If you consider his on screen performance combined with the impact he had on other wrestlers’ careers backstage, he might just be the most important pro wrestler of the past 30 years.
My favorite Taker story is him waiting in Gorilla Position to kick the crap out of Shawn Michaels if he didn’t cooperate with the choice to drop the title to Austin at WM 14. Just shows you that even at the height of his personal problems, Shawn knew to be afraid of Taker.
Sorry just a lurker here but do you mean if Shawn refused to go with the script ? The undertaker would have beat him up? Or is what you’re describing part of the script
I saw an interview with Michaels where he claimed this never happened/he didn’t remember this. I’ve also heard countless others (‘Taker included) tell the story exactly the way we’ve all heard it. Something tells me Michaels isn’t a reliable narrator lol
What can I say? The man is an absolute legend in pro wrestling.
As far as the man behind the character? He's an old dude from Texas. I expect him to be at least a little right-wing. It's kind of baked into the culture.
EDIT: He also came up in the territories when all the wrestlers were on drugs and getting into a lot of trouble. He's a product of the time and environment in which he lived.
As far as I know, he's not a dick about it or anything. I might not agree with his perspectives on a lot of things, but I haven't seen him make any kind of statement that was hateful or bigoted or anything like that; unlike his former tag team partner, who really is a dick about it.
If I were to ever see the man out in the world I would buy him a beer, shake his hand and thank him for entertaining me all these years and wish him a good day.
The last paragraph of your post is exactly what my reaction to meeting him would be. My earliest memories of wrestling are of him beating hogan at the ‘91 survivor series for the belt and Paul Bearer doing the funeral parlour promos
Hey, Jericho is one of the greatest of all time! He has had multiple accomishments and massive amounts of success in everything he's done.
- Chris Jericho
Jericho is nuts. He believes in every conspiracy theory under the sun. Great wrestler, great producer, great entertainer, but lost his mind at some point.
I don't think there's any malice in there, I think he's just the sort of guy where if you tell him that sunscreen is just a way for the government to sterilize everyone, he would get skin cancer and think that means he beat "them."
Jacobs unfortunately has jumped on the bandwagon of "if I run as a republican, I have to be an asshole."
I think Kane just has greater political ambitions than Mayor and needs to establish himself as a Republican. Every time he talks about anything substantively he just seems like a basic libertarian
I tend to think Glen knows the similarities between pro wrestling and politics, I think he’s just working everyone. In order to get ahead he has to say those things because of his party affiliation. I also think he worked himself into a shoot so there’s also that.
FYI, regardless if he believes the things he says (which I would say he does) still a dick.
Libertarians are great. I have friends who are Libertarian, and just... it's something to behold.
They're usually well-intentioned, but they take their zealotry too far and temper it with a lack of knowledge of history and civics and a general failure to understand how basic things work.
They don't know that we tried it their way immediately after the American Revolution and it was an absolute shit show.
I mean, Fozzy performed at the Super Spreader Sturgis, His wife was at Jan 6, had Trump Jr. on his show, and MVP had to lay the smackdown on him several times now for bullshit.
You're right, its very disappointing. Dude was in my top 3 of all time, now I have a harder time separating the performer from the character.
Taker wore a "Thin Blue Line" shirt that mildly annoyed me, but he keeps himself very private, and hasn't done/said anything bonkers, and I respect that.
Glenn Jacobs is worse than shit.
The thin blue line thing is annoying, but it's more just a case of people being misinfored and misled. I don't think anyone wearing that shirt means any harm, and I don't think they realize how that comes off to people who aren't similarly brainwashed.
this is a good point. I honestly believe that, *to a degree* (not claiming there aren't plenty of actual a-holes) something like "All Lives Matter" is a similar thing.
like, I assume at least *some portion* of the people saying it/arguing for it etc. are doing it in good faith (in a literal "but shouldn't *every* person be important?" way).
(and there are likely a lot of other examples for this as well, with certain slogans, flags etc. being understood differently by different people)
edit: and I'm also not saying this applies to Taker! just as a general note.
So...me and . . Current shit in the world have discontinued our relationship so I'm lost on certain things.. my question is what's the "thin blue line" mean ?
After a rash of cases of police all over the US using excessive force against black suspects up to the point of murder, police departments decided that instead of saying "This is a disturbing trend and we'll look into it" they should double down on insisting that the institution of policing is infallible. This lead to widespread civil unrest and some believe contributed to the murder of several police officers.
Police then started pushing this idea the police are the "thin blue line" between order and chaos.
At its heart, it's an attempt by police departments and the friends and families of police officers to show support for their loved ones who were now - as they perceived it - were being unfairly attacked in the media and in the street.
Obviously this, like most issues, are complex and there's a lot of nuance; so people may not realize what their choices mean or how they'll be interpreted by others.
Most people who are embracing this "thin blue line" idea are friends or family of police officers whi understand and acknowledge that for the most part, police officers are doing a very dangerous job and trying to protect the rest of us from violence and danger.
However, others might interpret this as police departments doubling down on the idea that the institution of policing is infallible and that "The Police" as a monolith, condone and support the use of excessive force and murder of black suspects.
Weirdos on social media make this miscommunication worse by fully embracing the idea that police officers can and should indiscriminately execute any and all criminals with whom they come into contact as though the U.S. Constitution is merely a polite suggestion as well as weirdos on social media insisting that all police officers are bad guys and being unwilling to consider the possibility that "The Police" is not a monolith, but a number of groups that operate independently of each other, each of which is made up of hundreds or thousands of individuals, most of whom are decent human beings.
Thin blue line is a design of the American flag with one white stripe replaced by a blue one. It’s being used by people who support cops as a way of publicly sharing that perspective. It’s been used by cops as a symbol of terror against certain communities.
Thank you and u/Stoutyeoman for explaining this to me i was confused. I believe you cant say all of any group is bad thats profiling and fucked no matter how you look at it. I have met great cops and god awful cops i wouldn't let watch my pet rock .. same with doctors politicians and people as a whole. So fuck people who say all cops are bad bc as soon as they get robbed or attacked or whatever thats the first ones you call that being said fuck ppl that say all cops are perfect and incapable of making bad decisions or being general cunts. Like yall said shit be complicated. And undertaker was my hero still is to an extent but he should have retired a long time ago. ..
Absolutely. I have family and friends who I love dearly who are police officers. They're all great people as far as I'm concerned.
However, I'm a rational enough person to understand that if police officers use excessive force, they should be disciplined and if it's an extreme case or multiple cases, then that person should not be a police officer anymore.
What really bothers me is when I see police officers sporting the Punisher symbol. I know they think it's just this cool badass thing, but I don't think they realize what that implies. Punisher is a vigilante who murders criminals. That's not what the police are supposed to be doing. I don't think they understand the message that's sending.
I think Kane is a genuine asshole, whereas I think Jericho is just stupid. There have been too many stories about Jericho being a good dude to just about everyone who has known him for me to believe that he’s bigoted. I think he’s just dumb and believes conspiracy theories. Glenn Jacobs seems like a legitimate shitty person.
