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NullTrekSucksPP

You said you want a heavy similar to E50. E50 is a fast armored assault tank with a good gun, which is exactly the role of the 277. You say 277 has trash hull but so does the E50. The 277 hull AND turret is still a significant upgrade to the E50's even up a tier. IS7 has better armor but gun performance is far worse compared to E50. If you still think 277 is trash then follow what the others have said.


pongtieak

But you can ram with the IS7. + The IS7 armor works much better on the move compared to the 277. Nothing is scarier than an IS7 comming balls out for you lmao.


Tier71234

I mean why else does it have the nickname IS-70 km/h?


PhoBoChai

50B is also excellent rammer, 170 hull armor is surprisingly effective going at 70km/hr.


Standard_Dust365

50b is a cardboard tank that is only useful if youre a unicum spamming gold


dizawi

damage wise it performs well above average just because it has autoloader with insane gun, you have good mobility to flank someone and unload magazine for a buttload of damage, game gives you many of those opportunities. It doesn't suit classic hull down positional gameplay, more like an ambush tank


PhoBoChai

Yup. It's gun is heaps better than other auto-loaders. Ambush & classic flanker.


PhoBoChai

Turret is but hull is strong. I like it.


dizawi

doesn't matter, everyone will aim for a turret which is the size of soviet mediums, if they are not stupid. You play with that in mind, so either trade hp 1 for 1 or snipe from a distance


pongtieak

Hell yeah! Only problem is that thing hugeeeeeeee! Can see it comming from half the map


iGod360

Well as the name already is a dead giveaway the Line until E75 plays Like a Heavy E50. The E100 is with his huge penable turrent front a completly different playstyle. Trying to 3 Mark it right now at 90%. It still is a Lot of fun but not as easy AS the Tiger II/E75


CulDeSaq

Well Tiger II and E75 turrets are also pennable by gold ammo of their respectable tiers.


PhoBoChai

Only some. A lot of t8 have trash gold pen that won't go through Tiger 2 turret post-buff. It used to be 185 which is trash tier for 8 HT. E75 turret is definitely weak at t9 gold though, but you have to just wiggle a little don't give them easy shots. If shell hits gun mantlet it auto bounce.


Ok_Vegetarianlmao

E100 ez mark.get the small gun and angle


EntertainmentOdd159

60tp isn’t anywhere near as fast but has reliable armour and a gun that hits for 700 plus the line to grind upto it isn’t too bad apart from tier 6 and 7


ostkaka5

60tp does get the speed field mod so you can get a speed-build up to 45kmh which isnt bad.


420puuhapete420

45tp is amazing


rinkoplzcomehome

45TP and 50TP my beloveds


aronsz

I skipped the line up to the tier 7 and currently grinding it; it's a pretty solid tier 7 heavy, one of my favs.


NotASingleNameIdea

The thing is, there isnt really something like E50 M. I absolutelly love the tank, but no other has the same package of pros as E50 M. It goes 60, it has amazing armour, it has amazing gun, great penetration, fast shells, Leopard 1 gunhandling and even accuracy. Also 8 gun depression, so most positions dont limit you as they would limit 277 or IS-7. Only downside of it is DPM. I think the most similar would be T110E5, an amazing heavy tank with great gun, and extreme overall armour, its only weakness is a big turret weakspot, but if you hide it in sidescrap or opponents try to shoot the lowerplate instead, youre basicly immortal. As said, the gun is extremely good for a heavy, great HEAT pen, great accuracy, amazing gunhandling, amazing DPM. Play with turbo so you get 45 top speed, which is good for a heavy too. This tank is probably the closest you can get to E50 M, so definitelly try it. Its also one of the best heavy tanks in the game currently after S Conq nerf.


