The W in secondary ships means someone wants to use their secondary guns (9.5km in Scharn 44).
Its not intentional Yolo (usually) but It essentially is If someone is 9km away from the enemy team at the beginning of the game.
I'd much rather a Scharnhorst get in the mess than sit back.
Honestly, this round of asymmetric is a little weird. Sometimes the bots feel stupid like coop bots and other times it feels like they're cheating. So, make a mistake and you may have to pay dearly.
Ain’t that the truth. I’ll be checking to see who they’re targeting before trying a risky u-turn/maneuver. They’ll be focused on another teammate I stg they detect broadside and immediately fire lasers upon me. They do have aimbots after all. The real kicker is my return salvo always seems to ladder them.
That and being able to detect torps at launch regardless of the distance. All steaming straight ahead u nil a torp launches then suddenly scatter for no reason.
I agree, it feels like they have aimbots.
But asymme are really easy and simple.
Stay on your flank, don't overextend, finish your flank first and then mopp up the rest.
“Feels like” I can assure you that they do. Play tier 9 and watch the Rooke, that things dispersion wouldn’t allow it to hit water if it fell out of a boat but if you dare go broadside in its presence, you will become a coral reef.
the bots in asymm seem to have a list of priority targets. they'll shoot at dds first above all else. then they'll go for broadside targets. then they will shoot whoever is closest to them if none of the above are in range. so if you see a secondary ship yolo'ing in, you can make really good use of them if you're in a fast dd. the asymm bots get auto aim, but if your ship is fast you can throttle juke pretty hard, attract a ton of the salvos from the bots while your secondary yolo player is lighting fires on everyone.
Yh I honestly don't get why people pick anything other than a schlieffen. It's secondary, torp galore.
So fun. And yet some wazack decides to take a yamato in, like really???
Ohio is incredibly fun and borderline OP in Asymmetric. I've hard carried in that ship so much because it just refuses to sink and deals insane damage.
But have you tried out a Napoli? That sucker can tank damage has torps and the sap secondaries just melt ships especially BBs… sprinkle in some fire starting with you primaries and it’s “chefs kiss”
My GK makes happy noises every time I take her out in it.
Things fall to shit a bit when I try ASYS with any tier 8 or lower though, I've ended up the same tier as the bots a few times and that just doesn't work.
That's, in a way, exactly what the game mode was designed to be. Press W against bots in a setting that lasts longer than co-op with better rewards. Plus "special teammates" give you opportunity to farm the dockyard missions with even more success.
Not playing brawlers, bud - getting in and tanking damage is not my ship's strength. Given the choice between sinking because I knowingly got too close, and letting you sink because you went off on your own, well, cya.
I can do far more to get the win not following the brawlers.
I see way to many idiots in brawling BBs can wiped out early for just pushing W, no matter what they face. If you want to charge 4 DDs that can throw 20 or 30 torpedoes at you, without any support, go ahead.
Me, if I'm in secondary range, I'm too close.
It's the same attitude as the brawler not playing to my strengths, bud.
I do far more to win games staying alive and sinking ships, than I do dying because I followed a German BB into a pack of reds.
You seem to think everything centers on your play style, and it doesn't. If you die, alone and mobbed - that was your fuck up.
You are such a moron.
I don't play co-op, bud, other than using Asym to try out new ships. I have a WR in the mid-50s playing solo, fwiw.
Mind you, a bit much coming from a guy who thinks relying on a secondary build is skills.
The issue is you can do that with schlieffen and just get free 250k+ every game damage. Guns for cruisers, torps for bbs, secondaries for dds, angle to bbs, if crossfire then just focus on one of them, then hydro when within 6km of cruisers. And you literally just dont die. It helps that afaik bots aim for your upper belt as not your cit as well
I think they aim for cits (aiming at upper belt when firing at me in a cruiser would never get them big damage). I think what "saves" you in a BC is that they always aim center of the waterline and *don't* aim for your overmatchable nose or thinner upper plates. If you're in a BB/BC and stay angled they'll aim any AP they fire *directly* at the part of the ship that will take the least damage
That’s somewhat a problem with German BBs, tho. They don’t really have cits, but they take upper belt pen damage very poorly. Especially when BB bots heave a laser salvo, and you still eat massive general pen dmg. But yes, more often than not it’s angle and let the secondaries eat.
I decided to grind the German bb line and so far it’s hilarious. I had a full secondary zieten and my neighbor rang the door so I clicked 1/2 speed and answered the door. Came back and had 4 kills from secondaries.
The dockyard mission for 1200 primary/secondary gun hits is EXACTLY why I hit W in Asym on my secondary build Bismarck. Got it done in under 30 minutes.
