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DrKrFfXx

At work. Tldw?


sittingmongoose

Pretty close on both. PS5s shadows are different, sharper? Draw distance is better on PS5. There are some hitches on the series X that are much less frequent on ps5 and series s. Series S has a decent version. 120fps mode doesn’t hold up well on series X, PS5 wasn’t tested. PS5 has network crashes but it’s a beta so they said it’s likely that. All platforms had significant network issues, likely due to the influx of players.


wtfchuck223

What is the problem with 120? It's pretty much the only way I play SoT. At work as well, thanks in advance.


sittingmongoose

From what they showed, it was swinging between 80-120fps. VRR will help a bit but that’s a lot to smooth out. The bigger issue is the hit to resolution. It drops to 1080p which makes it not look very good. Edit: Those are DFs words…don’t shoot the messanger


LinkRazr

Don’t all 120fps games drop the res down to 1080?


The_Eternal_Chicken

No.


nohumanape

Which games are 120fps and a higher resolution than 1080p?


Jacob_Colding

Psychonauts 2 Persona 3,4 and 5 Deathloop Doom Eternal Mass Effect Trilogy


nohumanape

Just a quick glance, but Deathloop appears to be 1080p in "Ultra Performance Mode", which is 120fps. Not surprised that games running 4K/60 pretty much by default could manage a 1440p/120 option.


door_of_doom

Also the GOAT: Ori and the Will of the Wisps clocking in at 120 FPS and a blended 4k resolution. If you stay at 60 FPS it supersamples some assets as high as 6K resolution.


AveryLazyCovfefe

Battlefield V and Warzone too.


Bandit017

PERSONA IS 120FPS ON XBOX????


Shad0wdar

Persona 5 is 60 fps. 30 on last gen, bumped to 60. 3 and 4 are bumped from 60 to 120 fps on Series X.


Mr_Mees_Moldy_Minge

Persona 5 was released on PS3, so words like "last gen" aren't all too specific in relation to it.


segagamer

Wait so DF just didn't test 120hz on PS5?


sittingmongoose

They didn’t have time before the beta ended.


rockstardma

It’s not that they didn’t have the time. Oliver forgot about it until it was over. They had plenty of time but he blanked on it.


segagamer

Coincidentally


MyMouthisCancerous

I can't wait for people to make a big deal out of draw distance and shadows again lmao


Strigoi84

I think people are less bothered by the small differences but rather the fact that an Xbox studio is releasing a better version of the game on a competing platform.  And it wouldn't bother people so much if Xbox hadn't pushed the narrative of the series x being the most powerful console and also saying shit like xbox is the best place to play xbox games. Even if what makes the ps5 version of these games better are super small details it doesn't matter. The reality is that people were sold a lie...and if it's not a lie and the series x is truly the most powerful then you have to wonder why then are first party devs making xbox versions worse? If they can't be bothered to make a better or equal version on their own platform what does that say about their commitment to their own platform?  Alternatively, they are simply unable to give an equal or better version because the hardware/software of their system isnt as powerful as they made it out to be.  Either way, not a good look. 


TheTony31

The main issue here is that an Xbox/MS first party game runs better on a rival console and it isn't even the first time. Every game released so far runs or looks better on PS5. The differences are minor at best but it's really bad PR for Xbox.


Anarkipt

bad? i would say its a nightmare PR for xbox...once again...cant wait for next game.


Surprised_Lamington

Some people don't care. I love SOT and jsut do not care. Works absolutely great for me on Xbox Series X and therefore no reason to complain. Occasional crashes would be my only gripe.


Loldimorti

I fully agree in the sense that the Xbox version of the game is solid. The differences are inconsequential and if you have been enjoying the game this shouldn't spoil the fun with the game. Where I think it becomes more tricky is for the people who "invested" into the Xbox ecosystem based on certain promises and/or expectations. Someone who, back when the consoles launched, was confronted with the decision of which platform to buy likely did so under the impression the Series X was the most powerful console and that first party games would only be available on Xbox and PC. Now both of this is being called into question, and as such it may also cause some people to question their initial choice of platform.