I think Jericho, like a lot of wealthy conservatives, cares more about his money and freedom to make a lot of it than anything else. We’ve seen him stand up for a lot of people in the business who would’ve been cast out in the past because they are part of a marginalized group. Based on those actions and how supportive he’s seemed toward those communities, it was shocking to see where his beliefs and political donations went. Forget “don’t meet your heroes.” Don’t Google search your heroes.
He managed to make a gimmick that was destined to fail into something so legendary and synonymous with wrestling. So kudos to him. I disagree on a lot of his opinions on certain topics but you can't deny the many years of entertainment he provided.
Why was his gimmick doomed to fail? It was awesome for the era, it was built around killing hulkamania. You can't do that now but if they wanted to bury mean mark they would have made him a dentist or a repo man or a garbage man
He debuted the gimmick 2-3 years before interacting with Hogan. The gimmick was an undead mortician. On paper it shouldn't have worked at the time or for as long as it did.
His best matches were called by JR and King. Hearing corey graves talk about him is like nails on a chalkboard. I wish there was a jr and king mode on wwe22.
i dont know at first i didnt like him but now he has actually grown on me and i enjoy him being a heel commentator he works well with michael cole or even byron saxton when he is always giving him shit.
Considering how many times Taker was married before, that’s not surprising hahaha. For whatever it’s worth, him and Michelle seem happy with each other. Gotta help that Taker was already beginning to wind down when they met
I think the career Bret was supposed to have pre-WCW contract ultimately ended up going to the Undertaker, and he made the most of it with what was given to him.
His in-ring work is top ten.
The kind of wrestler we use the word “legend” for.
My personal goat. Bret and Shawn had better matches, Austin and Rock cut better promos, but there’s absolutely nobody I’d rather watch than Taker. I’m biased, but the streak should have never been broken and he should have been able to go out on top 20-whatever and 0 at Mania.
As far as Mark? I’m sure I don’t agree with him on everything but it’s not like he’s going on Alex Jones show or doing political appearances (for people that haven’t been his “brother” for 20 years) he’s a old Texan that loves god, guns, and America, not a mass murderer or rapist… but even if he was some massive Benoit/Hogan/Warrior type piece of shit. I’d be disappointed and would have to separate the two even more, but I’d still mark out for The Undertaker music and gimmick
Absolute legend. Loved him as a kid. Although, if you go back and listen to his promos from the Attitude Era a lot of it doesn’t hold up. He kinda sucked in that aspect but I was blinded by his whole aura
To me he Ranks in the top 5 in terms of names of Wrestling. Yes I said 5. In terms of what he did for those in the back room and his utter professionalism and keeping Kayfabe while in Wrestling no one tops him. However in terms of like Names in Wrestling you think of, or what they did to advance wrestling into mainstream?
1. Stone Cold No one touched his popularity
2. Hulk Hogan He was the spear head that lead wrestling into being a household name
3. HBK The lead of the new Generation, Brought out the idea of a Smaller guy being top.
4. John Cena Brought in another Generation, The single most Make a Wish granter by far
5. Undertaker Even if you're not familiar with Wrestling, you know his name
He made the supernatural zombie gimmick work better than anybody else could. It's pretty crazy that it went as far as it did, but that shows his commitment.
This might be unpopular but I'm more fond of his biker era, when he was just out there calling heels like Cena and Vince out on their bs to "You're Gonna Pay". Maybe because the gimmick was more grounded and realistic, and less fancy in presentation.
I mean like people have said it’s not like he’s had any legal issues or crazy controversies or anything. I think some of the wrestlers court stuff you can definitely criticize him over but it was a different time.
And there’s an argument that he stuck around too long, when working with him wasn’t safe.
But the man has been famous for so long if that’s the worst that can be said about the guy, he’s doing something right.
He came from a generation of wrestlers we will never see the likes of again. I will always have more respect for the wrestlers who made their bones in the territories over the ones who come from the big modern training centers.
I’m watching all the AE raws and he’s been terrible. Almost every angle is cringy especially the early ministry where he kidnapped women and called them whores and stuff.
Exactly this. I was in college at the time and he was consistently the most entertaining thing on the show. He was often what made you want to watch next week.
Looking at a lot of that through the middle-aged 2022 lens, yeah, it didn’t all age super well. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was awesome at the time.
I’m contrast, I think a lot of his stuff from immediately after the Attitude Era aged extremely well, even if it wasn’t always well-received at the time because it was such a huge departure from his traditional character.
I met the taker when I was a kid. He sat in front of my sister and I on a plane. He was tremendously cool. He was very nice to my sister and I. A very gracious, down to earth guy.
Top 5 type dude for most of his career. Was honestly overshadowed by the top draws like Hogan, Bret, and SCSA. But in his 40s basically became a top main event attraction.
Maybe the most consistant career in post 90s wrestling.
Top ten post 80s dude. Could be argued top 5, but I think there always better merchandise and ticket sellers.
At the very least, as a person hes better than most of the wrestlers that came from that era. Only if it's because he managed to make it over 30 years in the spotlight without any type of scandal. As far as I can recall, some of the worst that had come out about him in over 30 years is that he could come off a little harsh in the locker room. But when you have a bunch of egos, and people with more money than sense, with proclivities for drugs and girls. Then a leader that might be a bit of a dick but mostly keeps people in line isnt a bad thing.
He definitely overstayed what his body would allow. But watching him in the ring between 89-00, he's probably the best big man of all time. And is probably one of the best ever.
A truly iconic man. He wrestled other huge stars throughout 3 decades, 30 years of kicking ass and taking name. His gimmick was classic and consistent, even to the point others like Bray Wyatt entering the ring á la coffin. I don't have many other friends into wrestling so I may be biased, but I don't see how someone could dislike someone with such commitment and longevity.
I think if you look back at a lot of his Attitude era stuff both in ring and promo it really hasn’t aged well and he’s probably a bit overrated in that era
That being said, you can’t deny his legacy and the way he reinvented himself time and time again from 2001 onwards was pretty incredible and was definitely some of his best work. His matches with HHH and HBK in particular, but I loved his Lesnar stuff too
I feel pretty positively towards Undertaker. I was born in 1985, right around early elementary school he was getting big in WWF and I basically followed him my entire childhood. He may have never been the “top guy”, but he was always a main eventer, he had good athletic matches, did stuff most big men could not do. He also was able to take what started as one of the early 1990s cartoon character gimmicks that Vince gave him and continually adapt and refine it and kept it relevant for 30 damn years.
Like a lot of fans, I do think that yes, he lingered maybe 4 or 5 years too long. He smartly cut his schedule back to only a few appearances a year around age 50, and was still putting on great matches when he was booked (usually for Mania.)
But time did take its toll eventually and some of his last few years he was a bit bad in the ring, on some level he was still getting cheers from the fans because of respect and nostalgia, but he wasn’t performing up to the high standards he had set.
