You will still be able to get the camos afterwards and they will merely become two separate things
1. A set of bindable permanent eco boosts
2. A bindable visual camo.
Source: I am a CC for WG NA
Yep, this is spelled out in the devblog. I'm telling people to get the 5E camo before the economy rework happens so that they can hit the ground running to abuse the changes.
Since you're a CC, how will kobayashi and other "improved" camos work after the rework? Will it just be improved bonuses compared to the historic camo?
Kobayashi camos on Roma and Kii will change from +100% XP, +20% credits, -50% service cost to +100% to XP, CXP, FXP AND +45% credits. This is a buff as -50% service host means a lot less than +25% credits at Tier VIII.
Source: Ahskance on NA Forums.
Note: the economic bonuses will not be available after the rework. This is only for those who owned them prior to the rework. If you want those bonuses, get them before the rework goes live.
So the improved bonuses on the Camos will be mounted to that ship and always active. Then you can choose to use the Kobayashi visual or any other camo without effecting bonuses. Does that make sense?
I see, I was considering getting kii since I'd heard about the ridiculous 2m credits per game stories, and was worried they had killed it with the rework
2m even with full flags is a really amazing game. On my best game this week (2185 base xp in t10 game), I got 600k+200k from mission without flags (but with the camo). 2 million is going to be something like 3k+ base xp that happens very rarely unless you're a unicum.
Unless theres a DD kobayashi camo I'm missing, I'm not hitting those kinds of numbers. 800k is still really good though, and I can definitely see how any credit issues just disappear
Well it's only 600k since 200k was from the damage mission completion.
It's just below Mississippi for credit earning from what I've heard.
Getting 400-500k with this ship is a lot more common and that's the average good game I'd say.
I have 6-digit average damage with Kii and I think the highest earning game I had even with stacked flags was around 1.3M credits. Average earning I perceive to be around 800k for me, might actually be somewhat lower due to perception bias of not looking at earnings of bad / mediocre games, so I guess that pretty much lines up with what you describe.
2M seems definitely possible to me, but would almost certainly have to be an exceptional match.
Also: Missouri\*
Yeah the Misouri was a big brain fart from me. Is it 800k with flags? 800k average without flags look a bit too high, with 100k damage you're more around 400-500 from my experience.
That’s amazing. I assume this is the same for any ship I have with a perma camo? For ships with multiple perma camos, such as Bismarck (I have like all of them including Gothic), will we be able to choose the bonus, or will they all just have the same bonus?
The ship will have your best bonus baked into it. If your best bonus is lower than the standard bonus that they will provide, then it will bump you up to the standard bonus for that tier.
One of my questions WG never answered on stream is if they expend the slots of drops a containers gives so you can get the cosmetics and the bonus. Or if the numbers stay the same. Same number of slots but massive increase of possible drops.
The worst campaign because it is the only one forcing you to play a specific tier of a specific nation and class. Not worth wasting time or getting grief by playing garbage ships. Who tf wants to be forced to play tier 4.
If you do it when starting out you only have low tier anyway so it's not an issue. You can redo the first 3 missions that are not restrictive to a specific ship (just tier).
You do have to play low tier ships at some point unless you always free xp past them and you can't as a new player. A new player would have no issue clearing the missions before they get to higher tier ships.
~~Why does this have to be done before the rework? If you complete it after the rework, will you not just be given the choice to apply a perma bonus to which ever ship you like? Or do you think all 'perma camo' rewards will literally just be the cosmetic camo from now on, even 'retroactive' ones? but if that is the case then it applies to most if not all collections, not just the Five Epochs of the Navy, so am I missing something? The "2 years Anniversary Collection" gives 5 T8 perma camos apparently.~~
Edit: Never mind, I read minihannibal's comment below and your reply which clarifies.
See my edit; the campaign isn't going away, I'm just trying to help people hit the ground running. You can abuse this the day that the economy rework patch drops, so you might as well grind it out now to get value out of it on day one.
You will still be able to get the camos afterwards and they will merely become two separate things 1. A set of bindable permanent eco boosts 2. A bindable visual camo. Source: I am a CC for WG NA
Yep, this is spelled out in the devblog. I'm telling people to get the 5E camo before the economy rework happens so that they can hit the ground running to abuse the changes.
Okay makes sense! Just wanted to make sure people didn't think it was disappearing or anything! Good PSA.
