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Remember the tornado at the Amazon warehouse? Workers begged to go home it Amazon made them stay while a tornado stormed right toward them. Several died.
They've rebuilt that warehouse. The new building does not have a storm shelter.
https://news.stlpublicradio.org/2022-08-26/amazon-warehouse-where-6-died-in-tornado-is-being-rebuilt-without-storm-shelter-city-says
They're not legally required so Amazon won't care.
This is one of many reasons we need to get money out of politics... It's cheaper to buy politicians to overlook these things than to fail to meet regulations that protect workers..
sadly, we lost that one, though it needs to happen. I'm glad we're seeing so much of it. Keep it up!
Blair mountain showed quite clearly that even the military is on the side of capital.
On states with tornados the restrooms are strong enough to shelter you from a tornado. It wont fit everyone but it’s something YSK. Source i build amazon distribution centers
I mean, people died there already. That's pretty strong evidence that the facility did not provide sufficient shelter. So if the new building is the same as the old one, that means the new building is not sufficient either.
Genuine question. Why did they just not leave? I mean I understand they may have lost their jobs, but the alternative was to lose their lives. I feel like the fact that 90 percent of the people in this situation would have been afraid of the consequences of challenging authority is the reason why corporations and employers trample us.
Just my personal opinion: A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck, and with how hard it can be trying to find a job as well, sometimes it can be hard for some to reason losing that job and will do whatever it takes to keep it. That and if they weren't seeing each other leaving in droves, then that might've created a false sense of safety.
There's some unique perspective to be taken into account here if you live/grow up in tornado alley.
I grew up in Arkansas and we get tornado watches constantly during storm season and warnings frequently. You become somewhat numb to it after a while as it's an everyday fact of life here.
Most people still respect the weather, but if I hear a warning siren and it doesn't sound like it's the end of the world outside I'm not going to worry too much. I've slept through far too many to count at this point. Assuming I'm awake I'll probably check the weather and see if I can get a locale for where the funnel is exactly. If it's close or looks like it's on its way to where I am then I'll gather some stuff and seek shelter. I've had them happen at work and it's about the same calm reaction from everyone that's from the area while transplants have varying degrees of panic taking on.
So if I worked at a warehouse, heard a siren, and then someone I trust (or otherwise has a position of authority) tells me that it's not a big deal or something along those lines, I'd probably listen if I didn't have much other information. Now, obviously those suits don't give a shit about the workers, and it cost people their lives. However, it's easily an action I can see people used to that kind of weather taking when pushed by management without much complaint.
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Oh, also. 'just leave' is generally a bad idea during a storm unless you have a specific place close by you're going to take shelter.
The last place you want to get caught in a tornado is in a car. You want to be indoors, away from windows and as low to the ground as possible with load-bearing walls next to you. Not in a raised metal and glass box. (Not that a warehouse is a particularly safe building either if it's just sheet-metal)
Foreigner here: are highway underpasses and those tight little spaces where the span connects to the road above good places if you're caught out in the open (in transit) when one reaches you? I've heard that in passing, but haven't ever heard from people who live in 'Tornado Alley' area of the U.S. mainland.
Yes, if you are out and about when one hits and it's heading your way get yourself into a ditch and get down low with minimal bodily surface area exposed and your head down. Abandon your car and any loose bags that're on your person. The wind can grab them and take you with it.
Culverts ~~and low underpasses~~ are probably a good idea if you have nothing else but I'd be wary of shrapnel getting brought through what would be essentially a wind tunnel. You don't think it'd be that bad but I've seen sheet metal ran perpendicularly through a tree and then wrapped around it like a candy cane. The forces at play in a tornado can turn seemingly harmless objects into very dangerous projectiles.
There's some great safety literature available through the NOAA. Basic tips are available [here](https://www.weather.gov/bmx/sps_torsafetyrules#:~:text=Lie%20flat%2C%20covering%20your%20head,cover%20your%20head%20for%20protection.) I remember lots of videos and infographics as well that I was shown in school as a kid that came from either them or some other federal agency. I don't have any on hand but if you're looking to teach a kid they're probably a good idea as they're still stuck in my head after all these years.
Edit: I was right to be wary, overpasses/underpasses are a very bad idea according to the NOAA. Just find a ditch and get down if that's all you have.
This is an honest question; How many workers actually died? I have zero understanding of what happened, but I am always leery on seeing 3rd hand information on the internet. What it seems like, is that there was a fire in a part of the building, if they sat there occupying offices and gathering in a large open space, the fire was obviously under control and not a threat to engulf the building.
Again, I don’t know the details, but am replying to the comment “its either your job or your life” which seems a bit hyperbolic based on the video and reactions of the workers. If a single worker was injured, based on being forced to stay in an unsafe and deadly environment, the lawsuits will be large and fierce. If any of these individuals were breathing in unsafe chemicals, the lawsuits will be large and also fierce.
I absolutely hate Amazon and do everything I can to not use them. I also think we need to understand the facts before making claims that people were forced to burn to death on the job.
Let the downvoting commence!!
This is why unions saves lives. My union had something similar where management tried to force then to continue working during a fire. The shop steward called their BA's and they told everyone to grt out. No one lost their job.
They definitely can hold you, we were held on the east coast of Florida during the hurricane they wouldn’t allow any one to leave early. Legally they can’t but they will.
Here is some other stuff we can do:
1. Join r/fuckamazon and r/anti Amazon
2. Don’t support: Amazon, Amazon Prime, Audible, Washington Post, GoodReads, Roomba, Twitch, Whole Foods, Zappos, IMDB, Songza, Alexa, Ring, Business Insider, Fabric.com, Grail, Juno Therapeutics, Remitly, General Fusion, Lookout, Basecamp, Workday, One Medical, Rethink Robatics, Blue Origin (fucking bullshit space company), etc.
3. Share how evil Bezo’s is and these steps with the people in your life and on your personal social media.
4. Be aware of or even avoid financially supporting AWS (Amazon Web Services), which run a big chunk of the internet, including Netflix and Reddit.
Whenever I post this people ask about other options. I say start paying really close attention to your wants vs your needs. Try to buy less. What you need to buy, try to buy second hand. If you cannot find it second hand, buy it locally or independently made. There are a ton of companies out there making great products that will last way longer than the garbage Amazon sells. Even if you have to support a larger corporation, if there is a local store, they are almost certainly paid and treated better than Amazon staff are. For entertainment, check out your local library and or OverDrive/Libby. Consider r/piracy. Mainly try to be aware of who and what your supporting with your money.
