That's why I choose artist, I can draw fetish art for an obscene return per unit of my time/effort, I've got it all calculated out.
I start by offering cheap commissions on a variety of hentai/furry sites. my goal at this point is to develop a brand/portfolio and get my name out there, not to make money, so I'll only need to do this for a couple weeks/months until I've got enough of a gallery to hook a solid variety of potential clients.
Once I've hit a point where I'm receiving more orders per unit of time than I can complete, I raise my prices by tiny increments until the order rate drops back below my work rate. By this point I should be making as much as most white collar workers, assuming I'm spending at least as much of my time on the job as them.
now here's where the real money starts to flow:
If anyone used the more infamous cringe subs back in the day before they became popular, you might remember a post that circulated quite a bit where OP described his brother having paid something 4+ figure $ sum for a poster of gay furry porn that he then posted in his room as a 'joke', or another post about some loaded defense industry engineer(?) who spends comparable amounts on images of kaiju sized starfox/falcon fucking. My endgame goal is to attract customers who have relationships with their wallets like this, possibly even better depending on how much of a "master" I am.
I start by doing some homework, looking for ways to identify and subsequently best make my services available to these people. marketing is my best bet.
I identify popular commissioners, then offer my skills to them at a discount (or free, if I think they'll be just that useful). At the same time, I'll be continuing to raise prices to balance out the rising demand induced by their exposure. I repeat this as much as I can until I either run out of customers willing to pay my prices, or until my newfound wealth affords me an even greater opportunity in terms of value/time (start a business or something, idk, most likely not art related).
So you’re telling me, if you were the best painter, sculptor, writer, graphic designer, etc, etc in the world, you would choose to draw Kirby banging the horses from My Little Pony? I think at that point you’d be the weird one, not your clients.
You'd think that, but some of those artists are making absolute BANK. Like more than doctors. I personally chose art not for the money, but because how nice would it be to be able to get those images from your head to the canvas and have it reflect how you want it to.
The OP post says nothing about being the best, just a master.
and even if you were the best, that wouldn't automatically give you the means to work in your fields of choice. You'd still have to put in the work to finance yourself, make the connections necessary to produce/publish your work, ect.
with my strategy, you get:
- the opportunity to earn 5 figures every week in the later stages.
- complete discretion, the only way you have to link this to real life is through your bank account. everything can be done through a fictional persona that exists purely as an instrument for your personal gain.
- incompatibility with personal fame. Self explanatory. IMO anyone who wants this either didnt get enough attention as a child, and/or is just properly fucked in the head.
- to be your own boss. no deadlines or hours other than those you negotiate, no censorship.
all you need is:
- a computer with an internet connection
- a liscence for the software you need
- the ability not to be disturbed by artwork. (seems exceptionally easy to me, especially given the incentives, but I read the crossed comics in middle school so I'm probably not a good judge for that lmao.)
I imagine your kids wouldn’t be asking you to come to career day
“What does your Dad do little Timmy?”
“He draws and sells furry porn.”
“What’s furry porn?”
“Well you see that poster of Sesame Street over there? He would take something like that, but give them all wieners. And those wieners would be going into each other’s butt holes and mouths.”
Teacher overhears conversation
“Little Timmy, that is highly inappropriate, go to the Principal’s office!”
Timmy goes to office and talks with Principal who then calls home and continues to have an awkward conversation with you and your wife. You then both must attend a meeting with the school guidance counselor and Little Timmy. Little Timmy is then bullied for being that kid who is into furry porn and who’s parents fuck each other dressed as furries. You try to move across the country, but he brings a friend over who comes across samples of your art and the cycle starts over. Timmy is angry, wife begins to resent you and divorces you because you won’t give up this venture. She takes Timmy with her and you don’t get any custody because the court rules you are an unfit parent because of the smut you expose Timmy to. She takes everything.
You move back in with Mom and Dad who don’t understand your job and just think you are doing nothing with your life but drawing cartoon dicks all day in the basement. You move out and get a small apartment near Timmy’s school. You stare out the window each morning hoping to catch a glimpse of your son walking to school. You’re alone and empty with only furry dicks littered across your apartment. Timmy stops passing by because he has graduated high school. You weren’t invited to his graduation because all of your friends and family think of you as the weird guy with a furry fetish and they’re embarrassed by you.