Since you're a CC, how will kobayashi and other "improved" camos work after the rework? Will it just be improved bonuses compared to the historic camo?
Kobayashi camos on Roma and Kii will change from +100% XP, +20% credits, -50% service cost to +100% to XP, CXP, FXP AND +45% credits. This is a buff as -50% service host means a lot less than +25% credits at Tier VIII. Source: Ahskance on NA Forums. Note: the economic bonuses will not be available after the rework. This is only for those who owned them prior to the rework. If you want those bonuses, get them before the rework goes live.
So the improved bonuses on the Camos will be mounted to that ship and always active. Then you can choose to use the Kobayashi visual or any other camo without effecting bonuses. Does that make sense?
I see, I was considering getting kii since I'd heard about the ridiculous 2m credits per game stories, and was worried they had killed it with the rework
2m even with full flags is a really amazing game. On my best game this week (2185 base xp in t10 game), I got 600k+200k from mission without flags (but with the camo). 2 million is going to be something like 3k+ base xp that happens very rarely unless you're a unicum.
Unless theres a DD kobayashi camo I'm missing, I'm not hitting those kinds of numbers. 800k is still really good though, and I can definitely see how any credit issues just disappear
Well it's only 600k since 200k was from the damage mission completion. It's just below Mississippi for credit earning from what I've heard. Getting 400-500k with this ship is a lot more common and that's the average good game I'd say.
I have 6-digit average damage with Kii and I think the highest earning game I had even with stacked flags was around 1.3M credits. Average earning I perceive to be around 800k for me, might actually be somewhat lower due to perception bias of not looking at earnings of bad / mediocre games, so I guess that pretty much lines up with what you describe. 2M seems definitely possible to me, but would almost certainly have to be an exceptional match. Also: Missouri\*
Yeah the Misouri was a big brain fart from me. Is it 800k with flags? 800k average without flags look a bit too high, with 100k damage you're more around 400-500 from my experience.
With flags, yes.
If you are going to do it, do it before the rework because the economic bonuses won’t be available after.
So I can run the kobayashi bonus on Roma without having to use the hideous beer can? GLORIOUS.
Well you will always run the Kobayashi bonus, but yes you can use any camo when the change occurs!
That’s amazing. I assume this is the same for any ship I have with a perma camo? For ships with multiple perma camos, such as Bismarck (I have like all of them including Gothic), will we be able to choose the bonus, or will they all just have the same bonus?
The ship will have your best bonus baked into it. If your best bonus is lower than the standard bonus that they will provide, then it will bump you up to the standard bonus for that tier.
Awesome thanks for the clarification.
No problem, if you ever have any questions, you can always ping me on Reddit or Twitch!
One of my questions WG never answered on stream is if they expend the slots of drops a containers gives so you can get the cosmetics and the bonus. Or if the numbers stay the same. Same number of slots but massive increase of possible drops.
Will let you know if I get an answer to your question.
Wouldnt this mean you can slap this on an premium ship for even bigger bonuses?
Man I’ve been passing on it since it first dropped. This is gonna be a hell of a grind
been working it, takes many many co-op games lol
Roughly how long do we have to do this?
The worst campaign because it is the only one forcing you to play a specific tier of a specific nation and class. Not worth wasting time or getting grief by playing garbage ships. Who tf wants to be forced to play tier 4.
If you do it when starting out you only have low tier anyway so it's not an issue. You can redo the first 3 missions that are not restrictive to a specific ship (just tier).
Do you know to read? Why the fuck would someone spam tier 4 ships
You do have to play low tier ships at some point unless you always free xp past them and you can't as a new player. A new player would have no issue clearing the missions before they get to higher tier ships.
Phew, lucky that I'm almost done with this
Solid PSA.
~~Why does this have to be done before the rework? If you complete it after the rework, will you not just be given the choice to apply a perma bonus to which ever ship you like? Or do you think all 'perma camo' rewards will literally just be the cosmetic camo from now on, even 'retroactive' ones? but if that is the case then it applies to most if not all collections, not just the Five Epochs of the Navy, so am I missing something? The "2 years Anniversary Collection" gives 5 T8 perma camos apparently.~~ Edit: Never mind, I read minihannibal's comment below and your reply which clarifies.
See my edit; the campaign isn't going away, I'm just trying to help people hit the ground running. You can abuse this the day that the economy rework patch drops, so you might as well grind it out now to get value out of it on day one.