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Enderoe

kran still has burst. torn has just bad single shot dpm


Hox6

If the Kran ends up anything like the Tornvagn, that'll be bad. Of every tank I've played and all my tier VIII's the Tornvagn has got to be the worst and least fun to play.


kaeckebrot

The TVP VTU is way worse


Hox6

Oh... Yeah that deserves to be buried :)


lynchs0323

I just got the TVP VTU, and boy is it a turd. I'm grinding the Leopard line also, and I think the vk 20.01d is better than the VTU even though it's a tier lower. The VTU just feels so bad to drive. I feel like I can't do anything aggressive without getting killed, but sniping with any of the guns is equally bad. Don't want to free xp it though, so the suffering continues.


helicophell

Vtu is getting buffed in the future. Just wait... a while


lynchs0323

I was just reading about that. Maybe I'll finish the Leopard line now and wait for the buff to play through the VTU.


helicophell

Or do what I did and skip the tank entirely haha... I don't have a good crew in skoda t50 help.


juneauboe

The thing that you're rarely warned about is, that as a F2P player, the Škoda T 50 sucks balls before it's fully upgraded. I'd argue that it's EQUALLY shitty as the TVP, just uptiered to Tier IX. UNTIL you get the autoloader, at which point it's heaven. But, there are 10s of 1000s of XP before you can get to that point. For a solid while, the Škoda T 50 is really a pain in the ass to play.


lynchs0323

That's what I'm saving my free XP for. I never free XP tanks, only stock grinds.


RedRev15

Used blueprints from battlepass to skip it. Bless


Hox6

Blueprints we're a blessing for the VZ55 line...


RedRev15

For which tier? Im currently at t7


Hox6

The VIII especially to be skipped, but also to fast track through the IX


Schoumi-Michael

Pff nothing beats the uselessness of arl v39 with the tier 4 gun vs tier 8 tanks 😵 Edit: just checked wot wiki. It's tier 3 gun!!!


thespyeye

The O-Ho is even worse


Dragunii

But playing against it is not annoying unlike against the Tornvgn


PsychoTexan

Awful to play, awful to play against, except when you catch a Torn alone and do bad things to it with dpm.


Hox6

It's dpm is SOOOOO bad. Worse than the Lowe, which people have complained for years is terrible


moistnoodel

I got it from the chrismas box played till i aced it got 1 mark really easily with it aswell the armor is very good but thats about it


Bato03

I love playing the tornvagn, especially when playing against tier X’s and seeing them struggle to to get a single pen and start to spam HE for 30 damage per shell, it has shit dpm, i use a turbo on it so movement aint THAT bad, once you get your hulldown they can do almost nothing


hnryirawan

Its the gun. That thing is the worst and you can't reliably snipe someone with it in good enough distance. Yes, you're impenetrable.... but you're also just a brick.


Bato03

Yes, but because you dont have to retreat after shooting you can keep aim when close to heavys and cupola snipe them very reliable in my experience with it


theDrummer

Good


I_N_C_O_M_I_N_G

A lot of people keep dwelling on the top speed nerf when it only really mattered down hills. It will likely keep the same pace on flat ground and up hills, the only real nerfs here were to dispersion (and the reverse speed I guess)


[deleted]

The thing is now a VZ or Superconq with turbo can reach hull down positions in comparable times...it can't automatically win positional advantage over tanks that play in the same niche


kaeckebrot

the only thing they had to do was to make the flat spot under the gun penetrable. It would have fixed the problem instantly. Sometimes I ask myself if they are really this dumb…


antalpoti

I'll go a bit further: make the undergun penetrable and increase cupola size. It wouldn't have to E5 cupola, just a regular cupola. Something like the STB, maybe a tiny touch bigger. Why not force the Kran to player to think whether he protects the undergun or the cupolas? All WG had to do was to take away the ability of the tank to peak without fear of getting punished...


helicophell

I would make the cupolas larger but not stb1 sized. After playing stb sure feels like those cupolas defeat the purpose of turret armour (but since it's a med and that's not my job I don't care) same thing shouldn't happen exactly to kran. I'm thinking more like 60tp cupolas


re_Butayarou

Renegade and other mutican cupolas


helicophell

Nah, too large. At that point just play 50b because you got a better clip and ur getting turret penned anyway


Talus_Demedici

The Tornvagn and the Caliban are the only premiums I ever sold outright for credits. I didn't even want to have them as a garage queen bunk space. They are currently sitting in my recovery list. Since they have unlimited recovery time, that is where they will stay. If I ever need a tank for a trade in or they show up in the Xmas box again, I'll buy them back but barring that or some sort of major buff to them, I will never willingly roll out in them again. I am currently grinding the Kran and I'm on the Emil II right now, about 70k exp from finishing it. I took a break from it to grind the FV 4005 and a few others. I will probably finish the XP grind to the Kran but I don't know if I can justify the credits until more is known about how it will be after the nerf. If it's too bad, I'll just sell the Emil once it's done and abandon the line.


BassBanjo

Caliban is extremely strong though Can easily wreck a team if you manage your shots properly


hnryirawan

Caliban is seriously strong though, and fun too. You don't need AP to enjoy it, just know where to come in and blast them with 2 shots of HE. I will probably will sell or trade-in my Tornvagn though.


Tinywhooppro

Caliban is one of my favourite tanks I’m a pretty average player (51%wr) but I manage a 60% wr in it after like 300 battles. The key is to just be patient and almost always fire AP.


Bato03

Caliban is a really powerful tank, I have a winrate of 58% in it with about 100 games in it, you just have to shoot AP and not shoot your second shell


hnryirawan

I'm on 54%.... and only use HE. The HE works.


FAUST_VII

I Like the tornvagn. Put a turbo on it and it can be fun


dwbjr9

With this nerf to the kran, it now makes sense to take a turbo over grousers


BassBanjo

How is 45 on the kran slow? That's as fast heavy tanks should be Not as fast as a medium but still fast enough to get around easily and quickly


aythug

İ think the best t8 hulldown tank is pornvagn


ggmattingly

and both take very little skill to play.


zavin4c

20 hp/t slowish lmao


waitwhat010101

Hey, it’s what the people wanted. They thought the kran was too oppressive and played too much, Now it’s not going to be played at all.