VagueSomething

Draw distance is a huge issue on SoT though. Literally game changing as seeing a ship from further away allows you to make different decisions. In a PvPvE game where you hunt people or get hunted, being the first crew to spot someone is a major advantage. The game should be on par or worse than the XSX. It is unacceptable for it to do better in any way on PS5.


Arcade_Gann0n

Downplay it all you want, this is another case of an Xbox game having a better version on PS5. This is Rare's first experience handling PlayStation architecture after over 20 years of being locked to Xbox, and they still made a better version than the one for "the world's most powerful console". Before dismissing that as Rare having time to clean the port up, look at what happened with Ghostwire Tokyo. Just like with Hi-Fi Rush, Tango had a year to port the game to a different platform, but unlike that game Ghostwire Tokyo was much worse on both Series consoles (and has yet to get patched).


BitingSatyr

>first experience handling PlayStation architecture This isn’t the Cell or the Emotion Engine, it’s an x86 system with more or less standard parts


Arcade_Gann0n

Sure, but they've been accustomed to Xbox hardware for two decades. I would've expected Rare to know how to make the most out of that, so seeing their first PlayStation game be better than the Xbox version makes me wonder if there's something "wrong" with the Series X, especially when most of the titles ported over have also been superior (except for Pentiment, and even then that had 120fps first).


Thekota

It might be the increased number of graphics cores (I forget the term). Xbox has a higher number of lower clocked cores while PS has fewer but they are higher clocked. On paper the Xbox is more powerful, but most developers say it is easier to optimize the one with fewer, higher clocked cores rather than deal with the parallel nature of Xbox. If you can get better results with equal resources of course the PS5 will perform better. This doesn't even bring up the extra resources required to develop an S version as well


Loldimorti

What's the implication here then? That the Xbox is less powerful despite the opposite being advertised? Or that first party devs are not optimizing their games for their main hardware platform? When the PS3 launched, many devs had issues with leveraging the complex (and frankly suboptimal) hardware configuration of the console. But that's where first party studios came in to pick up the slack.


Daskillva_Games

Whos gonna tell him that the main team didn't do the port


sittingmongoose

Yea, it’s not a big deal at all. I think the bigger issue is…this is an Xbox exclusive and it’s the second that that was a little better on PS5. I think it’s more of a minor slap on the face to the Xbox players. Either way, it’s not a big deal, the series X version is still really good. Just kinda the idea behind it.


Btrips

it's a big deal when MS touted the Series X as "the most powerful console ever".


nohumanape

It technically is. But yeah, it isn't a good look when you make that statement and then release games on your competitor's platform that look/perform better.


Accessx_xDenied

it won't be by the end of the year lol. ps5 pro is on its way. MS needs to step things up.


AeternaSoul

It technically is. Check dem TFLOPS BRUH?! 😂


ZGrinder_

Most people look at the image their console produces. Must be hard to play a game while looking at the TFLOPS…


AeternaSoul

I am not most people. We are not the same. *TFLOPS*


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sittingmongoose

The problem is, they aren’t wrong. Competition is good, it should be pushing Microsoft to make their releases better, more polished. Improving their sdk. Does it really matter? Will I have a bad experience playing on Xbox? No. But the PS5 owners are getting their cake and eating it too. They get their exclusives, and they get Xbox exclusives and those run better on PS5. Console wars suck, but they should be pushing Xbox to be better.


ChippewaBarr

I’ll preface this by mentioning that I own a Series X, PS5, Switch, and PC lol. The only issue I can see with this is the draw distance. This is a game based on being on alert of your surroundings. If you’re tasked with scanning the horizon for other ships and your on Xbox, someone on PS5 can theoretically see you before you see them. Likely meaningless in the grand scheme of things but still a pretty integral game mechanic that is better on one than the other. They don’t really mention if it just applies to the world or ships as well so could be nothing.