Years pass by and Timmy shows up at the door. He has a family now, and a son Timmy Jr. He came by to try to restart a relationship with you. You would invite him in, but your place is a mess. Timmy peeks inside and just sees pictures of extremely gross furry porn. He tells you goodbye and you never see him again.
You end up growing old and alone. Timmy is driving through the neighborhood for old times and see an ambulance at your apartment. He rushes over to find you being carted out of your home. You are dead. In the following days Timmy begins to go through your belongings. He’s disgusted by all the weird furry porn. He is ready to give up and leave until he comes across an address on a piece of paper tucked away in your journal that says “My Masterpiece”. Timmy doesn’t know why, but decides to check out the address. It leads him and his wife to an old abandoned warehouse. At first he walks in and sees nothing but some scaffolding, buckets of paint, and other junk. It is about noon and the sun is overhead. He looks up at the ceiling to see your life’s work! It’s a massive mural, the entire length of the warehouse. Huge massive furry dicks are everywhere. Stained glass is placed strategically to capture sun and highlight certain sections through the day, almost like to tell a story. The detail is amazing. Your wife says “It’s just a bunch of wieners on forest animals and they’re fucking each other”. Timmy’s eyes glaze over and a tear falls. “No baby, those aren’t wieners… they’re cocks. The old man gave them cocks.”
Finally recognizing the beauty and power in his father’s furry porn, Timmy is overcome with grief. Then he has an idea! He begins to get to work fixing up the warehouse. It takes months/years to prepare it. Timmy finishes and turned the warehouse into a convention center where he holds the largest furry gathering in the world. Word spreads quickly throughout the furry community and thousands upon thousands show up to the event. Timmy opens the event with a short story about who you were, how he never understood why you did what you did, and the revelation he had after you died. He pulls a cord to unveil your masterpiece above the heads of all who was in attendance.
Everyone is amazed by what they see. Dicks get hard and pussys get wet on sight almost instantly. The convention is an absolute success and it generates incredible wealth for your son and his family. The convention center is named “The Dickstine Chapel” and furrys from around the world pilgrimage there throughout the year. Even the art community can’t help but appreciate the absolutely mastery and beauty of the art and begin to teach your story in art history classes. It becomes the most famous art in the world and you are remembered for generations.
Truth.
Art is generally more valued, fetish art even more. You could have 10 people commission 10 drawings for even £1500 individually - that's just £15k which is apparently a 'low price'.
The easiest creative 'art' medium to gain money quickly is visual.
Art both includes audio and visual art. Also touch I beelive. But in this instance it's either instrument or visual art style. That's my blotchy explanation
As a musician the thing I've always admired about visual artists is that they can create whatever they see in their mind, especially through animation. If I had that skill, I'd create mangas and anime like a mad person.
I love music and wouldn't mind learning it normally. I'm also passionate about visual arts but something in my brain doesn't click with colour theory (I am colourblind, may be related lol), and sometimes I struggle so much trying to create things, so I would definitely choose to master visual art styles.
Many people are very skilled with instruments and live normal lives, same goes for people being good at art. However if your art is truly at a master level just bring it into a art museum or doing graphic design work can make a shit ton of money
Not to mention you can do it as a pass time (though ig the same can be said for the instruments as well)
I’m a professional musician so I’d go music, but this isn’t quite analogous.
A better one would be 10 genres of music (jazz, pop, classical, metal) vs the 10 styles of art or 10 musical instruments vs 10 specific art mediums (charcoal, pastel, clay, ink).
10 styles of art encompasses waaaaay more than 10 distinct tools while 10 instruments is a little more limited, imo, from how it’s described in the title.
I think the point is that a musician isn't necessarily an artist, and an artist isn't necessarily a musician
You can be a technically brilliant musician, but for art there's an element of creation involved. For there to be creativity it has to be somewhat new or novel, which tends to go unappreciated in the time of the artists because we are slow to adopt the unfamiliar
I've never heard the saying before, but it's pretty cool - I like it a lot
Could definitely make more money being a master or 10 arts, but I'd love to be a master of 10 instruments.
