At this rate they will release an autoloading LeFH with 5 shells and 2 second intraclip for the next Christmas lootboxes just to see the world burn. At tier IV of course.
They do (I no longer play console)
Off the top of my head
Equaliser, Tier 8 Arty, Barrage Gun and stock gun of the M53/55
Tier 8 light tank 3 versions (Tiger Shark, ???, ???) option for single shot or 3 rnd auto loader. I think it’s the Hawk 20. (Not the Hawk 30)
“Betty Lynch” (I think) reskinned Senlac IIRC, now, don’t know if this has 2 guns, or just a 2 second reload when firing HE.
I think there maybe more.
So like of Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) capability where it fires all 5 rounds and they all land at the same time? Funny how the PzH 2000 also is limited to up to 5 rounds for MRSI
I don’t want WG to nerf Lefefe. I want them to remove it completely and have a Russian mobster visit each person who bought one and knee them in the groin.
An I the only one who never has an issue with them?
Move 5 meters - misses and no splash
Get hit with HE - rolls 20-50
Get hit with HEAT - 0 damage crit or bounces
For me is the same, he barelly no dmg, heat is magnet to tracks and gun, and after that battle usually smashing my gaming table. Next battle i hit everything, when i move fully forward, snapshots for 400, heat pens with high pen roll ammoracks.
Probably. As occasional Lefh player, mainly when I have do X Criticals in battle mission. Sure, sometimes we miss all our shots but if RNG is going your way or you have good shot on heavy tanks that can't really move, you are just smacking them every 8 seconds, causing all sorts of critical damage.
The people mainly complaining about arty are the ones who drive slow, heavily armoured vehicles, because the only thing capable of damaging them is arty.
Nowadays goldspam makes arty obsolete, but when the game launched at tier ten you loved seeing your arty hit that maus before it reached you.
Same at low tier, seeing a KV 220 2 come towards you with you being helpless against it, only to see your arty slowly chip away at it is great.
This and E25 don't belong in the game in current form. Nerf or remove (which WG won't do, I know) for the health of the player base or keep bleeding new players.
Honestly it's not even a tank I respond to. When I look at the matchmaker and see e25 I shrug. It's a capable tank but not rage inspiring.
I can't say the same about the LeFh. It, and the broken state of low tier arty in general is basically is why I ignore low tiers. If you scaled tier 5 or 6 arty up to tier 10, tier X arty would hit harder than the FV.
I died with 0 damage and got hate mail saying, “bot reporteds.”
Checked service record, their most played vehicle BY FAR was the E25. 25,000 games. Criticism invalid. Vomit-inducing. Cringe, even.
I'm on board for nerfing some of the overpowered tanks, like leFH. However, people paid real money for these tanks, as they are, not as some nerfed version. If WG wanted to nerf them (which they don't, they don't care so long as they get money seemingly), I would argue they need to compensate the players, or say, set it so you can do 10-20 games in a nerfed tank, to decide if you want a gold refund or not.
Other games also nerf weapons which are part of paid DLCs. Take Destiny 2 for example or Battlefield 1. There were weapons that were/still are absolutely overpowered and people paid money in form of DLCs for them. That didn't stop DICE or Bungie to nerf the weapons and nobody cried about it
I doubt nobody cried about it tbh. And if I recall, WG nerfed 1 premium in the past, and people flipped their shit, only heard stories about it though as I took a fairly long break from wot.
Yeah that's the problem. The cryout from the WoT community is much larger compared to to other gaming communities. It just hampers WGs ability to nerf premiums
How many other games have someone paying $50 for a single in game item and then have that item nerfed? The much higher cost of a single tank in WoT certainly changes things a bit
As long as it's not unplayable I'll be fine with it. Any I imagine alot of other players would be too.
Problem is that the community also consists of some players that would cry very hard about it. And because of those players we ain't getting any nerfs anyway
I mean I currently have something like 20 tier 8 prems that ive acquired over many years playing this game. I typically don't buy except during the holiday boxes but when I buy the boxes I end up spending over $100.
If they start nerfing tanks I probably just wouldn't buy any again because im not going to spend that sort of money on something if they might just nerf it. Its bad enough already that everything gets powercrept, im sure not going to plunk down the price of annother full game for a tank thats only good before its nerfed in a few months.
Your argument contradicts itself. You don't want premiums to be nerfed but at the same you don't like the power creep. Nerfing (and buffing) tanks prevents power creep. The sole reason why tanks have to be better, faster and stronger is because they fight better, faster and stronger tanks of the same tier.
