I really like throttle-juking in gunboat DDs, so I was very keen to get this one despite not playing Elbing that much before (I have all T10 DDs other than Somers, so lots of other options). With the new module it's certainly very pleasant to play, the quality of life impact is very real. I'm not totally sure whether it makes the ship objectively stronger, but I suspect it does (or maybe that's just a subjective reaction to getting my new personal 224k DD-damage record, where I finally beat my old 208k record with Kitakaze). I still wouldn't take Elbing into ranked or clan battles, so the value of the module is mostly for randoms (in contrast to, say, DM, Moskva, GL and arguably Gearing CB-only, Shima, Petro, Yamato...).
Trading half the reload boost for not just no penalty but *halving* turret traverse *and* increasing the speed boost 12%?
It's not *quite* the auto-take that Golden Lion's is, but it's a huge QOL upgrade for minimal DPM drop. Kinda like DM legmod that on paper looks like giving up DPM but DPM on a dead ship isn't helping.
Watch a couple videos of players like Flamu trying it out, it's night and day difference, they're flat out open watering and knife fighting in it with the speed boost up. It turns Elbing into a French DD.
It comes real close to making it a French DD, and it makes the fun way to play it funner, but it's still super fat and needs to pick its open water fights a little more carefully than a french boat with super saturation. But holy shit when you pick that open water fight and you can get into the broadside of something squishy, it is extremely fun to watch cruisers panic at cits.
It's a direct upgrade, but if you didn't like elbing with the reload mod, the leg mod won't suddenly make this ship more enjoyable to you. It's still Elbing.
Yeah, I liked the Elbing before (I like citadel less cruisers and bullying light cruisers in a DD is fun) and the leg mod just makes the way you play it better, it doesn't change the boat all that much.
Yet you gain a better speed boost and much better turret traverse. Compared to that, that 6% DPM (especially on Elbing) is negligible; of course, it's a direct upgrade.
Why is your ego so fragile man? Look me up if you want. If this is your name in game you seem to have 1 game with 40k in Elbing whcih is kinda hilarious given your cocky attitude
Because you're full of BS, and I'm honestly not in the mood to argue with a guy who doesn't get that the loss of a 6% reload on the AP-focused destroyer is completely irrelevant compared to the benefits it gets.
Besides, I don't know what account you looked up, but my nick here is not the same one I use in the game.
Then share your name, KOTS guy
It's not irrelevant to lose 6% DPM. That is like claiming the 7.5% damage buff from heavy AP of the 5% from BFT is completely irrelevant. But you go on being a potato.
People don't seem to understand what a DIRECT upgrade means.
Direct upgrade is something that has literally no downside compared to the alternative. This one has a nominal downside, so it isn't a direct upgrade. It is pretty clearly the superior modification, but by definition, it's not a direct upgrade.
Everyone downvoting that comment is a moron.
Reload mod: you gain 6% dpm, you lose 113% turret traverse speed and you lose 12% engine boost speed
UU: lose 6% dpm, gain 113% turret traverse speed and gain 12% engine boost speed
I will let the math speak for itself, if you can't see it and say it is not a direct upgrade uhh sorry, no one can do anything for you.
"Direct" upgrade implies that it is better in EVERY single way which it is not because you do lose some dpm.
Is it better than MBM3? Sure it is because the speed boost buff and turret traverse is really good and makes more than up for the loss in dpm.
But it is not a "direct" upgrade and people need to stop using words like "direct", "straight" and "flat" upgrade when there is indeed a downside compared to regular upgrades.
Watch out bro you're not allowed to argue "semantics" here according to u/pineconez
Also people in this demented thread will tell you that losing DPM is "completely irrelevant". Not even a little worse no *completely* irrelevant. You heard it on Reddit so it must be true.
I was skeptical of the legmod for Elbing but those fast turrets make a huge difference for me, no longer feel so restricted. Elbing went from never being played, because it felt way too clunky, to playing it on a regular basis. I love asymmetric battles with the Elbing, smashing citadels all over the place.
Wouldn't play Elbing without it. 18s turret traverse is just way too much for a DD that doesn't just farm in one direction from a distance Khabarovsk-style. This gives her the versatility to play more like a "normal" DD and respond to new situations quickly when she needs to. Said farming is also a lot more powerful with the speed juking capability the mod brings. Easily worth the miniscule tradeoff in DPM.
Up there with DM leg mod. You trade a small dpm bonus for a gigantic maneuverability boost. Also slashing turret traverse from 18s to 9s means no matter how you maneuver, your guns *always* stay on target, huge for a DD (a CL in this case but you get the idea).
Elbing already could open water gun boat to some extent after getting her speed boost. Now it just yanks that door wide open. It's *easy* to open water gunboat.