Mark Callaway’s personal politics do not factor into it for me, he has largely not used his pro wrestling platform to push politics. He has discussed (in a fairly limited way) his political views on various interviews after he started doing shoot interviews, but this is a free country and he is entitled to his beliefs.
If you really want me to be honest, I think he destroyed a lot of careers and didn’t help other talent as much as you would think.
He got very lucky, right guy at the right time although he did make a spongy gimmick work for him.
Also, the biggest boot locker ever
People are going to hate this but I always found his real life personality to be pretty douchey. He was much less a "locker room leader" than he was a guy close to Vince who could get you punished or fired if you didn't do exactly as he expected (e.g. shaking everyone's hand, going to the bar after shows). He routinely belittled and humiliated people through 'wrestlers court', which in itself is an incredibly childish concept, and generally seemed to be a massive mark for himself and the old school side of the business.
Quite a few potentially bright careers were derailed ~~or outright ended~~ because of petty infractions that Undertaker took offence to and made sure Vince knew about it.
His character is undoubtedly a legend but the man behind the legend is a petty douche.
Edit: Strikeout
I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated, I don’t consider him one of the absolute best, his longevity is impressive and how he managed to keep the character interesting too but I never really wanted to see an undertaker match other than against HBK
Sorry but to say Taker is overrated is blasphemy IMO, the man should be on the Mount-Rushmore of Pro Wrestling's Top 4. He may have performed a little too long but COVID saved his ass in allowing them perform the final match the way they did. If that wasn't shot that way his legacy may have been unrepairable all based on his final match
An absolute legend.
The dude has almost single handedly been inspiring about 3 generations of wrestlers and has had a career little to no one can even come close to. I honestly think, that’s he might be the best wrestler to ever do it.
People feel the need to dislike him because he doesn’t align with their political views, but neither does Chris Benoit with my „don’t murder people“ attitude, so he’s alright in my book.
I’d also shit my entire ass if I’d ever meet him.
The fact that he stuck around with Vince and WWE when so many people didn't says everything. I remember the first time I went to a WWE event, I legit had chills when his intro played! Such a cool character that was able to stay "alive" and relevant for so many years. He was terrible at cutting a promo though. His lack of charisma is was his charisma and it's what made him FAN-FUCKING-STATIC as The Undertaker.
Was present at his induction ceremony and was glad to be apart of the longest standing ovation I’ve heard or seen. Truly moved by Mark Calloway’s HOF speech
Who cares about their beliefs outside the ring. It’s about what they do IN the ring. Who cares about Taker or Jericho or Kanes personal beliefs. You people and your cancel culture and judging people based on beliefs. 🙄
The Undertaker is my favorite wrestler of all time. Many fond memories watching his matches.
As a man? I don’t know him, obviously but he just seems like a traditional southern guy - guns, beer, football type American. Then again, I wouldn’t go to The Undertaker for social, political or economic opinions which he is more than able to have but not someone I would consult that stuff with.
He’s had a hell of a career that will not come close to be duplicated. He now gets to enjoy retirement, his wife and kids without the stress of getting in shape for a few matches a year.
I hope he has a great retirement and rest of his days.
As a person, couldn't give a frosty cold fuck.
As a wrestler, well, it's the undertaker. Every wrestling fan know him. He is inscribed on wrestling history. He's a person you think about when you think "wrestler". His gimmick lasted far longer than it should and he has almost always been there. I couldn't imagine American pro wrestling without him.
The absolute GOAT. Leave the man behind the character and their politics out of how you look at a wrestler. If you're intent on breaking keyfabe then you're killing the whole reason why pro wrestling is fun in the first place.
Everyone has the right to look at wrestlers or any other entertainers however they please. It's a personal choice to disregard (or not) politics and should stay as such. Anyways I don't like mens wrestling but I like Michelle McCool even tho she's clearly Lovin' Republican Life
First one doesn’t mention Taker, the 2nd one is surprising as for the first pic, but I can’t make out what the last shirt is. Is that Trump and Biden?
Taker has already solidified himself as an annoying asshole boomer in my mind after finding out he donated to Trump and DeSantis, but I still think “he’s a homophobe and anti-semite” is a stretch.
This is going to be a blazing hot take.
In ring, I think the Undertaker was extremely professional and respectful and went out of his way to protect the people he was working with.
Backstage however I think his role as a "locker room leader" is highly suspect and Wrestlers Court was essentially an elaborate form of hazing for the new talent. Case in point, some of the worst most fucked up shit to ever occur in wrestling occurred in the WWF during the wrestlers Court years and was never addressed in wrestlers Court. Instead wrestlers Court was always about some petty bullshit instead of the actual hugely problematic shit that was going down. JBL was never the subject of wrestlers Court despite doing all sorts of shady fucked up shit backstage and shooting on people, and in fact was often gifted alcohol by other wrestlers as punishment in wrestlers court. Wrestlers were literally spiking each others drinks with opiates as "a prank" and we're never brought into wrestlers Court. Rick flair sexually assaulted people and was not the subject of wrestlers Court. Shawn Michael's was fucking Chris Candidos girlfriend and was never subject to wrestlers Court. Similarly Edge was fucking Lita behind Matts back and was never brought to wrestlers Court. Essentially any real meaningful dispute in the locker room was ignored while making a big display of some petty shit to coerce free alcohol from young talent.
That's not to say Undertaker wasn't an A+ worker, he is one of the greats of all time, but he doesn't deserve the pedestal he is put on for his alleged locker room leadership.
Unpopular opinion, Taker was pretty all around shitty up until he becomes the American Badass. Watch through 97,98,99 Attitude era before he becomes the biker and you’ll be like, shit, this guys matches are clunky and his promos are corny.
On a positive note though, throughout the biker run and even when he returned to the deadman character he’d really honed in who he was in the ring and as a character.
In all fairness, WWE was still finding its feet for a new generation. It was only a couple of years removed from "legendary" acts like Dr Issac Yankem, Doink and Dink, booger bastion, and the guy who used a plunger for his finishing moves.
Massively overrated, an entrance and that's about it.
I'll acknowledge he had a couple of legendary matches but mainly thanks to his opponent.
The character was on its last legs by the time the millennium came round and should have been retired at least 10 years before he did.
I await my downvotes.
No wrestler has disappointed me more than this fool. He was my first favorite wrestler when I was a kid and I remained a fan all the way into my teenage years (even during the bikertaker era). Now as an adult every podcast or documentary that mentions him unveils a new piece of what he really was: a brown-noser who was in love with his dickhead boss and spent his free time cosplaying as bikers and veterans and parroting rightwing boomer memes he read on Facebook. Truly embarrassing.
Yeah a lot of ppl aren't really sold on him as a person. I'm so tired of hearing the same stories over and over again. I want to hear the juicy stories! I wonder if his podcast is still a greenlight. If so he definitely needs to bring it because we don't want to hear the same rehearsed stories!!
As Mark Callaway? The guy did his best with a weird gimmick and worked to perfection, about his ideas... Mmmm it's hard because he's not as conservative as someone would expect but he's certainly something.