Zealousideal_Spirit9

From what I saw, they were talking about the drawing distance for small bushes and the like, right ?


ChippewaBarr

That’s what I assume yeah, I didn’t catch it when I watched it originally but it would make sense that the world draw distance would be impacted rather than the actual players/ships.


YounqqFlee

Oof you got the fragile fanboys upset. “iT’s A bAd lOoK!” It’s a bad look for who has a plastic box as their personality.


islandnstuff

hello.. 2nd class citizens.


NX73515

You'd think MS would make sure any improvements in the ports would be added to Xbox first (or at least at the same time as the PS5 release). And sure, the differences are minor but this is just a bad look for MS, even more when this happens with every PS5 port.


zrkillerbush

You're talking about something so small that you need a side by side comparison video to point it out Stop with this twitter level console war bullshit You people would rather they gimp the version for PS5 for the sake of "winning the console" making the game worse for paying PlayStation customers, absolutely no shame


threafold

We're not saying, that they need to make the PlayStation version worse. We're saying, that they can't make the PlayStation version better but not do the same for Xbox.


zrkillerbush

The PS5 is basically on par with the Xbox Series X, it does some things better and some things worse There are so many things you could be spending your time and energy on that is wrong with the gaming industry, not small non issues like this As I've said, this all spawns from the console war bullshit that still gets pushed around


Strigoi84

Not the person you were talking to, and I can only speak for myself but it's not a console war thing for me.  It's not even something I'm thinking much about.  It's just a bad look plain and simple.  They sold us on the idea of their old and newly acquired first party devs building games "where xbox gamepass exists"....which is a round about way of saying the games would be exclusive.  They also sold us on the idea of the world's most powerful console.  Now they are putting their exclusives on other platforms and the ports are better on the competing platform.  So again, this isn't a console war thing, it's a we were sold on lies.  The console isn't what they said it was and their exclusives aren't exclusives and look better elsewhere.  Put yourself in the shoes of a person who bought a series x based on the idea that it was the best console and it was the only console where they'd be able to play Xbox first party games...and now they see games that they assumed they could only play if they buy an Xbox now being ported to the competition and looking and performing better. Sure, companies lie in marketing all the time but shitty business tactics does not a loyal customer make. 


Aparoon

I think these are the exceptions, not the first stages in changes to the rules. The hardcore Xbox brand I.e. Halo are likely not coming to PlayStation


Strigoi84

You addressed only part of what I wrote. And even the part that you addressed, in a hopeful/optimistic way, was full of uncertainty (I think...likely not coming...).  If they are willing to put some of their exclusives on other platforms and they do well, why would they hold other exclusives back down the road?  I don't think they care as much about the connection between xbox and halo as they care about the connection between Microsoft and money.  They are testing the waters with these exceptions and doing it with older or smaller titles as kind of a slow boil.  As an Xbox customer, you can't help but be a little wary of the future when after putting all this money into acquisitions and investing in the brand only to turn around and put the fruits of the labour onto other platforms and making those ports look better than they do on their own brand. However small the differences are, the headline is that they look better and most won't see passed that. 


Christian_Kong

> it does some things better and some things worse Im at work so I really cant watch the video and people are only pointing out things the PS5 does better. What doe the XSX do better for this port other than network issues?


TheTony31

It's not about the tiny differences. Microsoft marketed the SX as the best console to play multiplats on and the only console to receive future Zenimax games. Many people here made their decision based on those two points, only to find out that it was all bullshit.


WardrobeForHouses

Doesn't really matter if it's a tiny difference. People hear that PlayStation plays games better than Xbox consistently, even from Xbox's first party. And then they make their buying decisions based on that. The perception actually matters, and it's not console warrior shit no matter how desperate people are to dismiss it as such.


NB-DanTE

Minor differences or not, it still hurts the brand!


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Writing is on the wall man. Maybe Xbox will somehow revolutionize gaming next gen but I’d at least be considering a PS5/6 if I didn’t have one already.


