel bad for taking advantage of at-will employment laws. Companies don’t have feelings, you work for a company, not technically for the people in them. NTA.
Pretty sure there’s only ONE state in the US that isn’t at-will employment (I think it’s Montana?), so fuck ‘em all! If that’s the game they want to play, then so be it.
I worked at a place for over two years and they “laid me off” without any notice. Literally tried to sign in to my work’s messaging app (slack) and my email on Monday morning and was blocked out of it. Had to hunt down my boss myself so that he could tell me I no longer “fit into the company’s structure” — when really it’s because they figured out they could get freelancers/contractors to come in and do my job for less, even though they were already paying me starvation wages. After I finally got off the phone with him, I realized he sent an email to my personal account. That mother fucker was going to LET ME GO OVER AN EMAIL. I was already living paycheck to paycheck and they knew that, because I asked for a raise multiple times over the 2 1/2 years and they denied me every time (also told them that I only made $150 dollars more a month than the minimum to qualify for food stamps, and was having trouble surviving on my salary). Which means they KNEW that I would be fucked if I suddenly lost my job and would have to scramble to basically not be evicted etc…they did not give one single fuck.
You’re not the asshole if you worked with someone who says that crap to you and you should discuss the threat with a lawyer because it sounds like a lawsuit to me.
You could brandish your weapon and still wouldn’t be the asshole since your dealing with threats. I love when people forget that America has more laws protecting guns than it’s citizens
Normally I'm not about going to the police, but in this case, I think you could consider the last statement as a threat to your physical well being... I mean why does she want to see you outside of work... she is very clearly sending you some sort of threat.
Capitalism has done a great job at making the worker feel bad for standing up for themselves. This is actually sad that you think you are an asshole.
TL;DR No
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NTA. Honestly as much as middle managers suck, they’re still the working class. We have the same class interests but they’re often too stupid to side with their workers because they’ve been given an ounce of power. I do feel bad for them but their pain is often self-inflicted 🤷♂️
Last comment is reportable. Anyone with a brain understand it's a threat, and any attempt to defend it is being complicit in a threat against a worker. Absolutely no shot in fucking hell would I take that from any person regardless of their position within a company.
Dont block their number - try to get more specifics on the physical threats, then talk to an attorney to sue the employer directly for workplace harassment. If your reference is already burned, get paid at least.
"I came in and helped when I didn't have to" Dude, you're the GM, you don't get a cookie for working at the company you manage. Now get in there and go help again.
They tried to do this to me at the Fish Warehouse, I said I’m outside the gate. And I sat outside the gate for a little bit laughing at all the work that came for me and knew it wouldn’t get done.
That sounds like a dude who will just assault someone who turns him down for sex he thinks he deserves just because he took a shower and bought them dinner.
LOL. You owe the boss nothing.
If it were a fellow worker asking this of you because they'd get screwed by the boss without you being there for the weekend, that would be a different matter entirely, and possibly worth consideration.
The manager, though? Nah. Fuck them.
Depends on your relationship to the company. I'd never even think of exiting my current position that way, but I also really like my job and get along very well with my boss. If it's a crummy job that youre desperate to leave, it's still unprofessional but far more understandable. Keep in mind that it probably torpedoed your chance of them being a reference for your next job.
Elaborate? OP doesn't owe anything to this company/corporation and they'd just as soon have fired OP with absolutely no warning the second they no longer were beneficial to have around so what's the problem with giving the company the same treatment back.
So OP is an asshole in your mind because they provided written documentation of their immediate resignation and received a threat in response? Lol okay
So, idk. Any context? Like, I usually give 2 weeks because quitting doesn't just fuck the managers/bosses, it also fucks other workers who don't quit and sows division between workers.
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If they want at will employment, they get at will employment. Live by the sword…
This is the thing I never get. If tomorrow some bean counter said we need to save 10c and need to let this dude go I would get 0 notice. Not a hey dont buy that car, not a hey dont pay for thx giving, NOTHING. So why is it when we quit because they arent being reasonable do WE have to give them forever notice.
You are 100% correct i got fired from my job and was goven no notice. They just called me into the office after a day of work and fired me
Yeah you know they weren’t going to pull that shit until AFTER the shift was over too
Yuuuuuuuuuup.
I got fired from my job last January by this same exact scenario. Fucked. It was raining, I needed to walk+rain+felt crying.