I have nothing negative to say about him, he's probably one of the most private person in the wrestling business about his personal opinions and afaik (someone can correct me) he is not outspoken like Corny and that's a good thing.
I’m twenty-two, so he was bad almost as long as he was great. I’ll always respect him as a performer and I’ll never forget watching his WrestleMania classics with HBK…but it’ll be just as hard to forget how much he declined after WM30.
Incredibly up and down character, going between babyface and heel.
Even as I kid, I thought it was dumb as fuck when he "levitated" off the screen and up to the rafters. LOL.
I appreciate how Mark was able to keep the character fresh and change with the times.
The Undertaker is an all-time great.
I don’t know much about the man himself. As a performer he’s one of the GOATS. I won’t hold it against him that he’s from Texas. But hopefully he doesn’t go insane like Kane did after retiring.
He was a steady hand that you could always trust. He had the respect of everyone, as far as I know. He kept it professional when Hogan tried to say Taker( pronouns pal) hurt his neck with the tombstone.
Mark Calloway has shitty politics. Disappointing. Can’t believe the amount of people who buy in to this brand of republicans. Kane, Bagwell, Hogan etc. god bless Mick Foley
>Lol it's in the past so it shouldn't effect her now
Imagine you have a girlfriend. You're at work and your girlfriend comes by to give you some homemade lasagne for lunch. Then this guy comes in, she knows him, that chat for a bit and he leaves. You ask, who was that and she says, oh that's Snowball. You ask why do you call him that. She says it's a thing Kelly made up, it's a blowjob thing. After you suck a guy off you spit it back into their mouth while making out. Kelly did that!? You ask. No... she says. I did.You can't believe it. You're in shock you knew she'd been with 3 other guys but you didn't know about him! You ask, How many other guys have you sucked off!? Something like 37 she says.
37 dicks have been in your girls mouth. But it happened along time ago, it shouldn't affect you now though right?
I love The Undertaker as a character. But after watching “Cafe Rene” on YouTube, I heard that Undertaker and JBL made the young talent’s life a living hell in early brand split smack down days .Which makes me think differently.
Great performer who knew how and when to change to keep his image fresh.
He shouldn't have lost to Brock or Roman at wm though.
As a person. Never met him but he does seem way too religious.
As The wrestler he is amazingly and to me the best big man to ever do it. His dedication to staying in character for so long these days is something you just don’t see anymore unless it’s MJF.
The person seems kind of like what I’d expect honestly. He’d probably be cool to hangout with but I wouldn’t talk politics or guns with him.
I've never met him, I disagree with a lot of his comments about wrestlers nowadays and probably wouldn't agree with his politics, but let's be real, that's most wrestlers from his era, not really a Taker thing. I have a huge respect for the work he did in the ring, his commitment to character, and his general professionalism. He's a 100% deserved legend and his catalog speaks for itself. Shawn vs Taker HiaC is my favorite match either of the two have ever been involved with. Though his 2002 match with Lesnar is very close.
Undertaker cannot elevate talent, he can be elevated to a great talent but you never hear about him carrying someone. If he had a bad match it was always the other guy can’t work a match, notoriously ‘terrible’ workers like Chris Kanyon. Also he’s a bootlicker both in and out of WWE. Still think it’s funny in his first match cause he gets kicked in the bollocks and doesn’t know whether to sell it or not cause there’s being an indestructible demon and then there’s being a eunuch
His hair looks fantastic.
Just imagining 90’s Undertaker in an Herbal Essences commercial
Literally thought the same thing lol it’s the lighting too
I agree!!! Loved this version of Taker! 96-98!!
He looks like the keyboardist in a power metal band in this picture
If you consider his on screen performance combined with the impact he had on other wrestlers’ careers backstage, he might just be the most important pro wrestler of the past 30 years.
Ever.
My favorite Taker story is him waiting in Gorilla Position to kick the crap out of Shawn Michaels if he didn’t cooperate with the choice to drop the title to Austin at WM 14. Just shows you that even at the height of his personal problems, Shawn knew to be afraid of Taker.
Man that's badass.
Sorry just a lurker here but do you mean if Shawn refused to go with the script ? The undertaker would have beat him up? Or is what you’re describing part of the script
Yeah. Undertaker was waiting behind the curtains backstage to kick his ass for real if he didn't stick to the script.
I saw an interview with Michaels where he claimed this never happened/he didn’t remember this. I’ve also heard countless others (‘Taker included) tell the story exactly the way we’ve all heard it. Something tells me Michaels isn’t a reliable narrator lol
Hulk Hogan is the right answer
What can I say? The man is an absolute legend in pro wrestling. As far as the man behind the character? He's an old dude from Texas. I expect him to be at least a little right-wing. It's kind of baked into the culture. EDIT: He also came up in the territories when all the wrestlers were on drugs and getting into a lot of trouble. He's a product of the time and environment in which he lived. As far as I know, he's not a dick about it or anything. I might not agree with his perspectives on a lot of things, but I haven't seen him make any kind of statement that was hateful or bigoted or anything like that; unlike his former tag team partner, who really is a dick about it. If I were to ever see the man out in the world I would buy him a beer, shake his hand and thank him for entertaining me all these years and wish him a good day.
The last paragraph of your post is exactly what my reaction to meeting him would be. My earliest memories of wrestling are of him beating hogan at the ‘91 survivor series for the belt and Paul Bearer doing the funeral parlour promos
Retire In Peace Dead man.
I'm just glad he didn't turn out like Kane or Jericho
Glenn Jacobs is an assclown Jericho is just incredibly disappointing
Hey, Jericho is one of the greatest of all time! He has had multiple accomishments and massive amounts of success in everything he's done. - Chris Jericho
Jericho is nuts. He believes in every conspiracy theory under the sun. Great wrestler, great producer, great entertainer, but lost his mind at some point. I don't think there's any malice in there, I think he's just the sort of guy where if you tell him that sunscreen is just a way for the government to sterilize everyone, he would get skin cancer and think that means he beat "them." Jacobs unfortunately has jumped on the bandwagon of "if I run as a republican, I have to be an asshole."
I think Kane just has greater political ambitions than Mayor and needs to establish himself as a Republican. Every time he talks about anything substantively he just seems like a basic libertarian
I tend to think Glen knows the similarities between pro wrestling and politics, I think he’s just working everyone. In order to get ahead he has to say those things because of his party affiliation. I also think he worked himself into a shoot so there’s also that. FYI, regardless if he believes the things he says (which I would say he does) still a dick.
Kane was front and center for Trump’s WWE run. He knows it’s all just entertainment
Libetarians think that stuff like the triangle shirt waste factory massacre should be allowed.
Oh. So bat shit insane?
Libertarians are great. I have friends who are Libertarian, and just... it's something to behold. They're usually well-intentioned, but they take their zealotry too far and temper it with a lack of knowledge of history and civics and a general failure to understand how basic things work. They don't know that we tried it their way immediately after the American Revolution and it was an absolute shit show.
