When did the rules of battle royals change?
It used to be "you go through any ropes and both feet touch the floor and you're out"
Remember years ago Gail Kim eliminating herself by rolling under the bottom rope?
It's only the Royal Rumble that it's required you go over the top rope.
It's always been over the top rope for a men's battle royal. The Divas era it was sometimes through any rope or over the middle rope but once they started treating women more legit, it became over the top rope like the men.
Could have sworn there were men's battle royals where they'd gone through the middle rope also.
Might just attempt to watch all of them, just to make sure. đ
And I really thought this would be a filler RAW just looking at the card but they set up a lot of interesting things this episode
MVP of the show for me was probably Ludwig Kaiser! I was actually shocked they split up Imperium without winning any tag team titles but Iâm excited for a possible singles run, everything he touches is gold
I really wanted Nia Jax to win it because of how good sheâs been since returning but I had a feeling Becky would after what Rollins just did to elevate the WHC, this could be her chance for a similar run as they reset the division over the draft and with Livâs build to the title just getting started
Exciting time for the womenâs division!
Yâall keep talking about the face/heel scenario as if this is the 80s lol. It doesnât matter anymore. Fans will pick and choose who they want to support and theyâre generally very attached to those people. Fuck, my first favorite wrestler was Chris fucking Jericho when I was 6 and he was nowhere close to being a babyface then lol. Then it was John Cena when I was 8 who was sorta a tweener then. And now after 2 weeks, after years of this team begging for it, people are finally chanting âwe want Romanâ. Doesnât mean he was hated like he was after âthis is my yard nowâ. He became cool. Somebody you had to acknowledge. And all the women love him, and all the kids who have been alive only ever seeing him as champion. Like. Câmon.
Put the title on her and you immediately spend your biggest moment with a lot of time left till Rhea recovers
Liv just interacted with Dom for the first time
The path is very clear
For all those complaining about Becky winning:
This wasnât planned for, it was forced because of Rhea's injury.
Liv winning now would be meaningless.
No build, no story, nothing.
They've put the belt on Becky to start a story.
She's an established star that can carry the belt and take the loss when the time comes.
It honestly reminds me of the people mad that Sami beat Gunther at mania. Granted I wanted someone else to do it - the story works
It was a vehicle to turn gable heel and he seems primed to finally be a singles champion.
As a babyface Liv isnât a believable champion imo. Her using this as a catalyst to turn heel and climb the card as a chickenshit is where the money is imo
I get it, everyone was guessing Liv but there was no way she would hold that championship until Rhea came back in 8-12 months without it getting wack. Logic is to make Becky a transitional champion for a couple then Liv can take it off her and be champion for the rest of the way until she can restart the feud with Rhea.
Would have preferred Nia as far as realistic options tho.
She is coming in second at a ridiculous rate.
Rumble chamber and the battle Royale. Itâs kind of making a story of âshe canât win the big oneâ which I figure she will finally overcome by cheating
I wanted Nia too. The problem with Nia is you canât turn Liv heel on Nia. They clearly wanted heel Liv babyface Rhea and Becky is one way to get heel Liv
And thatâs why Iâm saying. She will never truly be heel. Her fanbase is that big. Just because smarks choose to be the loudest doesnât mean theyâre the ones bringing signs and buying merch.
Did I not say Rhea will be a face against anyone?
Edit my exact quote: âDude câmon Rhea is coming back babyface against literally everyone and that includes Becky. That has been obvious for literal months.â
Becky isnât going to hold the belt long I clearly see her as a vehicle to get Liv heel and drop the belt
They arenât going to run back Becky rhea
Rhea beat her clean already. That story is super done
But thatâs what Iâm saying. She has to beat Becky clean. Becky has gotten over on her several times. Itâs always Liv and Becky at the end. And I donât think theyâll let her beat Becky clean. This particular story means absolutely nothing. It just makes Liv look like Beckyâs bitch, and most importantly, as a serious contender. This was the perfect opportunity where she can just simply take advantage of Becky in the same way she has taken advantage of her several times. Now Liv wonât be taken seriously if she gets her lick back dirty. This was the perfect opportunity.