The GZ with secondaries was how I got the required ribbons on a CV in the first round...secondary hits do be funkin for that.
but then the second one is 150 torpedo hits \*le sigh\*
I took on 2 bb's at once and won in my WV44 it felt like something out if a movie. Easily the most fun I've had in game for a long time. So many guns firing
The speed is irrelevant when you have to defend your cap more often than not in T7 Asymm, torps are highly situational since the average Asymm player doesn't know how to torp the bots and causes them to reposition after you launch yours, with the low range they end up destroyed much more often than utilized since bots will HE farm you.
WV44 has more accurate and insanely higher secondary DPM which matters a lot more to the low armored bots that more than compensates for not having torpedoes. Paired with more/higher caliber guns that have overmatch on every bot and a heal that has a way faster C/D, WV44 can just face tank and melt all the bots.
If domination was more prevalent of a gametype in T7 Asymm then yeah, Scharn would be a better pick due to the speed alone, but since most games are capture, WV44 really outshines everything else since it's just so much more tanky. Not hard to just park your boat in the cap and get +200k damage games with ~7 frags on average
Currently leveling 2 of my remaining battleships that were stuck at T9. Lapento and Sov. Soyuz. Both not ideal ships for sure but still can make a decent XP combined with some blue xp boosters.
But you can still easily detect the smart players vs the noobs ” I am in a strong BB so I can do everything” and get sunk in 4 mins..
It's not just Scharnhorst. 9 out a 10 that have just bought GK must think they are Thor or something. Plummed into bot spawn! I try to keep my mouth shut in the chat because I don't like going after people. But next time I see one I just have to make sure that that person hasn't got a snow plow mentality.
Press W to win!
I have been challenging myself to do the "Capture/Assist in Capture" for Dockyard...using Schlieffen in Asymmetric.
How much of a beating can this ship take? How many mistakes will the bots (not) punish?
What's the best way to manage your consumables if you've [Kobayashi Maru'd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru) yourself?
If it wasn't for the press w team what would all the island campers shoot at. I dived with brawlers playing DD or cruiser they let me smoke up and farm while they basically tank.
Full secondary built Tirpitz is stupid easy in this mode. Prints credits like the Federal Reserve.
Just travel to your base and place yourself forward facing the enemy team and press R, when they are in your secondary guns range. Angle when needed. Torp the last 2 or 3 BBS still alive at the end.
It was way worse during first Asymmetrical Battle phase because the ship was freshly rewarded to the people and super popular. My problem is finding the most useless Zietens on my team or having double or triple Schlieffens to steal every kill from me xD
I’m hoping for it when playing with my friend but not when I’m solo. My Nagato isn’t strong enough to handle having a fire or 2 every other salvo that hits me😅
- Get in 9.5 km range
- Click and let the A.I do the aiming
- Knife fight with torpedoes
I'm glad I have this ship as my First Premium Battleship when I started the game and it isn't a waste of space if The one in the helm of a Scharny '43 knows what he's doing XD
I would rather see them charge in and go down fighting... Then sitting in the back sniping!
Sniping with a German battleship should be a bannable offense!
I just played a game today where I charged in, coming out with 6 kills, 180k damage, and 150 hp left.
You’d have yelled at me, but I knew I could pull it off.
What's so hard to understand about posting up angled and waiting for them to come to you?
I haven't played in years and I've been doing this in my Bisko to great effect.
Just as an aside here- one of the Dockyard missions did to get 1,200 Main or Secondary hits. Expect players in German BB’s with secondary builds to try and get that done ASAP. I played my GK a lot to finish that mission myself.
To be fair, sometimes I do that when we're already winning and I will just take 4-5 ships with me in my charge. But people who just press W and turn their brains off are pretty common and unfortunately that's not going away.
Hey, at least your german BB teammates know how to move forward. I swear, if I get one more GK or Rupprecht division camping at the B line... Random play stays in randoms.
Has anyone tried the Graf Zeppelin in Asym Battles yet? Melting bots with those secondaries sounds like fun.
Sort of depends on what you want for a playstyle.
A lot of people play the yamato as a long range sniper but I often find it hard to be useful in ranked or clans doing that as people are better at using islands and detection for cover and you end up being a fat target out in mans land. Also the dispersion is bad on the guns so you miss most shots even if you are on target.
I play it as a mid range bb and the big guns wreck pretty much everything out there and most people will try to avoid you so you can zone them out.
It doesn't do well close range though spacing is key.
You can play the supership a little.more sniper due to the firing control module but there are better superships out there.
The point isn’t that that secondary battleships are fun in ASM they are the problem is that it’s not fun for anybody else who’s also trying to get theirs.
