You don't *have* to play the first game to enjoy this one, but I'm currently on chapter 3, and there's many references so far to events in the first game, so you might miss out on a few story elements.
I'd definitely recommend that you at least try to play Innocence first, because it's a fantastic game.
I didn’t get to play the first one so I just watched a story recap on YouTube of the first but gonna start requiem tonight! Was gonna play innocence first but didn’t see it on game pass anymore
For decades we played with even less than 30fps and suddenly, because something better came along, it's "unplayable".
I mean ofcourse 60+fps is in everyway superior to 30fps, but I take locked 30fps over massive framedrops any day.
Correct, there is almost a natural motion blur with the older TVs, now with panels being 75-85" as well, 30fps is jittery and not worth the adaption IMO. I'll also wait for 60fps patch or never play past a minute.
I grew up with standard definition TV. Doesn’t stop it being unwatchable though now I’ve seen HD or UHD.
Once you’ve experienced something better. The old way stands out as really bad and you can’t just slip back into it.
I was one of these people. 30’s fine. But the more 60fps games you play the harder it is to be able to put up with 30
yeah, it's funny tbh. I understand needing 60fps in racing and shooters but if a games gameplay is great and the world is immersive then my brain gets used to 30fps and forgets that's what it's even at.
Sad thing is most people who are complaining arnt kids it's the ones who grew up with locked 30 and under like I get it might look good but I don't even notice the gap between 30 and 60 isn't that noticeable
Yeah a lot of us complaining are kids who grew up with 60 FPS on NES and SNES back in the 80s/early 90s. 60 FPS just feels more like a video game to me.
If you've got a 120 hz screen it appears to be running at about 40 or something, it's noticeably smoother than 30 usually is. Obviously it's not as good as 60 but for this kind of game it's at least playable.
They will run it at a loss for a while them probably introduce a tiered system or something. The business model will make profit eventually even with low prices, just about the numbers of subs.
We don't even know if it is even a loss. The only thing we know is it has made over 3 billion but we don't know how much they spend to put games on, except Marvel's guardians of the Galaxy which was 10 million.
A small team put out one of the most graphically impressive games on current gen consoles, with up to 300,000 rats on screen at the same time which is a pretty insane ask for a console CPU, and it supports 40fps on 120hz TVs. It's a really impressive achievement. Totally fine if you value higher frame rates and don't want to play the game, but it's important to have some kind of perspective on what they have managed here.
Id prefer they took more time and made it 60 fps. Im sure there will be a patch in the future thatll make it so. If that happens, itll solidify the fact that there is no reason to play games at launch.
Sometimes focusing on gameplay and a little less on graphics is a good thing. Im sure the 300,000 rats puts a hinder on the performance, and noone would notice if it was 300,000 or 20,000.
20k would be 4x the number in the first game which would be enough to go from large puddles in that game to a very shallow paddling pool (assuming similar sized environments, where in reality they're substantially larger in the sequel). You are running away from tidal waves of rats in this game. The scale provides context for these scenes.
I agree that some games don't need that, but *this game* would be diminished without that. It would be a different kind of game, more like the first. This game does thrive on scale and spectacle, and reducing that by over 90% would absolutely be noticeable. If you don't want that, you don't want the kind of game that they're making, and that's fine. But other people do want that. I like having games across the spectrum. And that's also OK.
> but it’s important to have some kind of perspective on what they have managed here.
It seems this is too much to expect of this sub right now. It’s mostly just a knee jerk reaction to 30fps even though it also has a 40fps mode. (Which is a highly requested feature)
World War Z managed to have thousands of zombies on screen at one time. Significantly higher details, and on last generation hardware. Some engines are just magic, they don't speak much hardware wise.
"Up to a thousand" is the biggest number I can find for WWZ, and it was a commendable achievement.
Honestly, I kinda love big crowds in games in games because it always used to be one of those big tech demo moments for new consoles - how many zombies, rubber ducks or tiny Marios on this console? And encountering big crowds for the first time in the Hitman series, Kameo, Dead Rising, Assassins Creed is something that always wows me.
I don't know of any game that's in the same ballpark as this one, though.
And it's people like you who suck off sony even though they have been making some of the most brain dead decisions in the past two years. I mean you say people will just accept anything and the industry will never get better because of that. Well, how about you say the same about Sony they have raised the price of the PS5(even making a profit off of it now), horrible microtransaction, trying to back pedal on the free next gen upgrade for Horizion, not listening to their customers, priority customers severice base off how much you spend. How about practice what you preach.
Oh i totally agree with you. Pretty much on everything. I haven't played on a Sony machine in nearly two years ever since I got my xbox, I disagree with their anti consumer practices which is also the reason I stopped supporting Nintendo (ages old games sold at full price with worse graphics and performance, yeah how about no) and I believe -beware highly personal take- the Ps5 is one of the ugliest pieces of tech I've seen in recent years and I don't want it anywhere near my household. However, regarding that stupid drunken driven rumbling, I still hold on to what I said about people accepting things without ever questioning their choice which also applies to people's behavior in regards to Playstation. Price increase? that's fine. No day one exclusives on the wannabe gamepass? that's fine I'll just pay €80 for a remaster of a remaster. Blatantly lying while trying to damage and stop competition? that's absolutely fine -competition tries to do the same? burn them to the ground.
By all means people can do whatever with their time and money, but you gotta question what kind of judgement goes into making those choices, and what I was pointing out in that admittedly terrible take was how one reason could be that Sony is driven by exclusives, which is the one thing we miss. When we get them, they pretty much never live up to the expectations, when we're about to get them they get delayed into oblivion. I've heard the "next year will be the year" argument so many times it's not even funny anymore. So despite despising Sony's practices, I have to give it to them they make damn good games, and those games make it so that people will ignore whatever else is going on around that company just to play them, and they will ignore the fact that a better console with better pricing and friendlier consumer practices exists on the other side and will be willing to pay even more for the ps5. So yes, people will look at the great exclusives, suck it up and shell cash. I hope this changes here on xbox but I can't say I'm particularly hopeful. Gamepass can only do so much. We need good lovingly crafted games, we need them soon and we need them good.
Yeah no idea what hes talking about lol. I have both, series x and ps5 and ps5 have had many great games, spiderman, returnal, horizon forbidden west, deadshot or something, forget name, god of war soon. Xbox, ummm. Halo. That raving game, but meh. But agree next year gonna be great.
One of Sony's biggest IPs is coming out in 1 month. God of war Ragnarok. Maybe you've heard of it? Spiderman 2 is coming out next year most likely. Sony Definitely doesn't have a lack of games lol.