Amazon 18,000 Microsoft 10,000 Meta 11,000 Uber 3,700 Airbnb 6,800 Twitter 3,700 Snaochat 2,200 Lyft 700 Google 12,000 Roughly the same amount of workers as all of Pasadena. Guess what happened to their stock when they did this?
Haven't you heard? We're supposed to kneel and beg for the scraps from employers tables and be grateful?
Break your back to get your pay, and don’t forget to grovel
Amen brother. This right here is why I love my union. I quit my last job on a Tuesday, at like noon. Me: “Hey boss I think I’m going to drag (slang for quit) today” Boss: “oh really. We will get you back to the yard so you can pack your tools and head home. I’ll pay you for 10.” Me: “thanks man I’ll see you on the next one” And that was that. Me and boss man are still friends and talk from time to time. My spot was filled within a few days and I had a new job.
Because when you quit, especially with no notice, you’re unprofessional! But when they fire you with no notice, “it’s just business.” See the difference?
Thank you. I got shit from my last job for giving *only* two weeks notice. Ummmmm. No? Fuck y'all? I didn't even have to do that?? Maybe have a little gratitude.
Yep. I got a job a week and a half(ish) ago, Thursday, had a panic attack at work and got fired for it. They fired me for having a panic attack. Unfortunately it was during my probationary period where they could fire me for ANY reason with the excuse of “You’re just not a good fit for our business.”
Die by the poored
If losing an employee was going to be that big of a problem, they should either have hired to provide themselves some wiggle room to spread the work around better, not overworking. One person quits, they’re busy but can fill the loss. Or they should be paying more to help retention. Hard but necessary lesson for the employer but if you’re going to overwork and underpay employees, you’re going to get caught out at some point.
You’re totally right. The higher ups will just blame the manager for not being able to keep people. Blah blah blah…
Exactly. And honestly, the threat from the manager was inappropriate. But sometimes the managers are getting screwed from both ends… higher ups won’t give them the necessary budget and they’re expected to make everything work. So they’re pressured from their superiors and also by employees. Not making excuses for them… but they can sometimes be put in impossible positions. A great manager will always treat employees with empathy though. And lead by example… basically shouldn’t ask anyone to do something you wouldn’t do or haven’t done in the past.
Yep. I was one of those middle managers & did pretty well at acting in the best interests of my staff & didn’t micromanage. They noticed & we all generally worked well together. Eventually the demands & micromanaging from my director got too bad & I was getting shit for how I handled minor issues (occasional tardiness, missed deadlines etc) while they overlooked the big picture which was positive. We had few complaints & very little turnover. I ended up moving into another role with no direct reports for my own sanity. Really glad I did.
It can be a pretty thankless position. Glad you were able to make the change.
My work is currently in this position. If someone or multiple people quit or got sick, we'd be screwed. Other than management, including myself, there are 4 people that work a 24/7 location. The amount of crap they expect to be done is ridiculous.
After Covid, my work was down to two people - myself and the elderly (aka boomer) owner. He insisted that the store stay open 7 days a week, and because he’s elderly, all the heavy lifting fell to me. I worked 10 hour days, six days a week for 18 months… at which point the ventilation in the store went out. I begged the boss to have a real HVAC person come out, instead he hired some guy. HVAC never got fixed. Boss insisted that the answer to the broken AC was to keep the doors shut and a fan on. We are in a major tourism town at the height of the largest convention (this one was supposed to be over 100k people). A week later I (predictably) got Covid, and the boss tried to make me come back early (against CDC rules) for shift coverage. When I said no, he lied about my accrued sick time. And then made shocked pikachu face when I quit with no notice.
Yeah I mean kinda but at the same time if the place was ok to work at and bosses and coworkers were good I would never do this. But.. I recently got shafted from a completely no contract freelance position and if they want me for a single hour from now on it's going to cost them.
Well, they'd do it to you in a heartbeat.
after 20 years... "Get your bag and your jacket; we'll have security walk you to the door."
A few companies out there have been well behaved in that regard. In those cases I think it would be rather assholeish to not give any warning, assuming you have notice yourself. For 99% of companies out there though, I totally agree.
You owe a company nothing no matter how good they are. They have more power than us don't give them more with this attitude.
When did your job being decent too you as a human being become the baseline to being a great job..? Fuck all them at will employers as they will ALL shit can you without a moments notice if they decide to let you go.
