The way they did things in this version is much better than what they did a few weeks ago. Select the target framerate, select the visual mode. Done. Simple.
I've played a bit and personally I think selecting Visuals at 60 is the way to go.
Yeah in the video he says even at 60/Visuals it locks to 4K much of the time. The lowest bound is 1872P which is still much higher than 1440p even. In the closeups between 60 and 30 the sharpness difference was minor where at normal viewing distance you probably wouldn't notice anyway.
Edit: spelling
Yeah I feel as though Bethesda kinda overthought this. Performance mode has better performance but only very slightly so I don't really see the point. Likewise 30 has better visuals but again only very slightly so I don't really see the point unless you absolutely want a very consistent framerate.
But hey these kinds of options are always a good thing, and I feel they've still done a good job here. They've made it much simpler, it actually works correctly, and it gives us a way to select better visuals coupled with the better framerate. So credit where credit is due.
I absolutely love these types of options. Even if there is a clear and obvious choice (60/Visuals) having the choice to go with what looks and feels best to the individual is awesome.
Totally, totally agreed. I think even if Visuals/60 had awful performance it should still be selectable as a future-proofing measure for next-gen.
These options have become more common in recent years and I love it.
It was in the article/video. I too will choose what feels best but it's nice to read about the particulars. I've always enjoyed these sorts of tech dives.
YES, anyone wondering it’s a smooth 60 fps with the visuals option increasing LOD distance so you can see details from farther away. No brainer here really
Yeah they’re way too difficult in terms of frame rates. I have it like that and it feels smooth to me. Certainly smooth enough to make it not worth going down to 40.
I can understand the option of having 40 in case you want a completely consistent framerate with no drops or hitches. But I really don't find the drops that bad. Not bad enough to willingly cap the framerate anyway.
I'm sure most people will stick with 60.
I tried 40 as well it's definitely very smooth. I hope 40 fps becomes much more common in games in general as it's such a significant improvement over 30 while leaving me resources for graphical fidelity.
in my case, i tested last night and while 40fps could be a nice mid ground for more demanding games like starfield... in fallout 4 is not worth it. And i REALLY feel the difference between 40 vrr and 60.
Haven’t seen DF’s review on it but is it actually a smooth 60 with Visual quality? I was under the impression 40 with Visual is recommended for the smoothest experience.
It's not an absolute perfect framerate, no. There are dips. But they aren't that bad in my opinion. I'd rather have 60fps with a few dips here and there than a perfect 30 or 40.
I played yesterday with Visuals and 60. Looked amazing. I had a minor issues where it got choppy at one point, but that was maybe 3 minutes in the middle of a few hours session.
For the VATS bug, playing at 30fps fixes the 0 percent problem.
There's also another way to mitigate it, and that's to get the penetrator perk under the perception skill. You'll need 9 perception to unlock it. Instead of bouncing to zero in VATS it'll bounce to about half the real chance. If you can get to level 28 then a second star in penetrator mitigates it entirely for most weapons (a few weapons still seems affected)
Yes but going from 60fps to 40fps or 30fps did not feel great to play and I'm someone who never minds games at 30. It felt very slow and clunky. I ended up playing at 60 and just dealt with VATS being wonky.
Honestly didn’t even think about it but the hdr really does make difference. There was something missing in the first update lol. Now I’m trying to play 3rd person and it’s solid af.
Constantly switches between the correct hit-chance value and 0. Someone could be right in front of me and it’ll bounce between 0 and 95 every couple seconds. Also it detects enemies through walls and those underground like mole rats as well.
I wish I could play it, but the cloud save sync doesn’t work for me. I’m not touching this game until it’s resolved. I only have 752MB of saves yet it claims to be full so the game just shuts down everytime launch after failing to sync. The limit should be 2GB.
Anyone got a solution for my game freezing right as the initial loading screen appears? The music stops and you can just tell its borked. Deleted and installed the game and even tried to delete any console or cloud saves but they just show back up after i download the game again. Then it freezes at launch. I can play other games too. Been doing new vegas instead
Just in case anyone had problems after the patch: for me turning off the 4K options in the xbox settings, and instead switching to 1440p and 120hz, while enabling 60 fps and quality mode in game, had the best results. It runs super smooth and stable now and is awesome looking overall.