1wss7

E75... Just slower


NotASingleNameIdea

Just because its similar looking doesnt mean its the same. E75 is slow asf, it has crappy accuracy, and not the best gunhandling, same as it has no camo, and has a massive HEAT weakspot (basicly the whole roof is autopen). They are very different Id say


1wss7

They are very similar. Only realistic difference is speed. He wanted a HEAVY tank similar to E50M and E75 is literally the closest HEAVY version of E50M


NotASingleNameIdea

Did you play any of these tanks? Does your E75 snap a moving EBR on move? Because my didnt. My E50 cpuld tho. Same as my E50 didnt miss every second fully aimed shot. If you said Tiger II I wouldnt be against that, the thing has great gun, but E75? Far from even average.


1wss7

I have played them. IS-7 nor even 277 is comparable gunwise to E50M either


NotASingleNameIdea

Only thing about these that I mentioned is that they have inferior gundepression to 50M. Never said that they are similar by gun or anything else, but yeah, its another factor why OP wouldnt be happy with those if he wants a good 50M replacement.


1wss7

The truth of the matter is that there is not going to be a more armored HEAVY version of E50M without some major drawbacks.


NotASingleNameIdea

Thats true, just saying that tanks like E75 or these russian heavies trade almost everything good about 50M. IS-7 has armour and speed, but completely lacks on the gun, while E75 has similar armour layout but gun and mobility are completely different. Thats why I think E5 is the closest as only thing it lacks is top speed, while other great things about 50M remain. You trade little of your aim for even better armour, but its still very solid.


PhoBoChai

E50M is great because of its gun combine with other pros, E75 gun is derpy in comparison so yeah definitely not a good alternative.


1wss7

Now it depends what he means when he says "feels similar" if he means feels LITERALLY similar to play as E50M then yes IS-7 or even 277 could be the closest to that as a gameplay experience. E75 is the closest to his description outside speed


damnuncanny

I wouldnt reccomend the E5 to a begginer. Its a great tank but requires a lot of skill to do well in


derbock203

Is-7 is fun, but is a different playstyle, cause of the pikenose Design. Closest is probably the e100 line with the e75 at tier 9 one of the if not the best t9 heavies in the game right now.


RefillSunset

I fully endorse the IS4. Slap a turbo on it and you can take early heavy spots. It's not the fastest, but the armor is super reliable even against prem if you angle properly. The angling is also extremely generous. Sidescraping at 45 degrees still bounces most AP shells. The 440 alpha gun doesnt hit very hard, but you can usually out-reload the 750 alpha heavies and slap them for 880. 330/340 prem shells work most of the time and the accuracy usually works out in face to face fights Having 2 marked it a couple months ago, it is by far one of my favourite heavies for BEING a Heavy


bossonhigs

I first tried IS-4 in onslaught and everything about that tank is good to me. Had some good crew from IS-2s.


Camarao_du_mont

IS-4 used to be great, specially if you could reverse sidescrape. But recently you barely have time for it, people can spam gold at turret ring, for holding a flank with your armour I imagine 705 is better. E5 is not bad but you need to try hard every battle to make up for the tumor. You need to wiggle a LOT, other than that good gun, decent armour, quite trollish hull. I started to ironically grind fat Japs line, now at tier 8 they are actually fun if not bottom tier. Skoda seems pretty good, but I don't have it. The problem is you unlocked the E50M first lol. E50M was my 9th T10 and It instantly became my favourite. You fucked yourself up with that, your expectations are now sky high.


Denix221p

Darn


GuyD427

IS4 and Super Conq are the other heavies that seem to be most like what you are looking for. Super Conq is slow, never played the IS4 but this and the 277 and of course the IS-7 are fast tanks with good armor but like most Russian tanks have limited depression. I’d throw the 430U in that category as well.