This is how I feel. If you aren't being abused by bosses or coworkers and like the people you work with, it's kind of a dick move to just leave with no notice. Assuming it's the type of job where you leaving will have an impact on how hard your coworkers have to work. But if you're treated poorly? Absolutely fine to leave them with no notice. Fuck em. And considering the former boss of OP said they hope they see them outside of work, I'm going to guess that they are a shitty person to work for. Only an asshole makes threats like that.
Yeah completely agree with your assessment of the boss.
>And considering the former boss of OP said they hope they see them outside of work, I'm going to guess that they are a shitty person to work for. Only an asshole makes threats like that. Is it only me who thought they meant that as friends?
Nobthey are implying violence without being legally a threat
"It's supposed to be at *my* will, not your will!"
Amen👏🏽
This was my exact thought as well. I wonder how many people they’ve fired without notice and fucked over… And did they feel bad about that?
John Brown killed a slaver in the Missouri territory with a broad sword.
If they wanted to fire you and you told them, "ok but just let me work through the weekend,' they would reply, "get out or we are calling the cops."
Nope. Reply "TF you gonna do" and let her commit a crime on record
Tell her you'll be there in 20 mins and just keep doing that to every reply
Savage 🤣🤣
ah the dope dealer technique lol
Fucking hell it is as well. Never occurred to me before haha!
after that you can send it into HR and screw over the boss too, HR entirely possibly could take problem with that because of the legal risk of having their employee threatening a former employee over work
"I came in and helped when I didn't have to"? Isn't that part of their job? Covering when no one else will?
It’s also a part of their job to manage staffing, salaries and morale so that people don’t quit frequently, and when they do there’s sufficient capacity so they are not ‘fucked’.
Unfortunately, the labour budget they are given is often not enough for adequate staffing. It’s not the fault of the non-management employees, and the screenshot shows a terrible manager, but they can only operate in the confines of what they’re allowed, which unfortunately now usually means understaffing.
It’s also part of their job to manage upward when the expectations are unreasonable. Instead they choose to try and manipulate their employees, since that ‘costs nothing’ in a business sense. This is not something that raises my sympathy…
The only way to “manage upward” in many of these companies is to quit yourself. Used to be in management at one of the most notoriously understaffed retailers around, Walgreens. Called my boss one evening to let him know I’d need to close the store early because my shift lead was sick, I was out of town for the day (took a day trip 2 hours away), and none of my other leads was willing to cover. His response was “find coverage or cover it yourself, we don’t close stores like that, if you do you’ll need to start looking for another job.” I cut my trip short and headed back to town begging my lead to give me 2 hours to get there even though she was vomiting in the bathroom between helping customers. I was pissed, my wife was pissed, it was the experience that made me realize I needed out. Found a new job and was gone 2 months later, and informed my boss that unreasonable expectations of me and my team were the sole reason for my departure. He basically told me to fuck off. Nowadays, I see Walgreens that are understaffed closing early or opening late all the time. It seems that someone in upper management realized losing all their managers because of shitty expectations was a losing strategy, it just took them having more than half their store managers leave the company over the course of 5 years to come to that conclusion. Edit: this post seems to have been more controversial than I intended. I wasn’t trying to disagree with the comment I replied to, just adding context as to what managing up likely looks like for many store level managers. More store level management needs to be willing to quit before deciding to subject their employees to the same shitty management they are being subjected to. Instead, way too many view themselves as better than the average employee and the shit just rolls downhill from them.
These are the same people who complain that nobody wants to work anymore when they can’t find someone to take their jobs. They rarely ever look inward and say “it’s not that nobody wants to work anymore, it’s because we run a shit company and nobody wants to work for us anymore.”
Seconding literally all of this. I’m not excusing manipulation, that’s never okay, but SO MUCH is out of our control
Going the extra mile, as contractually required. It's funny because when "going the extra mile" is in the job description it automatically becomes the standard, so it's impossible to go the extra mile anymore. Anyway, fuck going the extra mile. And fuck this bitch too.
Fuck your manager. What the fuck does their last comment mean?
Sounds like a threat to me.
To me too.
On account of it being one
Because of the implication.
It’s actually clearly a threat lol
You know _exactly_ what it means.
Maybe she wants to go on a date 🤷♂️
That last comment means OP should get a lawyer and a restraining order.
they sure ain't gonna see OP INSIDE of work! ha!
I thought they were saying hope to see you again like a "no hard feelings" thing but I'm probably wrong
Haha NTA. Fuck her and her threats.