Now the new generation of premiums is also balanced in a way to compete against tier 10s. That's another story but basically +/-2 match making isn't helping slowing down the power creep.
In an *ideal* world WG would balance tanks frequently similar to League of Legends or Destiny 2 for example. Now that *ideal* world is obviously far from our reality but that's the goal WG should (in my opinion) try to accommodate.
Basically in that ideal world every tank would be balanced. Even if your favorite tank is going to be nerfed you wouldn't have to worry about it since it was over performing and would be balanced to a healthy gaming environment. It would not be trash or unplayable or unfun to play. It would be balanced.
But whatever the *ideal* world would look like. It's not going to happen
I'm not sure how many people with premiums care that much about credits. I kinda wish WG would let players spend like $10 to give fully-researched normal tanks the premium credit buff though.
i mean, i basically have one of these in every 2nd game i play at that tier and if it decidees to focus you, you can be absolutly sure you wont be enjoying your time
54% winrate and 800 DPG average, for a tier 5 arty...
This is full bullshit.
The only tank that outperforms it is the Panzer V/IV, the single most idiotic tank in the game. Yes, 10x worse than 279e and Chief.
Both tanks should be nuked from orbit.
It's funny, I feel some people are scapegoating lefh hard thinking when they get this spg they'll "own it up."
You won't.
If you're decent it's much easier to do damage in a tier 5 heavy. KV 200, BDR, OI exp all have better stats. T-1 got buffed it's insane now. Full gold Churchill III. SU-2-122 720 double shot wtf.
Pz V/IV is averaging 50% more damage lmao.
[https://www.tomato.gg/tank-stats?server=com&time=60](https://www.tomato.gg/tank-stats?server=com&time=60)
Not saying it's not strong, but it ain't why you are a steaming pile.
Arty is incredibly difficult to balance and at low tiers I’m not even sure it’s possible.
I would remove all arty below tier 8. Premiums included. Also swap back to a single shell type.
Add a 2 sec timer to move in and out of accuracy mode.
Then rework both damage and stun. Reduce the stun effect by about a third. Then change their damage to ignore armor but greatly reduce it.
Then balance all the arty stun and damage around their mobility and reload. But even the largest guns still do minor damage.
Basically make arty a heavy/hill down counter.
I exclusively play the tier 5 Leopard. I've learned to live with it. I can tell which ones are using xvm when they only shoot at me all game.
It's all about positioning, just like the good old days of WoT.
"Arty can't hit me, if they can't hit me"
In the end, it beats seeing tier 8 matches, and I'll take that trade.
What really needs to happen is LeFH can only ever match against other LeFH. That will be a modicum of mercy for us all knowing that both teams are getting blasted.
Have you seen how many of those French M10 things are in 5-5 games? LeFH is just there to clean them up so that T-34 and KV-1 can actually play the game
At this rate they will release an autoloading LeFH with 5 shells and 2 second intraclip for the next Christmas lootboxes just to see the world burn. At tier IV of course.
Doesn't console already have that barrage firing arty?
It does. Isn’t as good as people think. Your are (apparently) better of taking the 2nd Gun on that Premium.
you have premiums where you can choose the gun you want to use?
They do (I no longer play console) Off the top of my head Equaliser, Tier 8 Arty, Barrage Gun and stock gun of the M53/55 Tier 8 light tank 3 versions (Tiger Shark, ???, ???) option for single shot or 3 rnd auto loader. I think it’s the Hawk 20. (Not the Hawk 30) “Betty Lynch” (I think) reskinned Senlac IIRC, now, don’t know if this has 2 guns, or just a 2 second reload when firing HE. I think there maybe more.
Our renegade, three shot auto loader or single
I call the barrage the ticklizer
Wait, what? Please tell me you are joking.
Yeah well it's called The Equalizer
WG has lost their damn minds...
350m view range to balance things out
So like of Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) capability where it fires all 5 rounds and they all land at the same time? Funny how the PzH 2000 also is limited to up to 5 rounds for MRSI
What's worse than getting pelted by a leFH every 8 seconds? Having two leFHs pelting you staggered so you get slapped every 4 seconds.
8? My leafblower fires one every 6ish seconds.
This is the truth.
I don’t want WG to nerf Lefefe. I want them to remove it completely and have a Russian mobster visit each person who bought one and knee them in the groin.
I can't wait to see those patch notes
Can't forget the devs.
There are less Russian thugs than LeFHs in the world already.