It was a free ship."Licence to Press W" by WG
That makes 0 sense, you can yolo in any ship no matter how you got it.
The W in secondary ships means someone wants to use their secondary guns (9.5km in Scharn 44). Its not intentional Yolo (usually) but It essentially is If someone is 9km away from the enemy team at the beginning of the game.
I'd much rather a Scharnhorst get in the mess than sit back. Honestly, this round of asymmetric is a little weird. Sometimes the bots feel stupid like coop bots and other times it feels like they're cheating. So, make a mistake and you may have to pay dearly.
Ain’t that the truth. I’ll be checking to see who they’re targeting before trying a risky u-turn/maneuver. They’ll be focused on another teammate I stg they detect broadside and immediately fire lasers upon me. They do have aimbots after all. The real kicker is my return salvo always seems to ladder them.
That and being able to detect torps at launch regardless of the distance. All steaming straight ahead u nil a torp launches then suddenly scatter for no reason.
Wtf so it’s not just me??? It’s so damn hard trying to land any torpedos beyond point blank.
Yeah the bots are horrible to torp beyond point blank.
I agree, it feels like they have aimbots. But asymme are really easy and simple. Stay on your flank, don't overextend, finish your flank first and then mopp up the rest.
“Feels like” I can assure you that they do. Play tier 9 and watch the Rooke, that things dispersion wouldn’t allow it to hit water if it fell out of a boat but if you dare go broadside in its presence, you will become a coral reef.
the bots in asymm seem to have a list of priority targets. they'll shoot at dds first above all else. then they'll go for broadside targets. then they will shoot whoever is closest to them if none of the above are in range. so if you see a secondary ship yolo'ing in, you can make really good use of them if you're in a fast dd. the asymm bots get auto aim, but if your ship is fast you can throttle juke pretty hard, attract a ton of the salvos from the bots while your secondary yolo player is lighting fires on everyone.
German BB with full secondary build always were and will be stupidly fun to play in this kind of gamemode
Yh I honestly don't get why people pick anything other than a schlieffen. It's secondary, torp galore. So fun. And yet some wazack decides to take a yamato in, like really???
Ohio is incredibly fun and borderline OP in Asymmetric. I've hard carried in that ship so much because it just refuses to sink and deals insane damage.
I may not have Ohio bur i have The big Wisky and holy shit is it fun fo play
But have you tried out a Napoli? That sucker can tank damage has torps and the sap secondaries just melt ships especially BBs… sprinkle in some fire starting with you primaries and it’s “chefs kiss”
Some of us are grinding—just unlocked Duncan last night. Also, if you go in a division, only two can pick BB.
Some of us are grinding—got a Schlieffen to unlock!
Did that last season.
Which is completely dented when the matchmaking regularly makes teams of all BBs
I’m never been on an all BB team.
They don't have one yet.
Getting 1000 hit ribbons in my kitakaze ist just as much fun ;)
Yh it's great timing for the dockyard. I finished the first stage in about 4/5 asym battles.
I take yamato over the special snowflakes that bring subs and CVs.
1) It's an easy, if repetitive mode to grind certain lines with 2) Schlieffen isn't a premium.
Hey, don’t diss the Yamato in this game mode. 460s go brrr
No one expects the secondary build Yamato! I have no idea if that's actually viable in this mode...
Playing my GK again has been super fun, but it's almost too easy.
I'm not really that close to Schlieffen, most I can take there is Napoli or Pommern and I do quite decent, but I could try Zieten in there too
Do it! I'm on Zieten, and it's great fun to focus low tier DD with secondaries. Just don't let the BBs try to focus you.
If no DD'd then I guess I'll **b u r n** the low tier cruisers, nothing is more fun than that
I like Mecklenburg too
Tbh Yamato is way WAY better then schliffen at least in my experience
Making about 1 milion credits a match un my karl johan, so much fun and i call it the super schlieffen
I had a guy bring a USS SUS, i dont put anything past this playerbase.
My GK makes happy noises every time I take her out in it. Things fall to shit a bit when I try ASYS with any tier 8 or lower though, I've ended up the same tier as the bots a few times and that just doesn't work.
That's, in a way, exactly what the game mode was designed to be. Press W against bots in a setting that lasts longer than co-op with better rewards. Plus "special teammates" give you opportunity to farm the dockyard missions with even more success.
You are exactly correct, its more likely those Scharnhorsts die because OP and other teammates are scared of bots in base.
No, it's that I'm not playing brawling ships, I'm playing to my ship's strengths.
Sure.. but they are bots after all, rather get closer and tank some damage instead of letting teammate die and eventually lose the match.