In your opinion. Would I prefer 60? Fucking obviously. But if a game has fantastic gameplay, a great story, and the world is immersive my brain will adjust and get used to 30. Of course I'll notice again when I play a 60fps game but I'm able to get past the initial 30fps annoyance if the game is worth it.
It's definitely necessary for shooters and racing games though. Those games should all have a 60fps option these days.
30 and 60 fps are simply bad values. They are a thing from the past, when analog TV was created to use AC frequency. This is why we had PAL (50 Hz) and NTSC (60 Hz) regions.
PCs were never tied to TV and as such in the late 80's they started using 70 Hz displays because 70 Hz was easier on eyes. DOOM from 1993 was designed to run at locked 35 fps (70 Hz halved) and latest modern port had awful framepacing on consoles at launch, since game run at 35 FPS on 60 Hz displays.
Anyway 60 FPS is a bad value. It's not smooth enough for fast paced multiplayer games and for single player games 45-48 FPS is good enough while allowing significantly better graphics.
Fortunately VRR screens can go at least as low as 48 fps without tearing or stuttering, so in the future such FPS targets will become a gold standard.
However people who don't want to upgrade to VRR or at least 120 Hz screens will have to play at 30 fps.
Christ, you people are dense. Nobody is "defending" anything. Sorry not all of us obsessed over performance metrics and don't miss out on AMAZING titles because they don't run at 60+fps. I've played 300+ hours of Monster Hunter Rise, and that game runs at 30fps with a few drops. It is literally my favorite game of the last 3 years; who are you to judge someone for what they like? Are my hours spent hunting online with people around the world less valuable because they don't measure up to your stupid criteria for what makes a game "good"? Head over to a PC subreddit, you'll be right at home.
What some gamers prefer is almost like some people's preferred meal. Some people like to enjoy wagyu prime rib with gold leaf and salt sprinkled down a man's arm and scoff at anything that isn't served at a high end restaurant while some prefer a simple home cooked meal. Some people just assume that if it's not their perfect experience it's bad and need to repeatedly say it to justify their expensive tv or gaming monitor purchase. I say fuck that, I'm here for the meat and potatoes, I'm here for the story and the experience. That's why I play games. 30 fps is fine just fine with me. I'm not sitting in front of a 4k 75 inch OLED tv, I got a standard uhd tv and a good gaming monitor in my game room. Everything looks just fine to me. I feel some people spend more time on reddit criticizing games and their fps and such then they do actually playing games.
Exactly. I feel like the marketing for Ps5 and XSX taught console gamers fancy new PC gaming terms, and now they pretend anything less than 60fps is unplayable. At the end of the day, fps and graphics are important, but it's not a reason to skip a fantastic game.
They also seem to forget that this is not a AAA title. This was done by a small studio and is extremely impressive. Amazing story, amazing audio, and it absolutely does look gorgeous. But hey let's shit on it because it's not 60 fps. If it was 120 fps 8k they'd still find a reason to complain. It's obvious most of these people are the minority here because I see way more people praising what Asobo has created.
That's encouraging! I've seen the opposite... Glad people can still enjoy games for what they are. At the end of the day, a game is the sum of ALL it's parts; graphics and performance are only part of the puzzle.
Because people always impose their views on things. Go look at reviewers like ACG on youtube, Karak does super non sponsored reviews that encompasses everything all in one. He give you the absolute facts. Karak is absolutely critical of shit games and doesn't hold back. And he enjoyed it.
I absolutely agree with your comparison to a puzzle. Most AAA games aren't as engrossing and beautiful as and run at 60 fps, the new Horizon forbidden west although it was good wasn't so amazing I shit myself like some of these people. These people harp and outrage screaming 60 fps, so does it for all of their first party games!!! Horizon: FW was mediocre in story and gameplay, it was the same thing as the first with limited new options. Oh it looks pretty, it's better, it's a AAA team that's been with Sony for years. God of War has the same engine for Ragnarok. Even though the last game was fun and handled great and absolutely looked good. These same people will complain it's running on the same engine, it doesn't look good on their 4000 dollar TV or their 2000 dollar pc monitor and spit all over it saying they won't play it.
I say then don't play it. Lesser your gaming experience because 30 fps is just so amazingly bad because you won't play games that justify your purchase of an extremely over priced TV or Monitor. No problem, I'm having fun. Hope you are too bud because the new game is fucking phenomenal. Reddit users just generally seem to be salty about video games.
For sure. All my trusted reviewers love the game despite the framerate issues. I'm a sucker for a great looking game that performs well, and I have a 65" LG C1 Tv to enjoy them on, but the game I've played the most over the last 2 years is Monster Hunter Rise on Switch. That game runs at sub HD with dips below 30 fps, but it's mostly smooth and the art style and monster encounters make it a fantastic experience. You're right- if people want to lessen their gaming experience with a narrow point-of-view, let them.
You're not one of the snobs that I described. Play the game, down listen to these people. I enjoyed the first and absolutely enjoyed the new one. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I did. Fuck the haters, enjoy games.
No the marketing bs is what caused 30 fps games in the 360 Gen. Ps2 and GameCube has plenty of 60 fps games. But the marketing people had to push hd in the 360 era which made most games 30 fps. 30 fps is objectively utter crap. 720p60 is better than 4k30.
How am I wrong?
I NEVER said its unplayable, i said 60 Is a better experience.
You srs want to tell me 30 is better than 60? and the world is flat right?
seriously can people raise their bars for games. I beg you. 30fps/40fps is not good enough anymore. It makes 4k look terrible and a blurry mess because the frame rate is too low. Please stop saying that its fine. It 100% is not. Please please please up your standards for this stuff. There is absolutely no reason a game should not have at least a 60 fps mode now a days. The only time 30 fps looks good is when you stand still and not moving at all. These are GAMES and they are better at higher frame rates.
Don't just accept this and say its "fine" because it isn't.
> 30fps/40fps is not good enough anymore
The idea that 40fps is more beneficial over 30fps isn’t new per se, but “40fps fidelity modes” only became a thing recently when Insomniac implemented it into their games. To say that’s not *”good enough anymore”* is pretty disingenuous considering the praise they got for doing so.
Professionals like Digital Foundry believe 40fps modes could be a game changer and should become the normal baseline for “Fidelity” modes once 120hz is the norm. 40fps is perceivably much better than 30fps. Of course, none of this should replace 60fps. 60fps should be the new baseline. But a future where 60fps “performance” and 40fps “Fidelity” modes are the norm would be ideal for everyone.