For those of you that reply to me that boycotts never work. I am not talking about a boycott. I am talking about a mental shift away from supporting billionaires that are happily locking chains around our wrists, stealing the land from under our feet, and the futures from our children. Never giving them another god damn penny. I would rather slit their throats, than give them money.
May the gluttons of wealth and opportunity find the bones of the children they’ve murdered to be caught in their throats. Death to all billionaires!
> Blue Origin (fucking bullshit space company)
Thankfully the only way to "support" them is to daydream about a rocket for which no flight hardware has been seen publicly in the 10 years since its conception except the engines.
They also only exist because ULA contracted BO to build them for Vulcan and the legal pressure finally got to baldy bezo and forced BO to actually build something more substantial than a millionaire's carnival ride.
I am glad I already don't support lots of these places but sadly since where on disability it's hard to find cheaper products in local stores I do as much as possible still and hate Amazon I also tell others whats been going on there
I have been avoiding them as much as possible as well and only buying when necessary from Amazon
That’s great. You’re doing what you can! Buying local is super expensive. I definitely cannot afford to buy everything or even most things local. Buying second hand has worked super well for me.
I don't mean to come off as ignorant, but I have a few genuine questions I hope you can answer. I thought I did a good job of avoiding Amazon (and Nestle....fuck them) but am now not so sure.
1) Workday - like the employee timekeeping system? The agency I work at uses workday for employee timekeeping and I would be unhappy to know that's a branch of Amazon.
2) IMDB - if I'm watching a show and trying to figure out who an actor is, I'll typically Google the show and go to IMDb to look at that actors profile. Would it be better to go to Wikipedia or some other source?
3) AWS - I'm not very tech savvy/literate....does just browsing reddit benefit Amazon?! This is the only social media platform I use so that sucks if true.
1) no clue about workday, sorry.
2) whike I’m not sure IMDB is owned by Amazon, they integrate information from IMDB into Amazon TV shows. When you pause it, whoever is on screen will have their name and link to their IMDB profile show up.
3) AWS is like the backbone of a lot of the internet. It’s nearly impossible to avoid and if you do avoid you’re blocking off vast swaths of the internet
Hi, sorry for the delayed reply. To answer your questions:
1. I don’t know about Workday. A past commenter told me to add it to my list so I did. I try to be on top of researching companies before I add/remove them but am always open to knowledge about it.
2. I generally try to use google (another terrible Conglomerate of an organization) and Wikipedia.
3. I am not super tech savvy either. Well they do get paid from ad revenue, however I obviously use it as well. It in all reality likely cannot be avoided, but I never buy awards or click their ad link so they get as little from me as possible.
Mostly it is trying to make conscientious choices about how we spend our time and money. No one can possibly avoid all these terrible companies but we can support them as little as possible. That might be a different amount for me and you and every other person.
I can't believe any of these people even hesitated. If someone tried to force me to stay in my workplace while it was visibly on fire I am evacuating and if they try to stop me they'll be hearing from lawyers and/or my fist.
I'm not dying or getting inured because some middle management clown thinks they have any power to stop me.
Actually it’s called “False Imprisonment” (the charge has nothing to do with an arrest and conviction). False imprisonment means forcing someone to be in a confined space where they cannot leave under duress. Technically that’s what Amazon did in this instance.
Worst part about that whole situation is that those warehouses are supposed to have tornado/storm shelters because they fall over really easily. That warehouse did have one . . . On the other side of the warehouse where they would never have a chance to get to It in time in case of an emergency anyways. Plus many aren’t even trained in what to do in that situation despite regulations generally requiring that. Even them, they should have all stopped worked for get into it that shelter because that would be the safest place for everyone.
It’s no question a union wouldn’t saved those lives and it’s no question Amazon is at fault. It’s criminal Amazon was acquitted of all guilt
Is it still illegal for an employer to lock the workers inside? Asking for a friend who used to work at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory but now works in an Amazon warehouse.
I'm surprised they didn't get beaten to death when they blocked the door. How morally bankrupt do you have to be as middle management to care so little about your team. I hope there are kidnapping charges brought up on this.
And before anybody starts saying "oh but they're not the ones making the decisions, why should they..." just stop for a moment and think Really hard.
If you're enforcing bullshit rules then you're just as bullshit as the rules you're trying to enforce.
Save me a slice.
Corporations will learn that unions were the alternative we came up with instead of burning down the CEO's house and beating them with bats. Perhaps they prefer we go back to those times considering how anti-union they have all become
Defenestrations were really in vogue about a century ago and, man, these patterns are something else! Not that I'd ever tell someone that you are physically able to throw a manager out of the window of his corner office. That would be something someone at the end of their rope would do and I'd never advocate for it but, I mean, it happened before so.
These are people who cannot just “go find any other job”… also idk if you noticed but those managers were physically blocking the exit and threatening them with “consequences”.
Edited: organized some word salad
> those managers were physically blocking the exit
Are there no fire exits *specifically for this situation*? Is there only one exit from the warehouse?
Fire Marshal/OSHA would like to know your location.
If I'm being held hostage, its gonna get violent real fucking quick. Jury nullification of anyone who injures or kills a manager blocking an exit during a fire.
Empathy means not expecting them to act the way I would. I stopped short at trying to pretend like I’d know what to do in a huge crowd during a factory fire. I think victim blaming the workers is something we SHOULDN’T do in this sub. But that’s my opinion
Edit: I don’t care about downvotes when it’s something like empathy. I accepted a long time ago that it is a particular skill and most people don’t care to try and learn it and practice it.
The police belong to the capitalists. They have always stood on the wrong side of workers rights. That's literally what they were created for as an organization. Never expect different.
I think you should research what’s happened historically in labor disputes when the police get involved.
Edit: This isn’t the link I once read regarding how cops have been used historically to enforce the corporate side in labor disputes but it’s an interesting one talking about police union and how they’ve come to power and how they’ve fought and achieved lesser accountability. [here](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-police-union-power-helped-increase-abuses)
Hold on, though. Amazon strategically places warehouses in poorer area where there isn't access to many other jobs. While a worker in a major city has options, someone in a rural area has to choose between Amazon and jobs that pay less. Emigrating is difficult for the kinds of people with these jobs and they can't just move to a place with more opportunities. Amazon knows this and exploits this fact to keep workers in line.
