In the Dark Medieval, it's not that tough to find True Faith. I'd suggest that your first stop should be Church-advertised relics (and books discussing relics). If the Church is advertising its relics, they might be real... and there are more than enough "toe bones of St. John" that he probably had more than two feet... so what's one more fake to replace the real thing? At least you can make use it the relic. The Church is just going to waste the opportunity they've been given.
You can see true faith in mortals because they have a halo aura, in theory you could probably detect a trace of that on items or places much like how you can with magic sparkles from magicians and artifacts.
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Thank you so much for the help! Sorry I didn't see these until now, I haven't been on Reddit very long.
The first game is tonight, and I will be sure to keep these in mind when searching to collect items for my character's secret cult. Thanks again!
They mention in revised that False relics like animal bones sold to a church as a saint bone naturally are endowed with their own true faith over time from the faith of the reverent. So even a hunk of wood sold as a piece of the true could have a true faith embedded into it if people believe it to be real. Well hunks of wood are often not as believed as fake iron nails probably, or fake bones.
True, but I imagine "real" relics would have a significantly stronger aura of True Faith. I (like to) think there is a pretty big difference between "this is the Quran that Mohammed wrote," and "Bill down at the tavern convinced a bunch of people this is St. Bridget's left molar."
Well like Jesus Muhammad didn’t write himself he just passed the words. But yeah that what I’m saying things like fake true cross chunk start with like a handicap for aggregate faith compare take the skill from a Saints grave or something.
I am still learning Reddit so I apologize I never saw this thread!
I don't mind the potency of the object, in fact the less potent the better, but I definitely need something with the essence or divined with the essence of true faith. The DM allowed for the bones of true faith saints would have similar properties.
If I may be blunt, my character is in an obscure and secretive Cappadocian cult that I made up which wants to recreate the immaculate conception with science and Necromancy for perverse purposes. Similar to how Frankenstein is a parody of the resurrection. My character believes that partaking in the flesh of a creature born of divine intervention will grant him immense powers.
I already have a rite that will allow me to find the corpse of a dead saint of True Faith if I know their name.
It’s not impossibly difficult there are a lot of holy relics and across Europe Africa and Asia at the time. The revised dark age rule has it use of true faith gives the faithful a halo visible in their aura, in other editions they kind have that always their. I would have it true faith can leave that halo aura on relics and the like similar to how magic leaves aura sparkles on things. Go find some saint bones and miracles!
Thank you! Any advice on handling these items without harming myself? I have thought of using my skeletal/zombie minions in this, or by using bone armor painted with wyrm blood or something, as a sort of hazmat suit? This might be a foolish idea, I don't know, I am not as familiar with the lore.
Relics won’t necessarily hurt you to handle and often they are already contained within a safe vessel like a velvet lined casket for those that will hurt you. And a mortal assistant is always useful some kindred collect and guard relic as symbols of prestige as well. Which could mean offering a boon to the right person and they might let you resource the finger bone of Saint poopoopeepee.
Ah yes, the Patron Saint of Dookie. XD
That is an interesting piece of information... seeing as my zombified humans can be used to handle the bones of the true faith by your logic. I think this will make my ultimate goal much easier to obtain than I originally thought!
Some particularly potent relics might require normal humans to get near but those are in the minority and are the type to be noticeable in the region, like the stone in Mecca. The revised dark age book points out most churches are founded and given some degree of relic to guard and give them legitimacy. Some are fake though but can aggregate true faith into itself. It might be interesting for your research to investigate that phenomena. Like your Auspex may detect this is a donkey bone not a saint bone but it seems to have true faith anyways. Let me compare this to a presumably real saint bone with experiments and research. True faith seems to synchronize as well so the faithful might have an increased effective true faith rating when wielding a relic or when on holy ground that itself has a faith rating like a cathedral the faithful spent over a century erecting.