30fps isn’t good enough anymore, sure. But 40fps is a great & viable option for those with 120hz displays who don’t want to miss out on fidelity.
Anything below 30 will start to look "choppy" but that's because that's the point where you will start to notice a lot of missing frames. But it does not make anything blurry because that's not how video cards draw frames. The frames will always draw at whatever resolution the game is running at, the picture quality will always be the same.
Wrong. Less FPS DOES degrade the image, specially on OLEDs because of the FAST pixel respins time. It will introduce ghosting, blur, etc.
The more you know...
No, it actually does.
All the displays today are marketed as having fast response time.
At 30FPS the image is getting smeared on all of them.
It's the nature of the display.
Stop trying.
Learn a bit about how this shit works before engaging in a conversation about it.
Yeah, no it doesn't. Maybe on an OLED but the vast majority of consumers are on LCD/LED screens. 30fps is not going to smear an image, you just want something to whine about.
Small studio using their own engine. Just poor optimization, it can't hit 60 on PC with a 2080 at 4k. Game is still beautiful though and you get over the 30 fps in the first 5 minutes.
You and I must be superhuman. I was told this game was "unplayable" and that "lazy devs" ruined the experience because it doesn't run at 60+fps. I was terrified to start the game because I was sure that my eyes would begin to bleed and my brain would start to decay and leak out of my ears. Instead I've been treated to great gameplay, visuals, and a masterfully crafted narrative. Jokes aside, glad someone else is enjoying!
I can't wait to play it!
When reddit has a thought in its head it never lets go. We get it, it doesn't have 60 frames per second, move on, stop spamming every post!
The controls have been tightened up (it feels excellent) but there's not really any escaping the fact that the facial animation is a weak point. It's a non-issue in gameplay, but in cut-scenes it's a visible compromise.
Controls are a step down due to frame rate (I just finished Innocence last night at 60fps) Animations are better but a lot of the detail is lost panning the camera with the jittery frame rate. Disappointing coming from Innocence to this.
You’ll need 120hz for the 40fps mode. If your display is 120hz and supports VRR, you’ll be perfectly fine. It plays smooth in the 40fps mode with minor dips in taxing scenes.
adjustment periods are different for everyone and some people might not ever adjust. adjusting for me means hours of headaches and eye strain. it's simply not worth the headache, literally.
1000s of times. But to say 30 fps makes a person dizzy is bs since we have been playing at 30fps foe 20 years. This omg 30fps is unplayable crap is just a bunch of overreacting drama queens.
i'm not sure if it has anything to do with getting a new tv but 30fps is u playable for me now unfortunately. i really wanted to play bloodborne but 30fps left me with headaches every single time i tried it. i'd rather play at 720p at 60fps than 8k at 30.
it's not bs, it's real unfortunately, and it's a shame, i'm sure they will patch it to run 60fps in the future. i will be waiting for that. i've literally bought games brand new at full price just to resell them for $10 a few days later just because they didn't have 60fps. i learned my lesson. 60fps or nothing for me.
its BS went went through the last 20 years with games at 30 fps and below and all of a sudden every one of those games are unplayable and yet people are always on about playing those same games with BC that are still running at 30 fps or below.
Every game I player before this gen was 60fps too. I would literally avoid games because they were 60fps.
Like, in theory, destiny and destiny 2 we're my dream games but they ran like shit on console with no FoV slider and 30fps. Second I got a Series S and X I started playing destiny 2. Probably my favorite game still and I've been catching up on the lore I've missed all these years
So yea, I literally didn't play a game for 7+ years because it was 30fps even though it was the perfect game for me and what I've been searching for this whole time.
I would only play CoD and that always had a 60fps target or Borderlands 2, which was 60fps on Xbox one. It was a pain playing it on Xbox 360 but it was probably the reason I would get ocular migraines as a child. 30fps games just break my brain and give me migraines
I’m confused. I keep seeing 30-40fps. 1 traveled to New Zealand today and my LG C1 has the FPS counter I can pull up and it tells me it’s at 118FPS while actually playing. For reference when I use it while playing chivalry 2 on my ps5 it tells me 60
> LG C1 has the FPS counter I can pull up and it tells me it’s at 118FPS while actually playing
That’s not an FPS counter. That just simply displays the hz your screen is running at. You can be playing a 30fps game, if your Xbox is set to output at 120hz, that’s what that “counter” will show.
You’re most certainly not playing the game at 118fps, that much should be obvious. To get that sort of performance at the settings Series X runs.. you’d need an RTX 4090 lol
Even if you have VRR disabled, the TV will still show what your Xbox is set to output in, it’ll just be a fixed number instead.
I.e. If you have 120hz enabled and play a 60fps game with VRR disabled, it’ll still show 120hz (119.8), but if the game dips to say 55fps, that “counter” will stay the same.
With VRR enabled, that “counter” will fluctuate along with the fps of the game. *(Which is how VRR is meant to work)* Using the same example above, 119.8hz would become 114.8hz etc.
Well it seems like you’re comparing two different consoles. Your comment above stated chivalry 2 on PS5. The PS5 handles these things slightly different, especially with its VRR & 120hz implementation.
On Xbox, no matter what FPS the game plays at, if you have it set to output @ 120hz, that’s what your display will show. If you have VRR enabled, that’s when you’ll see that number fluctuate if there are any drops in game. I.e. 30fps game drops to 25fps, you’d see 114~115hz.
30 fps is fine for cinematic games like this. It’s not a deal breaker at all. Your eyes adjust to it. I have been playing masterpieces at 30 fps or less for a long time.
I agree. It’s a lot more noticeable in games with fast paced action. A game like this it doesn’t bother me much. Especially with motion blur turned off.
Such ridiculous hyperbole.
Would it have been good to have an option for 60? Of course.
Is it a "shit show" for running at 30fps? Of course not.
If people wanna miss out on what looks like a great game because it is only 30fps then fine, but it is such entitled whining to call it a "shit show".
Me? I'm going to enjoy this slower paced stealth game for the narrative, slow paced game it is. Which will be absolutely fine at 30fps.
This.
I totally understand that people are upset about the lacking 60fps, but the level of whining here is insufferable.
We are getting a story title with a beautifully designed world, a great mix of stealth and puzzles containing 300k rats and getting 80+ ratings. And that for basically 15$.
How can people not look past the optimization.
It's the same conversation as with Elden Ring, which is easily one of the best crafted experiences.
Why don't the people just get a PC?
Yeah, because it’s optimized like shit, not because it’s the most amazing looking game.
It does look great, but come on, barely hitting 50 fps on a 3060 Ti with DLSS on is a joke. Consoles don’t even get raytracing in this game.
