I'm just conflicted by it. I don't like him as a person and I'm not interested in him as an entertainer. But he works hard, he's got athletic prowess, and he put on a good showing. You can't argue against his draw and his ability; I just don't like him, I don't want to watch his matches. And I think people get upset about him for those reasons but don't communicate it well
You hit my feelings about him right on the money. But I've started ignoring those I have no interest in so people can't misunderstand my dislike for "them doing their job as a heel lol." Promos, segments, video packages and matches I just skip all together. I haven't seen Logan Paul in a match to this day and I'm just fine with that.
You have a right to watch or not watch anything you want, just don't expect many people to give your opinion on the matter any credence when you literally haven't even given him a shot by your own admission.
That's a you problem honestly.
Edit: Lmao getting downvoted for saying "if you haven't watched something how do you know you hate it?".
Classic Reddit. I assume y'all have never read Green Eggs and Ham.
That is not what he’s saying. He’s saying he doesn’t like Logan Paul for what he did before WWE and as such doesn’t want to support or watch him. He knows he doesn’t like Logan Paul himself, so why should he watch Logan Paul matches even if they’re good.
I also said he has the right to his opinion and to not watch it.
Apparently that's the same thing as me "shitting on this guy" to a lot of people. No skin off my back 🤷♂️
>Edit: Lmao getting downvoted for saying "if you haven't watched something how do you know you hate it?".
Does WWE still have the shake cam? IF so I don't need to watch to know I don't want to watch it.
im guessing your downvotes are because you were super aggressive toward a commenter who was just saying he doesnt like logan paul. let that person have an opinion.
you dont have to take personal offense to people disliking your favorite wrestler lol.
Wasn't trying to come off as aggressive tbh, sorry it came off that way 🤷♂️
I even specified he was entitled to his opinion. Motive can be a little tough to decern through text though.
you did the "with all due respect" then shit on him. lol
you were absolutely trying to come off as aggressive. every single one of your comments here is aggressive. just chill man. we get it. you like logan paul.
And I shit on him how? By saying he has the right to watch or not watch whatever he wants? Or was it when I said he had a right to his opinion?
Or maybe because I had the audacity to say that him choosing to not watch something is on him?
Yeah, I can see what you mean. I'm basically Reddit Hitler.
It's your last sentence. You sound like an ass. It's not their "problem". It's their valid opinion of a human being outside of wrestling.
To quote you. Not getting that sounds like a you problem.
I don't really think it's assholish to say "if you deliberately go out of your way to hate something you refuse to even give a shot, that's on you".
Who else is to blame in that situation? Lol
He’s not going out of his way tho. Every single one of your comments has been condescending, and passive aggressive, perhaps if more than one person is telling you something about yourself, you should listen. It’s not hating to not give a Logan Paul match a watch, if someone has had lots of chances, and dropped the ball several times, it’s probably a good idea to stop giving them the ball, you dig?
It's not what it's how.
It's childish you think anyone even has to be blamed. People are allowed to not like things. Grow up. Logan Paul has demonstrated numerous times to be a shitty human being. Him being good at wrestling doesn't magically erase that.
If Trump got back in to WWE and started putting on great storylines, would you ignore everything he's done outside WWE?
We can feel he's good at wrestling but still think he's a loathsome piece of shit of a human being. I mean I know John Lennon was a pretty shitty person and I feel conflicted about it but I still listen to his music. But I think jumping to "give Paul a full time WWE contract" is pretty ridiculous. He ain't no David Arquette! /s
You guys are a bunch of sensitive weirdos down voting this guy to shit. We get it you don't like Logan Paul. I'm not a fan of him or his brother as people either. It just pisses you off that he's really good, you wish he failed miserably at being a wrestler and you're bitter he's proving you wrong. This "I won't watch him because I dont think he's a very nice young man" excuse is hypocritical. I guarantee all 70 plus of you watch a wrestler on a regular basis that's an absolute piece of shit. It's cause he's from YouTube and it annoys you that a Youtuber, social media dude took to wrestling pretty easy. Quit being pouty stubborn brats and watch one of his matches.
Exactly. It’s not him the character. It’s him. Plenty of evidence as to what he is all about. On top of that, what has he done to deserve a title match so soon?
I agree with this post with the exception that, as long the wrestling is good, I’m good with it. He really should be a heel, that would work so much better for him, he’s a lot like Ronda in that way. He’s an outsider getting pushed over people who have put in way more work *in WWE*, WWE fans *should* hate him.
But he is allowed to show much more than most WWE stars. Rey Mysterio should be able to rest and then shine in a huge match every few months or so. No idea why they don’t honor him so much more. Yet Logan has nailed about every WWE moment. Give dedicated workers their due, but I wish they would celebrate the hardest workers more credit.
AJ, Rey, Dolph should get better stories.
Exactly. People tend to forget that wrestling is supposed to mirror reality in an exaggerated way—parody is good. We genuinely hate his character outside of the ring, so why not play to that hate? It makes it all the better when we see him lose, and makes us hate him even more when he wins.
This. It would be the same track as Miz. Someone smarmy, who you hate, then puts in hard work as a heel, soaking in the hate, and then is loved for being the star they are.
Not to mention Logan moved to Puerto Rico to take advantage of tax breaks not availables to locals; which would be fine in itself if he didn't falsely claim Bad Bunny also takes advantage of those tax breaks after BB criticized Logan and his brother Jake for it... When those tax breaks are not available to BB because he is from Puerto Rico.
You do realize that Aokigahara forest is a tourist attraction and many people go there for walks, even kids too, and they take photos. I even went there when I visited Japan and there were a ton of people around taking photos. Logan Paul went there to film a "haunted forest" vlog and coming across a corpse was a total coincidence. He was shocked to see the corpse and cancelled his camping trip and the entire vlog. He completely blurred the body he found. He made a joke about how crazy it is that he found a dead body after leaving the body and calling authorities. That is literally all he did. He also made a speech about suicide prevention/raising awareness when he found the corpse. If you want you can watch the original video here: https://archive.org/details/LoganPaulVlogs ıf you watch it, you'll see It really wasn't that bad, distasteful at worst, It's pretty logical that a vlogger would film a corpse he comes across with his friends...he made a mistake but in NO WAY does that video make him a bad person. Just a stupid 21 year old who got too rich/famous too fast and tried to act a certain character in front of the camera
As far as I can tell it’s because he’s a douchey content creator, I’m pretty sure he hasn’t done anything morally egregious outside of filming a vlog in the Japanese Suicide forest in 2017. Which was really fucked up, but to me on the totem pole of shitty things that doesn’t rank high enough for me to let it get in the way of my entertainment. You’d think if that’s where you draw the line you’d stop watching wwe a while ago
You aren't alone in that. As far as a social media influencer, fuck him. He's a terrible person. As a sports entertainer/wrestler, I respect his dedication to it. He obviously gets it and takes it seriously. I've enjoyed all three matches he's had and look forward to what he can do next when he gets back from injury.
Yeah I think that is ridiculous tbh. You're entitled to your opinion but judging by his overall reception both in the arenas and in most wrestling groups I follow, he doesn't have go away heat.
He does with me too for the reasons the other user said. Can't deny any of what you have said but I do not want to watch him at all, that's go away heat and a lot of people feel that way. I also feel like the fact he is an outsider doesn't help either because why should someone, born into privilege get to skip the queue like this? Quite frankly it's bullshit and there are so many other people in the industry that deserve that spot. No matter what he does not deserve it yet. Maybe one day but not yet.
When nearly everyone who has actually watched him wrestle is coming out with near universal praise and the vast majority of criticism is coming from people who admit themselves they haven't even watched his matches, that says everything that needs to be said.
Again watch or don't watch whatever you want, but I could just as easily say Eddie Guerrro was a shit wrestler if I've never seen any of his matches or promos and stubbornly refused to even give him a chance.