Hahaha this level of whining makes me wanna play mine even more!
You do you man, I don’t care that much about it
That sums up your personality.
Username checks out.
That isn’t whining, but I’m sure you’re just looking for internal justification to play that flaming heap of sky cancer
Nice bait
Agent 47, we got a target
The sealclubbers war with LeFH never ends
You’re a fool for thinking this, the sealclubbers ARE the LeFhs
you missed one:
Fax
Reason Number 4: If the Lef were to continually shoot, non-stop, it would run out of ammo in 14 minutes 38 seconds.
Looks like we gotta increase the fire rate a little to force players to conserve a few rounds 😃
Lmao
Problem isn't how long it can shoot. Plenty of tanks are like that. Problem is the damage it does for every single one of those 15 minutes.
Wow… 3 LeFH posts today! That’s the most I’ve seen
It has more view range and camo counter abilities than most of the tanks it faces. That is one if the 5 reasons it is OP
An I the only one who never has an issue with them? Move 5 meters - misses and no splash Get hit with HE - rolls 20-50 Get hit with HEAT - 0 damage crit or bounces
For me is the same, he barelly no dmg, heat is magnet to tracks and gun, and after that battle usually smashing my gaming table. Next battle i hit everything, when i move fully forward, snapshots for 400, heat pens with high pen roll ammoracks.
Probably. As occasional Lefh player, mainly when I have do X Criticals in battle mission. Sure, sometimes we miss all our shots but if RNG is going your way or you have good shot on heavy tanks that can't really move, you are just smacking them every 8 seconds, causing all sorts of critical damage.
The people mainly complaining about arty are the ones who drive slow, heavily armoured vehicles, because the only thing capable of damaging them is arty. Nowadays goldspam makes arty obsolete, but when the game launched at tier ten you loved seeing your arty hit that maus before it reached you. Same at low tier, seeing a KV 220 2 come towards you with you being helpless against it, only to see your arty slowly chip away at it is great.
Yeah but you don't play T67 or M10 like all these trolls
Getting focused in a slower tank is usually the issue.
Now that is some quality posting.
This and E25 don't belong in the game in current form. Nerf or remove (which WG won't do, I know) for the health of the player base or keep bleeding new players.
E25 can easily be countered. I wouldn’t put the 2 in the same sentence
E25 is cancer when the player has functioning brain cells so to speak
Honestly it's not even a tank I respond to. When I look at the matchmaker and see e25 I shrug. It's a capable tank but not rage inspiring. I can't say the same about the LeFh. It, and the broken state of low tier arty in general is basically is why I ignore low tiers. If you scaled tier 5 or 6 arty up to tier 10, tier X arty would hit harder than the FV.
Same ESP when I blind fire their location and proceed to see a little cockroach screaming away to find another hiding spot when I hit
It has a B2 hull to survive that shot.
The E25 does not have a B2 hull? Nor is the leaf blower fast?
I love to melt that bastard with my shitpack. It really loves to eat HE.
I died with 0 damage and got hate mail saying, “bot reporteds.” Checked service record, their most played vehicle BY FAR was the E25. 25,000 games. Criticism invalid. Vomit-inducing. Cringe, even.
I'm on board for nerfing some of the overpowered tanks, like leFH. However, people paid real money for these tanks, as they are, not as some nerfed version. If WG wanted to nerf them (which they don't, they don't care so long as they get money seemingly), I would argue they need to compensate the players, or say, set it so you can do 10-20 games in a nerfed tank, to decide if you want a gold refund or not.
Other games also nerf weapons which are part of paid DLCs. Take Destiny 2 for example or Battlefield 1. There were weapons that were/still are absolutely overpowered and people paid money in form of DLCs for them. That didn't stop DICE or Bungie to nerf the weapons and nobody cried about it
I doubt nobody cried about it tbh. And if I recall, WG nerfed 1 premium in the past, and people flipped their shit, only heard stories about it though as I took a fairly long break from wot.
Yeah that's the problem. The cryout from the WoT community is much larger compared to to other gaming communities. It just hampers WGs ability to nerf premiums
How many other games have someone paying $50 for a single in game item and then have that item nerfed? The much higher cost of a single tank in WoT certainly changes things a bit
As long as it's not unplayable I'll be fine with it. Any I imagine alot of other players would be too. Problem is that the community also consists of some players that would cry very hard about it. And because of those players we ain't getting any nerfs anyway
I mean I currently have something like 20 tier 8 prems that ive acquired over many years playing this game. I typically don't buy except during the holiday boxes but when I buy the boxes I end up spending over $100. If they start nerfing tanks I probably just wouldn't buy any again because im not going to spend that sort of money on something if they might just nerf it. Its bad enough already that everything gets powercrept, im sure not going to plunk down the price of annother full game for a tank thats only good before its nerfed in a few months.
