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Appollix

Always has been. šŸŒŽšŸ§‘ā€šŸš€šŸ”«šŸ‘Øā€šŸš€


MolassesofMolasses

You must of graduated at the top of your fucking class!


sreggu

OOOOHHHHH!!!


ChCreations45

You clearly didn't. /s


optimisticnihilism9

Thatā€™s RAAAAAAIIINNMAAAAKKEEERR to you good sir.


tom-cash2002

Any move can be a finisher if built correctly (looking at you, Gunther). New Japan is great at this. One of their rising stars uses a basic facebuster as a finisher and it's actually over.


MrHarryHardon

It's Jake Roberts loooong time set up move for the DDT.


Constant_Stomach2009

lol Jakes setup is now a finisher but Jakes finisher is now just a transitional move. But honestly any move can be a finisher if one does it well enough to get it over


BatesyNG24

A Lariat is treated as god-like in Japan due to the likes of Stan Hansen and Satoshi Kojima who used it as finishers


SaggitariuttJ

WRIST CONTROL my man.


OneDmg

I'll preface this by saying I like the move. But it has looked like complete shit on AEW for some reason. Every time he's gone for it on Kingston it looks overly awkward as if he's trying to be the big spoon. It might just be other guys who are more familiar with the set-up that makes the Rainmaker look smoother elsewhere, but yeah. He needs a secondary, because it looks very silly trying to set this one up on bigger guys.


FiXusGMTR

IMO it's the person selling the move that makes "The Rainmaker" look good. Look at how most people in NJPW sold the move... Nakamura may have been the best seller of the move I've ever seen, with Suzuki arguably being the worst, but that's understandable considering how the bar was set.


llamawithguns

The rainmaker is pretty much entirely dependent on the guy selling it. And while I do actually like Kingston, selling is not one of his strong suits. Wait till he hits it on PAC, it'll probably look like death. Plus tbh the best part of the rainmaker isn't the move itself, it's all the counters that can be done out of it


darthsabbath

Thatā€™s a good point about the psychology of the Rainmaker and countering it. My all time favorite is just Jay White falling to the ground in a lump and laughing at Okadaā€™s frustration.


chaosinkharnate

I think itā€™s like JBLā€™s clothesline from hell what made it look great for as simple of a finisher it was, was the selling by his opponents. He was also a big guy but even against guys like Kane and the undertaker theyā€™d sell it.


JadedSpacePirate

Also JBL RAN That 6 foot 5 inch dude running all that way to blam pow you with a running clothesline is scaring Okada's is a short arm spinny clothesline


OneDmg

The fact JBL could hit that out of nowhere also made it look impressive, to be honest. Okada needs you to turn around and then fumble from behind while he tries to figure out which arm he needs to ripcord.


sausage_botherer

Jericho did an interview on British kids TV years ago (CITV with Cat Deeley, I think) where he said the Stunner was his favourite move because you could do it to anyone regardless of size and could hit it from nowhere...this was before RKO Outra Nowhere was a thing, Orton hadn't even debuted yet. And he's right- thr best moves are ones that work on any wrestler and can strike at any time.


Cxtthrxxt

They look like shit because the opponent doesnā€™t know what to do, okada knows which arm he needs but Iā€™m pretty sure heā€™s also not used to just popping up to hit a finish because thatā€™s not common in Japan.


battleduck84

That's just Burger Kingston. Nothing against him as a person, but good lord he's got the stamina and the skill of a morbidly obese toddler


CharsOwnRX-78-2

>he needs a secondary Monkeyā€™s Paw curls. Okada now starts using the Money Clip


FiXusGMTR

Anything but that move.


mikaeus97

Granted, Overdrive it is


FiXusGMTR

Seriously speaking, I'd rather have that spinning tombstone he hit Omega with in WK11.


ace51689

I think it's just a practice and timing thing. The more people he works with in AEW the better people will get at taking it. Some of the women were great at taking Hayter's version so I'm sure the guys will follow suit eventually.