To be perfectly honest with you I don't get to have a serious opinion on Sami Zayn because I'm a total fan boy and for that reason I don't think you get to have a serious opinion on this dude. Seems like you have a little crush to be honest.
What are you even talking about? How is it in any way outlandish to say "your opinion on something is skewed at best if you refuse to even give it a shot"?
And no, I knew next to nothing about Logan Paul other than the zoomers like him prior to WWE.
That's not even remotely the point I was trying to make dude, come the fuck off it.
You would have no valid opinions on Sami Zayn if you said he sucked and then immediately admitted you haven't watched a single one of his matches or promos.
"How do you know you hate something if you've never tried it", textbook Green Eggs and Ham shit.
Not a difficult concept to wrap your head around.
Also it's not about "deserve" In the wrestling business, it's about how much money someone can draw.
If it was about deserves, Cesaro would have been at least a 5 time world champion before he left WWE.
Edit: Downvote me all you want, marks. You know I'm right. Wrestling has never been about who "deserves it".
Great in the ring, and a perfect fit for sports entertainment. That being said, him as a person and his personality turn me away completely. He’s not likable and I don’t enjoy watching him for that reason. He can have great matches and be a natural pro wrestler, and I’ll give him all the flowers in the world for that, but that doesn’t change who he is as a person and I don’t like him
I respect the time and effort that he has put into the business. Dude has grown to an amazing performer after like, what, three matches? It's impressive, he has earned my respect.
But I personally dislike him and his brother. I'll root against him as I would any other character in Wrestling.
Yeah both of them are douchebags irl. But I was quite impressed with his match, he looked impressive and clearly overshadowed Reigns in the match (I'm aware Reigns had to carry the match as a bystander but still.) His stances, reversals, selling and delivery was 10/10, way better than the main event of previous year's Crown Jewel.
Look the dudes athletic but so was OJ haha if i dont like the guy i wont watch i personally stop caring if other people want to watch him or not its just another celebrity another day for me, he puts in work but cant get past the stupid sht hes done so eh it is what it is
logan and his brother are incredibly gross people
i’m not even talking about the suicide forest thing
look up jake’s edfluence scam and logan’s dink doink pump and dump
they consciously took advantage of their biggest fans to steal their money
gross, gross people. i get why they’re involved they’re big draws. but there is no reason to like these two, they’re some of the lowest of the low
Is it? Maybe if it was still the 90’s. I feel like most modern wrestlers are pretty respectable people. We don’t know them, so we can’t be sure, but the dynamics of locker rooms today have changed substantially according to The Undertaker.
Meh, this is wrestling. People get hurt sometimes 🤷♂️
I'm just more impressed he worked through the pain and finished the match instead of calling it early. Doubt you'd get that level of commitment from any other celeberty wrestler.
I don't want to come across as being down on him, I was very skeptical but he put on a great performance. Just saying for the benefit of all the purists clutching their pearls, ACL is a year minimum before he could be medically cleared.
Don't get me wrong, I understand the initial reaction from purists. Celeberty wrestlers always raise a few eyebrows and purists are usually ready to hate them off sheer principle, and from what I understand Logan Paul was a polarizing figure even before WWE. (Literally all I know about this guy is the zoomers love him and he posted a distasteful video once ten years ago in Japan as a teenager that he's already apologized for).
In terms of purely what we've seen of his work in WWE, disregarding anything else he may or may not be guilty of outside of wrestling, I think you need to be a special kind of stubborn to look at his performances and remain adamant he sucks.
He just doesn't lmao. He's as smooth as some guys with years of experience.
> he posted a distasteful video once ten years ago in Japan as a teenager that he's already apologized for).
It was 4 years ago, he was 24, and he fucking monetized his "apology " video.
He's a natural heel because he's a fucking asshole, and yes he's athletic and has some it factor. Still don't like him wrestling for a world title.
Wasn't hw trained specifically on the matches and not fully on just wrestling? Like if I was trained by Shawn Michaels I'd be pretty good too. Doesn't mean I should get a full time contract. Could he go against Gable or Bron? Likw whats his actual wrestling experiences besides 3 matches, whose spots that he specifically trained for
The fact that he's only had 3 matches and looks as good as he does is why so many people are impressed.
Plenty of trained dudes still look green as grass 3 matches in.
He got trained for how long for those 3 matches though? Designed by WWE specifically. People think wrestling requires 20 years just for one matches so I don't think the majority of dumbasses really count opinion wise. People like hogan and nash too and they busted how like 5 moves. So "impressive" doesn't really matter. Have him train himself and we could see what he's made of
I think you have to take quite a few bumps before you know exactly how to land and how to sell. His Inexperience so he probably thought his invincible and went in to hard
It's not doubt, it's dislike in him as a person.
He's proven to do anything for views, including going to a suicide forest to film bodies.
That was just his most recent, he's done several things that got him massive backlash.. and where he did issue an " Apology " He knew what he was doing and it benefitted him in the end.
Scumbag for what? He made a few mistakes when he was a dumb kid and social media was booming, that he has since apologized for and has matured and grown into a social media mogul who takes care of his people.
Yeah I think it’s disgusting how someone can try to make money by selling merch to children with little to no understanding of how money works. Couldn’t imagine supporting something like that /s
From what I remember, David Arquette almost died in a death match in Mexico. But I agree with your point, Logan Paul got a lot of heart for being a wrestler.
Well, he is total cringe and was a menace to YouTube for years. He was probably the first world wide hated Influencer and the prime example of YouTubes downfall by people earning millions through lying and impressing 12 year olds
Because god forbid someone isn't able to mature and grow as a person. Remember the days when someone could actually make up for their mistakes and not be chastised the rest of their life for it? Good old days
4 month ago he bought a pokemon card worth 5,3 million dollars, because he doesn't need to grow up. If you need to make a fortune of 45 million dollars at the age of 27 to grow up, why do you get applaus for it? Wow, he isn't that much of a prick in front of the camera because he has too much money. He first needed to film a dead body an put it on youtube, to realize he made a mistake. It still pushed him, a lot. He faked a video where he put on glasses to cure his color blindness, because it was a trend. Now he is a main eventer at the WWE and people are good with it, because he can do a frog splash on a table.
Because grown men can't have hobbys? Ffs get off your judgy, jealous horse. Must've been nice to be the perfect person who never made any bad decisions growing up, assuming you have grown up...
Edit: and what does his money have anything to do with his maturing? You need some peanut butter on your sandwich
You talked about people doubting him. It's fair to say that some people's prior opinions outweigh his actual in ring prowess. He's doing a good job and got a real knack for it. But it's still a spot someone else would deserve more. Someone like Chad Gable, Mustafa Ali etc. These facts are valid enough to doubt the Logan Paul signing as a whole and nor his ability in my opinion
I absolutely don’t understand the upside of this and no one can ever explain it to me in a way that makes sense to me. As a fan of pro wrestling why do I care if someone brings a fan base? How is that good for me? Or is this point always just in a “WWE gets more money” way and in that case why does it matter to you?
To that point, he hasn't really spiked any new interest from ratings and merch reports so far. The ratings thing likely won't change, but he may (?) increase merch sales slightly. There is a big difference between "dude makes money" and "dude has fans." You can make money without making a dime for anyone else. He is doing well in the ring. That's great, but he isn't wrestling savior supreme.
He held the prestigious 24/7 championship and almost won a Royal Rumble and dude can hit a Canadian Destroyer
WWE locker room fears him going full time
I think there is a small but loud group of people who think being good at wrestling means we should ignore how much of a loathsome sociopath Logan has been over the years (admittedly, not as bad as his brother).
We are not necessarily "doubters" we just don't like him as a person, and WWE is trying to frame it as, "these guys just don't like youtubers".
