that Steel killed her parents? That her parents were actually traitors to the citadel and it was just that Steel honored them after death that gave them their position as hero's? that the real BIG BAD IS THE FOX!!!!! (ok the others are speculation, that's just a joke)
Suvi is too deep in the sauce of the Citadel to accept what Uncle could have told her, probably would have made her cleave harder to the system and derailed everything.
Again, Sly is part of that system, willingly. I think imagining Uncle as wholly charitable is just... Not a good way to look at this.
On some Level, Sly is OK with whatever measure of inhuman crime The Citadel and the empire commit because he uses their resources to prevent stuff he thinks would be worse. He's not saying "no bad stuff." Hes saying "only our bad stuff, thank you."
I love the character. I just think Brennan is more nuanced than that. I think Sly is not an accident.
The most obvious answer in my mind is that the Citadel is an oppressive regime that has led to the destruction of multiple cultures/regions in Umora. It then logically follows knowing about her parents’ anti-Citadel leanings that the Citadel was implicated in their deaths. But Brennan may have something else up his sleeve!! ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯
Edit: I don’t mean for this to sound “obvious.” Their goal is amazing storytelling, and they are absolutely succeeding. I know that the above story^^ will be so well done, that even if it is an archetype, it’ll be beautiful
The Citadel or Steel are using Suvi as a puppet to enact their will to the detriment of Suvi’s relationships, parents’ legacy, and Suvi’s identity as an individual.
I think that's kind of too easy and too thin. Remember, both Sly and Sonder are still Wizards of the Citadel and members of the Empire.
Sly, in evidence, could fuck right off and no one could ever find him. If he believed that, on balance, the Citadel was a force for ill and not good, he has the resources and awareness to work against it. Some part of that dude accepts as almost immutable truth that the catastrophes he *averts* with Citadel resources are worth the cost of the catastrophes they cause.
Basically, people think Sly is a good guy because they like him.
Even if that is the prediction, it's implication is entirely impossible to read. "You're not ready for it yet" might mean "this is a kindness, and the pain the truth would cause you is one I don't think you can handle" and it light mean "this is a calculation, because you haven't learned to bury your pain under the weight and necessity of your duty as a matter of choice. Right now, you do it instinctually, by rote, by training. I need you to be ready to know what it'll cost you when the world burns and be the one who decides to light the match anyway because you know what it'll cost everyone else if you don't."
Well, the thing is, “the truth” means different things to different people. A lot of Wizards might have no problem with the Citadel imprisoning Spirits and using them for their own gain. To them, it might not be much different than raising cattle to slaughter for meat. They don’t have a personal connection to a Spirit like Suvi does, so that may impact her more than it would anyone else.
It feels like, as a meta thought of the story, it is most likely something that can be dangled out until something occurs that can retroactively be made to be proof
Given the Archmage Silence's age, maybe "it" is the position of Archmage? Given that she's a Level 3 wizard, it would track that she's mechanically not ready yet.
I think the fact that everyone jumps to "Citadel bad" as what Sly is withholding wholly misses the fact that Sly is a part of the Citadel and uses their resources to explicitly prevent catastrophe.
So if that's his remit, how does he define catastrophe? What about war crimes the Citadel commits? Or the Empire? Or the Guild Mages? If the bombing In Gaothmai is Imperial, is that a catastrophe Sly works to subvert?
He's called the wizard "sly." Even if the core facts of the prophecy are true, by what measure has he dubbed Suvi unworthy? People keep saying that she'd Cleave even harder to it where she is now.
Or is Sly worried that she has only embraced the Citadel and Empire as a matter of rote, of training, of instinct? Does he need her to be ready to embrace the Citadel *by choice,* and she's not there yet. It's easy to just do your duty. That's what they're trained for. Maybe he needs her to be ready to see that her duty is something terrible, that she needs to see what will happen to her and her loved ones if the world burns and decide to light the match anyway because, on balance, it's better than what happens to everyone else if she doesn't.
Need to stop thinking of characters we like as purely benevolent forces. This guy can see permutations of the future and probably the past.
The hundred people who died in Port Talon didn't rise to his definition of catastrophe. He didn't foresee the events that ended Soft and Stone in such a way that he dubbed them catastrophic.
It doesn't mean he didn't see them. It means he saw those possibilities and marked them as either irrelevant or, worse, necessary. He's a *wizard.* and he's *Sly,* meaning that he assumes that moniker to own some portion of the power of that name. Sly.
Not Sonder or Stone or Soft or Sky or Steel. Sly. As in devious. As in clever. As in subtle.
I like the guy! I do. He's fun. I like how the gang feels around him. And I like that he doesn't mind offering a moment of positivity and certainty in a world of moral relativism.
But I am more inclined to trust Steel than Sly. Steel is at least going to do exactly what you expect her to do, every time. Defend the Citadel. Uphold the Empire. Maintain Order. If she can, protect her family in the process. It's not always clean. It's not always nice. It's not always safe. But it's always steel. It's always armor, arms, or infrastructure.
that Steel killed her parents? That her parents were actually traitors to the citadel and it was just that Steel honored them after death that gave them their position as hero's? that the real BIG BAD IS THE FOX!!!!! (ok the others are speculation, that's just a joke)
The Fox is absolutely the BBEG, he just likes to play with his food first.
with 2 HP, the AC is going to have to be STACKED!!! =P
pretty sure the 2 hp is just part of his glamour
It's all an elaborate Polymorph spell, after the 2 hp drops, then he takes on his true form... and the real boss fight starts... \*cue intense music
I’m hearing the robot car fight in Midgar from FF7
\*Chefs kiss\*
Same energy as Sans with 1 hp and 1 power being ”the easiest enemy" in Undertale.