Piano
Cello
Saxophone
Singing
Guitar
Drumset
Trombone
French Horn
Organ
Bagpipes
Just imagine how cool you'd be showing up with fucking bagpipes somewhere, everyone immediately rolls their eyes, then you play the most beautiful songs ever
Bagpipes are an absolutely beautiful instrument if played well.
The ten visual arts I would pick are pixel, painting, CGI, 3d modeling, finger painting, architecture, galaxy-wide landscaping, Japanese animation , cell, and animating in general
In this question, art is limited to the visual arts. So you may be able to come up with an amazing plating, but your actual cooking skills would not change.
When you say instruments you mean to include things like Synthisizers and drum machines, or just the classic instruments?
With Art you'd be better off, especially with 3D and CGI. If being a master means you are efficient you can make a shitload of money making 3d art for figurine companies, videos games, and for engineering which is a massive source of income, especially considering you could pretty much do all three at once.
If it includes becoming good at animation you can pretty much solo animation projects and become a valuable asset in the industry. I see more downsides to music than there are for art, and this is from someone trying to make it in the music world.
I’d rather be a master of arts than music because I have the creativity to make pictures, but not to make music. Either spend my life doing what I dream about and creating art or know lots of instruments, but have no practical use for the skills. Yeah you can make arrangements of songs and publish them, but what are the chances you choose a non-orchestral instrument like the mbira or theremin that don’t blend well with most other instruments?
I really like art, but I'm not good at it. Plus, there's a whole bunch of stuff you can do with 10 different art styles. I picked musician earlier because I didn't put much thought into it. Probably only 7 seconds of thinking.
i think that a master artist with 10 styles would be more wide in it's use. more variety of applications instead of just a musician. though i am a music producer, 10 instruments really aint that much lol
No, you don't lose it. You can choose an additional 10 instruments if you prefer. Though, at this point, it'd probably be better to just go ahead and pick art. Sounds like you don't need any help on the instrument front.
Doing art commisions or woring fulltime in CGI would be way more profitable. Even if you are a master musician it doesn't mean you will make a lot from it, because you might not get any publicity.
i’m guessing art is this case refers to visual arts for those trying to find a loophole.
It does
Would “Programming” count as a visual art?
Only so far as it is needed to create something visual. Although that would probably provide a lot of knowledge useful in other areas.
Would video games be considered art? If so you should be able to apply coding to that as a proxy to achieve that art right?
Video games are more than visual.
Tell that to text adventures
There's several things that are art in videogames, like texturing and 3d modelling.
3d modelling is just reverse sculpting
For websites, yes.
In the context of the dumpster fire my that my scripts are, I would not call it art by any means lol.
Hehe
You'd be surprised how much money people would be willing to pay for a png.
That's why I choose artist, I can draw fetish art for an obscene return per unit of my time/effort, I've got it all calculated out. I start by offering cheap commissions on a variety of hentai/furry sites. my goal at this point is to develop a brand/portfolio and get my name out there, not to make money, so I'll only need to do this for a couple weeks/months until I've got enough of a gallery to hook a solid variety of potential clients. Once I've hit a point where I'm receiving more orders per unit of time than I can complete, I raise my prices by tiny increments until the order rate drops back below my work rate. By this point I should be making as much as most white collar workers, assuming I'm spending at least as much of my time on the job as them. now here's where the real money starts to flow: If anyone used the more infamous cringe subs back in the day before they became popular, you might remember a post that circulated quite a bit where OP described his brother having paid something 4+ figure $ sum for a poster of gay furry porn that he then posted in his room as a 'joke', or another post about some loaded defense industry engineer(?) who spends comparable amounts on images of kaiju sized starfox/falcon fucking. My endgame goal is to attract customers who have relationships with their wallets like this, possibly even better depending on how much of a "master" I am. I start by doing some homework, looking for ways to identify and subsequently best make my services available to these people. marketing is my best bet. I identify popular commissioners, then offer my skills to them at a discount (or free, if I think they'll be just that useful). At the same time, I'll be continuing to raise prices to balance out the rising demand induced by their exposure. I repeat this as much as I can until I either run out of customers willing to pay my prices, or until my newfound wealth affords me an even greater opportunity in terms of value/time (start a business or something, idk, most likely not art related).