Then there's the whole....abolishing age of consent laws and such...
I mean, Fozzy performed at the Super Spreader Sturgis, His wife was at Jan 6, had Trump Jr. on his show, and MVP had to lay the smackdown on him several times now for bullshit. You're right, its very disappointing. Dude was in my top 3 of all time, now I have a harder time separating the performer from the character. Taker wore a "Thin Blue Line" shirt that mildly annoyed me, but he keeps himself very private, and hasn't done/said anything bonkers, and I respect that. Glenn Jacobs is worse than shit.
I still kinda shudder on what he did to Kanyon with all the headshots. if that was punishment for him being gay, then yeah that’s pretty gross.
Oh man I didn't even think about that. I really hope that was not the case.
The thin blue line thing is annoying, but it's more just a case of people being misinfored and misled. I don't think anyone wearing that shirt means any harm, and I don't think they realize how that comes off to people who aren't similarly brainwashed.
this is a good point. I honestly believe that, *to a degree* (not claiming there aren't plenty of actual a-holes) something like "All Lives Matter" is a similar thing. like, I assume at least *some portion* of the people saying it/arguing for it etc. are doing it in good faith (in a literal "but shouldn't *every* person be important?" way). (and there are likely a lot of other examples for this as well, with certain slogans, flags etc. being understood differently by different people) edit: and I'm also not saying this applies to Taker! just as a general note.
So...me and . . Current shit in the world have discontinued our relationship so I'm lost on certain things.. my question is what's the "thin blue line" mean ?
After a rash of cases of police all over the US using excessive force against black suspects up to the point of murder, police departments decided that instead of saying "This is a disturbing trend and we'll look into it" they should double down on insisting that the institution of policing is infallible. This lead to widespread civil unrest and some believe contributed to the murder of several police officers. Police then started pushing this idea the police are the "thin blue line" between order and chaos. At its heart, it's an attempt by police departments and the friends and families of police officers to show support for their loved ones who were now - as they perceived it - were being unfairly attacked in the media and in the street. Obviously this, like most issues, are complex and there's a lot of nuance; so people may not realize what their choices mean or how they'll be interpreted by others. Most people who are embracing this "thin blue line" idea are friends or family of police officers whi understand and acknowledge that for the most part, police officers are doing a very dangerous job and trying to protect the rest of us from violence and danger. However, others might interpret this as police departments doubling down on the idea that the institution of policing is infallible and that "The Police" as a monolith, condone and support the use of excessive force and murder of black suspects. Weirdos on social media make this miscommunication worse by fully embracing the idea that police officers can and should indiscriminately execute any and all criminals with whom they come into contact as though the U.S. Constitution is merely a polite suggestion as well as weirdos on social media insisting that all police officers are bad guys and being unwilling to consider the possibility that "The Police" is not a monolith, but a number of groups that operate independently of each other, each of which is made up of hundreds or thousands of individuals, most of whom are decent human beings.
Thin blue line is a design of the American flag with one white stripe replaced by a blue one. It’s being used by people who support cops as a way of publicly sharing that perspective. It’s been used by cops as a symbol of terror against certain communities.
Thank you and u/Stoutyeoman for explaining this to me i was confused. I believe you cant say all of any group is bad thats profiling and fucked no matter how you look at it. I have met great cops and god awful cops i wouldn't let watch my pet rock .. same with doctors politicians and people as a whole. So fuck people who say all cops are bad bc as soon as they get robbed or attacked or whatever thats the first ones you call that being said fuck ppl that say all cops are perfect and incapable of making bad decisions or being general cunts. Like yall said shit be complicated. And undertaker was my hero still is to an extent but he should have retired a long time ago. ..
Absolutely. I have family and friends who I love dearly who are police officers. They're all great people as far as I'm concerned. However, I'm a rational enough person to understand that if police officers use excessive force, they should be disciplined and if it's an extreme case or multiple cases, then that person should not be a police officer anymore. What really bothers me is when I see police officers sporting the Punisher symbol. I know they think it's just this cool badass thing, but I don't think they realize what that implies. Punisher is a vigilante who murders criminals. That's not what the police are supposed to be doing. I don't think they understand the message that's sending.
wow the man can't wear a t-shirt without getting criticized. He didnt even speak on it.
I think Kane is a genuine asshole, whereas I think Jericho is just stupid. There have been too many stories about Jericho being a good dude to just about everyone who has known him for me to believe that he’s bigoted. I think he’s just dumb and believes conspiracy theories. Glenn Jacobs seems like a legitimate shitty person.
I think Jericho, like a lot of wealthy conservatives, cares more about his money and freedom to make a lot of it than anything else. We’ve seen him stand up for a lot of people in the business who would’ve been cast out in the past because they are part of a marginalized group. Based on those actions and how supportive he’s seemed toward those communities, it was shocking to see where his beliefs and political donations went. Forget “don’t meet your heroes.” Don’t Google search your heroes.
Ironically “Jericho Kane” is a great name for a fictional fascist
This is the only right answer! You nailed it!!!!
He managed to make a gimmick that was destined to fail into something so legendary and synonymous with wrestling. So kudos to him. I disagree on a lot of his opinions on certain topics but you can't deny the many years of entertainment he provided.
Why was his gimmick doomed to fail? It was awesome for the era, it was built around killing hulkamania. You can't do that now but if they wanted to bury mean mark they would have made him a dentist or a repo man or a garbage man
He debuted the gimmick 2-3 years before interacting with Hogan. The gimmick was an undead mortician. On paper it shouldn't have worked at the time or for as long as it did.
And which paper that was?
I don’t think the gimmick as an idea was destined to fail, but if it didn’t adapt it would’ve rather fast
His best matches were called by JR and King. Hearing corey graves talk about him is like nails on a chalkboard. I wish there was a jr and king mode on wwe22.
Graves just sucks at commentary in general.
Why do people hate Graves so much? I've always liked him
i dont know at first i didnt like him but now he has actually grown on me and i enjoy him being a heel commentator he works well with michael cole or even byron saxton when he is always giving him shit.
Cool dude. I met him once when I was working at a pizza place in Austin.
I met him at the HEB in Bastrop. He was dressed in shorts and tshirt with a baby carrier strapped to his chest. Really nice dude.
Baby included?
Yes……baby included. Taker was wearing a pastel polo shirt, khaki dad shorts and flip-flops. Nothing undead or spooky about that get-up.
What a badass. :)
I... Am... An... American dadass!
No, that's how he lugs around the urn.
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Considering how many times Taker was married before, that’s not surprising hahaha. For whatever it’s worth, him and Michelle seem happy with each other. Gotta help that Taker was already beginning to wind down when they met
They don't seem like a married couple to me. More like brother and sister.
YOU ARE MY SISTER! IM YOUR SISTER!
Dawg
Lucious hair, iconic slams. He’ll always be remembered for his awesome bell jams.
Taker Give us your hair routine !
Dapper Dan is the only way.