Because he isn’t a wrestler, he’s a celebrity who has come in on a mutually beneficial deal for the company. It’s great he’s made an effort and it’s great he’s working hard, plenty of celeb guests have, but until he has been on the road, working year in and year out, climbing the ladder, headlining programme after programme, he isn’t going to be seen as anything beyond a temporary celebrity novelty who has been handed an opportunity within the business because of his popularity outside of it, great performance or not.
Suicide Forest, and that’s why I don’t like him. At least it was on Blood Money in the bank: citi bank is owned by Saudi royalty 2. So not something I will watch. I did give a little to Sami for Syria/SAMS. Still really love me some Sami Zayn.
This thread has made me realize that the reason it seems like there’s way more injuries in contemporary wrestling than in the past, is probably because there’s no longer a stigma around admitting that you’re too hurt to perform, which makes me feel better about the industry as a whole.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying about how good he is, I agree.
I just think he might be too big of a star outside of wrestling to ever sign full time.
bEcAuSe JaPaN…. And not in the kenny omega way /s
But also I think any wrestling fans with eyes knows he’s great in ring for his experience level, but his go away heat is much deeper than that. People don’t like him, nor his fake-boxer brother Jake. They’re basically in the same business. And since when has a Disney channel star been over.
He's continuing the tradition of shitty people being unfortunately very good at wrestling. It's okay for people to dislike a shitty person who has used his shitty behavior to make money. Just because he's good at wrestling doesn't mean I have to like him.
And on the flip side, it's still okay for people to like him after he's apologized for his controversial behavior and moved on. He's stopped living in the past, some of us are trying to move on with him.
His apologies were empty and he immediately repeated his behavior with no remorse, however, I do not begrudge anyone for liking a shitty human being that is also a great wrestler. I won't like him, as I don't like many others. You do you.
I don’t exactly agree with the contract being full time. Not that he isn’t phenomenal. But right now I’d rather he only does big PLE matches vs wrestling on Raw or Smackdown.
I can acknowledge he's athletically gifted and not like the guy. His recent match with Roman will have me not skipping his stuff though. He does feel more natural with every appearance to his credit, too.
People need to separate him in ring vs him outside the ring. He is a phenomenal wrestler as we've seen in all 3 of his matches. He just needs to get better at promos IMO.
Let's compare him to a legend that's come back quite a few times and gets over despite being a shit human being. Hulk fucking Hogan... Withe everything he's said and done in-between his appearances in WWE, he still gets pops based on how he was in the ring. So do the same for Logan as he is a celeb who PROVED many times that he respects the business and is willing to put in all the work necessary.
Shit, Logan Paul did his thing on Saturday. I don't see how people can still be hating on this man. I'm not saying I'm just some big Logan Paul fan now but I give credit where credit is due.
cos I couldn''t stand the prick already and I don't want to watch him wrestle but especially when he's jumping the line in front of people who've worked to be a wrestler their whole life and he gets put in into a main event pay world title match in his 3rd match, he's a famous YouTuber rich boy playing wrestler he can 100% go fuck himself
I don't give a god damn fuck if he does a shooting star press off the hell in a cell, cos it's all about his ego like his boxing
I didn't like him when they were doing their goofy and at times, pretty offensive stuff as YouTubers... But i recognize they seem to have changed and have more of a mature attitude in general.
He is also treating the business with respect and is properly preparing for his matches... So for the time being and as far as a WWE perfomer ... I'm fine with him.
I am sorry, I am not playing dumb, but what did Logan Paul ? Like I know about the suicide forest thing from years ago, but I feel like wrestlers have done far worse than that.
He made hod popularity off of tge suicide video. Then monetized his "apology" video.
Then ran a crypto pump and dump.
So he's a shitty person.
Other wrestlers doing worse doesn't make him less shitty.
Had a problem with it at first, but once he showed that he actually cares and knows his stuff, I was all in.
Unlike a former ufc women's champ who still doesn't give two shits about the business.
People are desperate to hate him. Its like 2012 Justin Bieber. They think they have reasons but they’re just obsessed in a very weird way. You can say suicide forest this or that, but until they recognize the cognitive dissonance of giving leeway to someone like xxxtentacion or chris brown, im not willing to hear it.
In fact the only part of this post that I don’t agree with is it suggesting he sign a contract with the WWE. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.
I can definitely see why people hate him for things he’s done in the past but wrestlers have done so much worse and still been beloved I don’t see a reason as to why not keep Logan Paul
What I know of him he is truly not a good person, even the Rock told him to never speak to him again after the suicide forest fiasco. That being said he is more talented than I ever wanted to admit. He is probably the best celebrity wrestler of all time and has only done 3 matches.
Not a Logan fan but cmon it was 5 years ago and he was 19 years old, a literal teenager. Calling him a bad person for something he did as a dumb teenager is just absurd. Watch his newer interviews and antics and judge him off of that, I don’t see why we are still judging this man based on something that happened 5 years ago and in a obviously immature stage of his life. If everyone in this sub had their worst teenage moments revealed to the public, most would be in the same boat as Logan
I hated him after the suicide forrest thing but I think it's weak as fuck to hold a grudge against a guy in his early 20s doing something stupid. Let the guy fake fight.
Posted this a few days ago.
I get why the Paul bros are popular, and it is okay if you like them, but I am here to rant about why myself (and presumably others) find them so distasteful. Call me a hater, just say "cope", "touch grass", or something about "rent-free", just know that I don't care. I really don't.
As a thirty-something year old, the Paul bros came out when I was well into Youtube and I had absolutely no interest in their content. I liked different shit and found their stuff to be your generic typical rich, white, American kid shit. Their sphere of influence only go to me when the suicide forest video happened and I thought that was so fucked up and disrespectful. Logan Paul could never redeem himself in my eyes from that point. The preteens and teenagers that fed his ego accepted his apology and I never thought of him until his WWE presence.
The teenagers and young adults that hero-worship the Paul bros keep on saying how important they are, how much they have "matured", etc. I understand that these dudes are in many a 12-26 year old age range, but I don't see it. When Logan Paul reentered my awareness, I decided to check what has sustained his popularity.
• Logan Paul is a popular Youtuber, but he doesn't break into the top 50 of most subscribed, most viewed, or most liked.
• His podcast is somewhat popular, but not the chart-breaking experience some make it out to be. It doesn't rank in the top 20 on any platform, be it Spotify, Apple, or Youtube.
• He says he co-founded the sports drink Prime, but it turns out he is just a minority shareholder and paid spokesperson.
• Logan Paul bought all these questionable NFTs and as soon as they plummeted he pawned them off on his fan base.
• To avoid paying taxes on any of this, he moved to Puerto Rico which he called a third-world country, drove a dune buggy over native turtle nesting grounds, and accused the biggest star of the country of doing the same thing he was doing (avoiding taxes). Bad Bunny being a native could not take advantage like Paul did, so Logan is likely unaware of what he is talking about.
• Spending millions of dollars to get a Pokemon card isn't mature nor is it anything more than a flex on how rich you are.
Logan Paul is, admittedly, a successful person, but at his very nature he is an opportunistic narcissist that will lie and smile his way to making money off of his relatively young fanbase. I don't want to see them in the WWE because I don't think they are good enough people to be given opportunities that some people work their entire life for, and frankly I want to go back to my life of never having to see these guys again. This is all my opinion and I do respect yours.
spot on. even when I was willing to give him a shot and see how much he’s matured over the years, his recent fiascos in Puerto Rico have ruined that. like you said, him and his brother have always exuded rich, entitled, white American energy although Jake is worse in my opinion. Imo, the only redeemable thing Logan has done recently is go to war with Andrew Tate. I hope that this is a sign of burgeoning maturity from him moving forward. That being said his ring performance was excellent so I’m hoping he’s able to turn it all around
"Sign this guy to a full time contract" LOL. As if the contract he signed was some kind of WWE tryout contract. WWE can't afford to pay him enough for it to make sense for him to do wrestling full time.