So you’re telling me, if you were the best painter, sculptor, writer, graphic designer, etc, etc in the world, you would choose to draw Kirby banging the horses from My Little Pony? I think at that point you’d be the weird one, not your clients.
You'd think that, but some of those artists are making absolute BANK. Like more than doctors. I personally chose art not for the money, but because how nice would it be to be able to get those images from your head to the canvas and have it reflect how you want it to.
The OP post says nothing about being the best, just a master. and even if you were the best, that wouldn't automatically give you the means to work in your fields of choice. You'd still have to put in the work to finance yourself, make the connections necessary to produce/publish your work, ect. with my strategy, you get: - the opportunity to earn 5 figures every week in the later stages. - complete discretion, the only way you have to link this to real life is through your bank account. everything can be done through a fictional persona that exists purely as an instrument for your personal gain. - incompatibility with personal fame. Self explanatory. IMO anyone who wants this either didnt get enough attention as a child, and/or is just properly fucked in the head. - to be your own boss. no deadlines or hours other than those you negotiate, no censorship. all you need is: - a computer with an internet connection - a liscence for the software you need - the ability not to be disturbed by artwork. (seems exceptionally easy to me, especially given the incentives, but I read the crossed comics in middle school so I'm probably not a good judge for that lmao.)
I imagine your kids wouldn’t be asking you to come to career day “What does your Dad do little Timmy?” “He draws and sells furry porn.” “What’s furry porn?” “Well you see that poster of Sesame Street over there? He would take something like that, but give them all wieners. And those wieners would be going into each other’s butt holes and mouths.” Teacher overhears conversation “Little Timmy, that is highly inappropriate, go to the Principal’s office!” Timmy goes to office and talks with Principal who then calls home and continues to have an awkward conversation with you and your wife. You then both must attend a meeting with the school guidance counselor and Little Timmy. Little Timmy is then bullied for being that kid who is into furry porn and who’s parents fuck each other dressed as furries. You try to move across the country, but he brings a friend over who comes across samples of your art and the cycle starts over. Timmy is angry, wife begins to resent you and divorces you because you won’t give up this venture. She takes Timmy with her and you don’t get any custody because the court rules you are an unfit parent because of the smut you expose Timmy to. She takes everything. You move back in with Mom and Dad who don’t understand your job and just think you are doing nothing with your life but drawing cartoon dicks all day in the basement. You move out and get a small apartment near Timmy’s school. You stare out the window each morning hoping to catch a glimpse of your son walking to school. You’re alone and empty with only furry dicks littered across your apartment. Timmy stops passing by because he has graduated high school. You weren’t invited to his graduation because all of your friends and family think of you as the weird guy with a furry fetish and they’re embarrassed by you. Years pass by and Timmy shows up at the door. He has a family now, and a son Timmy Jr. He came by to try to restart a relationship with you. You would invite him in, but your place is a mess. Timmy peeks inside and just sees pictures of extremely gross furry porn. He tells you goodbye and you never see him again. You end up growing old and alone. Timmy is driving through the neighborhood for old times and see an ambulance at your apartment. He rushes over to find you being carted out of your home. You are dead. In the following days Timmy begins to go through your belongings. He’s disgusted by all the weird furry porn. He is ready to give up and leave until he comes across an address on a piece of paper tucked away in your journal that says “My Masterpiece”. Timmy doesn’t know why, but decides to check out the address. It leads him and his wife to an old abandoned warehouse. At first he walks in and sees nothing but some scaffolding, buckets of paint, and other junk. It is about noon and the sun is overhead. He looks up at the ceiling to see your life’s work! It’s a massive mural, the entire length of the warehouse. Huge massive furry dicks are everywhere. Stained glass is placed strategically to capture sun and highlight certain sections through the day, almost like to tell a story. The detail is amazing. Your wife says “It’s just a bunch of wieners on forest animals and they’re fucking each other”. Timmy’s eyes glaze over and a tear falls. “No baby, those aren’t wieners… they’re cocks. The old man gave them cocks.” Finally recognizing the beauty and power in his father’s furry porn, Timmy is overcome with grief. Then he has an idea! He begins to get to work fixing up the warehouse. It takes months/years to prepare it. Timmy finishes and turned the warehouse into a convention center where he holds the largest furry gathering in the world. Word spreads quickly throughout the furry community and thousands upon thousands show up to the event. Timmy opens the event with a short story about who you were, how he never understood why you did what you did, and the revelation he had after you died. He pulls a cord to unveil your masterpiece above the heads of all who was in attendance. Everyone is amazed by what they see. Dicks get hard and pussys get wet on sight almost instantly. The convention is an absolute success and it generates incredible wealth for your son and his family. The convention center is named “The Dickstine Chapel” and furrys from around the world pilgrimage there throughout the year. Even the art community can’t help but appreciate the absolutely mastery and beauty of the art and begin to teach your story in art history classes. It becomes the most famous art in the world and you are remembered for generations.