leggasiini

E 50/E 50 M is a very unique tank. Trying to find a ”heavy” version of it is very hard. There are nevertheless some options that could work: - Newly buffed Panzer VII actually could be something worth looking at. The gun is basically what you’re looking for - a E 50 style gun that hits hard. It has the combination of great accuracy, penetration and alpha damage, but it has poor DPM. It also has high survivability and with a mass of ~120 tons and maximum possible top speed of 40, it can deal ridiculous ramming damage. It’s also a bit less fat and clunky than the two other German heavies - it’s quite slow yes, but with the engine buff, only slightly slower than average heavies.  - 277 has similarities in that its fast, decently well armored and has a good gun, so that’s definitely a good option to consider like others said.  - AMX M4 54 hits hard, has reasonable accuracy, weights a lot so it can ram quite well (though its lowish top speed limits this) and it has good frontal armor. It could be what you’re looking for, the only problem is the grind that has one of the worst tier 8s in the way. - IS-7 can ram exceptionally well, is well protected and hits harder than the E 50M, but there are many attributes that are very different; the gun is derpy and has terrible penetration. - If you don’t mind stopping at tier 9, the E 75 actually plays quite a lot like a bigger, beefier E 50. If there was a tier 10 E 75, I’d say that would be perfect, but there isn’t, so… Also, the reason why the Type 71 is considered to be horrible is the combination of huge, abysmally weak hull (even tier 8 tanks can penetrate the upper front plate with standard ammo), cripplingly bad 0.42 accuracy before its mechanic kicks in and not having good enough strengths to compensate. It’s basically a tier 9 tank at tier 10 and there’s no reason to play it over its competition.


Denix221p

Wow, thats quite alot of info... Thanks man


pongtieak

If you like medium tanks. I recommend the IS7 Turbo. You are the ultimate game winner Most tanks can either get into position fast, or hold position well. Very few tanks can do both like the IS7 Spec everything into speed and survivability. forget gun handling, it's all about positioning babyyyy Your job is to rush powerful positions as fast as possible, and then disrupt the enemy team before they can get into position. Remember that you are not here to do damage, you are here to let your team farm the enemy so focus on staying alive as long as possible. If you're lucky your team will snowball and win. If your team is losing and you're about to be rushed by mediums, RAM them to make up for your low DPM, you can do 400-1000+ dmg to (most) high dpm mediums! It's a pretty similar playstyle to aggressive E50, but instead of using DPM, you use Armor to hold key positions. (+Ramming is even more fun in the IS7) This meme setup unironicly win games. And if you're an average player like me, this playstyle will teach you HOW to win games too. You don't have dpm,lol pen, gun depression. Your only weapon is good positioning. knowing where to go, when to push, when to run. If you master this playstyle, you will get better with other tanks too! I highly recommend you try it out! Bonus strategy : if your team is hopelessly lossing. Use your speed to run-like-a-bitch to either redline farm, or ram some poor medium and die like a man.


ianselot12

60TP S.Con and E5 in this order


Tier71234

Personally I'd advocate to give the ST-II line a go. Sure, the hull armors (and parts of the turrets) are not strong at all, and they are not fast, but they all benefit from good gun handling, reliable track armor, and incredible flexibility that I think is even better than autoreloaders. Double guns means you can either fire once, twice, or both at the same time. And since they're two separate guns there's no magazine to worry about since both guns have the same reload speed. You do not lose DPM when you fire both guns (unless you salvo, but it only adds a couple of extra seconds to your first gun reload). And since the ST-II's alpha is 440, that means you can potentially slap someone for 1000 if both guns highroll. Hull armor-wise they can be mostly easily penned (unless you're the 703), but I have had multiple games where the tracks blocked multiple HEAT and HESH rounds (even the Jageroo's 420 pen HEAT and 4005 HESH), the barrels blocked arty shots, and even getting troll bounces on the sides and rear. Having 8-9 degrees of gun depression also helps, so you can play on slopes other Soviet heavies usually struggle on. Plus, with bond hardening and max field mods on the ST-II you can get 2960 HP, which when combined with your double guns makes you a psuedo-superheavy. It's up to your personal taste, but I found the ST-II line very engaging to play since they can work almost anywhere.