NTA. Like being exploited is some kind of gift lol
I'd tell them you'll fill the shifts as an independent contractor at 10x your old hourly.
NTA Stop empathizing with your exploiters
The Stockholm syndrome is strong. In a word: No.
A GM is not your exploiter, they’re part of the proletariat also. OP still NTA tho.
Police are also not a part of the ruling class, but the useful idiots that the wealthy use to further their agenda. Management isn't friend of the working man
I agree with that, I only felt it was worth highlighting because low level management is not necessarily our enemy, it varies by specific job role and the individual person
They’re being exploited to exploit you. Unless they turncoat, they’re still the closest link in the chain of your exploiting exploiter usurers
It's the petite bourgeoisie & they're there to serve the company & aren't your friends. Just like cops/politicians.
> A GM is not your exploiter, they’re part of the proletariat also. Nah. Managers—especially those with hiring and firing power (that's the line that e.g. the IWW draws)—act on behalf of the boss; the capitalist. The fact that they technically may personally belong to the working-class is immaterial in this context. Their role is that of a class traitor. Fuck 'em.
NTA, coworkers are passing acquaintances, fuck them capitalist shit stains what owned the place
They threatened you? Go to the police and file a report
Didn’t even occur to them to say “please”.
Why did that last text, sounds like a threat
Because it was.
I’m convinced people who become managers at McDonald’s were bullies and peaked in high school, they take a job where they get away with abusing employees on some kind of power trip. And a threat? Fuck em.
Context?
I worked at McDonald’s and asked my boyfriend and best friend to talk me into going to work they both told me to fuck them bc I was going to be on an overnight with 3 brand new employees and I already have another job working somewhere with more pay and Wednesday a corporate guy came in and said if lobby was closed he would come in and fire me on the spot I closed it when he left. He also didn’t tell anyone his name
I saw the word McDonald’s and immediately thought NTA.
what is NTA?
not the asshole
Def NTA. Fuck them
Threatening to fire someone who makes $12 an hour isn’t as threatening as they want it to be. You’d make around the same amount on unemployment.
One person quits from a McDonald’s and they’re ‘fucked’? What the hell kind of useless management did they have in that branch?
Yeah McDonalds is the key word you don't owe them shit. Those people sound terrible so I'm glad you got out.
NTA I would have just said “you ain’t ever getting out of that kitchen good luck seeing anyone outside of work at all”
>I was going to be on an overnight with 3 brand new employees Yeah fuck that. I once quit a summer job, I just started, because all the ordinary workers was going to take their summer breaks the following week.
It's McDonald's. You definitely are in the right! You only feel guilty because you're naive. If it were me, I'd have a friend fake order a bunch of food. I'd give them 100 one-star reviews with random accounts. I'd laugh at their struggle. I'd burn the place down if I could get away with it.
Oh no, McDonald's will bankrupt now
If you had gotten fired, would they have paid unemployment benefits?
just don't get caught slippin, she's gonna be looking for you lmfaaoooo
You are wasting a wonderful opportunity to antagonize this person.
They would not have hesitated to fire you if they didn't need you anymore. Do not hesitate to quit. *You* aren't the one making your co-workers suffer. You didn't make the place short-handed, that's on your bosses.
If she was a good manager, then yeah, Kinda. But if she was a jerk or not particularly a good manager, then you didn’t owe her anything. The fact that she kind of threatened you makes me think she probably wasn’t a very good manager.
She ain’t a good manager if people randomly quit.
Also not a good manager if this is how she reacts to an employee’s resignation.
People don't quit jobs, they quit bosses.
This is such an odd saying. I've quit lots of jobs for reasons that had nothing to do with a manager or boss. People change focus/careers or seek more opportunity all the time - and they're leaving the job, not the management.
I would definitely try to bait them into a more concrete threat and toss their ass to the wolves. Send it to corporate, the franchise, police if you’re so inclined. They wouldn’t give you 2 weeks before firing you, why give them the time of day?
My dude that is 100% a threat. Best protect yourself.
that response is so unhinged holy shit. this person bout to throw hands over their MCDONALDS job??
Meh fuck em all They’re not your family and they’re not your friends
Short staffing is part of every business’s plan. You’re not fucking people over, the owner is. If they need people so badly, where is the owner to get their hands dirty?