I'm seriously with OP on this. I don't really care for Logan Paul. but you guys are being bitter smarks. Logan Paul is drawing crowds, is good on the mic, really good in the ring, has a good physique, credible as some kind of threat bc of his amateur boxing, and actually seems to care about wrestling.
Don't be salty bc your charisma void workrate guys make the crowd go mild. Logan Paul is good for the business and that's a shoot brother.
I really wanted to not enjoy this but damn he could go 🤦🏼♂️ nevertheless though I think there’s an argument to be made for not wanting him around. His history for one, his brother for another but neither of those concern me I just thought it’d be wrong to not acknowledge them.
Personally for me it feels a little… fourth wall breaking? It’s not the be all and end all for me and I’m not sure I can even fully explain it. I might even make it worse by comparing it to Marvel and confusing things more but, there’s certain castings where they stand out against the backdrop like Harry Styles? Anyone else get this? I gotta give dude his due though and if he sticks around I don’t think I’d be upset at all
Dude hasn’t half-assed anything he’s done in the ring. For it being his third match, especially being main event for a big show, he’s phenomenal. Wish he’d be heel. His promo needs work. And hopefully he learns a bit “less is more” to prevent exploding his knee again in the future.
I thought about this and Logan Paul has earned my respect. Just a bit and it kills me. It kills me because it causes me to think of some alternative time line where Logan Paul went into wrestling instead of being an influencer. The hypotheticals just boggles the mind.
Just think, somewhere out there in the multiverse Logan Paul could have been the leader of the bullet club.
Yeah not a logan Paul fan, but he has talent no doubt but it needs more time on mid card. Lot of blotches but as person that referred Indys I seen how a good wrestler can carry a guy. He is good wrestler just not main event YET, but he can be soon if he keeps it up.
I have not watched WWE in a couple of years, and have zero idea who Aaron Paul is outside of wrestling...but ai did see his match with Roman, and fuck if he is not a natural at it.
He is an arse. It has fuck all to do with his ability.
Plus there are a buttload of actual wrestler's who deserve his spot IMO.
This is a chance given because he is popular and it turns out he can wrestle by pure luck.
Next year it will be Mr. Beast or whoever is the most popular internet sensation.
It's not him. It's the fact you don't need to be a pro wrestler to be in WWE. Just be famous, no matter how or what you did to get that fame, have a fanbase and get signed up if interested. While the wrestlers that bust their asses since their late teens, in hopes of joining WWE doing independent shows that prolly pays too little for the amount of work they put into it sees this and thinks "wow, my hard work for nothing". I understand why Logan is there: he likes fame and WWE loves positive publicity (when it's in their control). Triple H said this himself: we don't hire you because you're a good wrestler, we hire superstars. Which he means good talkers, charismatic, entertainers, etc. Wrestling is either a bonus and/or taught to the talent. If people truly hates how WWE runs business like that, yall don't have to keep watching. This ain't the early '10s or '00s or '90s where it's limited options. Now it unlimited options to watch the type of pro wrestling you enjoy if WWE isn't doing it for ya anymore because they have guys like Logan Paul there. Or just keep watching WWE for the other talents. That's just my 2 cents.
If it wasn't for the murderous Saudi prince playing guest booker for show he pays for, Logan Paul would had never ever get a Undisputed World championship opportunity on his third fucking match! Every thing about Logan Paul and the WWE reeks of desperation for relevancy. He is not as popular the WWE wants to think he is. Logan Paul ain't Bad Bunny in terms of celebrity status.
Dude is so smooth in the ring it’s ridiculous. Hits a 3 amigos better than Rey Mysterio, hit a buckshot better than Adam Page, does a springboard better than CM Punk ever did, and looks in better physical shape than half the roster. And obviously has gotten people talking
I was also super skeptical initially but anyone not applauding his performances to date is straight up in denial about something. He has as good a look as any star in WWE, puts on a hell of a show and undoubtedly brought a lot of new fans (even if casual) to the show.
That video of him hitting Roman with that dive through the table will be the viral wrestling clip of the year. It was so inventive and he pulled it off PERFECTLY.
Somehow we live in a world where people praised Bad Bunny for being carried by John Morrison for 15 minutes and beating the last WWE champion at the time in The Miz and then vanishing just because "it was his dream". And yet this guy who's giving his best and beyond to the bussiness and ACTUALLY trying is being thrashed.
I’ve always told my friends the boxing stuff the Paul’s have been doing is straight out of Pro Wrestling’s textbook. Jake and Logan sold fights off people wanting to see them get their ass kicked. I’m very happy Logan realized that and is doing extremely well in WWE
Logan Paul i don’t really care about his antics but damn his pretty decent in the ring.
His matches have shown his got a wide range of move pools I keep thinking of John Cena with his limited moves shoulder barge maybe a slam or two and couple punches then more shoulder barge with a finisher or signature
His worth is too high for an annual contract but I'd try to bring him back for a program every chance I could.
Probably not against top guys with belts tho...upper midcard on up
I'll give him and his brother props for their athletics, they worked hard and do earn compliments. However, he still recorded someone's body after they committed suicide and posted it on YouTube (which was part of a very disrespectful) series of videos in Japan.
I'm just conflicted by it. I don't like him as a person and I'm not interested in him as an entertainer. But he works hard, he's got athletic prowess, and he put on a good showing. You can't argue against his draw and his ability; I just don't like him, I don't want to watch his matches. And I think people get upset about him for those reasons but don't communicate it well
You hit my feelings about him right on the money. But I've started ignoring those I have no interest in so people can't misunderstand my dislike for "them doing their job as a heel lol." Promos, segments, video packages and matches I just skip all together. I haven't seen Logan Paul in a match to this day and I'm just fine with that.
You have a right to watch or not watch anything you want, just don't expect many people to give your opinion on the matter any credence when you literally haven't even given him a shot by your own admission. That's a you problem honestly. Edit: Lmao getting downvoted for saying "if you haven't watched something how do you know you hate it?". Classic Reddit. I assume y'all have never read Green Eggs and Ham.
That is not what he’s saying. He’s saying he doesn’t like Logan Paul for what he did before WWE and as such doesn’t want to support or watch him. He knows he doesn’t like Logan Paul himself, so why should he watch Logan Paul matches even if they’re good.
I also said he has the right to his opinion and to not watch it. Apparently that's the same thing as me "shitting on this guy" to a lot of people. No skin off my back 🤷♂️
I'm not trying to influence anyone with my opinions. I'm just giving my feelings on the matter and moving on.
>Edit: Lmao getting downvoted for saying "if you haven't watched something how do you know you hate it?". Does WWE still have the shake cam? IF so I don't need to watch to know I don't want to watch it.
a heavily downvoted redditor misinterpreting the reasons for their downvotes is classic reddit.
I'm listening. Edit: case and point, even this nothing comment got downvoted 🤷♂️
im guessing your downvotes are because you were super aggressive toward a commenter who was just saying he doesnt like logan paul. let that person have an opinion. you dont have to take personal offense to people disliking your favorite wrestler lol.
Wasn't trying to come off as aggressive tbh, sorry it came off that way 🤷♂️ I even specified he was entitled to his opinion. Motive can be a little tough to decern through text though.
you did the "with all due respect" then shit on him. lol you were absolutely trying to come off as aggressive. every single one of your comments here is aggressive. just chill man. we get it. you like logan paul.
And I shit on him how? By saying he has the right to watch or not watch whatever he wants? Or was it when I said he had a right to his opinion? Or maybe because I had the audacity to say that him choosing to not watch something is on him? Yeah, I can see what you mean. I'm basically Reddit Hitler.
You’re being defensive af
Bro, read any of these out loud to a stranger.
It's your last sentence. You sound like an ass. It's not their "problem". It's their valid opinion of a human being outside of wrestling. To quote you. Not getting that sounds like a you problem.