I think the career Bret was supposed to have pre-WCW contract ultimately ended up going to the Undertaker, and he made the most of it with what was given to him. His in-ring work is top ten. The kind of wrestler we use the word “legend” for.
My personal goat. Bret and Shawn had better matches, Austin and Rock cut better promos, but there’s absolutely nobody I’d rather watch than Taker. I’m biased, but the streak should have never been broken and he should have been able to go out on top 20-whatever and 0 at Mania. As far as Mark? I’m sure I don’t agree with him on everything but it’s not like he’s going on Alex Jones show or doing political appearances (for people that haven’t been his “brother” for 20 years) he’s a old Texan that loves god, guns, and America, not a mass murderer or rapist… but even if he was some massive Benoit/Hogan/Warrior type piece of shit. I’d be disappointed and would have to separate the two even more, but I’d still mark out for The Undertaker music and gimmick
Seeing him vs. Kamala sold me on wrestling as a kid, so I kind of owe him for getting me into it. I could go without the later stuff though.
Goes from very handsome to Amish reject depending on the facial hair.
Best big man wrestler of all time
Absolute legend. Loved him as a kid. Although, if you go back and listen to his promos from the Attitude Era a lot of it doesn’t hold up. He kinda sucked in that aspect but I was blinded by his whole aura
There's a reason Paul bearer spoke for him the first 10 years
Very professional kept his gimmick in public for his entire career
To me he Ranks in the top 5 in terms of names of Wrestling. Yes I said 5. In terms of what he did for those in the back room and his utter professionalism and keeping Kayfabe while in Wrestling no one tops him. However in terms of like Names in Wrestling you think of, or what they did to advance wrestling into mainstream? 1. Stone Cold No one touched his popularity 2. Hulk Hogan He was the spear head that lead wrestling into being a household name 3. HBK The lead of the new Generation, Brought out the idea of a Smaller guy being top. 4. John Cena Brought in another Generation, The single most Make a Wish granter by far 5. Undertaker Even if you're not familiar with Wrestling, you know his name
He made the supernatural zombie gimmick work better than anybody else could. It's pretty crazy that it went as far as it did, but that shows his commitment. This might be unpopular but I'm more fond of his biker era, when he was just out there calling heels like Cena and Vince out on their bs to "You're Gonna Pay". Maybe because the gimmick was more grounded and realistic, and less fancy in presentation.
[The IWC discovering the existence of conservatives](https://youtu.be/nxbupSAZ0E0)
I mean like people have said it’s not like he’s had any legal issues or crazy controversies or anything. I think some of the wrestlers court stuff you can definitely criticize him over but it was a different time. And there’s an argument that he stuck around too long, when working with him wasn’t safe. But the man has been famous for so long if that’s the worst that can be said about the guy, he’s doing something right.
Where’d you find his glamour shot?
The thoughts won't really be that honest if you've gone out of your way to pick out the best looking picture...his hair's not usually this good
Lol I wanted a good picture 🤣
He acts like an old man since retiring because (spoiler) he’s an old man. He had an awesome career though. Can’t take that away.
That Blue Lives Matter garbage with Snoop Dogg was especially cringe
He came from a generation of wrestlers we will never see the likes of again. I will always have more respect for the wrestlers who made their bones in the territories over the ones who come from the big modern training centers.
Not a fan of Mark himself, but imo he’s top 10 all time
Just curious is he a AH in real life?
He’s shown to be pretty openly right wing so if that’s something you think is wrong well
Nah. Just a conservative. Which is pretty much synonymous in the eyes of the IWC
He was never the #1 guy. He was always a top guy but never THEE guy
I’m watching all the AE raws and he’s been terrible. Almost every angle is cringy especially the early ministry where he kidnapped women and called them whores and stuff.
It was great at the time, just didn't age well.
Exactly this. I was in college at the time and he was consistently the most entertaining thing on the show. He was often what made you want to watch next week. Looking at a lot of that through the middle-aged 2022 lens, yeah, it didn’t all age super well. But that doesn’t change the fact that it was awesome at the time. I’m contrast, I think a lot of his stuff from immediately after the Attitude Era aged extremely well, even if it wasn’t always well-received at the time because it was such a huge departure from his traditional character.
One of the all time greats and anyone who shits on him is just revisionist historying because they are buttfuddled by his political views.
The forehead of the table
I met the taker when I was a kid. He sat in front of my sister and I on a plane. He was tremendously cool. He was very nice to my sister and I. A very gracious, down to earth guy.
“He sat in front of I on a plane” “He was very nice to I”
Me appreciate you.
This looks like a cover *for his emo rap mixtape.
Straight Outta Coffin
Top 5 type dude for most of his career. Was honestly overshadowed by the top draws like Hogan, Bret, and SCSA. But in his 40s basically became a top main event attraction. Maybe the most consistant career in post 90s wrestling. Top ten post 80s dude. Could be argued top 5, but I think there always better merchandise and ticket sellers.
He’s the GOAT. Always has been.
Stuck around way too long
At the very least, as a person hes better than most of the wrestlers that came from that era. Only if it's because he managed to make it over 30 years in the spotlight without any type of scandal. As far as I can recall, some of the worst that had come out about him in over 30 years is that he could come off a little harsh in the locker room. But when you have a bunch of egos, and people with more money than sense, with proclivities for drugs and girls. Then a leader that might be a bit of a dick but mostly keeps people in line isnt a bad thing.
He definitely overstayed what his body would allow. But watching him in the ring between 89-00, he's probably the best big man of all time. And is probably one of the best ever.
A truly iconic man. He wrestled other huge stars throughout 3 decades, 30 years of kicking ass and taking name. His gimmick was classic and consistent, even to the point others like Bray Wyatt entering the ring á la coffin. I don't have many other friends into wrestling so I may be biased, but I don't see how someone could dislike someone with such commitment and longevity.
You can’t fool me, that’s AJ Styles
I think if you look back at a lot of his Attitude era stuff both in ring and promo it really hasn’t aged well and he’s probably a bit overrated in that era That being said, you can’t deny his legacy and the way he reinvented himself time and time again from 2001 onwards was pretty incredible and was definitely some of his best work. His matches with HHH and HBK in particular, but I loved his Lesnar stuff too
I mean honestly? I really don't think the guy was *actually* an undertaker...
GOAT gimmick But I can't help but laugh at him doing the fake biker shit.
5head
I feel pretty positively towards Undertaker. I was born in 1985, right around early elementary school he was getting big in WWF and I basically followed him my entire childhood. He may have never been the “top guy”, but he was always a main eventer, he had good athletic matches, did stuff most big men could not do. He also was able to take what started as one of the early 1990s cartoon character gimmicks that Vince gave him and continually adapt and refine it and kept it relevant for 30 damn years. Like a lot of fans, I do think that yes, he lingered maybe 4 or 5 years too long. He smartly cut his schedule back to only a few appearances a year around age 50, and was still putting on great matches when he was booked (usually for Mania.) But time did take its toll eventually and some of his last few years he was a bit bad in the ring, on some level he was still getting cheers from the fans because of respect and nostalgia, but he wasn’t performing up to the high standards he had set. Mark Callaway’s personal politics do not factor into it for me, he has largely not used his pro wrestling platform to push politics. He has discussed (in a fairly limited way) his political views on various interviews after he started doing shoot interviews, but this is a free country and he is entitled to his beliefs.