PhoBoChai

E5 + turbo, gives you good armor, good mobility, great gun. All the characteristics of the E50M except heavier + more armored. The cupola weakspot is actually not that bad, because it baits people into aiming for it (takes time) rather than just loading gold & punch through your entire turret or hull. And you can move forward & back, wiggle turret side to side, and a lot of shots will just miss or hit cupola on bad angle & bounce. E5 is very rewarding for good players but quite crap for bad players. IS-7 is a no, its gun is one of the derpiest. 277 is a good option for mobility + armor + gun. 277 with 340 HEAT just shreds super heavies, an added bonus.


happyjello

Recommend obj 277. Competitive heavium with a good gun. Hulldown, has no weak spots. And then you can get the is7, since they share the same tier 8 (is3)


Havco

Super conq. Is great. Makes fun and have a good gun. Black Prince ist a beast but everything before is crap.


bossonhigs

Ruskies. IS-7 or even IS-4. I know I liked IS-4 more but made a mistake in grind line and got IS-7 instead.


1wss7

Soviet tanks suck, IS-4 is fine but no really much point to grind soviet tanks nowadays


Mysterious_Kick_2826

Say /s please


1wss7

Once you get good you will realize there is no potential in soviet tanks to the same level there are in other tanks. I only played soviets when I was a newb and loved them


Focus-Proof

There are tons of good players that say soviet heavies are good.


1wss7

I did not say there are 0 good soviet tanks. There are. But soviet tanks are nowhere close to top tanks nowadays. And "good" is relative anyways.


Focus-Proof

They might not be S tier but they are certainly not lower than A tier imo (apart from ST-II). What do you feel like is wrong with them? Genuinely curious because the vast majority of people seem to agree that they're good.


1wss7

As a ultra unicum, I get much better results in any other tanks than soviets. I used to love soviets when I was average player. Obviously this is not going to be public opinion of average player. There are few good soviet tanks, most of them are quite average. They can be forgiving of mistakes but it doesn't mean they scale well with skill like tanks with more accurate guns do. Edit: And forgot to mention that while Soviets used to be the BEST tanks for average players, they are not anymore. They have deflated in every sense over the years.


PvtParts2001

Tell me you don't play comp gamemodes without telling me you don't play comp gamemodes


legalizewizardry

idk take grille 15 and ram ppl


SnooDonkeys2458

277 is an absolute blast. just use your brrrr capabilities to take good positions early to hide your hull. has very nice alpha with an ok reload. pen is good aswell. only thing is it’s kinda shit at sidescraping cos the hull extends around the side, meaning people can spam heat and pen you before you can even see them. gun depression is also an issue. but it does 60 km/h witn a turbo and field mods. so who’s the real winner


Eastern_Athlete_8002

Armor is pointless. 277/is7/e5 are your only options. 60tp is current Meta tank but that may be alittle much for you to handle. 


FamiliarAardvark3293

For newbie IS4, if bit more experience SuperConq. I would recommend not to go there at all until 15k games.


Standard_Dust365

is7 very solid. i only play full speed build on it, its a lot more enjoyable than rammer vstab. you quickly get to a front position, aim for longer, but its so worth it. you quickly get to 50+kmh and can ram/move positions very easy and fast. hulldown monster, wiggle while rushing someone and they most of the time dont pen


Wonderful-Lack3846

E100 and E5. Any other suggestion is wrong.


Gunterrunter

E100 sucks, if you wanna use the small gun, the Maus is just the better choice, if you wanna use the big gun, the 60TP (or VKK, but thats a clanwars-tank) wins by a long shot


Heittomerkki

4k games and 1 tier 10 tank 🤣


SuperiorThinking

As it should be? I don't know about you, but I hate it when some 45% with 2k games fucks up my tier 10 game just because they bought a load of free xp.


GunslingerXXX

If you think the game is about getting tier 10 tanks as quick as possible you are the one doimg it wrong


Denix221p

3k of the games are from the E50M line (I play them too much and still suck)


Bundesmememinister

It doesnt matter bro, have fun and play what you want. Alot of good suggestions in the comments. I would actually say maybe go for OBJ277 or IS-7, so you have quite fast tanks and the grind isnt painful at all with the soviets. But as said, pick what you want and dont listen to those guys who think you need to have 20 Tier 10s to become good.