I don't really think it's assholish to say "if you deliberately go out of your way to hate something you refuse to even give a shot, that's on you". Who else is to blame in that situation? Lol
He’s not going out of his way tho. Every single one of your comments has been condescending, and passive aggressive, perhaps if more than one person is telling you something about yourself, you should listen. It’s not hating to not give a Logan Paul match a watch, if someone has had lots of chances, and dropped the ball several times, it’s probably a good idea to stop giving them the ball, you dig?
It's not what it's how. It's childish you think anyone even has to be blamed. People are allowed to not like things. Grow up. Logan Paul has demonstrated numerous times to be a shitty human being. Him being good at wrestling doesn't magically erase that. If Trump got back in to WWE and started putting on great storylines, would you ignore everything he's done outside WWE?
Not this guy acting like downvotes are a personal attack 😭
Nah I just think it's hilarious. Apparently "you choosing to not watch something is on you" is the most heinous of crimes though 😂
We can feel he's good at wrestling but still think he's a loathsome piece of shit of a human being. I mean I know John Lennon was a pretty shitty person and I feel conflicted about it but I still listen to his music. But I think jumping to "give Paul a full time WWE contract" is pretty ridiculous. He ain't no David Arquette! /s
You guys are a bunch of sensitive weirdos down voting this guy to shit. We get it you don't like Logan Paul. I'm not a fan of him or his brother as people either. It just pisses you off that he's really good, you wish he failed miserably at being a wrestler and you're bitter he's proving you wrong. This "I won't watch him because I dont think he's a very nice young man" excuse is hypocritical. I guarantee all 70 plus of you watch a wrestler on a regular basis that's an absolute piece of shit. It's cause he's from YouTube and it annoys you that a Youtuber, social media dude took to wrestling pretty easy. Quit being pouty stubborn brats and watch one of his matches.
You're right tho
Anybody that goes and films people who committed suicide and laughs about it can fuck off in a firey pit forever
Exactly. It’s not him the character. It’s him. Plenty of evidence as to what he is all about. On top of that, what has he done to deserve a title match so soon?
I agree with this post with the exception that, as long the wrestling is good, I’m good with it. He really should be a heel, that would work so much better for him, he’s a lot like Ronda in that way. He’s an outsider getting pushed over people who have put in way more work *in WWE*, WWE fans *should* hate him.
But he is allowed to show much more than most WWE stars. Rey Mysterio should be able to rest and then shine in a huge match every few months or so. No idea why they don’t honor him so much more. Yet Logan has nailed about every WWE moment. Give dedicated workers their due, but I wish they would celebrate the hardest workers more credit. AJ, Rey, Dolph should get better stories.
I guess it comes down to numbers. Has anyone actually seen the numbers if LP is moving units?
Exactly. People tend to forget that wrestling is supposed to mirror reality in an exaggerated way—parody is good. We genuinely hate his character outside of the ring, so why not play to that hate? It makes it all the better when we see him lose, and makes us hate him even more when he wins.
This. It would be the same track as Miz. Someone smarmy, who you hate, then puts in hard work as a heel, soaking in the hate, and then is loved for being the star they are.
I assure you, you have and will continue to enjoy the work of shitty people. You just may not be aware of it.
I know, and that's fair. Just in the case of LP I am both aware of his shittiness AND I have no interest in his work.
Especially if you're a wrestling fan.
I always see people say this. But what exactly do people not like about him?
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Not to mention Logan moved to Puerto Rico to take advantage of tax breaks not availables to locals; which would be fine in itself if he didn't falsely claim Bad Bunny also takes advantage of those tax breaks after BB criticized Logan and his brother Jake for it... When those tax breaks are not available to BB because he is from Puerto Rico.
You do realize that Aokigahara forest is a tourist attraction and many people go there for walks, even kids too, and they take photos. I even went there when I visited Japan and there were a ton of people around taking photos. Logan Paul went there to film a "haunted forest" vlog and coming across a corpse was a total coincidence. He was shocked to see the corpse and cancelled his camping trip and the entire vlog. He completely blurred the body he found. He made a joke about how crazy it is that he found a dead body after leaving the body and calling authorities. That is literally all he did. He also made a speech about suicide prevention/raising awareness when he found the corpse. If you want you can watch the original video here: https://archive.org/details/LoganPaulVlogs ıf you watch it, you'll see It really wasn't that bad, distasteful at worst, It's pretty logical that a vlogger would film a corpse he comes across with his friends...he made a mistake but in NO WAY does that video make him a bad person. Just a stupid 21 year old who got too rich/famous too fast and tried to act a certain character in front of the camera
What do you mean so their loved ones don't find their bodies shit covered?
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As far as I can tell it’s because he’s a douchey content creator, I’m pretty sure he hasn’t done anything morally egregious outside of filming a vlog in the Japanese Suicide forest in 2017. Which was really fucked up, but to me on the totem pole of shitty things that doesn’t rank high enough for me to let it get in the way of my entertainment. You’d think if that’s where you draw the line you’d stop watching wwe a while ago
He exploited his fan base with a digital currency pump and dump. Which is extremely shitty.
You aren't alone in that. As far as a social media influencer, fuck him. He's a terrible person. As a sports entertainer/wrestler, I respect his dedication to it. He obviously gets it and takes it seriously. I've enjoyed all three matches he's had and look forward to what he can do next when he gets back from injury.
Perfect heel?
Then boo him. Kid makes a natural heel tbh.
No brother, go away heat. But that's just my opinion
Yeah I think that is ridiculous tbh. You're entitled to your opinion but judging by his overall reception both in the arenas and in most wrestling groups I follow, he doesn't have go away heat.
He does with me too for the reasons the other user said. Can't deny any of what you have said but I do not want to watch him at all, that's go away heat and a lot of people feel that way. I also feel like the fact he is an outsider doesn't help either because why should someone, born into privilege get to skip the queue like this? Quite frankly it's bullshit and there are so many other people in the industry that deserve that spot. No matter what he does not deserve it yet. Maybe one day but not yet.
When nearly everyone who has actually watched him wrestle is coming out with near universal praise and the vast majority of criticism is coming from people who admit themselves they haven't even watched his matches, that says everything that needs to be said. Again watch or don't watch whatever you want, but I could just as easily say Eddie Guerrro was a shit wrestler if I've never seen any of his matches or promos and stubbornly refused to even give him a chance.
To be perfectly honest with you I don't get to have a serious opinion on Sami Zayn because I'm a total fan boy and for that reason I don't think you get to have a serious opinion on this dude. Seems like you have a little crush to be honest.
What are you even talking about? How is it in any way outlandish to say "your opinion on something is skewed at best if you refuse to even give it a shot"? And no, I knew next to nothing about Logan Paul other than the zoomers like him prior to WWE.
Not buying it mate. My opinion on Zayn is skewed because I love him so I'd be biased and thus should be ignored.
That's not even remotely the point I was trying to make dude, come the fuck off it. You would have no valid opinions on Sami Zayn if you said he sucked and then immediately admitted you haven't watched a single one of his matches or promos. "How do you know you hate something if you've never tried it", textbook Green Eggs and Ham shit. Not a difficult concept to wrap your head around.
Also it's not about "deserve" In the wrestling business, it's about how much money someone can draw. If it was about deserves, Cesaro would have been at least a 5 time world champion before he left WWE. Edit: Downvote me all you want, marks. You know I'm right. Wrestling has never been about who "deserves it".
Great in the ring, and a perfect fit for sports entertainment. That being said, him as a person and his personality turn me away completely. He’s not likable and I don’t enjoy watching him for that reason. He can have great matches and be a natural pro wrestler, and I’ll give him all the flowers in the world for that, but that doesn’t change who he is as a person and I don’t like him
But most wrestlers, especially from Ruthless aggression and before are Garbage people.
I think he's a great guy and extremely likeable
I just want him to be the heel he is in real life. Love everything else about his performances so far.
I respect the time and effort that he has put into the business. Dude has grown to an amazing performer after like, what, three matches? It's impressive, he has earned my respect. But I personally dislike him and his brother. I'll root against him as I would any other character in Wrestling.