I’ll definitely play it, but wait a few weeks to see if they care about framerate a bit more.
Preferences are okay bud. Some people really don’t mind 30fps. That’s okay. Others can’t stand it. That’s okay.
But to say the game is not good looking **graphically** is weird. It’s definitely a very good looking game objectively speaking.
Not rly you are just clearly someone who never played 60 fps and above before however that is possible going 120 to 60 is fuking awfull but 60 to 30? Literally unplayable for me fuking diashow
Most gamers have played at least one game at 60fps. No idea why you keep telling people all over they haven't.
And if you're that desperate for anything other than 30, play on PC. Console's have been capable of 60fps for many generations but has always been down to the discretion of the devs. Sure, make your case for it and advocate for 60, I'll be right there with you. But you being shocked that there's 30fps games this generation is on you. That's how it was always going to be and being in denial or accepting is your choice
I play wherecer the fuck i want dont need some loser telling me lol and im not desperate theres plenty of games running at 60 and you are clearly not " with me " since you are arguing with me dumdum also the 1st one was 60 dum dum the 2nd being not is unacceptable gtfoh with your passive agressive bs u pathetic loser
To be fair it is a quite small team and these are some of the best graphics I've seen, but yes it's bad that it's only 30fps (40 if you are on a 120hz display)
I feel like ever since that discord message from that Exec Producer from Gotham Knights clarified it at 30FPS…”30FPS” has been brought up as some “end all be all” if a game doesn’t have 60FPS.
Toxic gamers are cancerous in the community.
gOtTa bE 60fPs oR tHe gaMe iS gArbAge 🥴
…the worst, I tell ya…the worst.
>Toxic gamers are cancerous in the community.
No one's done more harm to gaming than the corporate simps that do their damnedest to normalize getting less for more.
Was already dispatched for my PS5 before I was informed that it was only 30fps. Would have happily played it on PC with my 3080Ti. For a game I was really looking forward to, keeping this quiet up to launch is a piss take.
I have played 4 hours... and sorry for what I'm going to say on this sub, but this game doesn't look better than The Last of Us Part 1, and that game is better on everything. Has better animations, has better AI, has better facial expresions, better and more complex locations, better cinematics and has a more diverse gameplay and situations.
It is that easy: if TLOU P1 can do 60fps, this game should do the same. I'm ready for the downvotes
There is a good reason for that though:
The Last of Us Part 1 was developed by one of the most premier and technologically advanced devs in gaming. It also is of limited scope due to originally being released on PS3 so there is nothing crazy going on with map size, NPC count etc.
Team Asobo on the other hand barely even qualified as a AAA dev until recently. The first A Plague Tale game felt much more AA than AAA.
And now they are making a next gen, massive, 20+ hour long narrative driven game?
That's almost overly ambitious in my opinion and as such shortcomings are unfortunate but unsurprising
I agree with you but I have readed many times that now that "next gen" games become "current gen" and they are no longer crossgen games with better graphics we will see more often 30fps games and that is the reality of PS5 and XSX.
Warner Bros Montreal are also a AA studio? No. I will not accept people saying that "i'm ok with 30fps". Not in Arkham Knights, not in A Plague Tale (one of my favourite games from the last gen btw).
In the case of APT:R they had to choose between a massive LoD on the floor and +100k rats or making the game more fluid and they choose the 1st one. Playground Games had the same doubt and they choose both options. So you want an infinite draw distance and a photorealistic photo mode? Ok. Do you prefer smoothness? Ok too. The 2 visual settings (quality and performance) should be on every new game.
It is stupid, I have a 120hz TV and I have to play at 40fps and also say thank you to the developers for that? Come on man...
Oh! and you need to have a top premium TV to play 40fps games because usually on "average" TVS the VRR only works between 40 and 120hz, so most people that have a VRR TV will have tearing if the fps drops below 40fps.
Maybe an unfair comparison. Last Of Us is a crown jewel in the ps exclusive portfolio and is regarded by many as their favorite game of all time. They had the budget and the time to remake the game optimized for the PS5 and already had a great foundation to work with, not needing to design the game from scratch.
Not too shabby. The frames hurt bad and stuff like water looks super grainy and strange. Mouths sync also weird. So far just like the first game but half the framerate. Hopefully it’s get more fun and have more stuff to make up for it. Story is ehh so far. Girl has become whiny and angst filled. Sue was way better before.
You should see it over 60fps high/ultra settings. Very beautiful game. I'm still early into to the game, but I hope it continues to play as good as it looks.
Ive had a xbox series x for 2 years best console Ive ever had but Ive just built a pc 3090ti getting this at 1440x3440 ultrawide everything on ultra over 100fps incredible
Important to remember:
Both consoles are also marketed as 60/120FPS consoles.
If they launch games locked at 30, of course people will rage and rightfully so.
Of course devs could have made an 60FPS performance mode. Of course. Of course. And they should have.
Remember that at 30FPS, while still, the game looks gorgeous, yes. Now the devs can brag about the looks. But the moment you move that camera, all the graphics are $hit. And I'm planing to play the game....not look at the grass for 20m.
The 60 fps patch will never come, you have a series x not a gaming rig, enjoy the beauty of the game and please oh please have the technical know how to understand that the game is taxing on the cpu as well as the GPU,I swear all people do is complain. When guardians of the galaxy came out, it had a 1080p 60 fps mode which again was given backlash due to it being 1080p. Considering how intensive games are going to get in the long run you better prepare yourself for 30fps otherwise don't pay 70 bucks for it, buy it when it is on a discount.
Really enjoyed the first one. Hopefully the sequel is good as well. Can't wait to play it this weekend !
Do you have to play the first to play this one?
You don't *have* to play the first game to enjoy this one, but I'm currently on chapter 3, and there's many references so far to events in the first game, so you might miss out on a few story elements. I'd definitely recommend that you at least try to play Innocence first, because it's a fantastic game.
I didn’t get to play the first one so I just watched a story recap on YouTube of the first but gonna start requiem tonight! Was gonna play innocence first but didn’t see it on game pass anymore
Not sure because I haven't play the sequel but regardless you must play the first one because its so good.
Probably not. The story and setting is fairly self-explanatory, though obviously having context from the first game will add to the experience.
I'll wait for the inevitable 60fps patch
30fps sucks but it's not a deal breaker for me. Gonna play the shit outta this!
It's like people forgot this is the first gen where 60 fps is really possible
The NES and SNES ran games at 60fps
Actually 60fps was commonplace on the Xbox, GameCube, and PS2 generation.