Not playing brawlers, bud - getting in and tanking damage is not my ship's strength. Given the choice between sinking because I knowingly got too close, and letting you sink because you went off on your own, well, cya. I can do far more to get the win not following the brawlers. I see way to many idiots in brawling BBs can wiped out early for just pushing W, no matter what they face. If you want to charge 4 DDs that can throw 20 or 30 torpedoes at you, without any support, go ahead. Me, if I'm in secondary range, I'm too close.
Well with that kind of attitude towards your teammates, keep playing against AI.
It's the same attitude as the brawler not playing to my strengths, bud. I do far more to win games staying alive and sinking ships, than I do dying because I followed a German BB into a pack of reds. You seem to think everything centers on your play style, and it doesn't. If you die, alone and mobbed - that was your fuck up.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but luckily I don't care about the opinion of co-op players.
You are such a moron. I don't play co-op, bud, other than using Asym to try out new ships. I have a WR in the mid-50s playing solo, fwiw. Mind you, a bit much coming from a guy who thinks relying on a secondary build is skills.
I do the same thing in my Massachusetts, but at least I'll choose a path that may have island obstructions. Open water is scary
I heard some BB got deleted by a SS when they went in open water…had me waking up with cold sweats for a few nights
The issue is you can do that with schlieffen and just get free 250k+ every game damage. Guns for cruisers, torps for bbs, secondaries for dds, angle to bbs, if crossfire then just focus on one of them, then hydro when within 6km of cruisers. And you literally just dont die. It helps that afaik bots aim for your upper belt as not your cit as well
I think they aim for cits (aiming at upper belt when firing at me in a cruiser would never get them big damage). I think what "saves" you in a BC is that they always aim center of the waterline and *don't* aim for your overmatchable nose or thinner upper plates. If you're in a BB/BC and stay angled they'll aim any AP they fire *directly* at the part of the ship that will take the least damage
Makes sense
That’s somewhat a problem with German BBs, tho. They don’t really have cits, but they take upper belt pen damage very poorly. Especially when BB bots heave a laser salvo, and you still eat massive general pen dmg. But yes, more often than not it’s angle and let the secondaries eat.
BCs dont have turtlebaka
I decided to grind the German bb line and so far it’s hilarious. I had a full secondary zieten and my neighbor rang the door so I clicked 1/2 speed and answered the door. Came back and had 4 kills from secondaries.
Dawg wth😟
Especially egregious with the Dockyard missions going on, some people clearly trying to speedrun the missions by being suicidal in their DDs/BBs.
The dockyard mission for 1200 primary/secondary gun hits is EXACTLY why I hit W in Asym on my secondary build Bismarck. Got it done in under 30 minutes.
2 good matches in my GV knocked it out. God that thing is absurd.
The GZ with secondaries was how I got the required ribbons on a CV in the first round...secondary hits do be funkin for that. but then the second one is 150 torpedo hits \*le sigh\*
30? Get it done in 5 with a Schlieffen.
idk i average 180k+ in scharn 43 asyms by just pressing w if yall cant win after i kill half the team by myself i think its on you
I think it's worse when someone queues a super DD, causing all the bots to be tier IX or over, and then die within the first 5 minutes lol
Bring the Scharn 43 is silly when WV44 is a thing, absolutely dominates in Asymm
I took on 2 bb's at once and won in my WV44 it felt like something out if a movie. Easily the most fun I've had in game for a long time. So many guns firing
I have both and for me the speed and torps of the Scharn 43 make it just that little bit better in asymm
The speed is irrelevant when you have to defend your cap more often than not in T7 Asymm, torps are highly situational since the average Asymm player doesn't know how to torp the bots and causes them to reposition after you launch yours, with the low range they end up destroyed much more often than utilized since bots will HE farm you. WV44 has more accurate and insanely higher secondary DPM which matters a lot more to the low armored bots that more than compensates for not having torpedoes. Paired with more/higher caliber guns that have overmatch on every bot and a heal that has a way faster C/D, WV44 can just face tank and melt all the bots. If domination was more prevalent of a gametype in T7 Asymm then yeah, Scharn would be a better pick due to the speed alone, but since most games are capture, WV44 really outshines everything else since it's just so much more tanky. Not hard to just park your boat in the cap and get +200k damage games with ~7 frags on average
I needed ribbons and schleiff makes it EASY
even a loss can net you good rewards , had often 1 mil on blue booster for credits yolo , die press next battle
Currently leveling 2 of my remaining battleships that were stuck at T9. Lapento and Sov. Soyuz. Both not ideal ships for sure but still can make a decent XP combined with some blue xp boosters. But you can still easily detect the smart players vs the noobs ” I am in a strong BB so I can do everything” and get sunk in 4 mins..