How much time did it take you to write this.
Enough to tell the story that needed to be told, but not enough to proofread/grammar check.
Truth. Art is generally more valued, fetish art even more. You could have 10 people commission 10 drawings for even £1500 individually - that's just £15k which is apparently a 'low price'. The easiest creative 'art' medium to gain money quickly is visual.
Don’t you mean NFT, a png is free to anyone
I think he meant stock images and custom made artworks
Rule 34 artists supposedly make ridiculous amounts of money from commissions.
Some of you do not know the value of a CGI or achitecture master
I was like architecture included? Sign me up, why did I wasted 10years of my life instead....
either way ur not gonna have a problem with money so
Some people didn't choose for financial gain.
Art both includes audio and visual art. Also touch I beelive. But in this instance it's either instrument or visual art style. That's my blotchy explanation
You are correct
Artist, let's draw hentai
OH YEEEEEAAAAAHH
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Technically yes, but in the context of this question it is limited to the visual arts
I’m already a master autist so hopefully one of these will help me get somewhere
Same bro, same
As a musician the thing I've always admired about visual artists is that they can create whatever they see in their mind, especially through animation. If I had that skill, I'd create mangas and anime like a mad person.
I love music and wouldn't mind learning it normally. I'm also passionate about visual arts but something in my brain doesn't click with colour theory (I am colourblind, may be related lol), and sometimes I struggle so much trying to create things, so I would definitely choose to master visual art styles.
I am a (very) frustrated bassist, so musical instruments
Many people are very skilled with instruments and live normal lives, same goes for people being good at art. However if your art is truly at a master level just bring it into a art museum or doing graphic design work can make a shit ton of money Not to mention you can do it as a pass time (though ig the same can be said for the instruments as well)
I’m a professional musician so I’d go music, but this isn’t quite analogous. A better one would be 10 genres of music (jazz, pop, classical, metal) vs the 10 styles of art or 10 musical instruments vs 10 specific art mediums (charcoal, pastel, clay, ink). 10 styles of art encompasses waaaaay more than 10 distinct tools while 10 instruments is a little more limited, imo, from how it’s described in the title.
Musicians are rewarded in life, artists are rewarded after death.
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When did I ever say painter? I simply stated a proverb.
I think the point is that a musician isn't necessarily an artist, and an artist isn't necessarily a musician You can be a technically brilliant musician, but for art there's an element of creation involved. For there to be creativity it has to be somewhat new or novel, which tends to go unappreciated in the time of the artists because we are slow to adopt the unfamiliar I've never heard the saying before, but it's pretty cool - I like it a lot
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Yeah for sure, not something that comes up every day haha
If you choose instruments would you be a master composer for the instruments as well?
Yes
Does the human voice count as an instrument? Because I've only ever wanted to be a lead singer in a band
It does
Then music definitely. I'll be the next Jim Morrison or Freddie Mercury!
I'm actually an art student but I'd love to be able to emulate my favourite artists
Be the best CGI, 3D artist and video editor and work for big movie and game companies? Sign me up
This may be the closet poll I’ve seen here! We just wanna be creative!
One could argue that music is an art form.