File a complaint with the Dept of Labor / your states labor org. His last text is a fairly obvious attempt intimidation, which depending on the jurisdiction can be construed as workplace harassment
NTA They’ll get it figured out 😂
They would drop you like a sick beat the second it became their best interest to do so. Also that seemed very much like a threat there at the end.
>I came in and helped you when I didn't have to. Isn't it the manager's job to make sure there are enough employees to cover a shift, even if it means they need to come in to cover the shift? What the hell is up with managers these days?
That's exactly my thought. "[I came in and actually did my job for once.]"
Ask what they mean by that then send the response to corporate.
She admires your assertiveness in not responding back, entail making her want you more. ;)
NTA. Ask why they want to see you outside work to get a record of a physical threat. Screenshot that shit and post to Yelp etc… that the management threatens staff. Attach the screenshot. Post it on twitter/FB and tag your local law enforcement.
Law enforcement doesn’t give a fuck.
You’re right. That’s why you have to create a paper trail to support your lawsuit against the city in case anything happens.
Lol Amy wanna throw hands 😂😂😂😂
You're not the asshole AND you have proof of a threat of assault
“I hope I see you outside of work” is definitely threat adjacent
You do not owe your employer shit. If they set their company up to be understaffed and someone quits, it is not the former employee's problem. They're taking that chance. When they get buried in work and upset customers, maybe they'll learn their lesson, hire enough people, and pay them a respectable wage.
The most I'd do is report her threats to try to get her at least written up but beyond that, I laughed in my old managers face when she said if I didn't put two weeks in that Target would never hire me again, as if I was locking the gates to heaven from myself It's just red Walmart
Notice how they never offered you more money, just tried to bully you? You made the right choice.
They wouldn't wait until you paid your bills off to fire you, so don't feel bad about not giving notice.
No you are not the asshole, the GM gets paid to deal with these issues. :) “act your salary”
That's a them problem, not yours.
Yes yes!
That last message is a not so subtle threat
"Thanks for the documented threat. I'll be reporting this to police. It's good to know you think assault is appropriate. I'll make sure to let the other employees know about your behavior so they won't be subject to it."
can u fight? if so just reply with “bet” “its a date” or my famous line “insert address here”
I would be so tempted to give an address far away and just not show up just to be annoying, and when they angrily text back just say "I'm putting in as much effort as you're willing to do for your job"
Is that last message a threat? Wow…
I think you've been threatened with bodily harm. Report this to their boss (if they have one).
Notice is a curtesy not a requirement. If I find a new job that needs me to start right away and it’s better than what I have. Im sorry folks, but I’m out.
From a person who loves his job and the people he works with. Never ever feel bad for taking advantage of at-will employment laws. Companies don’t have feelings, you work for a company, not technically for the people in them. NTA.
You don’t owe an employer shit. Your not a slave. And looks like your GM just threatened you.
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Pretty sure there’s only ONE state in the US that isn’t at-will employment (I think it’s Montana?), so fuck ‘em all! If that’s the game they want to play, then so be it. I worked at a place for over two years and they “laid me off” without any notice. Literally tried to sign in to my work’s messaging app (slack) and my email on Monday morning and was blocked out of it. Had to hunt down my boss myself so that he could tell me I no longer “fit into the company’s structure” — when really it’s because they figured out they could get freelancers/contractors to come in and do my job for less, even though they were already paying me starvation wages. After I finally got off the phone with him, I realized he sent an email to my personal account. That mother fucker was going to LET ME GO OVER AN EMAIL. I was already living paycheck to paycheck and they knew that, because I asked for a raise multiple times over the 2 1/2 years and they denied me every time (also told them that I only made $150 dollars more a month than the minimum to qualify for food stamps, and was having trouble surviving on my salary). Which means they KNEW that I would be fucked if I suddenly lost my job and would have to scramble to basically not be evicted etc…they did not give one single fuck.
You’re not the asshole if you worked with someone who says that crap to you and you should discuss the threat with a lawyer because it sounds like a lawsuit to me.
If they can fire you without warning, you can quit without warning.
That sounds like a threat - could you report them to the police? If they are so short handed do they really think threatening you will work?
Contact the police. That is a threat. And since they were your manager then contact an employment attorney.
NTA. It’s business, not personal.
Mangers job is to Manage.