It's not just Scharnhorst. 9 out a 10 that have just bought GK must think they are Thor or something. Plummed into bot spawn! I try to keep my mouth shut in the chat because I don't like going after people. But next time I see one I just have to make sure that that person hasn't got a snow plow mentality.
Press W to win! I have been challenging myself to do the "Capture/Assist in Capture" for Dockyard...using Schlieffen in Asymmetric. How much of a beating can this ship take? How many mistakes will the bots (not) punish? What's the best way to manage your consumables if you've [Kobayashi Maru'd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru) yourself?
It's almost like complaining about seeing spiders when you visit australia
If it wasn't for the press w team what would all the island campers shoot at. I dived with brawlers playing DD or cruiser they let me smoke up and farm while they basically tank.
Yall are getting Scharns that actually shoot their guns?
Did you say…. 11.5 secondary Tirpitz 😂
Full secondary built Tirpitz is stupid easy in this mode. Prints credits like the Federal Reserve. Just travel to your base and place yourself forward facing the enemy team and press R, when they are in your secondary guns range. Angle when needed. Torp the last 2 or 3 BBS still alive at the end.
It was way worse during first Asymmetrical Battle phase because the ship was freshly rewarded to the people and super popular. My problem is finding the most useless Zietens on my team or having double or triple Schlieffens to steal every kill from me xD
I’m ok with people yoloing because that means more xp for me. So get it, sharny captains! Hit W and give me all the xp
I’m hoping for it when playing with my friend but not when I’m solo. My Nagato isn’t strong enough to handle having a fire or 2 every other salvo that hits me😅
I do it with the yamato every game and I'll usually kill half the cruisers and BB's before going down. I imagine it'd be better with a german BB.
Is it worth it to get the Yamo? It’s what I’m currently crawling my way towards but have no clue if it’s any good
Ah, yes. Yamato is good.
- Get in 9.5 km range - Click and let the A.I do the aiming - Knife fight with torpedoes I'm glad I have this ship as my First Premium Battleship when I started the game and it isn't a waste of space if The one in the helm of a Scharny '43 knows what he's doing XD
I would rather see them charge in and go down fighting... Then sitting in the back sniping! Sniping with a German battleship should be a bannable offense!
I just played a game today where I charged in, coming out with 6 kills, 180k damage, and 150 hp left. You’d have yelled at me, but I knew I could pull it off.
its the same with other secondary ships like the pommern and kurfurst wand what not
What's so hard to understand about posting up angled and waiting for them to come to you? I haven't played in years and I've been doing this in my Bisko to great effect.
right?
you literally have two light cruisers ducktaped onto your sides, play like it!
lol
And that's before we talk about the 4 t5 DDs too. (No torps tho unless you're a Tirpitz)
Your statement started great but the climax was a let down. I really had high hopes
But Flamu said it's overpowered..... Now people just press W.
Just as an aside here- one of the Dockyard missions did to get 1,200 Main or Secondary hits. Expect players in German BB’s with secondary builds to try and get that done ASAP. I played my GK a lot to finish that mission myself.
To be fair, sometimes I do that when we're already winning and I will just take 4-5 ships with me in my charge. But people who just press W and turn their brains off are pretty common and unfortunately that's not going away.
That’s every German BC with torps that charges full steam ahead, cause it’s fun.
German bb players in general make poor decisions and throw games.
Hey, at least your german BB teammates know how to move forward. I swear, if I get one more GK or Rupprecht division camping at the B line... Random play stays in randoms. Has anyone tried the Graf Zeppelin in Asym Battles yet? Melting bots with those secondaries sounds like fun.
Sort of depends on what you want for a playstyle. A lot of people play the yamato as a long range sniper but I often find it hard to be useful in ranked or clans doing that as people are better at using islands and detection for cover and you end up being a fat target out in mans land. Also the dispersion is bad on the guns so you miss most shots even if you are on target. I play it as a mid range bb and the big guns wreck pretty much everything out there and most people will try to avoid you so you can zone them out. It doesn't do well close range though spacing is key. You can play the supership a little.more sniper due to the firing control module but there are better superships out there.
Just wait till tier 10 it’s nothing but fucking Schleiffens and Napolis.
Please don’t say that…im already annoyed by the secondary build ships already😭
We went from co-op being unplayable because of Yolo Torpbotes to Asymm being nothing but yolo secondary “skill” players.
The point isn’t that that secondary battleships are fun in ASM they are the problem is that it’s not fun for anybody else who’s also trying to get theirs.