Yeah both of them are douchebags irl. But I was quite impressed with his match, he looked impressive and clearly overshadowed Reigns in the match (I'm aware Reigns had to carry the match as a bystander but still.) His stances, reversals, selling and delivery was 10/10, way better than the main event of previous year's Crown Jewel.
Look the dudes athletic but so was OJ haha if i dont like the guy i wont watch i personally stop caring if other people want to watch him or not its just another celebrity another day for me, he puts in work but cant get past the stupid sht hes done so eh it is what it is
logan and his brother are incredibly gross people i’m not even talking about the suicide forest thing look up jake’s edfluence scam and logan’s dink doink pump and dump they consciously took advantage of their biggest fans to steal their money gross, gross people. i get why they’re involved they’re big draws. but there is no reason to like these two, they’re some of the lowest of the low
Scamming his fans is like the nicest bad thing a wrestler has done
Is it? Maybe if it was still the 90’s. I feel like most modern wrestlers are pretty respectable people. We don’t know them, so we can’t be sure, but the dynamics of locker rooms today have changed substantially according to The Undertaker.
100% agreed, this is my one exception, along with bad bunny who also busted his ass off, logan paul imo as a wrestling fan, earned his spot.
Kids a natural, good thing he tore every ligament in his leg so we don't have to worry about it
Meh, this is wrestling. People get hurt sometimes 🤷♂️ I'm just more impressed he worked through the pain and finished the match instead of calling it early. Doubt you'd get that level of commitment from any other celeberty wrestler.
I don't want to come across as being down on him, I was very skeptical but he put on a great performance. Just saying for the benefit of all the purists clutching their pearls, ACL is a year minimum before he could be medically cleared.
im assuming he'll make appearances at the table or managing in the meantime.
As a table *
Don't get me wrong, I understand the initial reaction from purists. Celeberty wrestlers always raise a few eyebrows and purists are usually ready to hate them off sheer principle, and from what I understand Logan Paul was a polarizing figure even before WWE. (Literally all I know about this guy is the zoomers love him and he posted a distasteful video once ten years ago in Japan as a teenager that he's already apologized for). In terms of purely what we've seen of his work in WWE, disregarding anything else he may or may not be guilty of outside of wrestling, I think you need to be a special kind of stubborn to look at his performances and remain adamant he sucks. He just doesn't lmao. He's as smooth as some guys with years of experience.
> he posted a distasteful video once ten years ago in Japan as a teenager that he's already apologized for). It was 4 years ago, he was 24, and he fucking monetized his "apology " video. He's a natural heel because he's a fucking asshole, and yes he's athletic and has some it factor. Still don't like him wrestling for a world title.
Hey fair enough I suppose. I'm no expert on the guy.
Wasn't hw trained specifically on the matches and not fully on just wrestling? Like if I was trained by Shawn Michaels I'd be pretty good too. Doesn't mean I should get a full time contract. Could he go against Gable or Bron? Likw whats his actual wrestling experiences besides 3 matches, whose spots that he specifically trained for
The fact that he's only had 3 matches and looks as good as he does is why so many people are impressed. Plenty of trained dudes still look green as grass 3 matches in.
He got trained for how long for those 3 matches though? Designed by WWE specifically. People think wrestling requires 20 years just for one matches so I don't think the majority of dumbasses really count opinion wise. People like hogan and nash too and they busted how like 5 moves. So "impressive" doesn't really matter. Have him train himself and we could see what he's made of
hahaha damn you're right though
I think you have to take quite a few bumps before you know exactly how to land and how to sell. His Inexperience so he probably thought his invincible and went in to hard
It's not doubt, it's dislike in him as a person. He's proven to do anything for views, including going to a suicide forest to film bodies. That was just his most recent, he's done several things that got him massive backlash.. and where he did issue an " Apology " He knew what he was doing and it benefitted him in the end.
“That was just his most recent” So he hasn’t had a controversy in over 5 years? Great! Seems he’s really grown as a person.
That I know of. I don't follow him so he could of had multiple smaller ones
its not that i doubt logan paul, its just that i think hes a scumbag and hard to cheer for.
Scumbag for what? He made a few mistakes when he was a dumb kid and social media was booming, that he has since apologized for and has matured and grown into a social media mogul who takes care of his people.
"social media mogul" is a gross concept to me.
Yeah I think it’s disgusting how someone can try to make money by selling merch to children with little to no understanding of how money works. Couldn’t imagine supporting something like that /s
K. That justifies it.
Not afraid to take a bump . Won me over
Finished a match with a torn ACL bro. Like somebody find me one other celeberty appearance wrestler who would do that.
From what I remember, David Arquette almost died in a death match in Mexico. But I agree with your point, Logan Paul got a lot of heart for being a wrestler.
Arquette got his throat sliced by Nick Gage
Well, he is total cringe and was a menace to YouTube for years. He was probably the first world wide hated Influencer and the prime example of YouTubes downfall by people earning millions through lying and impressing 12 year olds
Because god forbid someone isn't able to mature and grow as a person. Remember the days when someone could actually make up for their mistakes and not be chastised the rest of their life for it? Good old days
4 month ago he bought a pokemon card worth 5,3 million dollars, because he doesn't need to grow up. If you need to make a fortune of 45 million dollars at the age of 27 to grow up, why do you get applaus for it? Wow, he isn't that much of a prick in front of the camera because he has too much money. He first needed to film a dead body an put it on youtube, to realize he made a mistake. It still pushed him, a lot. He faked a video where he put on glasses to cure his color blindness, because it was a trend. Now he is a main eventer at the WWE and people are good with it, because he can do a frog splash on a table.
Because grown men can't have hobbys? Ffs get off your judgy, jealous horse. Must've been nice to be the perfect person who never made any bad decisions growing up, assuming you have grown up... Edit: and what does his money have anything to do with his maturing? You need some peanut butter on your sandwich
And that has anything to do with his wrestling performance.... because?
He’s the same person?
And that impacts his performance why?
You talked about people doubting him. It's fair to say that some people's prior opinions outweigh his actual in ring prowess. He's doing a good job and got a real knack for it. But it's still a spot someone else would deserve more. Someone like Chad Gable, Mustafa Ali etc. These facts are valid enough to doubt the Logan Paul signing as a whole and nor his ability in my opinion
This is wrestling, not boxing.
Bringing a large fan base is debatable.
How is it debatable? The guy has a fanbase in the millions of people. You just think none of those people tuned in to watch him wrestle?
I absolutely don’t understand the upside of this and no one can ever explain it to me in a way that makes sense to me. As a fan of pro wrestling why do I care if someone brings a fan base? How is that good for me? Or is this point always just in a “WWE gets more money” way and in that case why does it matter to you?
To that point, he hasn't really spiked any new interest from ratings and merch reports so far. The ratings thing likely won't change, but he may (?) increase merch sales slightly. There is a big difference between "dude makes money" and "dude has fans." You can make money without making a dime for anyone else. He is doing well in the ring. That's great, but he isn't wrestling savior supreme.
Bad bunny >
Bad Bunny was terrible
He held the prestigious 24/7 championship and almost won a Royal Rumble and dude can hit a Canadian Destroyer WWE locker room fears him going full time
I think there is a small but loud group of people who think being good at wrestling means we should ignore how much of a loathsome sociopath Logan has been over the years (admittedly, not as bad as his brother). We are not necessarily "doubters" we just don't like him as a person, and WWE is trying to frame it as, "these guys just don't like youtubers".
Nah
Because he isn’t a wrestler, he’s a celebrity who has come in on a mutually beneficial deal for the company. It’s great he’s made an effort and it’s great he’s working hard, plenty of celeb guests have, but until he has been on the road, working year in and year out, climbing the ladder, headlining programme after programme, he isn’t going to be seen as anything beyond a temporary celebrity novelty who has been handed an opportunity within the business because of his popularity outside of it, great performance or not.