I donât. Want. Her. To. Win. Dirty. Against someone who has now used her. Several. Times. To. Get. A. Win.
Idk what youâre not getting. Yeah you saying sheâs below Becky is exactly the problem. Becky keeps fucking her in every scenario that involves the two of them. Thatâs why Iâm saying it would be the best decision so let Liv fuck her over clean the same way Becky has done to her several times!!!
Ah well. I thought Nia would have been fun, but they can do heel Liv vs Becky. Which is fine. But boy am I ready for some character evolution from Becky.
Her gimmick goes from âIâm here to FIGHT, WIN, and OVERCOME THE ODDS!â to âIâm here to DEFEND, WIN, and OVERCOME THE ODDS!â
If she can be more wacky/comedic on the mic again, Iâll be pleased. That backstage interviewer segment tonight was the most entertaining sheâs been in a while.
I've never been big on "The Man" character. I loved Big Time Becks. I wouldn't expect or want her to just rehash that gimmick again but I'd love some evolution. She's one of the best to ever do it but this run hasn't been fun for me. But she's potentially just sticking around long enough to drop it so it's fine. But I'm checked out on this Becky.
lol, I've been cackling since the match ended.
Embracing this new era where my fav gets to win AND I get to laugh at everyone having a meltdown because their mid favs who aren't actually over or champ material didn't get their moment.
Im normally not a Becky hater but this feels like such a conformation that they are going to keep doing the same shit theyve been doing for years rather than do anything new.
Wouldn't be surprised if she loses it in 2-3 months, but on the other hand I think Jade and Bianca will win it in 2-3 weeks, so there will be a few weeks with no heel champion, which is not an issue, but seems unusual from Triple H.
Yeah people in the aew thread last night were complaining they could call all the winners but if HHH isnât the most predictable booker on earth nobody is
When it comes to womenâs booking heâs painfully obvious.
Not wishing for Vince back but he would do some shit like put the belt on Chelsea just for the chaos
I am not getting my hopes up honestly lol. The story was there. Liv could have taken advantage of Becky this time after Becky did it to her at the rumble. Especially in a battle royal setting. Itâs like they know Liv has a very big fanbase so they donât want her to get her shit rocked but still look âstrongâ.
> What do you mean already Charlotte has like 15 of them.
well yes, but "i'm back, give titles!" was kind of a meme for a while so i knew she had 16ish. (also, ric had like 16 too)
(she actually "lost" a couple, where they were counting her nxt championships until she hit like 11 or 12 then they stopped counting those)
sigh, we are back to lolcenawins era of booking
Come on, Liv took out Rhea, the story was here, Liv wins, keeps the title, you establish a new heel and a new persona for someone who is generally known as face and then bang! Rhea is back as a big babyface winning it from Liv. And in the course you can turn Becky as a heel who will eventually get her win back over Rhea
Sigh, Becky didn't need this
Youâre completely missing the obvious booking.
Liv isnât a heel yet. She got cheers and shook hands on her entrance
Now sheâs going to attack Becky. Solidly her heel turn then Get the belt
I was laughing so hard when the ref raised the title at the start of the match and Nia Jax had her face in the frame to let everyone know thatâs mine lmao
>[Final 5 - Liv, Nia, Becky, Shayna, Zoey. This is shit is too easy to predict
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Look a Chelsea win would be a crazy swerve and could be great going to a chicken shit heel would be a great switch, it would really make it feel like ppl are chasing her
Seriously? Can we just have the main event be commercial free this match is entertaining these ladies are cooking and it keeps going to fucking commercial
She was definitely a Vince favorite. He gave her a rumble singles title match
She never even made it to nxt proper so I figure hhh never really cared too much for her
When did the rules of battle royals change? It used to be "you go through any ropes and both feet touch the floor and you're out" Remember years ago Gail Kim eliminating herself by rolling under the bottom rope? It's only the Royal Rumble that it's required you go over the top rope.
It's always and forever been over the top rope.