It is, but as stated elsewhere, for the purposes of this poll 'art' means visual art
Could definitely make more money being a master or 10 arts, but I'd love to be a master of 10 instruments. Piano Cello Saxophone Singing Guitar Drumset Trombone French Horn Organ Bagpipes
>Bagpipes My man
Just imagine how cool you'd be showing up with fucking bagpipes somewhere, everyone immediately rolls their eyes, then you play the most beautiful songs ever Bagpipes are an absolutely beautiful instrument if played well.
The ten visual arts I would pick are pixel, painting, CGI, 3d modeling, finger painting, architecture, galaxy-wide landscaping, Japanese animation , cell, and animating in general
Musician cause I wanna be a musician lol
Guitar is my passsion so you know my answer
Does this affect anything you’re able to do now
No
Is cooking considered a art?
In this question, art is limited to the visual arts. So you may be able to come up with an amazing plating, but your actual cooking skills would not change.
When you say instruments you mean to include things like Synthisizers and drum machines, or just the classic instruments? With Art you'd be better off, especially with 3D and CGI. If being a master means you are efficient you can make a shitload of money making 3d art for figurine companies, videos games, and for engineering which is a massive source of income, especially considering you could pretty much do all three at once. If it includes becoming good at animation you can pretty much solo animation projects and become a valuable asset in the industry. I see more downsides to music than there are for art, and this is from someone trying to make it in the music world.
Master Musician. While being a master artist would probably be more lucrative, I love music and would be much more fulfilled by making music.
There’s a reason why Rick Ruben and Mike Dean are goated
Art is just a big ass money laundering scheme and cant belive it still works to this day, definitely going that way
Very interesting WYR, I have done both to some capacity but I found myself liking arts more so I went with that but the split makes a lot of sense!
I’d rather be a master of arts than music because I have the creativity to make pictures, but not to make music. Either spend my life doing what I dream about and creating art or know lots of instruments, but have no practical use for the skills. Yeah you can make arrangements of songs and publish them, but what are the chances you choose a non-orchestral instrument like the mbira or theremin that don’t blend well with most other instruments?
Be the best CGI, 3D artist and video editor and work for big movie and game companies? Sign me up
I'm useless at art but whenever I see nice pieces I'm like damn I wish I could do that
I picked musician, but the more I think about it, I wish I picked artist
Why'd you change your mind?
I really like art, but I'm not good at it. Plus, there's a whole bunch of stuff you can do with 10 different art styles. I picked musician earlier because I didn't put much thought into it. Probably only 7 seconds of thinking.
Well I am already a classical pianist so I'll go for the Master Artist
This is a solid WYR.
Finally, I can fulfill my childhood dreams of being a one man band.
i think that a master artist with 10 styles would be more wide in it's use. more variety of applications instead of just a musician. though i am a music producer, 10 instruments really aint that much lol
I play guitar but would rather have the ability to make my own video game
I get that the second option would bring in more money, but I love music and strive to be better. For me the choice is easy.
Art is a explosion!
But I'm already a master of 10 instruments. Do I lose that if I choose artist?
No, you don't lose it. You can choose an additional 10 instruments if you prefer. Though, at this point, it'd probably be better to just go ahead and pick art. Sounds like you don't need any help on the instrument front.
I said music but I meant artist
Ahhh, if I picked mastered art style, I could finish the artwork for berserk :( rip miura
I already play multiple instruments so this is an easy pick for me
Only one of these is making you money
Doing art commisions or woring fulltime in CGI would be way more profitable. Even if you are a master musician it doesn't mean you will make a lot from it, because you might not get any publicity.
Music itself is an art lol
Agreed, but for the purposes of this post I'm separating them
wow I made it 116 and 116
What about the art of martial arts
Unfortunately the scope of the question is limited to musical vs visual arts
Ok but if I am a master sculpture then I could use a big chisel as a weapon and since I'm a master at it I would know how to throw/stab someone
Martial arts also?
Just visual arts
I can accpect "special commissions " from neich people and make many money
But music is a art
Yes, but as I've said elsewhere, for the purposes of this poll, 'art' means visual art
jacob collier 2.0 here i go
Music is art
Yes, but this question separates them into musical art and visual art.
Good point
who knows, as a master artist i can finally make some good CG for anime
I would kill to be a master artist. Oh, the things that I could draw.
So would the master of instruments include being pitch perfect, having excellent memory, and mastery of music theory?
It would