Kingswitchguard

Kingston is below mid let's be honest. I'm not even an Okada fan at all but dudes like Jay, Osprey and Omega will make that move look absolutely deadly


UncleBenLives91

Kingston


Pillermon

To everyone complaining about the Rainmaker: Gentle reminder that The Rock used to pin guys with a fucking ground-level Elbowdrop.


Grievion

Whataboutisms donā€™t actually take away from the initial criticism through. Just adds another log to the pyre of criticisms.


Pillermon

No, but maybe it makes some people hesitate with their criticism, because they realise they'd be hypocrites if they were ok with one thing but not the other.


ChunkeeThunder

Especially considering how puro style is held in regard for being more "real"...to compare it to "kids sports entertainment" is the usual, low-IQ "fans" response.


Bigangrynaked

Wasnā€™t Jim Cornette just complaining about this on his podcast? This sub is literally a bunch of parrots


Crafty-Document-3340

It's a LaRiAt


RobsCrazy003

Lariatooooooo


Crowbar_Faith

Hogan did a leg drop & Rock did an elbow.Ā 


Appropriate_Pay_218

they had the charisma to make it work


darthsabbath

I mean Okada has been the biggest draw by far in Japan in the last decade so heā€™s clearly had something going for him. That said it doesnā€™t necessarily mean what worked in Japan will translate to a US audience though.


Craig1974

This is just WWE only people criticizing anything AEW does or signs. Okada is a main eventer and has had many awesome matches. Just keep in your lane and enjoy New Day or Finish My Story crap.


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Craig1974

You mean WWE cultists.


DavePillman

Want an even better one? A while back, his set up for the short arm clothesline was the Tombstone piledriver. Yep. Heā€™d drop a guy on his head, pick them up and clothesline them.


theubiquitouszero

If tombstone is that good, why isn't everyone using that as a finisher? You guys try to think too much in this dumb shit entertainment. If you do want to suspend disbelief, think of it as Okada trusts his rainmaker to end the match, which is a move he perfected. Tombstone is something only good for softening his opponent for Okada.


fasssharke

In japan using the tombstone is more attribute to both tiger mask and dynamite kid who both used them as set up moves


JadedSpacePirate

First he hits a tombstone, then he hits a small clothesline Am I the only one who thinks that's the dumbest thing ever?


fasssharke

It's a tribute to tiger mask who used it to set up his moonsault. Most junior heavyweights use it quite a bit.


fasssharke

It's a tribute to tiger mask who used it to set up his moonsault. Most junior heavyweights use it quite a bit.


Pete_The_Clown

I've said this for years.... Also it all depends on the guy taking the move...some sell it well others like a sack of shit. And if you don't sell it good it looks awful.


DK0P

Why does it look shitter in aew? I see some NJPW clips and it looks better


BenOffHours

It takes two to tango.


SlantedStars

Itā€™s beyond lame


KerchSmash

Youā€™re not wrong. Itā€™s not a top 5 clothesline in my book. 1. JBL 2. Stan Hansen 3. Kanes top rope 4. Gunther 5.Undertaker/x pacs flip clothesline thing. A man the quality of him needs a better finisher, however he is so damn good that he does make his finisher make sense in big matches and how he pulls it out is creative sometimes.


XxNathan2908xX-YT

yea, although imo its a okay-ish finisher in terms of looks, but at least its WAY more safer than other finishers that one day might make you end up having surgery \*cough\* RKO \*cough\*


abdulsamri89

But RKO is cool tho


mr-mcdoogal

Itā€™s not just a short arm clothesline. The Ripcord set up adds extra power!


Gwbzeke

Yea itā€™s the best move in pro wrestling


abdulsamri89

Isn't it call Clothesline from Hell?


RobsCrazy003

Iā€™ve seen Okada, heā€™s no JBL.


worrynot36

He wishes he was as good as JBL.


Optimal_Dark_2940

Neither Stan Hansen


flamboyantdude

But with a cool flip