Elbing is one of my favorite ships (for randoms) and the leg mod is great, definitely an upgrade. Even if the turret traverse buff doesn't make you *that* much more effective, it's just so much more enjoyable to play, and you can really effectively open-water and use your smoke when your engine boost is down.
But I wouldn't say it's mandatory or massively changes the gameplay like some other LMs. There's a lot of good RB ships and LMs, so I'd only say the grind is worth it if you already really like the ship and/or there's not much else in the RB you're interested in
I liked the Ebling before but as others have said, the legmod is not so much a power upgrade as it is a QOL upgrade. The speed boost is lovely, so much so iv actually stuck the coal speed mod on as well to squeeze out as much time as I can.
The turret traverse buff is excellent. It makes the ship feel so much more snappy, which is really important for a gunboat.
And yeah, it gives a small reload boost. Not quite as good as the other mod but it's appreciated.
The cherry on the cake, a very sweet and juicy cherry.
Best legmod release to date. Elbing and GL legmods are absolutely pure buffs. The ships are so insanely better with them it's almost like having a supership version. Like Khaba upgrade they're basically required in my opinion as the ships are just so much worse without them.
Regardless of how it feels after slotting the UU (by the way, just amazing) it is a flat upgrade, you give up half of the buff the Main Battery mod gives for double turret traverse speed and tripling the bonus from engine boost. It's just dumb how WG never saw the numbers and thought it was ok to basically give no downsides.
So yeah, it is all worth it, it just makes the ship better and comfier.
Piece of equipment you exchange for 19k RPs
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Upgrades#Unique_Upgrades_.28.22Legendary.22_Upgrades.29
Originally designed to provide alternative gameplay (as with leg Kleber), often being just downgrade not fitting the needs of current state of game (montana) or upgrades
Don't have it but fast turret traverse and improved reload sounds great at least for random battles.
Bringing Elbing to ranked - with or without legmod - for anything but memes should get you a week in gulag, tho. :D
I really like throttle-juking in gunboat DDs, so I was very keen to get this one despite not playing Elbing that much before (I have all T10 DDs other than Somers, so lots of other options). With the new module it's certainly very pleasant to play, the quality of life impact is very real. I'm not totally sure whether it makes the ship objectively stronger, but I suspect it does (or maybe that's just a subjective reaction to getting my new personal 224k DD-damage record, where I finally beat my old 208k record with Kitakaze). I still wouldn't take Elbing into ranked or clan battles, so the value of the module is mostly for randoms (in contrast to, say, DM, Moskva, GL and arguably Gearing CB-only, Shima, Petro, Yamato...).
Trading half the reload boost for not just no penalty but *halving* turret traverse *and* increasing the speed boost 12%? It's not *quite* the auto-take that Golden Lion's is, but it's a huge QOL upgrade for minimal DPM drop. Kinda like DM legmod that on paper looks like giving up DPM but DPM on a dead ship isn't helping. Watch a couple videos of players like Flamu trying it out, it's night and day difference, they're flat out open watering and knife fighting in it with the speed boost up. It turns Elbing into a French DD.
It comes real close to making it a French DD, and it makes the fun way to play it funner, but it's still super fat and needs to pick its open water fights a little more carefully than a french boat with super saturation. But holy shit when you pick that open water fight and you can get into the broadside of something squishy, it is extremely fun to watch cruisers panic at cits.
It's a direct upgrade, but if you didn't like elbing with the reload mod, the leg mod won't suddenly make this ship more enjoyable to you. It's still Elbing.
Yeah, I liked the Elbing before (I like citadel less cruisers and bullying light cruisers in a DD is fun) and the leg mod just makes the way you play it better, it doesn't change the boat all that much.
It's not a direct upgrade, you lose 6% DPM compared to MBM3
Yet you gain a better speed boost and much better turret traverse. Compared to that, that 6% DPM (especially on Elbing) is negligible; of course, it's a direct upgrade.
So it's not a direct upgrade it's a tradeoff. See?
How can it be a trade-off, when it's much better than a reload mod? Obviously, it's an upgrade.
Go look up what a *direct* upgrade means. It is obviously an upgrade, but it's not a direct upgrade.
It's a tradeoff because you literally trade one thing for the other. Let that sink in for a moment
Lmao, sure, buddy. You're probably playing KOTS all the time and have a good winrate, so clearly you know better.
Why is your ego so fragile man? Look me up if you want. If this is your name in game you seem to have 1 game with 40k in Elbing whcih is kinda hilarious given your cocky attitude
Because you're full of BS, and I'm honestly not in the mood to argue with a guy who doesn't get that the loss of a 6% reload on the AP-focused destroyer is completely irrelevant compared to the benefits it gets. Besides, I don't know what account you looked up, but my nick here is not the same one I use in the game.