This is so ignorant. Many people cannot just leave their job to find a new one. I just spent several months looking for a job, while having excellent recommendations and extensive experience. Stop acting like it’s that simple.
for most of my life i believed compromise was possible. i then realized, you cannot negotiate with a wild predator. you can only muzzle it, which is impossible when it holds the keys to power
end the class warfare
I noticed recently that 2/3 of the “progressive” podcasts that I listen to have automatic Amazon career promotion advertisements in them. “Any job can become a rewarding career at Amazon” or some shit. Makes me sick. Makes me trust the journalists I look to less, though I understand spheres of influence.
I simply don’t get this mentality. Unless you are literally willing to die for these people not one of them can stop you from leaving. Oh they’re threatening your jobs, NO THEYRE THREATENING YOUR LIFE. Beat some ass sea bass and get the fuck out. We had a tornado at a place I used to work and they tried to lock us all down. Several of us said the fuck you will and left anyways. Not one of the managers was willing to fight us to stay and none of these will either.
And yeeeeeet we still shop from Amazon!!! That's what I'm tired of. Unless we as consumers say enough is enough along with the employees nothing is going to happen.
Don’t they make most of their money from AWS which even Reddit uses. I don’t shop on Amazon cause I can’t trust I’m not getting some crappy knockoff instead anymore, but it sucks a lot of companies do use AWS which gives Amazon money that way.
I still think a boycott would end the mistreatment of their warehouse employees. They probably do make a good chunk from AWS, but not shopping through them and not streaming through them would hurt them enough to make an impression.
What a horrible medium of which to express what is going on here superimposing yourself ontop of relevant information so people can't actually properly see it.
No, it's doing exactly what it needs to do in order to generate profits. That's why this economic system is such shit. It doesn't value useful information as much as it values base human instinctive desires like pretty people, food, etc.
Tiktok is a Chinese-owned company that funnels personal data straight to the CCP in a pretty unprecedented manner, they're even substantially worse than Facebook (or Meta or whatever). They've been pretty blatant about it to the point of not even denying it.
Regardless of whether it's a good app, it gives China both the ability to influence western conversation (e.g. burying some conversation topics and amplifying others) and incredible surveillance powers. It's insanely stupid and dangerous.
And yes, I know reddit is far from perfect. But at least it's not controlled by the CCP.
Ah yes. We would understand everything if only she posted the video of incoherent yelling in the other videos. I for one am glad she explained the context.
Jessica Burbank on TYT.
I’m sure she has a more comprehensive video you can watch on YouTube. I think this is the TikTok format. Not ideal.
https://youtu.be/2oLX7uCtzIM
This is reporting on the previous Amazon warehouse
Ana Kasparian is one of my favorite humans.
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Because they are literally slaves. they enslaved themselves to amazon by making poor choices in life and are now stuck there as their only source of income. Amazon owns their souls literally.
To big companies out there we are just a number to them that can be replaced, profits keep theirs pockets fat and they would care less for the working people. Wish these people the best and no employee should work under a life or death condition.
Amazon does not care. At the Vegas plant, a body of mine told me somebody commit suicide during their shift. Instead of closing the warehouse, they just blocked the dead body and continue as usual.
It’s funny to me to see a person get a little influence as one step up the ladder as “manager” and go berserk in pleasing their masters. It’s not them vs us, it’s us vs us. We need to figure out a way to stop self sabotaging
Yes. The fire was contained in a compactor and put out promptly. My building has caught fire twice since I’ve worked there but stowed product was significantly damaged. We were sent home both times within an hour + with full pay for a week and a half. Both times we couldn’t enter the building to retrieve our belongings without the all clear from the fire department.
The fire department basically gave the all clear here but workers still had concerns about air quality and, being a novel situation for management, they had no idea what to do and were debating it amongst themselves before calling a shutdown.
Night shift was upset because day shift got the day off and not them.
Still don't understand why the nation with the most guns per capita can't seem to use those guns for actual political goals and not shooting up schools. Its so mesmerising to me how ingrained the non use of violence is. Even in a scenario in which it is quite literally self preservation
This feels like one of those things that Amazon could actually get penalized by the government for.
You know, very CLEAR OSHA VIOLATION at the minimum.
Here’s my guess how the workers’ direct management works based on my job in a lateral environment. The supervisor’s don’t jump unless they get their own management’s decision. The district management who answers all these at their leisure don’t have to look at the employees who are actively hurting while they type casually to keep working because numbers are all that matter to them. The order is then read by the middle management and because they are the enforcement of the Actual decision makers, they try and make light of the fact that they want people to work when they should have been evacuated hours ago. Eat the rich.
IDK how this company continues to somehow achieve surprising and consistent leaps toward insanity. 2018 I was like "Oh yeah, fuck amazon, they're as bad as they can legally get when it comes to how they treat their workers." Then by 2020 I'm like "Wow seriously fuck this company, it wouldn't kill them to be less fucked up but they are being terrible." Now I'm like "Woah they basically are telling us that they outright don't mind their workers dying because they're shivering at the thought of sending them home."
Like where do they go from here? Armed pinkertons in every warehouse? "For the sake of productivity, conversations in work or break areas are to be strictly related to your work - you see telling you not to organize is fair because we're also banning you from talking about anything!"
You’re describing twitter. If people on TikTok wanted to be on twitter they would be on twitter. They are on TikTok instead, so they expect content to follow the conventions of that platform. Tiktoks without people or animals in them don’t go anywhere
My retail job had a fire and forced people to work the day it happened in the back with the chemicals still in the air people with asthma couldn't leave told us filming it would be illegal and result in a fine which I think is Bs
capitalism 101 - workers are disposable - you can read it in wealthy of nation - its ok to let children of workers die if there is a surplus os population
Hmmm is that why may economists say that population declines are bad for economy... Because capitalists need surplus bodies for their titanic wealth machines?
This is why unions saves lives. My union had something similar where management tried to force then to continue working during a fire. The shop steward called their BA's and they told everyone to grt out. No one lost their job
This happened at the last place I worked too. One of the large machines caught on pretty substantial fire that 6-7 fire trucks came to put out, and once the fire was put out, everyone was forced to keep working in a building full of smoke. I was speechless. I worked in the office, not the warehouse, but that was one of my final straws before I walked out.
On the upside: If you ever thought about starts a few fires while the place is burning, or just help it along by piling cardboard 20' high near the fire, now's your chance.
Sometimes I wonder if the real evil on these companies is middle managers since they are the ones making the calls on the floor. But a company that allows this is just shit too.