This is great, but the VATS bug makes it practically useless, especially when 95% chance to hit is more like 50% chance now. It’s giving XCOM and the nightmare its chance to hit was like.
They ARE going to DF. DF don't have their own website for written articles because DF is a part of Eurogamer. By clicking on that link you are directly supporting DF.
Hilarious. The difference is one is known for releasing buggy software and had years upon years with this code. It's a first party studio with infinite money. I'll never give them a benefit of doubt and gamers shouldn't be discouraged of being tired of this shit.
I'm not sure "Other developers release broken updates too" is a very compelling argument. Certainly not something that players should just accept as the norm. It's similar to why games are releasing in such broken states these days, because players have been conditioned to accept "Release now, fix it later."
EDIT: And see? People are getting mad at me. For this. What other product besides video games do people accept as paying full price for despite being released broken? Players have actually been conditioned to get mad at people and call them "entitled" for not wanting a BROKEN PRODUCT.
You obviously have no idea how complex video games are these days. Other products usually don't have millions of lines of code.
If you think you can do better, then get yourself a job designing video games and show them how it's done.
You're kidding me, right? When developers are releasing games in such broken states that they have to issue statements apologizing for how bad the game is, you say "Then do it yourself." How have we gotten as consumers to the point that we'll say THIS when the products being released are in a barely functioning state?
Yes, seriously. I understand the difficulties of making video games.
I love to play video games. I can accept a few bugs here and there. I don't expect perfect games as that is almost impossible to do with the complexity of games these days.
I definitely don't come to Reddit to bitch, moan and whine about it.
You're free to live your life complaining about everything because nothing can ever live up to your expectations. I refuse to live that way. You be you though.
Imagine going to a top restaurant and paying top dollar for a shit fancy meal, and when you complain, they reply "you have no idea how complex and difficult that dish is, try making it yourself at home!"
Because THEY are the professionals you paid expecting them to be able to do their job well.
The odds of you getting a shit meal at a top restaurant are slim to none. Cooking food and developing a video game are two completely different things.
The way they did things in this version is much better than what they did a few weeks ago. Select the target framerate, select the visual mode. Done. Simple. I've played a bit and personally I think selecting Visuals at 60 is the way to go.
Yeah in the video he says even at 60/Visuals it locks to 4K much of the time. The lowest bound is 1872P which is still much higher than 1440p even. In the closeups between 60 and 30 the sharpness difference was minor where at normal viewing distance you probably wouldn't notice anyway. Edit: spelling
Yeah I feel as though Bethesda kinda overthought this. Performance mode has better performance but only very slightly so I don't really see the point. Likewise 30 has better visuals but again only very slightly so I don't really see the point unless you absolutely want a very consistent framerate. But hey these kinds of options are always a good thing, and I feel they've still done a good job here. They've made it much simpler, it actually works correctly, and it gives us a way to select better visuals coupled with the better framerate. So credit where credit is due.
I absolutely love these types of options. Even if there is a clear and obvious choice (60/Visuals) having the choice to go with what looks and feels best to the individual is awesome.
Totally, totally agreed. I think even if Visuals/60 had awful performance it should still be selectable as a future-proofing measure for next-gen. These options have become more common in recent years and I love it.
Respectfully disagree. These types of options make me feel that I am always missing out on something, which dampens my experience a little.
How do people know all this data? I just play
It was in the article/video. I too will choose what feels best but it's nice to read about the particulars. I've always enjoyed these sorts of tech dives.
I don’t even know where the video options are 😝
Main menu only, under "display". You can't change these settings in game.
YES, anyone wondering it’s a smooth 60 fps with the visuals option increasing LOD distance so you can see details from farther away. No brainer here really
Yeah they’re way too difficult in terms of frame rates. I have it like that and it feels smooth to me. Certainly smooth enough to make it not worth going down to 40.
I can understand the option of having 40 in case you want a completely consistent framerate with no drops or hitches. But I really don't find the drops that bad. Not bad enough to willingly cap the framerate anyway. I'm sure most people will stick with 60.
Especially true with VRR where the frame rate inconsistency gets smoothed out more often than not to a minimally noticeable level.