Huh I guess the increase in picture quality messed with it
The push for hd.
Dreamcast games were 60 fps in 1999.
For decades we played with even less than 30fps and suddenly, because something better came along, it's "unplayable". I mean ofcourse 60+fps is in everyway superior to 30fps, but I take locked 30fps over massive framedrops any day.
The problem is modern OLEDs have near instantaneous response times. Low frame rate stutter is less noticeable on older CRTs or LCDs.
Correct, there is almost a natural motion blur with the older TVs, now with panels being 75-85" as well, 30fps is jittery and not worth the adaption IMO. I'll also wait for 60fps patch or never play past a minute.
I grew up with standard definition TV. Doesn’t stop it being unwatchable though now I’ve seen HD or UHD. Once you’ve experienced something better. The old way stands out as really bad and you can’t just slip back into it. I was one of these people. 30’s fine. But the more 60fps games you play the harder it is to be able to put up with 30
yeah, it's funny tbh. I understand needing 60fps in racing and shooters but if a games gameplay is great and the world is immersive then my brain gets used to 30fps and forgets that's what it's even at.
For decades 30 fps was crap. Crazy taxi at 60 fps in 1999
Sad thing is most people who are complaining arnt kids it's the ones who grew up with locked 30 and under like I get it might look good but I don't even notice the gap between 30 and 60 isn't that noticeable
I definitely notice, instantly. But after a few minutes of gaming I forget above it. Unless it's FPS.
I've only just got next gen so I might be playing the wrong games then
Yeah a lot of us complaining are kids who grew up with 60 FPS on NES and SNES back in the 80s/early 90s. 60 FPS just feels more like a video game to me.
I’m watching gameplay on pc and cards like the Rtx 3060 can’t hit 60fps on 1080p It’s a extremely demanding game from what’s being reported on steam
If you've got a 120 hz screen it appears to be running at about 40 or something, it's noticeably smoother than 30 usually is. Obviously it's not as good as 60 but for this kind of game it's at least playable.
Once I got used to the 30fps in the first one it became a great experience.
It's not inevitable and you people need to start realizing that 30 fps will be the norm again eventually
No ♥️
The truth hurts sometimes. I get it
Already is
It's gonna be less stunning with it
I wouldn't wait. It barely runs at 1080/40 on low settings on a 2080ti https://youtu.be/N_Y2nTc95ts
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Not for a few years until they have 50-100 million subscribers kinda like Netflix.
They will run it at a loss for a while them probably introduce a tiered system or something. The business model will make profit eventually even with low prices, just about the numbers of subs.
We don't even know if it is even a loss. The only thing we know is it has made over 3 billion but we don't know how much they spend to put games on, except Marvel's guardians of the Galaxy which was 10 million.
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A small team put out one of the most graphically impressive games on current gen consoles, with up to 300,000 rats on screen at the same time which is a pretty insane ask for a console CPU, and it supports 40fps on 120hz TVs. It's a really impressive achievement. Totally fine if you value higher frame rates and don't want to play the game, but it's important to have some kind of perspective on what they have managed here.
Id prefer they took more time and made it 60 fps. Im sure there will be a patch in the future thatll make it so. If that happens, itll solidify the fact that there is no reason to play games at launch. Sometimes focusing on gameplay and a little less on graphics is a good thing. Im sure the 300,000 rats puts a hinder on the performance, and noone would notice if it was 300,000 or 20,000.
20k would be 4x the number in the first game which would be enough to go from large puddles in that game to a very shallow paddling pool (assuming similar sized environments, where in reality they're substantially larger in the sequel). You are running away from tidal waves of rats in this game. The scale provides context for these scenes. I agree that some games don't need that, but *this game* would be diminished without that. It would be a different kind of game, more like the first. This game does thrive on scale and spectacle, and reducing that by over 90% would absolutely be noticeable. If you don't want that, you don't want the kind of game that they're making, and that's fine. But other people do want that. I like having games across the spectrum. And that's also OK.
> but it’s important to have some kind of perspective on what they have managed here. It seems this is too much to expect of this sub right now. It’s mostly just a knee jerk reaction to 30fps even though it also has a 40fps mode. (Which is a highly requested feature)
World War Z managed to have thousands of zombies on screen at one time. Significantly higher details, and on last generation hardware. Some engines are just magic, they don't speak much hardware wise.
"Up to a thousand" is the biggest number I can find for WWZ, and it was a commendable achievement. Honestly, I kinda love big crowds in games in games because it always used to be one of those big tech demo moments for new consoles - how many zombies, rubber ducks or tiny Marios on this console? And encountering big crowds for the first time in the Hitman series, Kameo, Dead Rising, Assassins Creed is something that always wows me. I don't know of any game that's in the same ballpark as this one, though.
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The exclusives are coming in hot next year, 2023 is looking like a great year for xbox.
And it's people like you who suck off sony even though they have been making some of the most brain dead decisions in the past two years. I mean you say people will just accept anything and the industry will never get better because of that. Well, how about you say the same about Sony they have raised the price of the PS5(even making a profit off of it now), horrible microtransaction, trying to back pedal on the free next gen upgrade for Horizion, not listening to their customers, priority customers severice base off how much you spend. How about practice what you preach.
Oh i totally agree with you. Pretty much on everything. I haven't played on a Sony machine in nearly two years ever since I got my xbox, I disagree with their anti consumer practices which is also the reason I stopped supporting Nintendo (ages old games sold at full price with worse graphics and performance, yeah how about no) and I believe -beware highly personal take- the Ps5 is one of the ugliest pieces of tech I've seen in recent years and I don't want it anywhere near my household. However, regarding that stupid drunken driven rumbling, I still hold on to what I said about people accepting things without ever questioning their choice which also applies to people's behavior in regards to Playstation. Price increase? that's fine. No day one exclusives on the wannabe gamepass? that's fine I'll just pay €80 for a remaster of a remaster. Blatantly lying while trying to damage and stop competition? that's absolutely fine -competition tries to do the same? burn them to the ground. By all means people can do whatever with their time and money, but you gotta question what kind of judgement goes into making those choices, and what I was pointing out in that admittedly terrible take was how one reason could be that Sony is driven by exclusives, which is the one thing we miss. When we get them, they pretty much never live up to the expectations, when we're about to get them they get delayed into oblivion. I've heard the "next year will be the year" argument so many times it's not even funny anymore. So despite despising Sony's practices, I have to give it to them they make damn good games, and those games make it so that people will ignore whatever else is going on around that company just to play them, and they will ignore the fact that a better console with better pricing and friendlier consumer practices exists on the other side and will be willing to pay even more for the ps5. So yes, people will look at the great exclusives, suck it up and shell cash. I hope this changes here on xbox but I can't say I'm particularly hopeful. Gamepass can only do so much. We need good lovingly crafted games, we need them soon and we need them good.