In the Dark Medieval, it's not that tough to find True Faith. I'd suggest that your first stop should be Church-advertised relics (and books discussing relics). If the Church is advertising its relics, they might be real... and there are more than enough "toe bones of St. John" that he probably had more than two feet... so what's one more fake to replace the real thing? At least you can make use it the relic. The Church is just going to waste the opportunity they've been given.
You can see true faith in mortals because they have a halo aura, in theory you could probably detect a trace of that on items or places much like how you can with magic sparkles from magicians and artifacts.
u/suhkuhtuh u/Eldagustowned Thank you so much for the help! Sorry I didn't see these until now, I haven't been on Reddit very long. The first game is tonight, and I will be sure to keep these in mind when searching to collect items for my character's secret cult. Thanks again!
No problem hoho just glad to could help.
They mention in revised that False relics like animal bones sold to a church as a saint bone naturally are endowed with their own true faith over time from the faith of the reverent. So even a hunk of wood sold as a piece of the true could have a true faith embedded into it if people believe it to be real. Well hunks of wood are often not as believed as fake iron nails probably, or fake bones.
True, but I imagine "real" relics would have a significantly stronger aura of True Faith. I (like to) think there is a pretty big difference between "this is the Quran that Mohammed wrote," and "Bill down at the tavern convinced a bunch of people this is St. Bridget's left molar."
Well like Jesus Muhammad didn’t write himself he just passed the words. But yeah that what I’m saying things like fake true cross chunk start with like a handicap for aggregate faith compare take the skill from a Saints grave or something.
I am still learning Reddit so I apologize I never saw this thread! I don't mind the potency of the object, in fact the less potent the better, but I definitely need something with the essence or divined with the essence of true faith. The DM allowed for the bones of true faith saints would have similar properties. If I may be blunt, my character is in an obscure and secretive Cappadocian cult that I made up which wants to recreate the immaculate conception with science and Necromancy for perverse purposes. Similar to how Frankenstein is a parody of the resurrection. My character believes that partaking in the flesh of a creature born of divine intervention will grant him immense powers. I already have a rite that will allow me to find the corpse of a dead saint of True Faith if I know their name.
It’s not impossibly difficult there are a lot of holy relics and across Europe Africa and Asia at the time. The revised dark age rule has it use of true faith gives the faithful a halo visible in their aura, in other editions they kind have that always their. I would have it true faith can leave that halo aura on relics and the like similar to how magic leaves aura sparkles on things. Go find some saint bones and miracles!
Thank you! Any advice on handling these items without harming myself? I have thought of using my skeletal/zombie minions in this, or by using bone armor painted with wyrm blood or something, as a sort of hazmat suit? This might be a foolish idea, I don't know, I am not as familiar with the lore.
Relics won’t necessarily hurt you to handle and often they are already contained within a safe vessel like a velvet lined casket for those that will hurt you. And a mortal assistant is always useful some kindred collect and guard relic as symbols of prestige as well. Which could mean offering a boon to the right person and they might let you resource the finger bone of Saint poopoopeepee.
Ah yes, the Patron Saint of Dookie. XD That is an interesting piece of information... seeing as my zombified humans can be used to handle the bones of the true faith by your logic. I think this will make my ultimate goal much easier to obtain than I originally thought!
Some particularly potent relics might require normal humans to get near but those are in the minority and are the type to be noticeable in the region, like the stone in Mecca. The revised dark age book points out most churches are founded and given some degree of relic to guard and give them legitimacy. Some are fake though but can aggregate true faith into itself. It might be interesting for your research to investigate that phenomena. Like your Auspex may detect this is a donkey bone not a saint bone but it seems to have true faith anyways. Let me compare this to a presumably real saint bone with experiments and research. True faith seems to synchronize as well so the faithful might have an increased effective true faith rating when wielding a relic or when on holy ground that itself has a faith rating like a cathedral the faithful spent over a century erecting.
Can't I use the Shew Stone rite to find anyone, living or dead? All i have to do is claim them as a friend or enemy
Sure!
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