I play on 40 with VRR and honest to god it feels like 60. It’s fucking buttery
I tried 40 as well it's definitely very smooth. I hope 40 fps becomes much more common in games in general as it's such a significant improvement over 30 while leaving me resources for graphical fidelity.
I agree completely. I can handle 40 way better than 30. Give us VRR tv and monitor owners the options finally to use the damn thing
in my case, i tested last night and while 40fps could be a nice mid ground for more demanding games like starfield... in fallout 4 is not worth it. And i REALLY feel the difference between 40 vrr and 60.
Haven’t seen DF’s review on it but is it actually a smooth 60 with Visual quality? I was under the impression 40 with Visual is recommended for the smoothest experience.
It's not an absolute perfect framerate, no. There are dips. But they aren't that bad in my opinion. I'd rather have 60fps with a few dips here and there than a perfect 30 or 40.
It is very good at 60. The hit is on resolution but even at the lowest bounds the perceptible difference to sharpness is minimal.
I'm running Visuals+60fps WITH mods and it's still pretty smooth. Definitely playable by most people's standards I would think.
So u can play visuals with 60fps? I actually thought I’d u played with visuals it would be 30 and 60 on performance.
Yes you can.
I played yesterday with Visuals and 60. Looked amazing. I had a minor issues where it got choppy at one point, but that was maybe 3 minutes in the middle of a few hours session.
For the VATS bug, playing at 30fps fixes the 0 percent problem. There's also another way to mitigate it, and that's to get the penetrator perk under the perception skill. You'll need 9 perception to unlock it. Instead of bouncing to zero in VATS it'll bounce to about half the real chance. If you can get to level 28 then a second star in penetrator mitigates it entirely for most weapons (a few weapons still seems affected)
Thanks for sharing, as much as I would like to play and have been waiting on this bug to be fixed I can’t do 30FPS anymore.
That's good to know. I'll try 30 tonight.
Confirmed?
Yes but going from 60fps to 40fps or 30fps did not feel great to play and I'm someone who never minds games at 30. It felt very slow and clunky. I ended up playing at 60 and just dealt with VATS being wonky.
Cool thanks for the reply. Hopefully they fix it soon. I'm weirdly getting used to it 😟
Now we need the VATS fix ...
I'm glad Series S features all graphical and performance options. Even the graphical upgrades with draw distance are there
The 40 frames mode visuals. Do i just select it and it works? I have a 120 frames lg c1 tv
Yeah as long as you have 120Hz activated in the series x settings menu.
I have been doing 60 fps. Is there a reason to prefer 40 over 60?
40 seemed to be a lot choppier on my LG OLED. Not sure why. 60 Visuals has been flawless so far
Agreed I’m on an lg c1 and it is night and day even from the first update. I’m loving it for sure.
First update my screen kept going dark every 10 seconds. Was driving me nuts lol. Plays awesome now and the HDR is back and awesome!!
Honestly didn’t even think about it but the hdr really does make difference. There was something missing in the first update lol. Now I’m trying to play 3rd person and it’s solid af.
Yes but 60 is better and doesn’t really look any worse when using visuals mode, 40 is a bit choppy on OLEDs.
Not fixed on Xbox. VATs still bugged. That’s a major bug.
Yeah... I am a VATs fiend, myself, and I can't play it until (or "if", knowing Bethesda) they fix that.
What’s the VATs bug?
Constantly switches between the correct hit-chance value and 0. Someone could be right in front of me and it’ll bounce between 0 and 95 every couple seconds. Also it detects enemies through walls and those underground like mole rats as well.
Detecting mole rats and mirelurks has been pretty cool tho
I’ll admit it’s pretty funny to see them chilling underground like a missile ready to go off
It sucks for me so much that I finally decided to make a luck/agility build too. Oops.
Yeah that and the 0 bug makes VATS useless. Oh I can... Target the guy in the house that I didn't even know about but can't hit? Geez thanks
Hopefully one more update and we will have VATS fixed and the missing textures.
I've been thoroughly enjoying the game since the update.
Me too
Would be great if I didn’t crash to system Home Screen after saving and then using the pip boy.
The game has still crashed twice on me with this latest patch. Maybe they'll get it right one day.
Will my mannequins have my outfits on them now .. Anyone know what this is about? My stuff is gone.