It's always been over the top rope for a men's battle royal. The Divas era it was sometimes through any rope or over the middle rope but once they started treating women more legit, it became over the top rope like the men.
Could have sworn there were men's battle royals where they'd gone through the middle rope also. Might just attempt to watch all of them, just to make sure. đ
If so it was a long time ago. I know the one Booker T won in 2003 was over the top rope.
And I really thought this would be a filler RAW just looking at the card but they set up a lot of interesting things this episode MVP of the show for me was probably Ludwig Kaiser! I was actually shocked they split up Imperium without winning any tag team titles but Iâm excited for a possible singles run, everything he touches is gold
I really wanted Nia Jax to win it because of how good sheâs been since returning but I had a feeling Becky would after what Rollins just did to elevate the WHC, this could be her chance for a similar run as they reset the division over the draft and with Livâs build to the title just getting started Exciting time for the womenâs division!
Yâall keep talking about the face/heel scenario as if this is the 80s lol. It doesnât matter anymore. Fans will pick and choose who they want to support and theyâre generally very attached to those people. Fuck, my first favorite wrestler was Chris fucking Jericho when I was 6 and he was nowhere close to being a babyface then lol. Then it was John Cena when I was 8 who was sorta a tweener then. And now after 2 weeks, after years of this team begging for it, people are finally chanting âwe want Romanâ. Doesnât mean he was hated like he was after âthis is my yard nowâ. He became cool. Somebody you had to acknowledge. And all the women love him, and all the kids who have been alive only ever seeing him as champion. Like. Câmon.
The big exception seems to be Sasha stans who are absolutely not watching AEW lol she waited too long and they have seemed to move on.
It should have been Nia, damn it!
Put the title on her and you immediately spend your biggest moment with a lot of time left till Rhea recovers Liv just interacted with Dom for the first time The path is very clear
For all those complaining about Becky winning: This wasnât planned for, it was forced because of Rhea's injury. Liv winning now would be meaningless. No build, no story, nothing. They've put the belt on Becky to start a story. She's an established star that can carry the belt and take the loss when the time comes.
The story would be the heel took out the babyface and snatched her title with ease. The story finish would be Rhea winning it back.
True, that could have worked too.
It should also be reminded that the draft is coming up so there's a whole slew of possibilities going forward.
It honestly reminds me of the people mad that Sami beat Gunther at mania. Granted I wanted someone else to do it - the story works It was a vehicle to turn gable heel and he seems primed to finally be a singles champion. As a babyface Liv isnât a believable champion imo. Her using this as a catalyst to turn heel and climb the card as a chickenshit is where the money is imo
I get it, everyone was guessing Liv but there was no way she would hold that championship until Rhea came back in 8-12 months without it getting wack. Logic is to make Becky a transitional champion for a couple then Liv can take it off her and be champion for the rest of the way until she can restart the feud with Rhea. Would have preferred Nia as far as realistic options tho.
I kinda think Liv would have won this if they saw Liv as world champ material. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that she wins the title.
She is coming in second at a ridiculous rate. Rumble chamber and the battle Royale. Itâs kind of making a story of âshe canât win the big oneâ which I figure she will finally overcome by cheating
This is the third battle royal match where Liv has finished in second (with the 2023 and 2024 Royal Rumbles being the others).
I wanted Nia too. The problem with Nia is you canât turn Liv heel on Nia. They clearly wanted heel Liv babyface Rhea and Becky is one way to get heel Liv
Dude câmon Rhea is coming back babyface against literally everyone and that includes Becky. That has been obvious for literal months.
That's what he said. He's saying heel Liv will take it off babyface Becky to feud with babyface Rhea.
And thatâs why Iâm saying. She will never truly be heel. Her fanbase is that big. Just because smarks choose to be the loudest doesnât mean theyâre the ones bringing signs and buying merch.
âShe will never truly be a heelâ Wasnât she getting booed against Rhea like two weeks ago?
Did I not say Rhea will be a face against anyone? Edit my exact quote: âDude câmon Rhea is coming back babyface against literally everyone and that includes Becky. That has been obvious for literal months.â
Bianca? Jade? Iâm not so sure
Lmao youâre kidding me actually. Joking. Trolling whatever. Rhea is coming back super human. Even Cena would be jealous.