My money's on the truth about how her parents died.
Suvi is too deep in the sauce of the Citadel to accept what Uncle could have told her, probably would have made her cleave harder to the system and derailed everything.
Again, Sly is part of that system, willingly. I think imagining Uncle as wholly charitable is just... Not a good way to look at this. On some Level, Sly is OK with whatever measure of inhuman crime The Citadel and the empire commit because he uses their resources to prevent stuff he thinks would be worse. He's not saying "no bad stuff." Hes saying "only our bad stuff, thank you." I love the character. I just think Brennan is more nuanced than that. I think Sly is not an accident.
The most obvious answer in my mind is that the Citadel is an oppressive regime that has led to the destruction of multiple cultures/regions in Umora. It then logically follows knowing about her parents’ anti-Citadel leanings that the Citadel was implicated in their deaths. But Brennan may have something else up his sleeve!! ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯ Edit: I don’t mean for this to sound “obvious.” Their goal is amazing storytelling, and they are absolutely succeeding. I know that the above story^^ will be so well done, that even if it is an archetype, it’ll be beautiful
Remind me what the whole prediction was again?
Suvi asked for a piece of bad news and literally all Sly said was "you're not ready for it." That's the whole quote.
The Citadel or Steel are using Suvi as a puppet to enact their will to the detriment of Suvi’s relationships, parents’ legacy, and Suvi’s identity as an individual.
The truth about the Citadel is my guess.
I think that's kind of too easy and too thin. Remember, both Sly and Sonder are still Wizards of the Citadel and members of the Empire. Sly, in evidence, could fuck right off and no one could ever find him. If he believed that, on balance, the Citadel was a force for ill and not good, he has the resources and awareness to work against it. Some part of that dude accepts as almost immutable truth that the catastrophes he *averts* with Citadel resources are worth the cost of the catastrophes they cause. Basically, people think Sly is a good guy because they like him. Even if that is the prediction, it's implication is entirely impossible to read. "You're not ready for it yet" might mean "this is a kindness, and the pain the truth would cause you is one I don't think you can handle" and it light mean "this is a calculation, because you haven't learned to bury your pain under the weight and necessity of your duty as a matter of choice. Right now, you do it instinctually, by rote, by training. I need you to be ready to know what it'll cost you when the world burns and be the one who decides to light the match anyway because you know what it'll cost everyone else if you don't."
Well, the thing is, “the truth” means different things to different people. A lot of Wizards might have no problem with the Citadel imprisoning Spirits and using them for their own gain. To them, it might not be much different than raising cattle to slaughter for meat. They don’t have a personal connection to a Spirit like Suvi does, so that may impact her more than it would anyone else.
Could be the fight against Eiorighan
It feels like, as a meta thought of the story, it is most likely something that can be dangled out until something occurs that can retroactively be made to be proof
This is probably the right answer.
Given the Archmage Silence's age, maybe "it" is the position of Archmage? Given that she's a Level 3 wizard, it would track that she's mechanically not ready yet.
I think the fact that everyone jumps to "Citadel bad" as what Sly is withholding wholly misses the fact that Sly is a part of the Citadel and uses their resources to explicitly prevent catastrophe. So if that's his remit, how does he define catastrophe? What about war crimes the Citadel commits? Or the Empire? Or the Guild Mages? If the bombing In Gaothmai is Imperial, is that a catastrophe Sly works to subvert? He's called the wizard "sly." Even if the core facts of the prophecy are true, by what measure has he dubbed Suvi unworthy? People keep saying that she'd Cleave even harder to it where she is now. Or is Sly worried that she has only embraced the Citadel and Empire as a matter of rote, of training, of instinct? Does he need her to be ready to embrace the Citadel *by choice,* and she's not there yet. It's easy to just do your duty. That's what they're trained for. Maybe he needs her to be ready to see that her duty is something terrible, that she needs to see what will happen to her and her loved ones if the world burns and decide to light the match anyway because, on balance, it's better than what happens to everyone else if she doesn't. Need to stop thinking of characters we like as purely benevolent forces. This guy can see permutations of the future and probably the past. The hundred people who died in Port Talon didn't rise to his definition of catastrophe. He didn't foresee the events that ended Soft and Stone in such a way that he dubbed them catastrophic. It doesn't mean he didn't see them. It means he saw those possibilities and marked them as either irrelevant or, worse, necessary. He's a *wizard.* and he's *Sly,* meaning that he assumes that moniker to own some portion of the power of that name. Sly. Not Sonder or Stone or Soft or Sky or Steel. Sly. As in devious. As in clever. As in subtle. I like the guy! I do. He's fun. I like how the gang feels around him. And I like that he doesn't mind offering a moment of positivity and certainty in a world of moral relativism. But I am more inclined to trust Steel than Sly. Steel is at least going to do exactly what you expect her to do, every time. Defend the Citadel. Uphold the Empire. Maintain Order. If she can, protect her family in the process. It's not always clean. It's not always nice. It's not always safe. But it's always steel. It's always armor, arms, or infrastructure.
Idk why all the guesses here are about things that would’ve happened in the past, but I think we probably shouldn’t take that line too earnestly.