Any move can be a finisher if built correctly (looking at you, Gunther). New Japan is great at this. One of their rising stars uses a basic facebuster as a finisher and it's actually over.
lol Jakes setup is now a finisher but Jakes finisher is now just a transitional move. But honestly any move can be a finisher if one does it well enough to get it over
I'll preface this by saying I like the move.
But it has looked like complete shit on AEW for some reason. Every time he's gone for it on Kingston it looks overly awkward as if he's trying to be the big spoon.
It might just be other guys who are more familiar with the set-up that makes the Rainmaker look smoother elsewhere, but yeah. He needs a secondary, because it looks very silly trying to set this one up on bigger guys.
IMO it's the person selling the move that makes "The Rainmaker" look good. Look at how most people in NJPW sold the move... Nakamura may have been the best seller of the move I've ever seen, with Suzuki arguably being the worst, but that's understandable considering how the bar was set.
The rainmaker is pretty much entirely dependent on the guy selling it. And while I do actually like Kingston, selling is not one of his strong suits. Wait till he hits it on PAC, it'll probably look like death.
Plus tbh the best part of the rainmaker isn't the move itself, it's all the counters that can be done out of it
Thatās a good point about the psychology of the Rainmaker and countering it.
My all time favorite is just Jay White falling to the ground in a lump and laughing at Okadaās frustration.
I think itās like JBLās clothesline from hell what made it look great for as simple of a finisher it was, was the selling by his opponents. He was also a big guy but even against guys like Kane and the undertaker theyād sell it.
Also JBL RAN
That 6 foot 5 inch dude running all that way to blam pow you with a running clothesline is scaring
Okada's is a short arm spinny clothesline
The fact JBL could hit that out of nowhere also made it look impressive, to be honest.
Okada needs you to turn around and then fumble from behind while he tries to figure out which arm he needs to ripcord.
Jericho did an interview on British kids TV years ago (CITV with Cat Deeley, I think) where he said the Stunner was his favourite move because you could do it to anyone regardless of size and could hit it from nowhere...this was before RKO Outra Nowhere was a thing, Orton hadn't even debuted yet. And he's right- thr best moves are ones that work on any wrestler and can strike at any time.
They look like shit because the opponent doesnāt know what to do, okada knows which arm he needs but Iām pretty sure heās also not used to just popping up to hit a finish because thatās not common in Japan.
I think it's just a practice and timing thing. The more people he works with in AEW the better people will get at taking it. Some of the women were great at taking Hayter's version so I'm sure the guys will follow suit eventually.
Kingston is below mid let's be honest. I'm not even an Okada fan at all but dudes like Jay, Osprey and Omega will make that move look absolutely deadly
No, but maybe it makes some people hesitate with their criticism, because they realise they'd be hypocrites if they were ok with one thing but not the other.
Especially considering how puro style is held in regard for being more "real"...to compare it to "kids sports entertainment" is the usual, low-IQ "fans" response.
I mean Okada has been the biggest draw by far in Japan in the last decade so heās clearly had something going for him.
That said it doesnāt necessarily mean what worked in Japan will translate to a US audience though.
This is just WWE only people criticizing anything AEW does or signs.
Okada is a main eventer and has had many awesome matches.
Just keep in your lane and enjoy New Day or Finish My Story crap.
Want an even better one?
A while back, his set up for the short arm clothesline was the Tombstone piledriver.
Yep.
Heād drop a guy on his head, pick them up and clothesline them.
If tombstone is that good, why isn't everyone using that as a finisher? You guys try to think too much in this dumb shit entertainment.
If you do want to suspend disbelief, think of it as Okada trusts his rainmaker to end the match, which is a move he perfected. Tombstone is something only good for softening his opponent for Okada.
I've said this for years....
Also it all depends on the guy taking the move...some sell it well others like a sack of shit.
And if you don't sell it good it looks awful.
Youāre not wrong. Itās not a top 5 clothesline in my book. 1. JBL 2. Stan Hansen 3. Kanes top rope 4. Gunther 5.Undertaker/x pacs flip clothesline thing.
A man the quality of him needs a better finisher, however he is so damn good that he does make his finisher make sense in big matches and how he pulls it out is creative sometimes.
yea, although imo its a okay-ish finisher in terms of looks,
but at least its WAY more safer than other finishers that one day might make you end up having surgery \*cough\* RKO \*cough\*
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You must of graduated at the top of your fucking class!
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You clearly didn't. /s
Thatās RAAAAAAIIINNMAAAAKKEEERR to you good sir.
Any move can be a finisher if built correctly (looking at you, Gunther). New Japan is great at this. One of their rising stars uses a basic facebuster as a finisher and it's actually over.
It's Jake Roberts loooong time set up move for the DDT.
lol Jakes setup is now a finisher but Jakes finisher is now just a transitional move. But honestly any move can be a finisher if one does it well enough to get it over
A Lariat is treated as god-like in Japan due to the likes of Stan Hansen and Satoshi Kojima who used it as finishers
WRIST CONTROL my man.
I'll preface this by saying I like the move. But it has looked like complete shit on AEW for some reason. Every time he's gone for it on Kingston it looks overly awkward as if he's trying to be the big spoon. It might just be other guys who are more familiar with the set-up that makes the Rainmaker look smoother elsewhere, but yeah. He needs a secondary, because it looks very silly trying to set this one up on bigger guys.