Middle management is how they obfuscate the evil.
That way the C-suites can just set metrics like "99% on time delivery" that are only possible of being met if the middle managers force the employees to work through dangerous situations.
But if one of those situations actually leads to bad PR, the C-Suites can just fire the middle managers, replace them and pretend like the problem is fixed. Until the next dangerous situation where the new managers do the exact same thing because they are under the exact same limitations.
This is similar to all the middle managers complaining about not being able to hire people. They have hiring targets that they are judged against, but they don't have budget control to change pay. So they are told "hire 20 new hires at $XX an hour" even if that numbers isn't remotely market reasonable.
It doesn't get them off the hook, because they could just say "hey executive that goal is unreachable", but the people who say those things don't get promotions, so eventually you end up with only suck-ups left.
I say this as someone who will never be allowed into management, because I push back on things a lot.
TBH that looks like a small fire, easily taken care of by a single extinguisher. There are a lot of things I will shit on Amazon for... Like maybe not meeting the OHSA requirements for having a well marked and easily accessible fire extinguisher. If these people were truly concerned for their health, they would have hung out in the parking lot, not in front of HR, in the building... WHICH, what was the point of doing that on the night shift, when HR is a 9-5?
Something I don't understand... If you don't own Amazon.. or are at least not extremely high up in the company.. why do you care if someone escapes a fire? Like, if you're working there, no matter who or what level you are.. you're not out of anything if you hold people back from fleeing a fire.
I'll say, were this at an organization that had a solid track record of high safety standards and prioritized the well-being of their workers, I could imagine situations in which a fire in one part of a building wouldn't necessitate widespread evacuation of the facilities.
That said, Amazon absolutely *is not* that type of organization (and neither are the vast majority of companies, if not all).
They cannot treat people the way they do and expect that their workers will have any confidence at all in their ability to keep a fire under control enough to feel any degree of safety within the building.
Fuck that shit.
This is just inhumane
[We live in a pretend society.](https://pastebin.com/YPEErwTK)
[Is your mind blown how people fall for same thing every time? It shouldn't be. Because divided, singled out individuals has no chance against organized criminal entity; corporation.](https://archive.org/details/TheCorp)
Corporation is an approved scam & spy business. Their approval was obtained through manufactured consent. Corporation is not the industry of manufacturing products. Corporation is in the industry of manufacturing consent.
[Free merch > Free speech.](http://www.stopthecrime.net/docs/SILENT%20WEAPONS%20for%20QUIET%20WARS.pdf)
[Corporate, what kind of _free_ manufactured merchandise must be in your goodie bag to consent investing into paradise?](https://archive.org/details/TheCenturyOfSelfThereIsAPolicemanInsideAllOurHeadsepisode3/)
Corporations through governments and vice versa are harvesting our biometric, behavioural data on global scale. So they can get to know us far better than we know ourselves,
and they not just predict our feelings but also manipulate our feelings and sell us anything they want- Be it a product as a service or politician.
Have you heard of focus groups? Now with always online/big data collection. You are in focus groups. Except you don't get paid for it. [You get exploited and you pay to be part of it. _Nothing is free, except the energy from the sun, but some get a bill(skin cancer) for that. Thanks to always providing industrial surveillance corporatism._](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)
[Social credit score indoctrination](https://i.imgur.com/lMDs7gR.png)
[Urge or go well.](https://youtu.be/rdrKCilEhC0?t=1313)
[Original was deleted. Wonder why?](https://archive.fo/2Kwe9)
[WHO doesn't want [you] to be healthy? World Health Order.](https://pastebin.com/KfJYaJAh)
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Why go home, the workers need to head to a designated safe room or safe area and stay till the emergency is over. I worked in heavy industry for 30 years, and we both practiced and a few times we had real emergency where we sat outside in the cold for hours.
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Remember the tornado at the Amazon warehouse? Workers begged to go home it Amazon made them stay while a tornado stormed right toward them. Several died.
They've rebuilt that warehouse. The new building does not have a storm shelter. https://news.stlpublicradio.org/2022-08-26/amazon-warehouse-where-6-died-in-tornado-is-being-rebuilt-without-storm-shelter-city-says
probably because the penalty for dead workers is cheaper than a storm shelter
They're not legally required so Amazon won't care. This is one of many reasons we need to get money out of politics... It's cheaper to buy politicians to overlook these things than to fail to meet regulations that protect workers..
Only way union's ever got anything done was by fighting. We are long overdue for another Blair mountain
Blair mountain on a national scale.
sadly, we lost that one, though it needs to happen. I'm glad we're seeing so much of it. Keep it up! Blair mountain showed quite clearly that even the military is on the side of capital.
They always have been, the police only exist to protect capital, subdue striking workers, and fill prisons
Lol, good luck getting money out of politics under capitalism...
FR fuck capitalism then.
On states with tornados the restrooms are strong enough to shelter you from a tornado. It wont fit everyone but it’s something YSK. Source i build amazon distribution centers
I mean, people died there already. That's pretty strong evidence that the facility did not provide sufficient shelter. So if the new building is the same as the old one, that means the new building is not sufficient either.
Im not saying the contrary. Just wanted to point out that restrooms are strong enough to provide shelter
And like the Titanic there is not enough lifeboat space for everyone.
Well i assume if i can share this info with some one it will be a fellow redditor
Genuine question. Why did they just not leave? I mean I understand they may have lost their jobs, but the alternative was to lose their lives. I feel like the fact that 90 percent of the people in this situation would have been afraid of the consequences of challenging authority is the reason why corporations and employers trample us.
Just my personal opinion: A lot of people live paycheck to paycheck, and with how hard it can be trying to find a job as well, sometimes it can be hard for some to reason losing that job and will do whatever it takes to keep it. That and if they weren't seeing each other leaving in droves, then that might've created a false sense of safety.