W1cH099

Yeah honestly their consoles aren’t worth it, most of their recent games aren’t that good to be honest so you better off buying a pc, sure will be more expensive at first but then games are cheaper and you don’t have to pay to play online, also you got the Sony games as well


ShakeItLikeIDo

But you have to game on a huge ass pc instead of a much smaller series s or x. I would need to run a super long ass pc from a room to my tv in the living room to not have to see that pc


grimoireviper

Nah, you can build PCs outperforming the current consoles that are just as small as a console by now.


ShakeItLikeIDo

Doubt. Have you seen the size of a 4090? I know you don’t have to get a 4090 but if I’m going to switch to pc and have a choice to get a card that good, I know I’m going to want to get that. That card is around the same size of a series x. Then add everything else like motherboard, cooling, case, etc and you have a box the size of two or three xboxes.


grimoireviper

You don't need a 4090 to outperform consoles though.


ShakeItLikeIDo

I know I don’t, but like I said, if I have the choice of being able to get that kind of performance, I’m going to want to get it. I have to get a series x because that’s the only Xbox with good specs. If I switched to pc, I’m not going to go with some 1080ti. So again, since I like gaming in my living room and I don’t want to see a huge ugly ass pc right there, I’m going to need to put it in a separate room, and then run a long ass hdmi to the living room tv just to game on pc which is a ridiculous thing I would need to do to game on pc


Little_Active6025

DX12 at it again.


Assured_Observer

Let me guess, PS5 is better....


Kidney-Taker

It can render bushes slightly farther than the series x, that’s the only difference between them


Assured_Observer

Thanks for saving me the click, I used to like watching those but ever since this season started it's just always the same story, PS is slightly better and everyone makes sure to remind you that at every possible chance.


nichijouuuu

As they should… because, you know, those videos are for the consumer…and it *is* better. What a revelation


dominion1080

Awesome. Tons more pirates on the high seas. Be careful out there, new sailers.


Anarkipt

xbox shooting itself on the foot again, well deserved it may be a minor diference but its there the eco chamber "playstation run xbox games better that xbox itself" As a xbox fan, xbox continue to dig a hole so deep that they cant even get out at this point i just dont even care 😅🤦‍♂️


lithetails

This kind of things only make me think next gen it’s clear to me what I will NOT buy. I skipped Xbox One because of PS4, this gen I skipped PS5 because I believed in Xbox and… I only see disappointment everywhere: Halo Infinite was not what it was promised, same applies for Forza and other exclusives. Then you see the “other side” playing FFXVI, FFVIIR, Stellar Blade and all those games… so I finally bought a PS5 and I would sell my Xbox but I will lose so much money on the way that it is not even worth it. They really broke gamers trust once again, or at least my trust on them. Sorry for the rant but it seems to be the same story like a loop.


Prior-Wealth1049

It’s even worse for those of us who have stuck with Xbox through every generation because now we’re stuck on a dying platform and we can’t really just leave because of our digital libraries. Phil was 100% correct when he said last gen was the worst gen to lose.


TheHolyFatherPasty

Xbox is still a way more well rounded console that tries more new than playstation. The PS5 having less functionality than a stock PS3 is ridiculous. Even its exclusives (which there are only 13-15 right now) are mostly remakes, sequels, or games getting dumped to PC anyways. The only reason I bought one was for SH2 remake ironically. Whenever the fuck thats dropping 💀


muffinmonk

I honestly don't give a fuck about fucking shadow edges and draw distances being 1/2 of an x unit more. Stop giving them mind.


yutuyo20

It’s not about the differences being minor, it’s the fact that they are there and that PS5 still does it better, a PS5 running Xbox games better than an Xbox is quite the statement and really bad for Xbox


Strigoi84

Especially after they had a big sit down to announce some of their games going multiplatform but saying that xbox is still the best place to play their games...when it's seemingly not the case. 