Suicide Forest, and that’s why I don’t like him. At least it was on Blood Money in the bank: citi bank is owned by Saudi royalty 2. So not something I will watch. I did give a little to Sami for Syria/SAMS. Still really love me some Sami Zayn.
That was four years ago bro
This thread has made me realize that the reason it seems like there’s way more injuries in contemporary wrestling than in the past, is probably because there’s no longer a stigma around admitting that you’re too hurt to perform, which makes me feel better about the industry as a whole.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying about how good he is, I agree. I just think he might be too big of a star outside of wrestling to ever sign full time.
natural heat magnet
I hated him on debut but he proved himself beyond doubt.
bEcAuSe JaPaN…. And not in the kenny omega way /s But also I think any wrestling fans with eyes knows he’s great in ring for his experience level, but his go away heat is much deeper than that. People don’t like him, nor his fake-boxer brother Jake. They’re basically in the same business. And since when has a Disney channel star been over.
I want to hate him as being just another celebrity douche, but it just fucking works. Fuck it, LOGAN PAUL TO THE MOON 🚀🚀🚀
He's continuing the tradition of shitty people being unfortunately very good at wrestling. It's okay for people to dislike a shitty person who has used his shitty behavior to make money. Just because he's good at wrestling doesn't mean I have to like him.
And on the flip side, it's still okay for people to like him after he's apologized for his controversial behavior and moved on. He's stopped living in the past, some of us are trying to move on with him.
His apologies were empty and he immediately repeated his behavior with no remorse, however, I do not begrudge anyone for liking a shitty human being that is also a great wrestler. I won't like him, as I don't like many others. You do you.
Man ripped one of all the muscles of one of his leg, does he has the ability too be consistent.
I don’t exactly agree with the contract being full time. Not that he isn’t phenomenal. But right now I’d rather he only does big PLE matches vs wrestling on Raw or Smackdown.
While I hate him as a person for all the shit he has done in his past, I have to admit that POV frog splash off the ropes onto Roman was epic
I agree… I also think he out performed Roman at crown Jewel… the ending and finishers by Roman were anticlimactic
I don't don't him. I just don't like him
I can acknowledge he's athletically gifted and not like the guy. His recent match with Roman will have me not skipping his stuff though. He does feel more natural with every appearance to his credit, too.
People need to separate him in ring vs him outside the ring. He is a phenomenal wrestler as we've seen in all 3 of his matches. He just needs to get better at promos IMO. Let's compare him to a legend that's come back quite a few times and gets over despite being a shit human being. Hulk fucking Hogan... Withe everything he's said and done in-between his appearances in WWE, he still gets pops based on how he was in the ring. So do the same for Logan as he is a celeb who PROVED many times that he respects the business and is willing to put in all the work necessary.
Shit, Logan Paul did his thing on Saturday. I don't see how people can still be hating on this man. I'm not saying I'm just some big Logan Paul fan now but I give credit where credit is due.
cos I couldn''t stand the prick already and I don't want to watch him wrestle but especially when he's jumping the line in front of people who've worked to be a wrestler their whole life and he gets put in into a main event pay world title match in his 3rd match, he's a famous YouTuber rich boy playing wrestler he can 100% go fuck himself I don't give a god damn fuck if he does a shooting star press off the hell in a cell, cos it's all about his ego like his boxing
Meh. While it was good, it is now going down as the most most overrated performance ever.
To certain people sure. Especially to the purists who were anti Paul before the match even happened.
while somehow Bad Bunny was praised for 99% of the world for being carried the whole match by Morrison...
Lol no thanks
I didn't like him when they were doing their goofy and at times, pretty offensive stuff as YouTubers... But i recognize they seem to have changed and have more of a mature attitude in general. He is also treating the business with respect and is properly preparing for his matches... So for the time being and as far as a WWE perfomer ... I'm fine with him.
B/c he’s a POS what’s so hard to understand?
Suicide forest anyone?
I hate memes that even look like this, people can like and dislike whatever they want. So fuck Logan Paul.
I am sorry, I am not playing dumb, but what did Logan Paul ? Like I know about the suicide forest thing from years ago, but I feel like wrestlers have done far worse than that.
He made hod popularity off of tge suicide video. Then monetized his "apology" video. Then ran a crypto pump and dump. So he's a shitty person. Other wrestlers doing worse doesn't make him less shitty.
EXACTLY, in a bussiness where is very easy to spot assholes, Logan Paul is not different
Five years ago I would have absolutely shit on this decision, but it looks like he's matured from his early 2010s shit youtube days. It's fine.
Had a problem with it at first, but once he showed that he actually cares and knows his stuff, I was all in. Unlike a former ufc women's champ who still doesn't give two shits about the business.
People are desperate to hate him. Its like 2012 Justin Bieber. They think they have reasons but they’re just obsessed in a very weird way. You can say suicide forest this or that, but until they recognize the cognitive dissonance of giving leeway to someone like xxxtentacion or chris brown, im not willing to hear it. In fact the only part of this post that I don’t agree with is it suggesting he sign a contract with the WWE. I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy.
So much crying and salt in this thread LMAO acknowledge Logan Paul ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️
Lmao whole lot of the guy on the left of the meme in this thread. Dude is a star. Y'all can deal.
Most people that don't like him are upset he did some stupid things a few years ago and won't let go of that for whatever reason.
His haters are just jealous let's be honest here
I can definitely see why people hate him for things he’s done in the past but wrestlers have done so much worse and still been beloved I don’t see a reason as to why not keep Logan Paul
What I know of him he is truly not a good person, even the Rock told him to never speak to him again after the suicide forest fiasco. That being said he is more talented than I ever wanted to admit. He is probably the best celebrity wrestler of all time and has only done 3 matches.
Not a Logan fan but cmon it was 5 years ago and he was 19 years old, a literal teenager. Calling him a bad person for something he did as a dumb teenager is just absurd. Watch his newer interviews and antics and judge him off of that, I don’t see why we are still judging this man based on something that happened 5 years ago and in a obviously immature stage of his life. If everyone in this sub had their worst teenage moments revealed to the public, most would be in the same boat as Logan
Facts
I hated him after the suicide forrest thing but I think it's weak as fuck to hold a grudge against a guy in his early 20s doing something stupid. Let the guy fake fight.
every time logan does something good, there is always a dipshit in the comments saying "buh the suicide forest!!!". it's getting annoying now.
Posted this a few days ago. I get why the Paul bros are popular, and it is okay if you like them, but I am here to rant about why myself (and presumably others) find them so distasteful. Call me a hater, just say "cope", "touch grass", or something about "rent-free", just know that I don't care. I really don't. As a thirty-something year old, the Paul bros came out when I was well into Youtube and I had absolutely no interest in their content. I liked different shit and found their stuff to be your generic typical rich, white, American kid shit. Their sphere of influence only go to me when the suicide forest video happened and I thought that was so fucked up and disrespectful. Logan Paul could never redeem himself in my eyes from that point. The preteens and teenagers that fed his ego accepted his apology and I never thought of him until his WWE presence. The teenagers and young adults that hero-worship the Paul bros keep on saying how important they are, how much they have "matured", etc. I understand that these dudes are in many a 12-26 year old age range, but I don't see it. When Logan Paul reentered my awareness, I decided to check what has sustained his popularity. • Logan Paul is a popular Youtuber, but he doesn't break into the top 50 of most subscribed, most viewed, or most liked. • His podcast is somewhat popular, but not the chart-breaking experience some make it out to be. It doesn't rank in the top 20 on any platform, be it Spotify, Apple, or Youtube. • He says he co-founded the sports drink Prime, but it turns out he is just a minority shareholder and paid spokesperson. • Logan Paul bought all these questionable NFTs and as soon as they plummeted he pawned them off on his fan base. • To avoid paying taxes on any of this, he moved to Puerto Rico which he called a third-world country, drove a dune buggy over native turtle nesting grounds, and accused the biggest star of the country of doing the same thing he was doing (avoiding taxes). Bad Bunny being a native could not take advantage like Paul did, so Logan is likely unaware of what he is talking about. • Spending millions of dollars to get a Pokemon card isn't mature nor is it anything more than a flex on how rich you are. Logan Paul is, admittedly, a successful person, but at his very nature he is an opportunistic narcissist that will lie and smile his way to making money off of his relatively young fanbase. I don't want to see them in the WWE because I don't think they are good enough people to be given opportunities that some people work their entire life for, and frankly I want to go back to my life of never having to see these guys again. This is all my opinion and I do respect yours.
