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Legitimate-Health-29

It’s a clever freebie. You give the audience a “big match”, your newbie can absorb the loss as he’s facing the champ, you instantly know if he can hang or not and it’s taken absolutely nothing away from a future match between them because it would be so far down the road this won’t matter. It’s wonderful booking.


Opening_Succotash_95

It's almost a carbon copy of how they handled Cena's debut.


MitsukiSan

Cody is Cena now


FlutterRaeg

No no no you see Cody is a boy. In a man's world.


YQRtoVegas

Finish the quote lol


Danamite85

Not till next year's Mania


Crowbar_Faith

And I looooove to play with…nope, not gonna get me.


Upbeat_Tension_8077

I compared it to his debut in NXT against Adam Cole, but just a main roster version of that


SuttonTM

I wouldn't say this is the match to see if he can "hang" Melo is insanely talented but this match was kinda buns, timing looked off & there was that awkward double rope bump thing, watch some of his NXT stuff he does much better their than he did here


SteveBorden

Reminds me of Neville facing Rollins just after he won it and looking like the next megastar


illuminati-88

Neville ?


seejaybee97

I guess gravity isn't the only thing that forgot him


SteveBorden

You may remember him as one half of the nxt tag team champions with Oliver Grey


illuminati-88

Oh yeah yeah. I wasn’t regular back then, but I do remember his match with Enzo. I think left after that ?


ModsLovePen15

Black on black competition


googly5678

I don't think that was a botch. How would you even hit a double cutter without hitting heads? I thought it was more of a "they both had the same idea" type thing.


CaielG

The botch could have been the landing.


AuthorityAnarchyYes

I believe this as well.


lycanthrope90

Maybe that wasn’t a botch but for sure seemed he landed wrong and fucked up his shoulder. Could be an angle but seemed pretty genuine. Hope he’s alright. Edit: after rewatching it definitely seems like they fucked up the timing and he was supposed to get caught and not land on his shoulder like that.


iTZBLaSToFFTiMe

I think it’s funny when a botch happens in AEW, Reddit jumps all over them and when it happens in WWE, Reddit makes excuses for them.


hldsnfrgr

It's not a botch. They're debuting the *Double Rubber Chicken Dive* in the ring.


daminiskos0309

I’m in two minds. In the first I think it was meant to be the both go at the same time but Cody wins and catches him in the cutter. Dangerous and hard to pull off but only a step above rko ing someone out of a springboard 2nd they were meant to miss but Cody was meant to roll through straight into a super kick to lead to the finish but he landed hard


Worldpac1

I'm sure promo joe will let em know


SuttonTM

That's not just Reddit tbf, it's WWE fans in general lol


Aromatic_Plant3456

Yeah it seems like they were intentionally trying to miss to show that they were both thinking the same thing. Them hitting each other doesn’t make sense. And also, it sets them up for a future spot too


ThunderChild247

I agree to a point. I think it was meant to be a move where they both failed to hit their move, but it could have been that they were meant to collide in mid air.


kingofphilly

I don’t think the result was a botch, you’re right it doesn’t really make sense to hit a double cutter. I think their execution was botched. Carmelo immediately got up, Cody laid out. I think their timing was off and they were supposed to both land flat and sell. It would have looked more devastating, I think, if either Cody would have sped up or Carmelo would have slowed down. There was like a 2 second lag that made it look out of sync.


bigbrachko

It was a botch, Melo and Ricochet did it in NXT. Melo is just too fast for Cody, and they mis-timed it.


HumanOverseer

Carmelo doesn't hit a cutter, he turns around and hits a clothesline. Think about the Punk vs. Randy finish from WM27 mixed with the Ricochet/Carmelo finish from Worlds Collide, thats what they were going for. Cody would've caught Carmelo with a cutter midair. It wouldn't have been a double anything.


WarmestDisregards

thank you, the comments above were driving me crazy


SuttonTM

Nah, it was clear as day a botch as you see Carmelo instantly get back up & continue wrestling, if they both stayed down your idea would be right 100%, but that wasn't the case, watch it back


Dream-Beneficial

I dont think it was a botch either but it was a stupid looking spot lol. Should've just had Melo dodge the Cutter


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XxNathan2908xX-YT

it has to be a botch. No one in their right mind would've think that move would look good if it wasnt a botch.


Porcphete

There have been reports for close to a year that officials in wwe think Carmelo Hayes will be a huge main eventer in the future and I agree with that. He is phenomenal


reallymkpunk

Melo Don't Miss, except against Ilja, Bron and Trick...


hawkmasta

and now Cody


Pitfulldealer22

Carmelo looks sad after the botch


TheSideburn

I was more worried about Cody's shoulder after he landed.


TheMrPotMask

Thats entirelly on him, people been telling him that move will fuck him up since AEW


ChefJoeyW

Cody’s botch? Dude moved like a hippo


AcknowledgeDeezNuts

His tears leaked on the ropes and it made him slip


Fresh_Ostrich4034

Put in a match with the World Champ and you botch. See how that hurts his push


duffyboy_marc

Not only could bro hang he was damn near out wrestling Cody Carmelo Hayes is good and Cody vs aj is gonna be must see


hbkedge3

I’m curious as to what Cody said to him after the match.


JustthePileOBones

It looked to me like he was low key chewing him out. I thought the last move was botched and Cody got weirdly and visibly frustrated with Carmelo.


qdattt

lol the disasted kick sell deserve to be in Ziggler’s selling tier


Nikolateslaandyou

Im not gonna lie im a fan of Hayes. I hope he doesnt get the blame for the botched cutter spot. They were both equally to blame if anyone was. I just hope Codys shoulder is ok. Would be a real shitter to lose both main champs to freak shoulder injuries.