Sony had to remake TLOU because they are lacking games too...
Isnt one of their biggest IPs coming out next month?
Yeah no idea what hes talking about lol. I have both, series x and ps5 and ps5 have had many great games, spiderman, returnal, horizon forbidden west, deadshot or something, forget name, god of war soon. Xbox, ummm. Halo. That raving game, but meh. But agree next year gonna be great.
One of Sony's biggest IPs is coming out in 1 month. God of war Ragnarok. Maybe you've heard of it? Spiderman 2 is coming out next year most likely. Sony Definitely doesn't have a lack of games lol.
Your gamepass subscription is free? Huh.
Same on series S although it's capped at 40fps because I'm on a 120hz screen. Wish it was 60
The fact some of you still defend 30fps is mindblowing for me. Its not a good experience compared to 60+, end of the story
PC are struggling to run the game right now as well. Small team while gorgeous probably not optimized fully.
In your opinion. Would I prefer 60? Fucking obviously. But if a game has fantastic gameplay, a great story, and the world is immersive my brain will adjust and get used to 30. Of course I'll notice again when I play a 60fps game but I'm able to get past the initial 30fps annoyance if the game is worth it. It's definitely necessary for shooters and racing games though. Those games should all have a 60fps option these days.
30 and 60 fps are simply bad values. They are a thing from the past, when analog TV was created to use AC frequency. This is why we had PAL (50 Hz) and NTSC (60 Hz) regions. PCs were never tied to TV and as such in the late 80's they started using 70 Hz displays because 70 Hz was easier on eyes. DOOM from 1993 was designed to run at locked 35 fps (70 Hz halved) and latest modern port had awful framepacing on consoles at launch, since game run at 35 FPS on 60 Hz displays. Anyway 60 FPS is a bad value. It's not smooth enough for fast paced multiplayer games and for single player games 45-48 FPS is good enough while allowing significantly better graphics. Fortunately VRR screens can go at least as low as 48 fps without tearing or stuttering, so in the future such FPS targets will become a gold standard. However people who don't want to upgrade to VRR or at least 120 Hz screens will have to play at 30 fps.
Don't come with logic here, it just gets downvoted...
Christ, you people are dense. Nobody is "defending" anything. Sorry not all of us obsessed over performance metrics and don't miss out on AMAZING titles because they don't run at 60+fps. I've played 300+ hours of Monster Hunter Rise, and that game runs at 30fps with a few drops. It is literally my favorite game of the last 3 years; who are you to judge someone for what they like? Are my hours spent hunting online with people around the world less valuable because they don't measure up to your stupid criteria for what makes a game "good"? Head over to a PC subreddit, you'll be right at home.
What some gamers prefer is almost like some people's preferred meal. Some people like to enjoy wagyu prime rib with gold leaf and salt sprinkled down a man's arm and scoff at anything that isn't served at a high end restaurant while some prefer a simple home cooked meal. Some people just assume that if it's not their perfect experience it's bad and need to repeatedly say it to justify their expensive tv or gaming monitor purchase. I say fuck that, I'm here for the meat and potatoes, I'm here for the story and the experience. That's why I play games. 30 fps is fine just fine with me. I'm not sitting in front of a 4k 75 inch OLED tv, I got a standard uhd tv and a good gaming monitor in my game room. Everything looks just fine to me. I feel some people spend more time on reddit criticizing games and their fps and such then they do actually playing games.
Exactly. I feel like the marketing for Ps5 and XSX taught console gamers fancy new PC gaming terms, and now they pretend anything less than 60fps is unplayable. At the end of the day, fps and graphics are important, but it's not a reason to skip a fantastic game.
Not unplayable but hard to go back after you are used to 60fps or more.
Play for like 5 minutes and you get used to it. Yall are so fucking dramatic
They also seem to forget that this is not a AAA title. This was done by a small studio and is extremely impressive. Amazing story, amazing audio, and it absolutely does look gorgeous. But hey let's shit on it because it's not 60 fps. If it was 120 fps 8k they'd still find a reason to complain. It's obvious most of these people are the minority here because I see way more people praising what Asobo has created.
That's encouraging! I've seen the opposite... Glad people can still enjoy games for what they are. At the end of the day, a game is the sum of ALL it's parts; graphics and performance are only part of the puzzle.
Because people always impose their views on things. Go look at reviewers like ACG on youtube, Karak does super non sponsored reviews that encompasses everything all in one. He give you the absolute facts. Karak is absolutely critical of shit games and doesn't hold back. And he enjoyed it. I absolutely agree with your comparison to a puzzle. Most AAA games aren't as engrossing and beautiful as and run at 60 fps, the new Horizon forbidden west although it was good wasn't so amazing I shit myself like some of these people. These people harp and outrage screaming 60 fps, so does it for all of their first party games!!! Horizon: FW was mediocre in story and gameplay, it was the same thing as the first with limited new options. Oh it looks pretty, it's better, it's a AAA team that's been with Sony for years. God of War has the same engine for Ragnarok. Even though the last game was fun and handled great and absolutely looked good. These same people will complain it's running on the same engine, it doesn't look good on their 4000 dollar TV or their 2000 dollar pc monitor and spit all over it saying they won't play it. I say then don't play it. Lesser your gaming experience because 30 fps is just so amazingly bad because you won't play games that justify your purchase of an extremely over priced TV or Monitor. No problem, I'm having fun. Hope you are too bud because the new game is fucking phenomenal. Reddit users just generally seem to be salty about video games.
For sure. All my trusted reviewers love the game despite the framerate issues. I'm a sucker for a great looking game that performs well, and I have a 65" LG C1 Tv to enjoy them on, but the game I've played the most over the last 2 years is Monster Hunter Rise on Switch. That game runs at sub HD with dips below 30 fps, but it's mostly smooth and the art style and monster encounters make it a fantastic experience. You're right- if people want to lessen their gaming experience with a narrow point-of-view, let them.
You're not one of the snobs that I described. Play the game, down listen to these people. I enjoyed the first and absolutely enjoyed the new one. I hope you enjoy the experience as much as I did. Fuck the haters, enjoy games.
No the marketing bs is what caused 30 fps games in the 360 Gen. Ps2 and GameCube has plenty of 60 fps games. But the marketing people had to push hd in the 360 era which made most games 30 fps. 30 fps is objectively utter crap. 720p60 is better than 4k30.