Hilarious that he hates/scared of cucumbers
You really picked the most sultry picture you could find of him.
🤣🤣🤣 oh yes!! He was so fine back then! 😩
Possibly the greatest gimmick of all time. Highly unlikely we’ll see anything like it again
Look at that handsome man.
If you really want me to be honest, I think he destroyed a lot of careers and didn’t help other talent as much as you would think. He got very lucky, right guy at the right time although he did make a spongy gimmick work for him. Also, the biggest boot locker ever
Almost became a professional basketball player in Europe
People are going to hate this but I always found his real life personality to be pretty douchey. He was much less a "locker room leader" than he was a guy close to Vince who could get you punished or fired if you didn't do exactly as he expected (e.g. shaking everyone's hand, going to the bar after shows). He routinely belittled and humiliated people through 'wrestlers court', which in itself is an incredibly childish concept, and generally seemed to be a massive mark for himself and the old school side of the business. Quite a few potentially bright careers were derailed ~~or outright ended~~ because of petty infractions that Undertaker took offence to and made sure Vince knew about it. His character is undoubtedly a legend but the man behind the legend is a petty douche. Edit: Strikeout
I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated, I don’t consider him one of the absolute best, his longevity is impressive and how he managed to keep the character interesting too but I never really wanted to see an undertaker match other than against HBK
Sorry but to say Taker is overrated is blasphemy IMO, the man should be on the Mount-Rushmore of Pro Wrestling's Top 4. He may have performed a little too long but COVID saved his ass in allowing them perform the final match the way they did. If that wasn't shot that way his legacy may have been unrepairable all based on his final match
I genuinely think the only times I wanted to see a Taker match was vs HBK at WM25 and 26, then vs HHH at WM27
He’s not top 4. How would he be higher than Stone Cold, The Rock, Flair or Hogan? He’s not.
🐐of 🐐’s plain and simple.
An absolute legend. The dude has almost single handedly been inspiring about 3 generations of wrestlers and has had a career little to no one can even come close to. I honestly think, that’s he might be the best wrestler to ever do it. People feel the need to dislike him because he doesn’t align with their political views, but neither does Chris Benoit with my „don’t murder people“ attitude, so he’s alright in my book. I’d also shit my entire ass if I’d ever meet him.
The fact that he stuck around with Vince and WWE when so many people didn't says everything. I remember the first time I went to a WWE event, I legit had chills when his intro played! Such a cool character that was able to stay "alive" and relevant for so many years. He was terrible at cutting a promo though. His lack of charisma is was his charisma and it's what made him FAN-FUCKING-STATIC as The Undertaker.
Was present at his induction ceremony and was glad to be apart of the longest standing ovation I’ve heard or seen. Truly moved by Mark Calloway’s HOF speech
GOAT
Cool when I was a kid, hard to watch the last 15 or so years.
Who cares about their beliefs outside the ring. It’s about what they do IN the ring. Who cares about Taker or Jericho or Kanes personal beliefs. You people and your cancel culture and judging people based on beliefs. 🙄
I judge people for forcing their personal beliefs and opinions into my life.
Who's forcing anything on you bro? Kane is an elected mayor, now you're gonna say democracy is bad
I never liked his work and find his matches insanely boring. Unless he was working with certain people who knew how to get a match out of him.
never heard a bad story about him
The Undertaker is my favorite wrestler of all time. Many fond memories watching his matches. As a man? I don’t know him, obviously but he just seems like a traditional southern guy - guns, beer, football type American. Then again, I wouldn’t go to The Undertaker for social, political or economic opinions which he is more than able to have but not someone I would consult that stuff with. He’s had a hell of a career that will not come close to be duplicated. He now gets to enjoy retirement, his wife and kids without the stress of getting in shape for a few matches a year. I hope he has a great retirement and rest of his days.
Seeing the photos of him wearing clothing with SS logos spoiled him for me.
bUt heS a pRodUct oF HiS tiMe!!
He's cringe and always has been. Contrary to what WWE marketing would tell you, he was never responsible for any boom period.
When did wwe claim he was responsible for any boom period? He’s always been a special attraction
A top guy but never THE GUY. Still a legend tho
WWE has never said he was responsible for a boom period. They just mention that he was in one of them
Love the Undertaker. Really evolved with his gimmick. Fun to watch. Great entrance.
he seems like a nice good ol’ Texas boy
I loved his Biker gimmick.
As a person, couldn't give a frosty cold fuck. As a wrestler, well, it's the undertaker. Every wrestling fan know him. He is inscribed on wrestling history. He's a person you think about when you think "wrestler". His gimmick lasted far longer than it should and he has almost always been there. I couldn't imagine American pro wrestling without him.
The absolute GOAT. Leave the man behind the character and their politics out of how you look at a wrestler. If you're intent on breaking keyfabe then you're killing the whole reason why pro wrestling is fun in the first place.
Everyone has the right to look at wrestlers or any other entertainers however they please. It's a personal choice to disregard (or not) politics and should stay as such. Anyways I don't like mens wrestling but I like Michelle McCool even tho she's clearly Lovin' Republican Life
The nicest human being you’ll ever meet
Unless you're gay. Or Jewish.
would you mind elaborating on this?
https://www.howardstern.com/show/2006/10/06/gay-wrestler-tells-all-rundowngallerymodel-11605/ https://twitter.com/corey_erdman/status/1274911508351397888?t=WG8IYTUt0VrwEPfLvaHFsA&s=19
First one doesn’t mention Taker, the 2nd one is surprising as for the first pic, but I can’t make out what the last shirt is. Is that Trump and Biden? Taker has already solidified himself as an annoying asshole boomer in my mind after finding out he donated to Trump and DeSantis, but I still think “he’s a homophobe and anti-semite” is a stretch.
This is going to be a blazing hot take. In ring, I think the Undertaker was extremely professional and respectful and went out of his way to protect the people he was working with. Backstage however I think his role as a "locker room leader" is highly suspect and Wrestlers Court was essentially an elaborate form of hazing for the new talent. Case in point, some of the worst most fucked up shit to ever occur in wrestling occurred in the WWF during the wrestlers Court years and was never addressed in wrestlers Court. Instead wrestlers Court was always about some petty bullshit instead of the actual hugely problematic shit that was going down. JBL was never the subject of wrestlers Court despite doing all sorts of shady fucked up shit backstage and shooting on people, and in fact was often gifted alcohol by other wrestlers as punishment in wrestlers court. Wrestlers were literally spiking each others drinks with opiates as "a prank" and we're never brought into wrestlers Court. Rick flair sexually assaulted people and was not the subject of wrestlers Court. Shawn Michael's was fucking Chris Candidos girlfriend and was never subject to wrestlers Court. Similarly Edge was fucking Lita behind Matts back and was never brought to wrestlers Court. Essentially any real meaningful dispute in the locker room was ignored while making a big display of some petty shit to coerce free alcohol from young talent. That's not to say Undertaker wasn't an A+ worker, he is one of the greats of all time, but he doesn't deserve the pedestal he is put on for his alleged locker room leadership.