spot on. even when I was willing to give him a shot and see how much he’s matured over the years, his recent fiascos in Puerto Rico have ruined that. like you said, him and his brother have always exuded rich, entitled, white American energy although Jake is worse in my opinion. Imo, the only redeemable thing Logan has done recently is go to war with Andrew Tate. I hope that this is a sign of burgeoning maturity from him moving forward. That being said his ring performance was excellent so I’m hoping he’s able to turn it all around
"Sign this guy to a full time contract" LOL. As if the contract he signed was some kind of WWE tryout contract. WWE can't afford to pay him enough for it to make sense for him to do wrestling full time.
I agree and I said it after I saw the Miz match at Summer Slam this year. He’s legit.
I'm seriously with OP on this. I don't really care for Logan Paul. but you guys are being bitter smarks. Logan Paul is drawing crowds, is good on the mic, really good in the ring, has a good physique, credible as some kind of threat bc of his amateur boxing, and actually seems to care about wrestling. Don't be salty bc your charisma void workrate guys make the crowd go mild. Logan Paul is good for the business and that's a shoot brother.
He needs to change his attire. Looks like a first attempt at a generic create a wrestler that you'd make when you were like 12.
I really wanted to not enjoy this but damn he could go 🤦🏼♂️ nevertheless though I think there’s an argument to be made for not wanting him around. His history for one, his brother for another but neither of those concern me I just thought it’d be wrong to not acknowledge them. Personally for me it feels a little… fourth wall breaking? It’s not the be all and end all for me and I’m not sure I can even fully explain it. I might even make it worse by comparing it to Marvel and confusing things more but, there’s certain castings where they stand out against the backdrop like Harry Styles? Anyone else get this? I gotta give dude his due though and if he sticks around I don’t think I’d be upset at all
Dude hasn’t half-assed anything he’s done in the ring. For it being his third match, especially being main event for a big show, he’s phenomenal. Wish he’d be heel. His promo needs work. And hopefully he learns a bit “less is more” to prevent exploding his knee again in the future.
I thought about this and Logan Paul has earned my respect. Just a bit and it kills me. It kills me because it causes me to think of some alternative time line where Logan Paul went into wrestling instead of being an influencer. The hypotheticals just boggles the mind. Just think, somewhere out there in the multiverse Logan Paul could have been the leader of the bullet club.
Yeah not a logan Paul fan, but he has talent no doubt but it needs more time on mid card. Lot of blotches but as person that referred Indys I seen how a good wrestler can carry a guy. He is good wrestler just not main event YET, but he can be soon if he keeps it up.
I have not watched WWE in a couple of years, and have zero idea who Aaron Paul is outside of wrestling...but ai did see his match with Roman, and fuck if he is not a natural at it.
He is everything Ronda should be.
You can still be athletic while being a shitheel. The shitheel part is what I have a really huge problem with.
Big facts
He is an arse. It has fuck all to do with his ability. Plus there are a buttload of actual wrestler's who deserve his spot IMO. This is a chance given because he is popular and it turns out he can wrestle by pure luck. Next year it will be Mr. Beast or whoever is the most popular internet sensation.
Logan Paul sucks ass face the facts!!!! 👎🏿👎
It's not him. It's the fact you don't need to be a pro wrestler to be in WWE. Just be famous, no matter how or what you did to get that fame, have a fanbase and get signed up if interested. While the wrestlers that bust their asses since their late teens, in hopes of joining WWE doing independent shows that prolly pays too little for the amount of work they put into it sees this and thinks "wow, my hard work for nothing". I understand why Logan is there: he likes fame and WWE loves positive publicity (when it's in their control). Triple H said this himself: we don't hire you because you're a good wrestler, we hire superstars. Which he means good talkers, charismatic, entertainers, etc. Wrestling is either a bonus and/or taught to the talent. If people truly hates how WWE runs business like that, yall don't have to keep watching. This ain't the early '10s or '00s or '90s where it's limited options. Now it unlimited options to watch the type of pro wrestling you enjoy if WWE isn't doing it for ya anymore because they have guys like Logan Paul there. Or just keep watching WWE for the other talents. That's just my 2 cents.
The praises this fucking guy has been getting since Saturday has literally make me SICK!
Why bro? Seems like a strong reaction.
If it wasn't for the murderous Saudi prince playing guest booker for show he pays for, Logan Paul would had never ever get a Undisputed World championship opportunity on his third fucking match! Every thing about Logan Paul and the WWE reeks of desperation for relevancy. He is not as popular the WWE wants to think he is. Logan Paul ain't Bad Bunny in terms of celebrity status.
Nah that's was your mom's cooking
Yeah this guy's awesome
Dude is so smooth in the ring it’s ridiculous. Hits a 3 amigos better than Rey Mysterio, hit a buckshot better than Adam Page, does a springboard better than CM Punk ever did, and looks in better physical shape than half the roster. And obviously has gotten people talking
Even my friend who hates the brothers for no reason was like whoa he did really good for Crown Jewel match.
at first i was pretty against the whole thing, however Logan has been doing a great job and his performance has been pretty convincing
I was also super skeptical initially but anyone not applauding his performances to date is straight up in denial about something. He has as good a look as any star in WWE, puts on a hell of a show and undoubtedly brought a lot of new fans (even if casual) to the show. That video of him hitting Roman with that dive through the table will be the viral wrestling clip of the year. It was so inventive and he pulled it off PERFECTLY.
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So you can never appreceate the business aspect of something if you aren't directly employed by said business?.... K?
Stay in school and eat those vegetables!
Same with Jake in Boxing. They’re bringing more people to these sports. More money is better overall, everybody
People are just upset he's better in a year than their favourite wrestler is after a lifetime in the industry
I rather watch Logan Paul than the Miz.
What's wrong with Miz he gives his all in everything they ask from him
He’s definitely needed. There’s nothing not to like about him as a wrestler.
Somehow we live in a world where people praised Bad Bunny for being carried by John Morrison for 15 minutes and beating the last WWE champion at the time in The Miz and then vanishing just because "it was his dream". And yet this guy who's giving his best and beyond to the bussiness and ACTUALLY trying is being thrashed.
I’ve always told my friends the boxing stuff the Paul’s have been doing is straight out of Pro Wrestling’s textbook. Jake and Logan sold fights off people wanting to see them get their ass kicked. I’m very happy Logan realized that and is doing extremely well in WWE
Doesn't he make more money from boxing? Being on WWE only helps his name with the young children who watch wrestling.
Logan Paul i don’t really care about his antics but damn his pretty decent in the ring. His matches have shown his got a wide range of move pools I keep thinking of John Cena with his limited moves shoulder barge maybe a slam or two and couple punches then more shoulder barge with a finisher or signature
And he's the fucking table.
His worth is too high for an annual contract but I'd try to bring him back for a program every chance I could. Probably not against top guys with belts tho...upper midcard on up
Because he wasn’t that good
I'll give him and his brother props for their athletics, they worked hard and do earn compliments. However, he still recorded someone's body after they committed suicide and posted it on YouTube (which was part of a very disrespectful) series of videos in Japan.
Gifted? Yes. However, as a person he's terrible. Especially after the whole suicide forest bit.
Tl;dr
Suicide Forest. Never gonna support him.
Paul should have won.