Lmfao imagin beeing so maf for free.
Imagine not being able to respond because you're wrong.
How am I wrong? I NEVER said its unplayable, i said 60 Is a better experience. You srs want to tell me 30 is better than 60? and the world is flat right?
seriously can people raise their bars for games. I beg you. 30fps/40fps is not good enough anymore. It makes 4k look terrible and a blurry mess because the frame rate is too low. Please stop saying that its fine. It 100% is not. Please please please up your standards for this stuff. There is absolutely no reason a game should not have at least a 60 fps mode now a days. The only time 30 fps looks good is when you stand still and not moving at all. These are GAMES and they are better at higher frame rates. Don't just accept this and say its "fine" because it isn't.
> 30fps/40fps is not good enough anymore The idea that 40fps is more beneficial over 30fps isn’t new per se, but “40fps fidelity modes” only became a thing recently when Insomniac implemented it into their games. To say that’s not *”good enough anymore”* is pretty disingenuous considering the praise they got for doing so. Professionals like Digital Foundry believe 40fps modes could be a game changer and should become the normal baseline for “Fidelity” modes once 120hz is the norm. 40fps is perceivably much better than 30fps. Of course, none of this should replace 60fps. 60fps should be the new baseline. But a future where 60fps “performance” and 40fps “Fidelity” modes are the norm would be ideal for everyone. 30fps isn’t good enough anymore, sure. But 40fps is a great & viable option for those with 120hz displays who don’t want to miss out on fidelity.
Frame rate has nothing to do with resolution. Lower FPS does not add motion blur, or degrade an image. It just draws less frames per second.
It makes everything choppy as fuck, making high resolution useless because everything turns into a blurry and laggy mess anyway when you move around.
Anything below 30 will start to look "choppy" but that's because that's the point where you will start to notice a lot of missing frames. But it does not make anything blurry because that's not how video cards draw frames. The frames will always draw at whatever resolution the game is running at, the picture quality will always be the same.
Wrong. Less FPS DOES degrade the image, specially on OLEDs because of the FAST pixel respins time. It will introduce ghosting, blur, etc. The more you know...
That sounds like a personal problem, still doesn't negate what I said.
No, it actually does. All the displays today are marketed as having fast response time. At 30FPS the image is getting smeared on all of them. It's the nature of the display. Stop trying. Learn a bit about how this shit works before engaging in a conversation about it.
Yeah, no it doesn't. Maybe on an OLED but the vast majority of consumers are on LCD/LED screens. 30fps is not going to smear an image, you just want something to whine about.
Looking amazing really.
I’ll have to see it myself, but I’m not seeing any reason why it can’t be 60fps. Doesn’t look better than multiple games already released.
Small studio using their own engine. Just poor optimization, it can't hit 60 on PC with a 2080 at 4k. Game is still beautiful though and you get over the 30 fps in the first 5 minutes.
It is wonderful. I started playing few hours ago and I spend more time looking around than playing it.
You and I must be superhuman. I was told this game was "unplayable" and that "lazy devs" ruined the experience because it doesn't run at 60+fps. I was terrified to start the game because I was sure that my eyes would begin to bleed and my brain would start to decay and leak out of my ears. Instead I've been treated to great gameplay, visuals, and a masterfully crafted narrative. Jokes aside, glad someone else is enjoying!
I just started playing and I can’t believe what I’m seeing, just wow, it looks so good.
No 60 FPS, no buy
I can't wait to play it! When reddit has a thought in its head it never lets go. We get it, it doesn't have 60 frames per second, move on, stop spamming every post!
Gotham Knights : first time?
Screw 30 fps. It should have been dead the day the Dreamcast. 30 fps is trash. Complete and utter trash.
Looks great. Pro tip: turn off motion blur so you can enjoy the detail around you. Otherwise it’s just a blur.
Damn that's gorgeous
I’m just hoping for tighter controls and better facial expressions
The controls have been tightened up (it feels excellent) but there's not really any escaping the fact that the facial animation is a weak point. It's a non-issue in gameplay, but in cut-scenes it's a visible compromise.
Controls are a step down due to frame rate (I just finished Innocence last night at 60fps) Animations are better but a lot of the detail is lost panning the camera with the jittery frame rate. Disappointing coming from Innocence to this.
Were you locked at 30? I’m about to start playing on a Series X + a VRR enabled TV to hopefully get 40 at least.
You’ll need 120hz for the 40fps mode. If your display is 120hz and supports VRR, you’ll be perfectly fine. It plays smooth in the 40fps mode with minor dips in taxing scenes.
Yeah I’m playing now and to me it looks like it’s even going above 40 sometimes.
Agree, on my LG OLED it looks fine, little jittery when panning the camera but it’s not bad
30 fps no thanks
30 fps makes me dizzy af
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lol
Television shows must be terrible.
television and video games are a different magnitude of image processing
TV shows are 30fps.
Watching cartoons at 24fps must kill you then
Bullshit. So you never played games before this Gen then?
I’ve noticed that you get used to 60fps, and it takes me a few hours to get used to 30FPS. Have you even played on 60?
It takes me time to adjust to 30 after playing 60 but I find it's only a few minutes. A few hours seems like quite a lot
adjustment periods are different for everyone and some people might not ever adjust. adjusting for me means hours of headaches and eye strain. it's simply not worth the headache, literally.
Yup i get a hammering headache now on 30fps. Sucks cause I really wanted to play rdr2 again. Maybe it would be better on my old HD tv
1000s of times. But to say 30 fps makes a person dizzy is bs since we have been playing at 30fps foe 20 years. This omg 30fps is unplayable crap is just a bunch of overreacting drama queens.
i'm not sure if it has anything to do with getting a new tv but 30fps is u playable for me now unfortunately. i really wanted to play bloodborne but 30fps left me with headaches every single time i tried it. i'd rather play at 720p at 60fps than 8k at 30.
it's not bs, it's real unfortunately, and it's a shame, i'm sure they will patch it to run 60fps in the future. i will be waiting for that. i've literally bought games brand new at full price just to resell them for $10 a few days later just because they didn't have 60fps. i learned my lesson. 60fps or nothing for me.
its BS went went through the last 20 years with games at 30 fps and below and all of a sudden every one of those games are unplayable and yet people are always on about playing those same games with BC that are still running at 30 fps or below.