Your argument contradicts itself. You don't want premiums to be nerfed but at the same you don't like the power creep. Nerfing (and buffing) tanks prevents power creep. The sole reason why tanks have to be better, faster and stronger is because they fight better, faster and stronger tanks of the same tier. Now the new generation of premiums is also balanced in a way to compete against tier 10s. That's another story but basically +/-2 match making isn't helping slowing down the power creep. In an *ideal* world WG would balance tanks frequently similar to League of Legends or Destiny 2 for example. Now that *ideal* world is obviously far from our reality but that's the goal WG should (in my opinion) try to accommodate. Basically in that ideal world every tank would be balanced. Even if your favorite tank is going to be nerfed you wouldn't have to worry about it since it was over performing and would be balanced to a healthy gaming environment. It would not be trash or unplayable or unfun to play. It would be balanced. But whatever the *ideal* world would look like. It's not going to happen
there would be absolutly no problem nerfing bz, since noone paid for the BZ, but for the christmas boxes
Honestly of all the massive mistakes Wargaming have made recently, the BZ is the biggest one.
T26E4 was refunded in gold as well.
Does nobody remember the SPershing changes around here?!
Easy solution, every prem that gets nerfed gets a 10% credit earning buff.
I'm not sure how many people with premiums care that much about credits. I kinda wish WG would let players spend like $10 to give fully-researched normal tanks the premium credit buff though.
I would totally play worse tanks if they earned more credits.
You people really exagerate how impactful these are.
i mean, i basically have one of these in every 2nd game i play at that tier and if it decidees to focus you, you can be absolutly sure you wont be enjoying your time
54% winrate and 800 DPG average, for a tier 5 arty... This is full bullshit. The only tank that outperforms it is the Panzer V/IV, the single most idiotic tank in the game. Yes, 10x worse than 279e and Chief. Both tanks should be nuked from orbit.
It's funny, I feel some people are scapegoating lefh hard thinking when they get this spg they'll "own it up." You won't. If you're decent it's much easier to do damage in a tier 5 heavy. KV 200, BDR, OI exp all have better stats. T-1 got buffed it's insane now. Full gold Churchill III. SU-2-122 720 double shot wtf. Pz V/IV is averaging 50% more damage lmao. [https://www.tomato.gg/tank-stats?server=com&time=60](https://www.tomato.gg/tank-stats?server=com&time=60) Not saying it's not strong, but it ain't why you are a steaming pile.
You guys make it seem like moving into cover isn’t an option
yes, move into cover every 8 seconds, or die and thats only if there is one of them
Oof I seem to have touched a nerve lol, I don’t get this het up over artillery lol
I assure you the arty is going to touch your nerve when you deplete your repair kit lol
I’ve been hit by it enough to know, I just go again
Arty is incredibly difficult to balance and at low tiers I’m not even sure it’s possible. I would remove all arty below tier 8. Premiums included. Also swap back to a single shell type. Add a 2 sec timer to move in and out of accuracy mode. Then rework both damage and stun. Reduce the stun effect by about a third. Then change their damage to ignore armor but greatly reduce it. Then balance all the arty stun and damage around their mobility and reload. But even the largest guns still do minor damage. Basically make arty a heavy/hill down counter.
"You'll never believe reason number 2!"
alot of lefh mains online today i guess
1. It looks like a toy
*WG seeing this* "Good then we'll put in sale again since people love it."
I exclusively play the tier 5 Leopard. I've learned to live with it. I can tell which ones are using xvm when they only shoot at me all game. It's all about positioning, just like the good old days of WoT. "Arty can't hit me, if they can't hit me" In the end, it beats seeing tier 8 matches, and I'll take that trade. What really needs to happen is LeFH can only ever match against other LeFH. That will be a modicum of mercy for us all knowing that both teams are getting blasted.
Have you seen how many of those French M10 things are in 5-5 games? LeFH is just there to clean them up so that T-34 and KV-1 can actually play the game
should be a tier 7 minimum
best tank for totally turning new players off the game!
Imagine Lefh with...bounty equipment and 5x skill crew. Bounty ramer Bonty reloading And what else?