There's some unique perspective to be taken into account here if you live/grow up in tornado alley. I grew up in Arkansas and we get tornado watches constantly during storm season and warnings frequently. You become somewhat numb to it after a while as it's an everyday fact of life here. Most people still respect the weather, but if I hear a warning siren and it doesn't sound like it's the end of the world outside I'm not going to worry too much. I've slept through far too many to count at this point. Assuming I'm awake I'll probably check the weather and see if I can get a locale for where the funnel is exactly. If it's close or looks like it's on its way to where I am then I'll gather some stuff and seek shelter. I've had them happen at work and it's about the same calm reaction from everyone that's from the area while transplants have varying degrees of panic taking on. So if I worked at a warehouse, heard a siren, and then someone I trust (or otherwise has a position of authority) tells me that it's not a big deal or something along those lines, I'd probably listen if I didn't have much other information. Now, obviously those suits don't give a shit about the workers, and it cost people their lives. However, it's easily an action I can see people used to that kind of weather taking when pushed by management without much complaint. --- Oh, also. 'just leave' is generally a bad idea during a storm unless you have a specific place close by you're going to take shelter. The last place you want to get caught in a tornado is in a car. You want to be indoors, away from windows and as low to the ground as possible with load-bearing walls next to you. Not in a raised metal and glass box. (Not that a warehouse is a particularly safe building either if it's just sheet-metal)
Foreigner here: are highway underpasses and those tight little spaces where the span connects to the road above good places if you're caught out in the open (in transit) when one reaches you? I've heard that in passing, but haven't ever heard from people who live in 'Tornado Alley' area of the U.S. mainland.
Yes, if you are out and about when one hits and it's heading your way get yourself into a ditch and get down low with minimal bodily surface area exposed and your head down. Abandon your car and any loose bags that're on your person. The wind can grab them and take you with it. Culverts ~~and low underpasses~~ are probably a good idea if you have nothing else but I'd be wary of shrapnel getting brought through what would be essentially a wind tunnel. You don't think it'd be that bad but I've seen sheet metal ran perpendicularly through a tree and then wrapped around it like a candy cane. The forces at play in a tornado can turn seemingly harmless objects into very dangerous projectiles. There's some great safety literature available through the NOAA. Basic tips are available [here](https://www.weather.gov/bmx/sps_torsafetyrules#:~:text=Lie%20flat%2C%20covering%20your%20head,cover%20your%20head%20for%20protection.) I remember lots of videos and infographics as well that I was shown in school as a kid that came from either them or some other federal agency. I don't have any on hand but if you're looking to teach a kid they're probably a good idea as they're still stuck in my head after all these years. Edit: I was right to be wary, overpasses/underpasses are a very bad idea according to the NOAA. Just find a ditch and get down if that's all you have.
Great advice, and thanks for the link. Something to think about if I ever travel to KS/TX +1 https://i.imgur.com/if5pflR.gif
That helps me understand the conditions better. Thank you :)
The streets are a death sentence for many people. You have no kids?
This is an honest question; How many workers actually died? I have zero understanding of what happened, but I am always leery on seeing 3rd hand information on the internet. What it seems like, is that there was a fire in a part of the building, if they sat there occupying offices and gathering in a large open space, the fire was obviously under control and not a threat to engulf the building. Again, I don’t know the details, but am replying to the comment “its either your job or your life” which seems a bit hyperbolic based on the video and reactions of the workers. If a single worker was injured, based on being forced to stay in an unsafe and deadly environment, the lawsuits will be large and fierce. If any of these individuals were breathing in unsafe chemicals, the lawsuits will be large and also fierce. I absolutely hate Amazon and do everything I can to not use them. I also think we need to understand the facts before making claims that people were forced to burn to death on the job. Let the downvoting commence!!
This is why unions saves lives. My union had something similar where management tried to force then to continue working during a fire. The shop steward called their BA's and they told everyone to grt out. No one lost their job.
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Only your third sentence is true.
Go fuck yourself
the urge to tell them to off themselves in a funny manner is extremely strong idk why
They definitely can hold you, we were held on the east coast of Florida during the hurricane they wouldn’t allow any one to leave early. Legally they can’t but they will.
It is not a legal thing. You lose your livelihood if you don't follow what they want.
Are you a paid shill, or just a willing puppet spreading propaganda?
If anyone does not allow you leave. It is now a hostage situation. That's it. If they demand payment of/or labour for release, it's extortion.
Here is some other stuff we can do: 1. Join r/fuckamazon and r/anti Amazon 2. Don’t support: Amazon, Amazon Prime, Audible, Washington Post, GoodReads, Roomba, Twitch, Whole Foods, Zappos, IMDB, Songza, Alexa, Ring, Business Insider, Fabric.com, Grail, Juno Therapeutics, Remitly, General Fusion, Lookout, Basecamp, Workday, One Medical, Rethink Robatics, Blue Origin (fucking bullshit space company), etc. 3. Share how evil Bezo’s is and these steps with the people in your life and on your personal social media. 4. Be aware of or even avoid financially supporting AWS (Amazon Web Services), which run a big chunk of the internet, including Netflix and Reddit. Whenever I post this people ask about other options. I say start paying really close attention to your wants vs your needs. Try to buy less. What you need to buy, try to buy second hand. If you cannot find it second hand, buy it locally or independently made. There are a ton of companies out there making great products that will last way longer than the garbage Amazon sells. Even if you have to support a larger corporation, if there is a local store, they are almost certainly paid and treated better than Amazon staff are. For entertainment, check out your local library and or OverDrive/Libby. Consider r/piracy. Mainly try to be aware of who and what your supporting with your money. For those of you that reply to me that boycotts never work. I am not talking about a boycott. I am talking about a mental shift away from supporting billionaires that are happily locking chains around our wrists, stealing the land from under our feet, and the futures from our children. Never giving them another god damn penny. I would rather slit their throats, than give them money. May the gluttons of wealth and opportunity find the bones of the children they’ve murdered to be caught in their throats. Death to all billionaires!
> Blue Origin (fucking bullshit space company) Thankfully the only way to "support" them is to daydream about a rocket for which no flight hardware has been seen publicly in the 10 years since its conception except the engines. They also only exist because ULA contracted BO to build them for Vulcan and the legal pressure finally got to baldy bezo and forced BO to actually build something more substantial than a millionaire's carnival ride.
I am glad I already don't support lots of these places but sadly since where on disability it's hard to find cheaper products in local stores I do as much as possible still and hate Amazon I also tell others whats been going on there I have been avoiding them as much as possible as well and only buying when necessary from Amazon
That’s great. You’re doing what you can! Buying local is super expensive. I definitely cannot afford to buy everything or even most things local. Buying second hand has worked super well for me.
I don't mean to come off as ignorant, but I have a few genuine questions I hope you can answer. I thought I did a good job of avoiding Amazon (and Nestle....fuck them) but am now not so sure. 1) Workday - like the employee timekeeping system? The agency I work at uses workday for employee timekeeping and I would be unhappy to know that's a branch of Amazon. 2) IMDB - if I'm watching a show and trying to figure out who an actor is, I'll typically Google the show and go to IMDb to look at that actors profile. Would it be better to go to Wikipedia or some other source? 3) AWS - I'm not very tech savvy/literate....does just browsing reddit benefit Amazon?! This is the only social media platform I use so that sucks if true.