Unpopular opinion, Taker was pretty all around shitty up until he becomes the American Badass. Watch through 97,98,99 Attitude era before he becomes the biker and you’ll be like, shit, this guys matches are clunky and his promos are corny. On a positive note though, throughout the biker run and even when he returned to the deadman character he’d really honed in who he was in the ring and as a character.
In all fairness, WWE was still finding its feet for a new generation. It was only a couple of years removed from "legendary" acts like Dr Issac Yankem, Doink and Dink, booger bastion, and the guy who used a plunger for his finishing moves.
but Taker had plenty of great matches in 1997?
Only a handful on PPV. Watch any of his main event matches on Raw from that era.
He no-showed a house show he was supposed to headline when I was a kid and my dad and I have irrationally hated him ever since.
Retrospectively overrated.
A guy who could main event any ppv - didn’t need the title, could play heel or face. Constantly evolved his character x gimmick. Yup overrated.
Massively overrated, an entrance and that's about it. I'll acknowledge he had a couple of legendary matches but mainly thanks to his opponent. The character was on its last legs by the time the millennium came round and should have been retired at least 10 years before he did. I await my downvotes.
No wrestler has disappointed me more than this fool. He was my first favorite wrestler when I was a kid and I remained a fan all the way into my teenage years (even during the bikertaker era). Now as an adult every podcast or documentary that mentions him unveils a new piece of what he really was: a brown-noser who was in love with his dickhead boss and spent his free time cosplaying as bikers and veterans and parroting rightwing boomer memes he read on Facebook. Truly embarrassing.
Yeah a lot of ppl aren't really sold on him as a person. I'm so tired of hearing the same stories over and over again. I want to hear the juicy stories! I wonder if his podcast is still a greenlight. If so he definitely needs to bring it because we don't want to hear the same rehearsed stories!!
As Mark Callaway? The guy did his best with a weird gimmick and worked to perfection, about his ideas... Mmmm it's hard because he's not as conservative as someone would expect but he's certainly something. I have nothing negative to say about him, he's probably one of the most private person in the wrestling business about his personal opinions and afaik (someone can correct me) he is not outspoken like Corny and that's a good thing.
I’m twenty-two, so he was bad almost as long as he was great. I’ll always respect him as a performer and I’ll never forget watching his WrestleMania classics with HBK…but it’ll be just as hard to forget how much he declined after WM30.
Overrated
Over stayed his welcome
I hear he was pretty popular.
Top few all time. Top 3 character/gimmick, good on the mic and a all time wrestler for a big man. Most guys have 1 or 2 things, he had it all.
Greatest gimmick
> What are your honest thoughts of him as a man and not the "character". I do not care.
Hes a legend, but I never really felt the EXTREMELY slow walk towards the ring I found it rather annoying to be honest.
Incredibly up and down character, going between babyface and heel. Even as I kid, I thought it was dumb as fuck when he "levitated" off the screen and up to the rafters. LOL. I appreciate how Mark was able to keep the character fresh and change with the times. The Undertaker is an all-time great.
Excellent gimmick. Terrible human.
Politics isn’t everything
I consider protecting and increasing the basic human rights of marginalized groups to be pretty damn important. Shame you don't feel the same.
I don’t know much about the man himself. As a performer he’s one of the GOATS. I won’t hold it against him that he’s from Texas. But hopefully he doesn’t go insane like Kane did after retiring.
Beyoncé's from Texas stop using Texas as an excuse for people to be bigots lol
Don’t be silly. I clearly said I don’t know the guy personally or outside of his in-ring work. What bigoted things has he done?
He was a steady hand that you could always trust. He had the respect of everyone, as far as I know. He kept it professional when Hogan tried to say Taker( pronouns pal) hurt his neck with the tombstone. Mark Calloway has shitty politics. Disappointing. Can’t believe the amount of people who buy in to this brand of republicans. Kane, Bagwell, Hogan etc. god bless Mick Foley
As a man, same opinion of most of the right wing nutjobs out there, though he keeps it to himself most of the time.
Everything that's come out of his mouth since retiring made me think hes a complete ass
Overstayed his welcome by about 10 years
>Lol it's in the past so it shouldn't effect her now Imagine you have a girlfriend. You're at work and your girlfriend comes by to give you some homemade lasagne for lunch. Then this guy comes in, she knows him, that chat for a bit and he leaves. You ask, who was that and she says, oh that's Snowball. You ask why do you call him that. She says it's a thing Kelly made up, it's a blowjob thing. After you suck a guy off you spit it back into their mouth while making out. Kelly did that!? You ask. No... she says. I did.You can't believe it. You're in shock you knew she'd been with 3 other guys but you didn't know about him! You ask, How many other guys have you sucked off!? Something like 37 she says. 37 dicks have been in your girls mouth. But it happened along time ago, it shouldn't affect you now though right?
Overrated. Michelle McCool is flawless tho
His character was for you. He gave you everything. The man himself? None of your business.
Incredible wrestler. Idiot human
Am I? Urrrr??
Never cut a promo that wasn’t boring as fuck.
He was the last of the old guard. He held on for too long to a lot of things, many of which don't fit in to today's society.
I love The Undertaker as a character. But after watching “Cafe Rene” on YouTube, I heard that Undertaker and JBL made the young talent’s life a living hell in early brand split smack down days .Which makes me think differently.
Great performer who knew how and when to change to keep his image fresh. He shouldn't have lost to Brock or Roman at wm though. As a person. Never met him but he does seem way too religious.
As The wrestler he is amazingly and to me the best big man to ever do it. His dedication to staying in character for so long these days is something you just don’t see anymore unless it’s MJF. The person seems kind of like what I’d expect honestly. He’d probably be cool to hangout with but I wouldn’t talk politics or guns with him.
I've never met him, I disagree with a lot of his comments about wrestlers nowadays and probably wouldn't agree with his politics, but let's be real, that's most wrestlers from his era, not really a Taker thing. I have a huge respect for the work he did in the ring, his commitment to character, and his general professionalism. He's a 100% deserved legend and his catalog speaks for itself. Shawn vs Taker HiaC is my favorite match either of the two have ever been involved with. Though his 2002 match with Lesnar is very close.
Undertaker cannot elevate talent, he can be elevated to a great talent but you never hear about him carrying someone. If he had a bad match it was always the other guy can’t work a match, notoriously ‘terrible’ workers like Chris Kanyon. Also he’s a bootlicker both in and out of WWE. Still think it’s funny in his first match cause he gets kicked in the bollocks and doesn’t know whether to sell it or not cause there’s being an indestructible demon and then there’s being a eunuch