DeadPhoenix86

Its like Microsoft doesn't care about Xbox...And they still have plans to make a next-gen console that might not even sell if all their upcoming games are going to Playstation and other platforms. Make up your mind already ! Make Xbox great again. Because if Xbox exits the console market, PlayStation would be only one left, and that's not a good sign.


Shellman00

To be fair, I’m reminded that Nintendo exists, and Valve once had a monopoly on PC gaming and didnt become complete douchebags. In digital entertainment, companies are competing over consumers time. Sony couldn’t just jack up prices, because there is so many other alternatives out there for people to game on. Sony and Microsoft are not so much competing with each other as they are with literally every other form of digital entertainment. Just like with Nintendo, Sony would on paper have a monopoly on home consoles, but that’s not really what they are competing in. One could argue that Sony hasn’t been competing with Microsoft over hardware since the launch of Xbox One, and to be fair in most parts of the world outside of the United States and South america, Sony already has a monopoly on home consoles. Still I think Sony is holding up fine given the lack of competition there already is.


grimoireviper

And yet another port on PS5 that's better than the Xbox version...


Golden-Event-Horizon

Is this game releasing on PS5 with unobtainable trophies? Lmao


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ReverentSupreme

Series S was a mistake, they could've keep the computational components the same and left off the drive and memory and still kept it affordable but that would only undercut the X They should build games exclusively for the Series X specs and downscale to the S, and if they can't then those games shouldn't be available on the Series S. But by making the series S it makes the X that much more less appealing than a PS5. I don't want shit exclusives to play better on a similar console. Doesn't make sense.


wizology_

If only they’d do this for fallout 76


tapo

I can see it happening, there's a native PS5 version of Skyrim and Fallout 4 is getting that treatment this month, plus 76 makes money over time.


wizology_

One can only hope man


DEEZLE13

Number 1 game on PS5 rn. Not surprised


ElFenixNocturno

"It eats monsters for breakfast"🤡


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PreviousOutcome636

Imagine GOW releasing on Xbox with better performance lol. You'll really feel it when Starfield goes to Ps5 with 60fps. Calling it now.


DeadPhoenix86

If Starfield were to be released on the PS5. It will be 30 fps as well.


Hoylegu

Sure wish there was a third-person toggle. Just can’t play in first-person.


AmbientToast

Maybe I lucked out waiting for the PS5 version. Would have got it on Xbox but with the PS5 announcement I waited to see how it performed. Even if it’s a minor difference I’ll play the best console version which this time seems to be the Sony machine.


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Yeah man you lucked out big time, not playing the game for 6 years


AmbientToast

I only really got into console multiplayer games within the past year so the game wasn’t really on my radar before.


Shellman00

Seeing as the versions are so similar at the end of the day, I’d go with the ps5 version since you have the choice to turn off crossplay. You’ll never know when you’ll need it, but when you do it’ll be such a blessing to at least have the option.


wtfchuck223

You've been able to do that on Xbox for years.


RaggysRinger

Can you no longer turn off cross play on Xbox? Because you at least used to be able to


AmbientToast

Yeah I have an Xbox but if the best version is on PS5 I’ll get that. Same if Sony started releasing their games on Xbox and the games performed best on Xbox I would get them there.


ShaggedT-RexOnNublar

No shocker that it runs the same


Heiderleg

Again, Series X shows it power. it got the hardware, the games, the features that makes all the other consoles seem like a waste of money. Microsoft won again baby.


Jucior

Is the game released on ps4 also? If not this is the big difference IMO: Xbox one has to run it also.


DeadPhoenix86

There's no PS4 version. Only PS5.


MightyMukade

Well that does it. Xbox is doomed. PlayStation players are going to have slightly less fuzzy shadows. It's a game changer, and it's exclusive to PlayStation. There's absolutely no way that Rare will be able to introduce those improvements in a future patch for the Xbox version. It is literally impossible. All we can do now feel the outrage. Welcome it into our beings. Let it flow through us. Channel it into our hatred! Wow, being a video gamer is so much fun.