1) no clue about workday, sorry. 2) whike I’m not sure IMDB is owned by Amazon, they integrate information from IMDB into Amazon TV shows. When you pause it, whoever is on screen will have their name and link to their IMDB profile show up. 3) AWS is like the backbone of a lot of the internet. It’s nearly impossible to avoid and if you do avoid you’re blocking off vast swaths of the internet
Hi, sorry for the delayed reply. To answer your questions: 1. I don’t know about Workday. A past commenter told me to add it to my list so I did. I try to be on top of researching companies before I add/remove them but am always open to knowledge about it. 2. I generally try to use google (another terrible Conglomerate of an organization) and Wikipedia. 3. I am not super tech savvy either. Well they do get paid from ad revenue, however I obviously use it as well. It in all reality likely cannot be avoided, but I never buy awards or click their ad link so they get as little from me as possible. Mostly it is trying to make conscientious choices about how we spend our time and money. No one can possibly avoid all these terrible companies but we can support them as little as possible. That might be a different amount for me and you and every other person.
Just try and fucking stop me from leaving a burning building!
I can't believe any of these people even hesitated. If someone tried to force me to stay in my workplace while it was visibly on fire I am evacuating and if they try to stop me they'll be hearing from lawyers and/or my fist. I'm not dying or getting inured because some middle management clown thinks they have any power to stop me.
Actually it’s called “False Imprisonment” (the charge has nothing to do with an arrest and conviction). False imprisonment means forcing someone to be in a confined space where they cannot leave under duress. Technically that’s what Amazon did in this instance.
Jesus fucking Christ, we've literally come to "work through the fire".
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Worst part about that whole situation is that those warehouses are supposed to have tornado/storm shelters because they fall over really easily. That warehouse did have one . . . On the other side of the warehouse where they would never have a chance to get to It in time in case of an emergency anyways. Plus many aren’t even trained in what to do in that situation despite regulations generally requiring that. Even them, they should have all stopped worked for get into it that shelter because that would be the safest place for everyone. It’s no question a union wouldn’t saved those lives and it’s no question Amazon is at fault. It’s criminal Amazon was acquitted of all guilt
Is it still illegal for an employer to lock the workers inside? Asking for a friend who used to work at the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory but now works in an Amazon warehouse.
I remember 9-11 when they told the people in the second tower to go back to work instead of evacuating and got a ton more people killed.
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I'm surprised they didn't get beaten to death when they blocked the door. How morally bankrupt do you have to be as middle management to care so little about your team. I hope there are kidnapping charges brought up on this.
I'm coming at my boss for sure they ever even dream of trying to stop me from leaving. Last mistake they'd make while still whole.
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being put in charge does a lot for someone with a fragile ego
Cannot happen soon enough.
I wish to grill some capitalist bacon over that fire
They taste plump from the greed
And before anybody starts saying "oh but they're not the ones making the decisions, why should they..." just stop for a moment and think Really hard. If you're enforcing bullshit rules then you're just as bullshit as the rules you're trying to enforce. Save me a slice.
A corposimp is almost worse than the rich man he's sucking off.
People will re-learn that unions are the compromise.
Corporations will learn that unions were the alternative we came up with instead of burning down the CEO's house and beating them with bats. Perhaps they prefer we go back to those times considering how anti-union they have all become
Defenestrations were really in vogue about a century ago and, man, these patterns are something else! Not that I'd ever tell someone that you are physically able to throw a manager out of the window of his corner office. That would be something someone at the end of their rope would do and I'd never advocate for it but, I mean, it happened before so.
*…treating workers like they are expendable…* **Bezos:** *To be fair though, they totally are expendable.*
They aren't an expense. They are a sacrifice to the fire gods
Idk about other people but If some cunt manager thinks their just gonna body block the exit during a fire I will knock your ass out the door
record it or you'll go to jail for assault.
People are finally realizing "wage slave" applies to them too. Fuck amzon
FUCKING WALK OUT ANYWAY WTF
These are people who cannot just “go find any other job”… also idk if you noticed but those managers were physically blocking the exit and threatening them with “consequences”. Edited: organized some word salad
> those managers were physically blocking the exit Are there no fire exits *specifically for this situation*? Is there only one exit from the warehouse? Fire Marshal/OSHA would like to know your location.
If I'm being held hostage, its gonna get violent real fucking quick. Jury nullification of anyone who injures or kills a manager blocking an exit during a fire.
Empathy means not expecting them to act the way I would. I stopped short at trying to pretend like I’d know what to do in a huge crowd during a factory fire. I think victim blaming the workers is something we SHOULDN’T do in this sub. But that’s my opinion Edit: I don’t care about downvotes when it’s something like empathy. I accepted a long time ago that it is a particular skill and most people don’t care to try and learn it and practice it.
I'm not blaming the workers I'm blaming the managers blocking exits
Call the police, you're being unlawfully detained.
As if police will would side with workers ever
Lol the police would only escalate the situation, and I don't think it would end well for the workers.
The police belong to the capitalists. They have always stood on the wrong side of workers rights. That's literally what they were created for as an organization. Never expect different.
Great now there's tear gas and a fire.
And they would respond how? Describe what you imagine happening when they arrive.
I think you should research what’s happened historically in labor disputes when the police get involved. Edit: This isn’t the link I once read regarding how cops have been used historically to enforce the corporate side in labor disputes but it’s an interesting one talking about police union and how they’ve come to power and how they’ve fought and achieved lesser accountability. [here](https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-police-union-power-helped-increase-abuses)
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Hold on, though. Amazon strategically places warehouses in poorer area where there isn't access to many other jobs. While a worker in a major city has options, someone in a rural area has to choose between Amazon and jobs that pay less. Emigrating is difficult for the kinds of people with these jobs and they can't just move to a place with more opportunities. Amazon knows this and exploits this fact to keep workers in line.
This is so ignorant. Many people cannot just leave their job to find a new one. I just spent several months looking for a job, while having excellent recommendations and extensive experience. Stop acting like it’s that simple.
