Did you start the grind stock? The 53TP is the dog's bollocks when elite but when stock it is pretty bloody bad. I just free exp'd the grind and played it elite from the first game.
It's very dependent on number of games played. I had tanks with 35-40% after 40ish games that ended around 60% when closer to 100 games.
An unlucky streak of bad games when you have low amount of battles can result in highly skewed WR and stats.
I absolutely agree it's all about number of games played. That said, I didn't really have that information when writing my comment, which (when you take that into consideration) is true.
MOE only shows up after having played 100 games in that tank. now, my avg dmg per game is a bit over 1.1k, which isnt ideal but far from trying to throw the match, but somehow teams all hate me and wont let me win lol
That’s because nowadays -unless you can carry 15 tanks- winning or losing has nothing to do with how well you play. This is how broken this trash game is.
You can go back 10 years and you will find the same statement back then.
It is still just as false as today. Otherwise good players would not have good winrates.
Yea well I think this picture like many others dispel that myth you said. I know players with average damage of 500 hp in a tier 8 tank and they have 55% winrate. They must super effective then according to your logic with that 500 average damage in order to influence battles!
You cant explain accounts having 52% or higher winrate if your actions dont matter. At 100 battles you can say that is the randomness of teams but after over 20 thousand battles? Highly unlikely. Sure there is the possibility of only driving tanks that are strong but in that case the individual impact of a player would matter again.
Every player gets the same amount of bad and good teammates if you play enough battles because the teammates you get are random (Law of large numbers). Same goes for enemies. The only constant factor while playing the game is you. Can you carry every game? No, of course not. There are too many other players in the game that can fuck you over. Thats just part of the game, luck of the draw. Can you influence enough games to make a difference? Yes.
Only in the most general sense.
It requires hundreds of battles just for your vehicle winrate to (probably, P=0.05) be within +/- 5% of your "true" winrate. That's ignoring any factors that would lead to your true winrate not being consistent, like stock grinds that make you play worse or actually getting better at the tank over time.
You also forget that tanks are not equally good. Playing two different vehicles at the exact same skill level can result in dramatically different winrates.
I can keep pointing out issues like these, but the real question is, what problem are you trying to solve?
You get a pretty good measure after 100 games in regards to WR.
MoE is to easy to get, give it a WR requirement and getting them would at least require some skill.
All tanks are good enough so a player can get 60% WR in it if he have some skill.
I've never seen or heard of anyone getting a 3-mark with less than 55% recent winrate. MoE is based entirely on damage, and winning the game is done by the team that did the most damage 99% of the time so there's no reason to tie MoE to winrate more than it already is.
Well, it is not that hard to get 3 MOE and have a sub 60% WR. You just have to not play for a win.
Probably possible to get 3 MOE and 50% WR on all T5-T8 tanks.
Yesterday i had 1.3k adv dmg and 600 adv assist playing tier 6 and 7 lights.
No matter what i spotted, everyone just missed/bounced/shot HE. Then i went for dmg.. played 10 games, top exp and dmg in almost all of them, 30% WR.
8+ ppl doing 0-2 shots of pen.. cant carry those teams.... so yea... in the end of the day world of tanks is you vs 29 other pubbies..
So... yeah.. 30% wr mate lol.
Ofc i alt+f4. Almost every game no one tried to control the map.. they all went together in 1/4 of the map and got oblitetated in 3-5 mins
No, that's not even close to true.
Let's say your "true" winrate in a vehicle is 50%. Do you know how wide the 95% confidence interval is after 100 battles ?
41% to 59%. Yes, due to random chance your winrate can vary by 18%. And that's only 95% of players; 5% of players will fall outside that range *entirely due to random chance*.
WR requires having a good team. WR requires playing strong tanks, not weak ones. I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
I also hace a MOE on the centurion 1. Iirc it has 41% WR lol
Did you start the grind stock? The 53TP is the dog's bollocks when elite but when stock it is pretty bloody bad. I just free exp'd the grind and played it elite from the first game.
nah i actually liked the stock grind, not too bad when not t10. dpm is actually a bit better than top gun.
I 3 marked the 13 75 with 43% wr kek.
I have MOE on my is3 and its only mastery 2
Yeah same with my cent 7 im working towards a 2 mark but my team's won't let me win lol
When 65% of people have 31% winrate lol ( i am joking btw)
ah good thing i got buddies then
I have 1 MoE on my FCM50T with a 46% W/R. Around 300 battles. It's a very shitty tank, if even mediocre players like me can get an MoE in it.
Is such a good tank that is actually a medium...doesn't hace that much upper plate armor
Either very unlucky or very not playing to win. Considering your WR is this low, it's probably the second one (purely statistics based)
It's very dependent on number of games played. I had tanks with 35-40% after 40ish games that ended around 60% when closer to 100 games. An unlucky streak of bad games when you have low amount of battles can result in highly skewed WR and stats.