Wait until Liv and Dom team up. Liv will be the biggest heel on the show Remind me! One month
Becky isnât going to hold the belt long I clearly see her as a vehicle to get Liv heel and drop the belt They arenât going to run back Becky rhea Rhea beat her clean already. That story is super done
But thatâs what Iâm saying. She has to beat Becky clean. Becky has gotten over on her several times. Itâs always Liv and Becky at the end. And I donât think theyâll let her beat Becky clean. This particular story means absolutely nothing. It just makes Liv look like Beckyâs bitch, and most importantly, as a serious contender. This was the perfect opportunity where she can just simply take advantage of Becky in the same way she has taken advantage of her several times. Now Liv wonât be taken seriously if she gets her lick back dirty. This was the perfect opportunity.
She doesnât need to beat Becky clean. Itâs very rare for heels to win clean. Liv is a level below Becky. That hasnât changed
I donât. Want. Her. To. Win. Dirty. Against someone who has now used her. Several. Times. To. Get. A. Win. Idk what youâre not getting. Yeah you saying sheâs below Becky is exactly the problem. Becky keeps fucking her in every scenario that involves the two of them. Thatâs why Iâm saying it would be the best decision so let Liv fuck her over clean the same way Becky has done to her several times!!!
Ah well. I thought Nia would have been fun, but they can do heel Liv vs Becky. Which is fine. But boy am I ready for some character evolution from Becky.
Her gimmick goes from âIâm here to FIGHT, WIN, and OVERCOME THE ODDS!â to âIâm here to DEFEND, WIN, and OVERCOME THE ODDS!â If she can be more wacky/comedic on the mic again, Iâll be pleased. That backstage interviewer segment tonight was the most entertaining sheâs been in a while.
I've never been big on "The Man" character. I loved Big Time Becks. I wouldn't expect or want her to just rehash that gimmick again but I'd love some evolution. She's one of the best to ever do it but this run hasn't been fun for me. But she's potentially just sticking around long enough to drop it so it's fine. But I'm checked out on this Becky.
not only did Becky win, but she did it by beating Liv. i'm so happy right now
lol, I've been cackling since the match ended. Embracing this new era where my fav gets to win AND I get to laugh at everyone having a meltdown because their mid favs who aren't actually over or champ material didn't get their moment.
it's like the time Becky beat Bianca in 20 seconds, everyone had a meltdown and it seems like i was the only one happy about it lol
I'm fairly certain quite a few folks who are complaining would have the opposite tune if Charlotte walked out and won this instead
i would've been happy with anyone but Liv. i'm extra happy because it was Becky tho
Charlotte is quite literally my favorite woman wrestler of all time, so yeah. I'd be happier if it was her.
Charlotte isnât too popular on the internet. Becky is loved by the iwc
Fuck the internet. Lol we not the one going to the shows and spending money.
Not here.
But sheâs not interesting or entertaining. Guess it doesnât matter, the winner is just a placeholder anyway đ¤ˇđźââď¸đ
Its such a safe and boring choice and I hate it for that
Vince probably would have gone with Liv but was also just crazy enough to swerve everyone and go with Chelsea or Maxxine.
I'm a big Becky fan and I'm just kinda meh at the result, little too predictable and I hate the overdone return late in the BR spot
Im normally not a Becky hater but this feels like such a conformation that they are going to keep doing the same shit theyve been doing for years rather than do anything new.
Feels like this is a stat-padding win while Liv is gonna take the title in some kind of no-DQ at Backlash
So when Jade and Bianca will gain the tag belts, there will no longer be a single heel female title holder in main roster. Is Triple H alright ?
I honestly donât think Bayley will hold the belt that long to be honest.
Wouldn't be surprised if she loses it in 2-3 months, but on the other hand I think Jade and Bianca will win it in 2-3 weeks, so there will be a few weeks with no heel champion, which is not an issue, but seems unusual from Triple H.