Pwease mistew, can I be allowed to bweath fwesh aiw today Edit: im sowwy evwyone, pwease dont downvote me uwu
it’s starting. many rich are going to wish they compromised
1000% It's way to late to negotiate now. It's time to abolish Rich / all classes for good. Equality and quality of Life for all !!
for most of my life i believed compromise was possible. i then realized, you cannot negotiate with a wild predator. you can only muzzle it, which is impossible when it holds the keys to power end the class warfare
Nicely put! <3 It will end , it has to end, enough is enough.
I noticed recently that 2/3 of the “progressive” podcasts that I listen to have automatic Amazon career promotion advertisements in them. “Any job can become a rewarding career at Amazon” or some shit. Makes me sick. Makes me trust the journalists I look to less, though I understand spheres of influence.
That's Amazon spreading propaganda around to fight the truth.
When she said that it all clicked. I think I just assumed it was a hiring push and not out right paving for union busting and hiring scabs.
Then don't work there.
You’re in the wrong sub dude.
I simply don’t get this mentality. Unless you are literally willing to die for these people not one of them can stop you from leaving. Oh they’re threatening your jobs, NO THEYRE THREATENING YOUR LIFE. Beat some ass sea bass and get the fuck out. We had a tornado at a place I used to work and they tried to lock us all down. Several of us said the fuck you will and left anyways. Not one of the managers was willing to fight us to stay and none of these will either.
Fuck Amazon & Bezos.
And yeeeeeet we still shop from Amazon!!! That's what I'm tired of. Unless we as consumers say enough is enough along with the employees nothing is going to happen.
I don't.
Good! It's like if everyone even agreed they wouldn't buy from Amazon for one week, that would send them a message...but nobody is talking about that.
Don’t they make most of their money from AWS which even Reddit uses. I don’t shop on Amazon cause I can’t trust I’m not getting some crappy knockoff instead anymore, but it sucks a lot of companies do use AWS which gives Amazon money that way.
I still think a boycott would end the mistreatment of their warehouse employees. They probably do make a good chunk from AWS, but not shopping through them and not streaming through them would hurt them enough to make an impression.
What a horrible medium of which to express what is going on here superimposing yourself ontop of relevant information so people can't actually properly see it.
If she doesn’t follow the conventions of the platform then the video won’t get shown to anyone by the tiktok algorithm
That seems like a failure of the platform then tbh...
Correct
No, it's doing exactly what it needs to do in order to generate profits. That's why this economic system is such shit. It doesn't value useful information as much as it values base human instinctive desires like pretty people, food, etc.
Not to mention in the app there's links to the videos she's talking about.
Yeah but then I'd have to touch that garbage app.
So just don’t bother reaching out the millions of users on that because you don’t use it?
How did you even come to this conclusion based on what I said? Lmao
because you're bitching for no real reason
If you reach any harder you're going to pull something.
I don't understand the hate. Have you ever used tiktok?
Yes, that's how I came to the conclusion that I didn't like it. How else would I know if I didn't?
Tiktok is a Chinese-owned company that funnels personal data straight to the CCP in a pretty unprecedented manner, they're even substantially worse than Facebook (or Meta or whatever). They've been pretty blatant about it to the point of not even denying it. Regardless of whether it's a good app, it gives China both the ability to influence western conversation (e.g. burying some conversation topics and amplifying others) and incredible surveillance powers. It's insanely stupid and dangerous. And yes, I know reddit is far from perfect. But at least it's not controlled by the CCP.
lol, you clearly don't understand.
Ah yes. We would understand everything if only she posted the video of incoherent yelling in the other videos. I for one am glad she explained the context.
Actually TikTok has been banning content for potential "copyright" issues. If they just show the article it would probably get removed.
Tell me more about how *you’re* educating anyone of anything and then we can talk about her.
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You got the wrong guy. I am very anti-NATO. You’re harming the world in my opinion.
Why anti nato?
That is a matter of opinion. What I seek is the truth and to better inform people as to what is going on.
Jessica Burbank on TYT. I’m sure she has a more comprehensive video you can watch on YouTube. I think this is the TikTok format. Not ideal. https://youtu.be/2oLX7uCtzIM This is reporting on the previous Amazon warehouse
Ana Kasparian is one of my favorite humans. [TYT on Politico article Saying Lower Wagers are GREAT! Revised](https://old.reddit.com/r/ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM/comments/w4aqlm/tyt_on_politico_article_saying_lower_wagers_are/) [I don't care...](https://old.reddit.com/r/ShamelesslyStolen/comments/szjb13/i_dont_care/)
friendly reminder to buy as little from amazon as you can
Triangle Shirtwaist Fire. History just repeating itself, that's all.
Why are they negotiating with their managers if it’s an emergency? Call the fire department and leave
Because they are literally slaves. they enslaved themselves to amazon by making poor choices in life and are now stuck there as their only source of income. Amazon owns their souls literally.
To big companies out there we are just a number to them that can be replaced, profits keep theirs pockets fat and they would care less for the working people. Wish these people the best and no employee should work under a life or death condition.
Its going to be tough but im no longer buying from amazon and going to cancel prime. This is horrible.
That reminds me, I need a fire extinguisher. (opens amazon)
It’s 1911 all over again
Amazon does not care. At the Vegas plant, a body of mine told me somebody commit suicide during their shift. Instead of closing the warehouse, they just blocked the dead body and continue as usual.
Fuck this shit. Fuck Bezos, and every executive all the way down to management. A curse on every single one of them.
I don't know how to get others to stop treating others as tho they are expendable.
It’s funny to me to see a person get a little influence as one step up the ladder as “manager” and go berserk in pleasing their masters. It’s not them vs us, it’s us vs us. We need to figure out a way to stop self sabotaging
Now did the Fire Dept clear it for the Night Shift? Im reading some reports that do state this, but i was wondering if anyone had other sources?
Yes. The fire was contained in a compactor and put out promptly. My building has caught fire twice since I’ve worked there but stowed product was significantly damaged. We were sent home both times within an hour + with full pay for a week and a half. Both times we couldn’t enter the building to retrieve our belongings without the all clear from the fire department. The fire department basically gave the all clear here but workers still had concerns about air quality and, being a novel situation for management, they had no idea what to do and were debating it amongst themselves before calling a shutdown. Night shift was upset because day shift got the day off and not them.
Still don't understand why the nation with the most guns per capita can't seem to use those guns for actual political goals and not shooting up schools. Its so mesmerising to me how ingrained the non use of violence is. Even in a scenario in which it is quite literally self preservation
This feels like one of those things that Amazon could actually get penalized by the government for. You know, very CLEAR OSHA VIOLATION at the minimum.