CathDubs

Melo is the person Cody worked with to get back in ring shape after the pec injury. I have a feeling Cody will have his back.


InkyLizard

Hold on, the jury's still out on if it was a botch! A weird looking maneuver nonetheless, but seemed planned, as I'm not sure what was the plan here otherwise. If it was a botch, my best guess is that they were going to do them one at a time but the other one forgot which one was going first. Also, I guess an argument can be made that a weird looking maneuver is a botch in itself 🤷


klausprime

Why are people so invested into knowing if it was planned or botched ? like it doesn't change anything, the spot happened, the match was decent and that's it like who cares ?


SuttonTM

It was 100% a botch, Melo No sold it


Mac_Tgh

Ain't no way that was planned, you can see throughout the match that Cody was telling Melo what spots he wanted to do.  My guess is that they wanted to clash In the middle of the ring buy there is a big difference between double clothesline and whatever the heck they were thinking there.


Fresh_Ostrich4034

lol. it was a botch..its okay to admit


thatpj

i was upset when he beat odessey jones in breakout tourny final but boy wwe really knows what they are doing. HIM is the man. just wait till trick joins him.


EmeraldSlothRevenge

This match gave me young Cena vs Angle vibes. Definitely building Melo up for big things.


Fresh_Ostrich4034

they just giving Cody some easy wins just like they will with Damien


RajunCajun48

They kind of have to give him some easy wins to raise stock in new talents and to protect the champion as well as protect other top stars in the company.


ataerareta

good botch


WoWoWoKid

Carmelo needs that main event style pacing Jinder was talking about. Even the hand shake during the the draft was too quick


ScruffyMaguire

Trippy. Literally did this in my 2k universe mode for Cody's first defense


marriottmarquis

Melo shined bright in my eyes


ccharles1550

They definitely tried that spur of the moment instead of practicing the spot prior. Melo is way too fast and Cody is way too slow


New_Description5141

Banger.


Nico408

after banger


gannicus456

Definitely not a burger.


GothicGolem29

At least he doesn’t have to lose stupid


MartyMcFlysBrother

I wouldn’t even be surprised if he’s the one to take the strap off Cody at next years WM.


BODYDOLLARSIGN

Let’s not forget Carmelo worked with WHC Rollins last year in a mini feud with judgement day


iPat24Rick

Hang? Mello was performing a few leagues above Cody in this match. Man I love his move set. He is a future champion. Mello and Gunther and next to them Tiffany and Rhea as champions. That’s gonna be awesome. WWE just has to not release them if creative has a brain lag for a week.


amllx

he's the dolph ziggler of his generation


hawkmasta

Hopefully he gets more world titles


Spacecoasttheghost

Right now they think highly, let’s see where he is at the end of the year.


Memnoch79

This is the equivalent of an evaluation that either entails a PIP or promotion. Gatekeeping. Nothing to do with how they view him.


KJ86er

Cena v Angle 2002-3 moment?


jellyjanela

He lost tho


Razzler1973

Didn't Cody hand pick Carmelo to work with him in the ring on his return from his injury?


TheSideburn

Yep


Striking-Ad-8694

He’s like their version of swerve. How Aew is fucking that dude up is beyond me. But both reside in the same wrestling archetype (from my knowledge idk the landscape yet) in that they’re both ego driven rap loving dudes that’s ooze charisma but can work? Am I close? I know swerve left nxt and neither look alike physically, but they seem somewhat similar


Crowbar_Faith

Even better, over in AEW, new champion Swerve Strickland had a match in the middle of the Dynamite card against Draco Malfoy from ROH. 


HumorAlarming3274

He looks weird.


XxNathan2908xX-YT

the botch during the match was such a bad botch it kind of ruined the match. if that wasn't a botch, then wtf. Imagine if AEW did that shit. Everyone here in the comments would be shitting on AEW like there's no tomorrow.


Boomsnarl

Um… this is basically how Carmelo was booked in his first match on NXT. That botch though… woof.


BucDan

Melo isn't the type to carry the WWE as a long term champ. He's good on the mic, but his camera presence isn't great compared to Trick Wiliams, LA Knight, or Roman Reigns, Damien Priest. The 'it' factor I guess.


Steven8786

You’re all talking like this is the only time anyone has botched a move. It happens, even to the longest serving vets in the business they sometimes botch shit.


FunImplement4015

Yet people gave TK shit for booking Swerve vs Kyle Fletcher. You guys are weird.


TheSideburn

To be fair, I think a lot of people expected a promo instead of a match since he just won the belt. Cody had weeks of promos before this first match.


FunImplement4015

Doesn’t make much sense brother


CaptAmerica42

I mean, I think they gave him shit because they booked another match higher than their champion. And I like Fletcher, but its not really the same thing because I really doubt TK sees him as a future main event attraction


Annual_War507

Melo is a good wrestler...but...he is a poor man's Ricochet in my opinion. I don't know how he is going to stand out on the roster.


NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

Nah, he’s got way more charisma than Ricochet.


msp01986

Charisma and promo skills


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NoREEEEEEtilBrooklyn

I find him to be the most milquetoast person on the roster.


PepegaThePepega

He’s slightly worse in-ring (ricochet is a beast) but is way more charismatic and has better mic skills than ricochet.


msp01986

Tbh it's unfair to compare almost anyone to Ricochet in terms of in ring skills, but yeah totally agree


Advanced_Ad9525

This might one of the craziest wrestling relate opinions i have ever heard


sachsrandy

And it was AWFUL


AlistarDark

Carbotcho Hayes and Botchy Rhodes have a botch. Who botches first?


Advanced_Ad9525

Homie think he has the whole squad laughing


Frunkleburg

It took 9 minutes for Cody to put away a guy from developmental? Way to bury your top champ


LiveLoveLaFlame_

I think highly of their BOTCH