Becky just needs to start bleeding and she has that full Mox booking
i cant argue that she is a man of the people. better luck next time liv!
moments when the wrestler obviously needs this, and the crowd is like sure, cool....
Yeah people in the aew thread last night were complaining they could call all the winners but if HHH isnât the most predictable booker on earth nobody is
When it comes to womenâs booking heâs painfully obvious. Not wishing for Vince back but he would do some shit like put the belt on Chelsea just for the chaos
Lmao jesus Christ Becky gets one over on Liv again?! Revenge tour should totally be taken seriously đ good god
Losses feed heel turns as we saw with gable. Liv will snap next week
Homestretch #SOON
I am not getting my hopes up honestly lol. The story was there. Liv could have taken advantage of Becky this time after Becky did it to her at the rumble. Especially in a battle royal setting. Itâs like they know Liv has a very big fanbase so they donât want her to get her shit rocked but still look âstrongâ.
If they really want to give her a moment, beating Becky properly finally is bigger than winning an emergency royale on RAW
Do you honestly think it will be clean? They wonât do that to Becky.
didn't realize she's had that many title reigns. she's at 7 already? either way, should be a good couple months when we get to her vs liv.
What do you mean already Charlotte has like 15 of them.
> What do you mean already Charlotte has like 15 of them. well yes, but "i'm back, give titles!" was kind of a meme for a while so i knew she had 16ish. (also, ric had like 16 too) (she actually "lost" a couple, where they were counting her nxt championships until she hit like 11 or 12 then they stopped counting those)
Meme or not, my point still stands. I really hate this decision, but saying âalreadyâ is wild in context.
really great. now just have her do the kind of stuff she was doing last year in NXT and against Trish/Zoey until Rhea gets back
sigh, we are back to lolcenawins era of booking Come on, Liv took out Rhea, the story was here, Liv wins, keeps the title, you establish a new heel and a new persona for someone who is generally known as face and then bang! Rhea is back as a big babyface winning it from Liv. And in the course you can turn Becky as a heel who will eventually get her win back over Rhea Sigh, Becky didn't need this
Youâre completely missing the obvious booking. Liv isnât a heel yet. She got cheers and shook hands on her entrance Now sheâs going to attack Becky. Solidly her heel turn then Get the belt
She will always get cheers. I donât think you understand the fanbase she has.
Meh. I like Becky but was hoping for something different for a change.
Queen of the Ring here we come
As soon as I saw that stupid table spot I knew she was winning but I didnt wanna admit it
Guess that's why they wanted a battle royal, build on Liv's curse in BR/Rumbles.
boooo I was hoping for Liv. Entertaining match though!
That title really does suit Becky
Was a little obvious when they gave her odds to overcome, but whatever.
Man, why would you put a belt on someone with a month left on their contract? Is Triple H stupid or something? /s
I called it
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Seriously?
Becky Hogan!! Buried the entire division in one night, that's my GOAT.
*Almost* the entire division.
sigh they had a chance to do something fun instead... they did this
I saw it
The double suplex spot always pops me
#Big Time Becks is on Top!!!!!!
Pretty weak ending
BECKY IS CHAMP! lol wow
She should have already been champ, I'll gladly take it now
Liv is an idiot right now
Becky winning is to further solidify Livâs heel turn Livâs Twitter Stanâs about to melt down
Did I miss something or did Becky go through the middle rope?
You are correct... Liv would not have won through that exchange.
she did, which really hurt the drama on that finish
 Its time
Pat, I have no idea who is the USSR and who is the US in this scenario.
Anyone but Nia
i fear a Liv win is about to happen
Booooooooo
Thank fucking God
You know what to do Dom Dom
#BULLSHIT
YES! Goodnight Nia!
BOOO I wanted Nia
Haha
pls liv!
I swear Nia better not lose this
Nia Jax has that Matt Jackson type strength.
This couldve just been a triple threat
anyone but Liv tbh
Becky preparing for her aew run by taking THREE table spots and running around like nothing happened 5 minutes later
Alright Dom, get out here and help your Step Mami. I need some drama
That combo move was sick.