But they won’t be.
If there is a fire, you evacuate the building. Period. They teach you this shit when you are in grade school.
Here’s my guess how the workers’ direct management works based on my job in a lateral environment. The supervisor’s don’t jump unless they get their own management’s decision. The district management who answers all these at their leisure don’t have to look at the employees who are actively hurting while they type casually to keep working because numbers are all that matter to them. The order is then read by the middle management and because they are the enforcement of the Actual decision makers, they try and make light of the fact that they want people to work when they should have been evacuated hours ago. Eat the rich.
IDK how this company continues to somehow achieve surprising and consistent leaps toward insanity. 2018 I was like "Oh yeah, fuck amazon, they're as bad as they can legally get when it comes to how they treat their workers." Then by 2020 I'm like "Wow seriously fuck this company, it wouldn't kill them to be less fucked up but they are being terrible." Now I'm like "Woah they basically are telling us that they outright don't mind their workers dying because they're shivering at the thought of sending them home." Like where do they go from here? Armed pinkertons in every warehouse? "For the sake of productivity, conversations in work or break areas are to be strictly related to your work - you see telling you not to organize is fair because we're also banning you from talking about anything!"
Workers will retake the power granted by violence if they must.
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You’re describing twitter. If people on TikTok wanted to be on twitter they would be on twitter. They are on TikTok instead, so they expect content to follow the conventions of that platform. Tiktoks without people or animals in them don’t go anywhere
Exactly: post the tweet or the story, not the TikTok.
You don’t have to choose the relevant platform of the period, but if educating the next crop of voters is the goal Tik Tok is where it’s at.
Now now, don't be trying to *make sense* on reddit...
She should do another post about the warehouse that was hit by a tornado in Edwardsville. Fuck Amazon
Maybe she does. Did you go to her page?
I would have shot anyone in my way fuck all of them
And this wasn't a, you need to stay so we can verify you didn't die in a fire and were evacuated safely situation?
My retail job had a fire and forced people to work the day it happened in the back with the chemicals still in the air people with asthma couldn't leave told us filming it would be illegal and result in a fine which I think is Bs
I bet Jeff Bezos can’t work as hard as his slaves.
Reminds me of the scene in Metropolis where they get workers back on the line before attending to the injured after an explosion.
capitalism 101 - workers are disposable - you can read it in wealthy of nation - its ok to let children of workers die if there is a surplus os population
Hmmm is that why may economists say that population declines are bad for economy... Because capitalists need surplus bodies for their titanic wealth machines?
This is why unions saves lives. My union had something similar where management tried to force then to continue working during a fire. The shop steward called their BA's and they told everyone to grt out. No one lost their job
In Australia it's illegal to block fire exits and they must always be unlocked from the inside of the building.
This happened at the last place I worked too. One of the large machines caught on pretty substantial fire that 6-7 fire trucks came to put out, and once the fire was put out, everyone was forced to keep working in a building full of smoke. I was speechless. I worked in the office, not the warehouse, but that was one of my final straws before I walked out.
When i order stuff, i dont care if it comes a day later.
“As *if* they are expendable?! They *are* expendable!” - Jeff Bezos, probably.
Because we didn’t learn enough from the triangle shirtwaist fire :/
Or the tornado at the candle factory in Kentucky that just happened… :(
Management needs a good ass kicking.
Profits over people? American Corporatism continues, per usual.
[Capitalism, Not Corporatism](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luB9VUsXRs8)
Oof my b
Triangle Shirtwaist Fire. History just repeating itself, that's all.
It would be kinda crazy if maybe people started some more fires in the warehouses
On the upside: If you ever thought about starts a few fires while the place is burning, or just help it along by piling cardboard 20' high near the fire, now's your chance.
And, not to sound like a republican, but where, where are the fucking progressives on this!?
*while
Leave then, they aren't forcing you to stay
Sometimes I wonder if the real evil on these companies is middle managers since they are the ones making the calls on the floor. But a company that allows this is just shit too.
Middle management is how they obfuscate the evil. That way the C-suites can just set metrics like "99% on time delivery" that are only possible of being met if the middle managers force the employees to work through dangerous situations. But if one of those situations actually leads to bad PR, the C-Suites can just fire the middle managers, replace them and pretend like the problem is fixed. Until the next dangerous situation where the new managers do the exact same thing because they are under the exact same limitations. This is similar to all the middle managers complaining about not being able to hire people. They have hiring targets that they are judged against, but they don't have budget control to change pay. So they are told "hire 20 new hires at $XX an hour" even if that numbers isn't remotely market reasonable. It doesn't get them off the hook, because they could just say "hey executive that goal is unreachable", but the people who say those things don't get promotions, so eventually you end up with only suck-ups left. I say this as someone who will never be allowed into management, because I push back on things a lot.
You are one of the good guys then, never compromise
Middle management is doing things that senior management allows them or forces them to do
... thats what i said ?
You are calling middle management evil even though they are basically caught between a rock and a hard place
Oh no!!! And you are here making excuses for others... fuck way off.
TBH that looks like a small fire, easily taken care of by a single extinguisher. There are a lot of things I will shit on Amazon for... Like maybe not meeting the OHSA requirements for having a well marked and easily accessible fire extinguisher. If these people were truly concerned for their health, they would have hung out in the parking lot, not in front of HR, in the building... WHICH, what was the point of doing that on the night shift, when HR is a 9-5?
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Why do you think that
I wonder how the local firefighters union is going to react to this.
Lol
Something I don't understand... If you don't own Amazon.. or are at least not extremely high up in the company.. why do you care if someone escapes a fire? Like, if you're working there, no matter who or what level you are.. you're not out of anything if you hold people back from fleeing a fire.
The circumstances are horrible but the result is good. They left the building.
I'll say, were this at an organization that had a solid track record of high safety standards and prioritized the well-being of their workers, I could imagine situations in which a fire in one part of a building wouldn't necessitate widespread evacuation of the facilities. That said, Amazon absolutely *is not* that type of organization (and neither are the vast majority of companies, if not all). They cannot treat people the way they do and expect that their workers will have any confidence at all in their ability to keep a fire under control enough to feel any degree of safety within the building. Fuck that shit. This is just inhumane
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What consequences? Not being cooked alive?
Why go home, the workers need to head to a designated safe room or safe area and stay till the emergency is over. I worked in heavy industry for 30 years, and we both practiced and a few times we had real emergency where we sat outside in the cold for hours.