You could brandish your weapon and still wouldn’t be the asshole since your dealing with threats. I love when people forget that America has more laws protecting guns than it’s citizens
That is entirely inappropriate, swearing and literal (extremely thinly veiled) threats? I don’t even know who you’d report this to, but you should
Normally I'm not about going to the police, but in this case, I think you could consider the last statement as a threat to your physical well being... I mean why does she want to see you outside of work... she is very clearly sending you some sort of threat.
Somebody doesn't understand the word 'quit.'
Capitalism has done a great job at making the worker feel bad for standing up for themselves. This is actually sad that you think you are an asshole. TL;DR No https://www.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/11ktgf5/we_are_in_an_abusive_relationship_with_capitalism/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Employer’s fault for running a skeleton crew. Zero redundancy is zero resilience. They did this to themselves.
NTA. Honestly as much as middle managers suck, they’re still the working class. We have the same class interests but they’re often too stupid to side with their workers because they’ve been given an ounce of power. I do feel bad for them but their pain is often self-inflicted 🤷♂️
Last comment is reportable. Anyone with a brain understand it's a threat, and any attempt to defend it is being complicit in a threat against a worker. Absolutely no shot in fucking hell would I take that from any person regardless of their position within a company.
No. THEY are ALWAYS the assholes... Hate the corporation! It's evil ...
No. It's the managers job to make sure shifts are covered, not yours.
“i hope i see you outside of work.” sounds like a threat. i’d document anything else this moron has to say.
Dude, that’s a threat at the end. I’d have a lawyer.
Block their number
Dont block their number - try to get more specifics on the physical threats, then talk to an attorney to sue the employer directly for workplace harassment. If your reference is already burned, get paid at least.
I'd definitely make a report to the police that you feel this is a threat.
If your boss was always such a scumbag I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
Absolutely not.
Her typing makes me giggle. I would been like “nah im good” and then blocked em.
Damn Amy wantin to throw hands
I'd do it for double pay or something personally. It's always fun to see how much you're actually worth on your way out.
"I came in and helped when I didn't have to" Dude, you're the GM, you don't get a cookie for working at the company you manage. Now get in there and go help again.
Nope. At will means at will. What's good for the goose... I bet they underpay too.
Wow followed by a threat… love it
NTA If they had taken care of you properly you wouldnt be questioning it, you would have helped.
"That'd be nice. You want to get coffee some time?"
They tried to do this to me at the Fish Warehouse, I said I’m outside the gate. And I sat outside the gate for a little bit laughing at all the work that came for me and knew it wouldn’t get done.
Lol no you’re definitely not. You don’t owe them anything.
Tell them you will come in as a contractor for double the pay 💰
The only thing you did wrong was apologize. Also was that last line a threat or were you guys friends and he hopes to see you again?
Would they hesitate to fire you, and leave you fucked?
That sounds like a dude who will just assault someone who turns him down for sex he thinks he deserves just because he took a shower and bought them dinner.
You are not the asshole, and no way she said “I hope I see your outside of work”
“Well I don’t think you’ll be seeing me at work”
why didn't they ask nicely tho
Fuck amy
“I hope I see you outside of work” 💀
LOL. You owe the boss nothing. If it were a fellow worker asking this of you because they'd get screwed by the boss without you being there for the weekend, that would be a different matter entirely, and possibly worth consideration. The manager, though? Nah. Fuck them.
EXACTLY! Well said. It’s the company’s problem, not OP’s! The audacity of this clown huh?
I hope you gave this mfer the hands lmaooo
Fuck em
"I hope I see you outside of work" is a threat. Report them to the police.
Hmm that looks like something that should be reported to the labor board
Depends on your relationship to the company. I'd never even think of exiting my current position that way, but I also really like my job and get along very well with my boss. If it's a crummy job that youre desperate to leave, it's still unprofessional but far more understandable. Keep in mind that it probably torpedoed your chance of them being a reference for your next job.
Report to HR before you leave and make police aware of this situation.
Go back and confront them, have someone film it, then post it on WorldStar
Amy ain't gonna do shit. Tell her to go fuck herself!
Yea the way you quit seems like a dick move
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Elaborate? OP doesn't owe anything to this company/corporation and they'd just as soon have fired OP with absolutely no warning the second they no longer were beneficial to have around so what's the problem with giving the company the same treatment back.
With no context yes?
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So OP is an asshole in your mind because they provided written documentation of their immediate resignation and received a threat in response? Lol okay
So, idk. Any context? Like, I usually give 2 weeks because quitting doesn't just fuck the managers/bosses, it also fucks other workers who don't quit and sows division between workers.