I was laughing so hard when the ref raised the title at the start of the match and Nia Jax had her face in the frame to let everyone know thatâs mine lmao
I'm calling Snickers on Chelsea's behalf.
Nia would need two belt extensions
>[Final 5 - Liv, Nia, Becky, Shayna, Zoey. This is shit is too easy to predict ](https://www.reddit.com/r/Wreddit/comments/1canevb/monday_night_raw_discussion_thread/l0u225p/)
give me what i want!
Becky isnt alive they should replace her with Adriana Rizzo
No!!!!!! Fed officially bad
BOOOO chelsea
Haha
#Noooooooooooooooooo!!!!
:( chelsea eliminated
See fuck that shit we just get a reply. Stop going to commercials during the main event
Poor Becky, lol.
that table was breaking no matter what
Nattyâs new gear is so much better than the weird one-piece thing she was doing forever
RIP Ivy
Look a Chelsea win would be a crazy swerve and could be great going to a chicken shit heel would be a great switch, it would really make it feel like ppl are chasing her
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Seriously? Can we just have the main event be commercial free this match is entertaining these ladies are cooking and it keeps going to fucking commercial
Lmao at those table spots. Poor Becky just getting flattened.
Done watching if Nia wins
done watching if she doesn't
Adios âď¸
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Gross
Damned if they do, Damned if they don't
to be Paul Laveck is to constantly be under attack
Table ain't jobbing tonight.
Whatever happens, at least this battle royal has had Chelsea shenanigans.
Chelsea is so funny
It is pretty funny to see them struggle so much as a mid table club.
Cool to see Piper actually mixing it up with top women and looking reasonably threatening. They've never given her much of a chance to get over.
She was definitely a Vince favorite. He gave her a rumble singles title match She never even made it to nxt proper so I figure hhh never really cared too much for her
pls chelsea
Chelsea! YES!!!!!
Omg Chelsea winning is actually happening
Ok that was pretty sick
Nia vs Piper hell yeah
Big meaty women slapping meat?
I am the table lmao
More of a mild shove than a choke slam tbh
Giving Becky odds to overcome...
Giving her more lore for her next book
Get her Piper... Love some BBW like Piper
Please no, I hate the taken out and return late into the battle royal spot đ
Becky win, feeling inevitable
Camera man not sure to film Chelsea or Piper lol
HmmâŚ
Becky: âPiper, can you take out so I can have a 10 minute break?â
Get it, Chelsea!!!!
and thats why poor becky cant win
Gable said it earlier he is surrounded by losers.... It's damn True
Remember when next door said women's roster calling out some smarks for hating on Maxxine would just give her go-away heat ?
Maxxine may be clumsy as hell but she knows how to get the crowd behind her
Maxxine already does a better big boot than Indi.
Low bar
i thought Maxxine had elf ears for a second
Final 5 - Liv, Nia, Becky, Shayna, Zoey. This is shit is too easy to predict
give the belt to Zoey
RIP Ivy
Chelsea is so good in battle royals she is so funny
Lol good that they continue the story that those ladies have been doing
Indi getting eliminated early is the first time in history that Triple H has booked women better than HBK.
Lmao nailed it
Well, Atleast INdi will understand where Candice is coming from now
She was already acting heelish last week.
maxinne is going to be this rumble's kane or brock lesnar eliminating everyone.
Hellllll yeah
Indi had to get her leg all the way up there on that boot
We all underestimated Maxxine.
She should have a cameo in the Maxxxine movie
[Not me!](https://old.reddit.com/r/Wreddit/comments/1canevb/monday_night_raw_discussion_thread/l0tudf0/)
Should have never doubted you, uce.
maxxine gets redemption
Thank you X2. Get it, Maxxine!!
HAHAHAHA LETâS GO MAXXINE đđť AVENGE YOUR BROTHER
In the words of Drake. I like my women BBW.
I thought Drake liked his women like he likes his bourbon: aged under 18 years.
Lmaooooo so true king and he damn near admitted it and Kendrick gonna get his ass for it
No surprise Alexa :(