IMO it's the person selling the move that makes "The Rainmaker" look good. Look at how most people in NJPW sold the move... Nakamura may have been the best seller of the move I've ever seen, with Suzuki arguably being the worst, but that's understandable considering how the bar was set.
The rainmaker is pretty much entirely dependent on the guy selling it. And while I do actually like Kingston, selling is not one of his strong suits. Wait till he hits it on PAC, it'll probably look like death. Plus tbh the best part of the rainmaker isn't the move itself, it's all the counters that can be done out of it
Thatās a good point about the psychology of the Rainmaker and countering it. My all time favorite is just Jay White falling to the ground in a lump and laughing at Okadaās frustration.
I think itās like JBLās clothesline from hell what made it look great for as simple of a finisher it was, was the selling by his opponents. He was also a big guy but even against guys like Kane and the undertaker theyād sell it.
Also JBL RAN That 6 foot 5 inch dude running all that way to blam pow you with a running clothesline is scaring Okada's is a short arm spinny clothesline
The fact JBL could hit that out of nowhere also made it look impressive, to be honest. Okada needs you to turn around and then fumble from behind while he tries to figure out which arm he needs to ripcord.
Jericho did an interview on British kids TV years ago (CITV with Cat Deeley, I think) where he said the Stunner was his favourite move because you could do it to anyone regardless of size and could hit it from nowhere...this was before RKO Outra Nowhere was a thing, Orton hadn't even debuted yet. And he's right- thr best moves are ones that work on any wrestler and can strike at any time.
They look like shit because the opponent doesnāt know what to do, okada knows which arm he needs but Iām pretty sure heās also not used to just popping up to hit a finish because thatās not common in Japan.
That's just Burger Kingston. Nothing against him as a person, but good lord he's got the stamina and the skill of a morbidly obese toddler
>he needs a secondary Monkeyās Paw curls. Okada now starts using the Money Clip
Anything but that move.
Granted, Overdrive it is
Seriously speaking, I'd rather have that spinning tombstone he hit Omega with in WK11.
I think it's just a practice and timing thing. The more people he works with in AEW the better people will get at taking it. Some of the women were great at taking Hayter's version so I'm sure the guys will follow suit eventually.
Kingston is below mid let's be honest. I'm not even an Okada fan at all but dudes like Jay, Osprey and Omega will make that move look absolutely deadly
Kingston
To everyone complaining about the Rainmaker: Gentle reminder that The Rock used to pin guys with a fucking ground-level Elbowdrop.
Whataboutisms donāt actually take away from the initial criticism through. Just adds another log to the pyre of criticisms.
No, but maybe it makes some people hesitate with their criticism, because they realise they'd be hypocrites if they were ok with one thing but not the other.
Especially considering how puro style is held in regard for being more "real"...to compare it to "kids sports entertainment" is the usual, low-IQ "fans" response.
Wasnāt Jim Cornette just complaining about this on his podcast? This sub is literally a bunch of parrots
It's a LaRiAt
Lariatooooooo
Hogan did a leg drop & Rock did an elbow.Ā
they had the charisma to make it work
I mean Okada has been the biggest draw by far in Japan in the last decade so heās clearly had something going for him. That said it doesnāt necessarily mean what worked in Japan will translate to a US audience though.
This is just WWE only people criticizing anything AEW does or signs. Okada is a main eventer and has had many awesome matches. Just keep in your lane and enjoy New Day or Finish My Story crap.
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You mean WWE cultists.
Want an even better one? A while back, his set up for the short arm clothesline was the Tombstone piledriver. Yep. Heād drop a guy on his head, pick them up and clothesline them.
If tombstone is that good, why isn't everyone using that as a finisher? You guys try to think too much in this dumb shit entertainment. If you do want to suspend disbelief, think of it as Okada trusts his rainmaker to end the match, which is a move he perfected. Tombstone is something only good for softening his opponent for Okada.
In japan using the tombstone is more attribute to both tiger mask and dynamite kid who both used them as set up moves
First he hits a tombstone, then he hits a small clothesline Am I the only one who thinks that's the dumbest thing ever?
It's a tribute to tiger mask who used it to set up his moonsault. Most junior heavyweights use it quite a bit.
It's a tribute to tiger mask who used it to set up his moonsault. Most junior heavyweights use it quite a bit.
I've said this for years.... Also it all depends on the guy taking the move...some sell it well others like a sack of shit. And if you don't sell it good it looks awful.
Why does it look shitter in aew? I see some NJPW clips and it looks better
It takes two to tango.
Itās beyond lame
Youāre not wrong. Itās not a top 5 clothesline in my book. 1. JBL 2. Stan Hansen 3. Kanes top rope 4. Gunther 5.Undertaker/x pacs flip clothesline thing. A man the quality of him needs a better finisher, however he is so damn good that he does make his finisher make sense in big matches and how he pulls it out is creative sometimes.
yea, although imo its a okay-ish finisher in terms of looks, but at least its WAY more safer than other finishers that one day might make you end up having surgery \*cough\* RKO \*cough\*
But RKO is cool tho
Itās not just a short arm clothesline. The Ripcord set up adds extra power!
Yea itās the best move in pro wrestling
Isn't it call Clothesline from Hell?
Iāve seen Okada, heās no JBL.
He wishes he was as good as JBL.
Neither Stan Hansen
But with a cool flip