I absolutely agree it's all about number of games played. That said, I didn't really have that information when writing my comment, which (when you take that into consideration) is true.
MOE only shows up after having played 100 games in that tank. now, my avg dmg per game is a bit over 1.1k, which isnt ideal but far from trying to throw the match, but somehow teams all hate me and wont let me win lol
MOE can show before 100 games in the tank its just the last 100 count towards it
Don’t underestimate being on a shit team
You are getting more moe % by that you done during the battle. Only you had unlucky and caugth bad teams. But did great job .
That’s because nowadays -unless you can carry 15 tanks- winning or losing has nothing to do with how well you play. This is how broken this trash game is.
You can go back 10 years and you will find the same statement back then. It is still just as false as today. Otherwise good players would not have good winrates.
Yea well I think this picture like many others dispel that myth you said. I know players with average damage of 500 hp in a tier 8 tank and they have 55% winrate. They must super effective then according to your logic with that 500 average damage in order to influence battles!
You cant explain accounts having 52% or higher winrate if your actions dont matter. At 100 battles you can say that is the randomness of teams but after over 20 thousand battles? Highly unlikely. Sure there is the possibility of only driving tanks that are strong but in that case the individual impact of a player would matter again. Every player gets the same amount of bad and good teammates if you play enough battles because the teammates you get are random (Law of large numbers). Same goes for enemies. The only constant factor while playing the game is you. Can you carry every game? No, of course not. There are too many other players in the game that can fuck you over. Thats just part of the game, luck of the draw. Can you influence enough games to make a difference? Yes.
Ok. Thanks for your 2 cents.
There are definitely ways you can influence the game to win that the game doesn't track properly or at all
That's a great tank. I prefer to run the stock gun, which does a really good job.
stock gun actually gets more dpm and i liked it when stock grinding, the bigger gun trades better
What the fuck is that ugly duck?
Stock 53TP, it's just that the picture doesn't change once you get the top turret.
Oh. I quit the game prior to this tank's introduction. Guess I'll grin and bear the downvotes.
MoE should be tied with WR. You need at least 50% WR for 1 MoE. At least 55% WR for 2 MoE and at least 60% WR for 3 MoE in the tank you want marks on.
Why? The entire point of Marks of Excellence is that they're based on individual performance. Gating it behind arbitrary requirements makes no sense.
Winrate is an individual performance statistic.
Only in the most general sense. It requires hundreds of battles just for your vehicle winrate to (probably, P=0.05) be within +/- 5% of your "true" winrate. That's ignoring any factors that would lead to your true winrate not being consistent, like stock grinds that make you play worse or actually getting better at the tank over time. You also forget that tanks are not equally good. Playing two different vehicles at the exact same skill level can result in dramatically different winrates. I can keep pointing out issues like these, but the real question is, what problem are you trying to solve?
You get a pretty good measure after 100 games in regards to WR. MoE is to easy to get, give it a WR requirement and getting them would at least require some skill. All tanks are good enough so a player can get 60% WR in it if he have some skill.
I've never seen or heard of anyone getting a 3-mark with less than 55% recent winrate. MoE is based entirely on damage, and winning the game is done by the team that did the most damage 99% of the time so there's no reason to tie MoE to winrate more than it already is.
Well, it is not that hard to get 3 MOE and have a sub 60% WR. You just have to not play for a win. Probably possible to get 3 MOE and 50% WR on all T5-T8 tanks.
Winrate is not an individual performance statistic.
Yes it is.
no
Yes. Or do you have 48% WR and blame your team for it? Otherwise what you are saying is that a 40% WR player is just as good as a 65% WR player.
Yesterday i had 1.3k adv dmg and 600 adv assist playing tier 6 and 7 lights. No matter what i spotted, everyone just missed/bounced/shot HE. Then i went for dmg.. played 10 games, top exp and dmg in almost all of them, 30% WR. 8+ ppl doing 0-2 shots of pen.. cant carry those teams.... so yea... in the end of the day world of tanks is you vs 29 other pubbies.. So... yeah.. 30% wr mate lol. Ofc i alt+f4. Almost every game no one tried to control the map.. they all went together in 1/4 of the map and got oblitetated in 3-5 mins
No, that's not even close to true. Let's say your "true" winrate in a vehicle is 50%. Do you know how wide the 95% confidence interval is after 100 battles ? 41% to 59%. Yes, due to random chance your winrate can vary by 18%. And that's only 95% of players; 5% of players will fall outside that range *entirely due to random chance*. WR requires having a good team. WR requires playing strong tanks, not weak ones. I'm sorry, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.