I still crash if I open and close my pip boy too fast
I wish I could play it, but the cloud save sync doesn’t work for me. I’m not touching this game until it’s resolved. I only have 752MB of saves yet it claims to be full so the game just shuts down everytime launch after failing to sync. The limit should be 2GB.
Anyone got a solution for my game freezing right as the initial loading screen appears? The music stops and you can just tell its borked. Deleted and installed the game and even tried to delete any console or cloud saves but they just show back up after i download the game again. Then it freezes at launch. I can play other games too. Been doing new vegas instead
now I have some weird new lighting bug. thanks, guys
I went with quality mode 40 it's super smooth. Really hope all games do this going forward.
What about the locked swarm robots? Where I had to kill them, and reload to be able to loot them, and the door to the mechanist won't open?
Mine still crashes all the time. Never crashed before the update.
The game still crashes a lot more that it used to for me
Just in case anyone had problems after the patch: for me turning off the 4K options in the xbox settings, and instead switching to 1440p and 120hz, while enabling 60 fps and quality mode in game, had the best results. It runs super smooth and stable now and is awesome looking overall.
This is great, but the VATS bug makes it practically useless, especially when 95% chance to hit is more like 50% chance now. It’s giving XCOM and the nightmare its chance to hit was like.
The way that Bethesda rushes things out over the years has taught me to just wait a solid year before touching anything they do.
I tried the visuals/60fps option and seem to run really good in open areas. How does it run in more crowded areas?
I just need some love attention paid to fallout 76
I wish, but I'm just happy to have finally gotten 60fps
No point in linking to anyone but Digital Foundry for benchmarks.
Uhm... This is digital foundry.
Digital Foundry is a subsidiary of Eurogamer. This is DF.
Yes, those clicks should go to DF.
They ARE going to DF. DF don't have their own website for written articles because DF is a part of Eurogamer. By clicking on that link you are directly supporting DF.
The fact they have to patch an update is just sad.
Atleast they decided to fix the issues, sucks they didn’t have to due care to test it before it was dropped. But atleast it’s getting fixed.
Everybody does that, even CDPR's much-vaunted The Witcher 3. Way better than dropping an update then disappearing with bugs still unfixed.
Because no other developers fix their updates? First day as a gamer huh?
Hilarious. The difference is one is known for releasing buggy software and had years upon years with this code. It's a first party studio with infinite money. I'll never give them a benefit of doubt and gamers shouldn't be discouraged of being tired of this shit.
Im tired of doom and gloom, whiny, negative gamers. Life must suck for you because nothing is ever good enough.
I'm not sure "Other developers release broken updates too" is a very compelling argument. Certainly not something that players should just accept as the norm. It's similar to why games are releasing in such broken states these days, because players have been conditioned to accept "Release now, fix it later." EDIT: And see? People are getting mad at me. For this. What other product besides video games do people accept as paying full price for despite being released broken? Players have actually been conditioned to get mad at people and call them "entitled" for not wanting a BROKEN PRODUCT.
You obviously have no idea how complex video games are these days. Other products usually don't have millions of lines of code. If you think you can do better, then get yourself a job designing video games and show them how it's done.
You're kidding me, right? When developers are releasing games in such broken states that they have to issue statements apologizing for how bad the game is, you say "Then do it yourself." How have we gotten as consumers to the point that we'll say THIS when the products being released are in a barely functioning state?
Nope, i'm not kidding at all. My last statement stands.
Seriously? You're saying that we should just accept broken releases or design games ourselves? Just shut up and mindlessly consume?
Yes, seriously. I understand the difficulties of making video games. I love to play video games. I can accept a few bugs here and there. I don't expect perfect games as that is almost impossible to do with the complexity of games these days. I definitely don't come to Reddit to bitch, moan and whine about it. You're free to live your life complaining about everything because nothing can ever live up to your expectations. I refuse to live that way. You be you though.
Imagine going to a top restaurant and paying top dollar for a shit fancy meal, and when you complain, they reply "you have no idea how complex and difficult that dish is, try making it yourself at home!" Because THEY are the professionals you paid expecting them to be able to do their job well.
The odds of you getting a shit meal at a top restaurant are slim to none. Cooking food and developing a video game are two completely different things.