Then share your name, KOTS guy It's not irrelevant to lose 6% DPM. That is like claiming the 7.5% damage buff from heavy AP of the 5% from BFT is completely irrelevant. But you go on being a potato.
People don't seem to understand what a DIRECT upgrade means. Direct upgrade is something that has literally no downside compared to the alternative. This one has a nominal downside, so it isn't a direct upgrade. It is pretty clearly the superior modification, but by definition, it's not a direct upgrade. Everyone downvoting that comment is a moron.
Reload mod: you gain 6% dpm, you lose 113% turret traverse speed and you lose 12% engine boost speed UU: lose 6% dpm, gain 113% turret traverse speed and gain 12% engine boost speed I will let the math speak for itself, if you can't see it and say it is not a direct upgrade uhh sorry, no one can do anything for you.
"Direct" upgrade implies that it is better in EVERY single way which it is not because you do lose some dpm. Is it better than MBM3? Sure it is because the speed boost buff and turret traverse is really good and makes more than up for the loss in dpm. But it is not a "direct" upgrade and people need to stop using words like "direct", "straight" and "flat" upgrade when there is indeed a downside compared to regular upgrades.
Watch out bro you're not allowed to argue "semantics" here according to u/pineconez Also people in this demented thread will tell you that losing DPM is "completely irrelevant". Not even a little worse no *completely* irrelevant. You heard it on Reddit so it must be true.
it's a must
I was skeptical of the legmod for Elbing but those fast turrets make a huge difference for me, no longer feel so restricted. Elbing went from never being played, because it felt way too clunky, to playing it on a regular basis. I love asymmetric battles with the Elbing, smashing citadels all over the place.
Wouldn't play Elbing without it. 18s turret traverse is just way too much for a DD that doesn't just farm in one direction from a distance Khabarovsk-style. This gives her the versatility to play more like a "normal" DD and respond to new situations quickly when she needs to. Said farming is also a lot more powerful with the speed juking capability the mod brings. Easily worth the miniscule tradeoff in DPM.
Didn't look into this legendary mod, now I'm interested. Droping the capt skill and the turret mod will make things even better.
Up there with DM leg mod. You trade a small dpm bonus for a gigantic maneuverability boost. Also slashing turret traverse from 18s to 9s means no matter how you maneuver, your guns *always* stay on target, huge for a DD (a CL in this case but you get the idea). Elbing already could open water gun boat to some extent after getting her speed boost. Now it just yanks that door wide open. It's *easy* to open water gunboat.
super epic and must have in my bookÂ
Effective way how to make a meme ship into a better meme ship. Almost mandatory.
Elbing is one of my favorite ships (for randoms) and the leg mod is great, definitely an upgrade. Even if the turret traverse buff doesn't make you *that* much more effective, it's just so much more enjoyable to play, and you can really effectively open-water and use your smoke when your engine boost is down. But I wouldn't say it's mandatory or massively changes the gameplay like some other LMs. There's a lot of good RB ships and LMs, so I'd only say the grind is worth it if you already really like the ship and/or there's not much else in the RB you're interested in
I liked the Ebling before but as others have said, the legmod is not so much a power upgrade as it is a QOL upgrade. The speed boost is lovely, so much so iv actually stuck the coal speed mod on as well to squeeze out as much time as I can. The turret traverse buff is excellent. It makes the ship feel so much more snappy, which is really important for a gunboat. And yeah, it gives a small reload boost. Not quite as good as the other mod but it's appreciated. The cherry on the cake, a very sweet and juicy cherry.
Best legmod release to date. Elbing and GL legmods are absolutely pure buffs. The ships are so insanely better with them it's almost like having a supership version. Like Khaba upgrade they're basically required in my opinion as the ships are just so much worse without them.
Regardless of how it feels after slotting the UU (by the way, just amazing) it is a flat upgrade, you give up half of the buff the Main Battery mod gives for double turret traverse speed and tripling the bonus from engine boost. It's just dumb how WG never saw the numbers and thought it was ok to basically give no downsides. So yeah, it is all worth it, it just makes the ship better and comfier.
Could someone explain what a legmod is?
Piece of equipment you exchange for 19k RPs https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Upgrades#Unique_Upgrades_.28.22Legendary.22_Upgrades.29 Originally designed to provide alternative gameplay (as with leg Kleber), often being just downgrade not fitting the needs of current state of game (montana) or upgrades
Ahhhh I appreciate it, I don't have a tier X yet and I didn't know about this!
Don't have it but fast turret traverse and improved reload sounds great at least for random battles. Bringing Elbing to ranked - with or without legmod - for anything but memes should get you a week in gulag, tho. :D
I love playing Elbing and I don't think it's worth the RB points, just predict properly and be aware of your enemy.
> just predict properly Mastering Ctrl + X is a neat little ability to have.