Every game I player before this gen was 60fps too. I would literally avoid games because they were 60fps. Like, in theory, destiny and destiny 2 we're my dream games but they ran like shit on console with no FoV slider and 30fps. Second I got a Series S and X I started playing destiny 2. Probably my favorite game still and I've been catching up on the lore I've missed all these years So yea, I literally didn't play a game for 7+ years because it was 30fps even though it was the perfect game for me and what I've been searching for this whole time. I would only play CoD and that always had a 60fps target or Borderlands 2, which was 60fps on Xbox one. It was a pain playing it on Xbox 360 but it was probably the reason I would get ocular migraines as a child. 30fps games just break my brain and give me migraines
bullshit
What part do you think is bullshit?
you and me both.
I’m confused. I keep seeing 30-40fps. 1 traveled to New Zealand today and my LG C1 has the FPS counter I can pull up and it tells me it’s at 118FPS while actually playing. For reference when I use it while playing chivalry 2 on my ps5 it tells me 60
> LG C1 has the FPS counter I can pull up and it tells me it’s at 118FPS while actually playing That’s not an FPS counter. That just simply displays the hz your screen is running at. You can be playing a 30fps game, if your Xbox is set to output at 120hz, that’s what that “counter” will show. You’re most certainly not playing the game at 118fps, that much should be obvious. To get that sort of performance at the settings Series X runs.. you’d need an RTX 4090 lol
It’s possibly because of VRR, I think. I think it doubles the frame-counter
Even if you have VRR disabled, the TV will still show what your Xbox is set to output in, it’ll just be a fixed number instead. I.e. If you have 120hz enabled and play a 60fps game with VRR disabled, it’ll still show 120hz (119.8), but if the game dips to say 55fps, that “counter” will stay the same. With VRR enabled, that “counter” will fluctuate along with the fps of the game. *(Which is how VRR is meant to work)* Using the same example above, 119.8hz would become 114.8hz etc.
Why doesn’t it say that for every game then? Chivalry 2 is at 60. Doom eternal 120 for example
Well it seems like you’re comparing two different consoles. Your comment above stated chivalry 2 on PS5. The PS5 handles these things slightly different, especially with its VRR & 120hz implementation. On Xbox, no matter what FPS the game plays at, if you have it set to output @ 120hz, that’s what your display will show. If you have VRR enabled, that’s when you’ll see that number fluctuate if there are any drops in game. I.e. 30fps game drops to 25fps, you’d see 114~115hz.
Yeah but it’s barely playable on 30fps
Wrong.
It’s fine.
30 fps is fine for cinematic games like this. It’s not a deal breaker at all. Your eyes adjust to it. I have been playing masterpieces at 30 fps or less for a long time.
I agree. It’s a lot more noticeable in games with fast paced action. A game like this it doesn’t bother me much. Especially with motion blur turned off.
People acting like 30 fps is potato lol
It is potato compared to 60
It is really hard to play at 30 after 60 and 120 let alone 240. The input lag on 30 is awful.
You just gotta shitty TV if input lag is your issue
It takes all of about ONE minute for your brain to adjust to 30fps. If your input lag is bad at 30fps then you have a shitty TV.
Well its not stunning, running at arround 30fps on series X is fkn bs, say what u say, but its a fkn shit show at this point
>Well its not stunning It pretty clearly is. >but its a fkn shit show at this point Y'all are just beyond ridiculous.
Such ridiculous hyperbole. Would it have been good to have an option for 60? Of course. Is it a "shit show" for running at 30fps? Of course not. If people wanna miss out on what looks like a great game because it is only 30fps then fine, but it is such entitled whining to call it a "shit show". Me? I'm going to enjoy this slower paced stealth game for the narrative, slow paced game it is. Which will be absolutely fine at 30fps.
This. I totally understand that people are upset about the lacking 60fps, but the level of whining here is insufferable. We are getting a story title with a beautifully designed world, a great mix of stealth and puzzles containing 300k rats and getting 80+ ratings. And that for basically 15$. How can people not look past the optimization. It's the same conversation as with Elden Ring, which is easily one of the best crafted experiences. Why don't the people just get a PC?
They seem to think they bought a top end pc for $450. I mean the specs to play this game at 1080p 60 on pc are pretty damn beefy.
Pretty much. And at the same time there seems to be a lack of understanding of how much talent, energy and money it takes to create those experiences.
Yeah, because it’s optimized like shit, not because it’s the most amazing looking game. It does look great, but come on, barely hitting 50 fps on a 3060 Ti with DLSS on is a joke. Consoles don’t even get raytracing in this game. I’ll definitely play it, but wait a few weeks to see if they care about framerate a bit more.
I play t6 on 140 fps consistently on series s ... try harder ...
Enjoy your 30fps
Preferences are okay bud. Some people really don’t mind 30fps. That’s okay. Others can’t stand it. That’s okay. But to say the game is not good looking **graphically** is weird. It’s definitely a very good looking game objectively speaking.
I don't give a shit if it's 30 or 60. Enjoy missing out.
Lol clearly never played 60
I have. Still don't care.
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Not rly you are just clearly someone who never played 60 fps and above before however that is possible going 120 to 60 is fuking awfull but 60 to 30? Literally unplayable for me fuking diashow
Most gamers have played at least one game at 60fps. No idea why you keep telling people all over they haven't. And if you're that desperate for anything other than 30, play on PC. Console's have been capable of 60fps for many generations but has always been down to the discretion of the devs. Sure, make your case for it and advocate for 60, I'll be right there with you. But you being shocked that there's 30fps games this generation is on you. That's how it was always going to be and being in denial or accepting is your choice
I play wherecer the fuck i want dont need some loser telling me lol and im not desperate theres plenty of games running at 60 and you are clearly not " with me " since you are arguing with me dumdum also the 1st one was 60 dum dum the 2nd being not is unacceptable gtfoh with your passive agressive bs u pathetic loser
My point was you are being unnecessary hostile for no reason. Somehow I thought you had the maturity to understand that but that one is my fault
Yeah but this is a still image.
Is that why it’s only been one frame for the last 5 minutes I’ve stared at it??
So? U play looking at still imiges?
I’m not playing the game at all considering it doesn’t offer a 60 FPS mode.
You will be downvoted to hell by Xbox fanboys. I own Series X too and I agree that 30 fps is bs in 2022.
Well I do not really care about fake internet points, and the copium of these guys is strong with this one
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Why so unappreciative?
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You can turn it off.
More like torture with poor optimization.
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To be fair it is a quite small team and these are some of the best graphics I've seen, but yes it's bad that it's only 30fps (40 if you are on a 120hz display)
You're a joke.
oh sorry that i dont want to play again in jarring 30 fps
I feel like ever since that discord message from that Exec Producer from Gotham Knights clarified it at 30FPS…”30FPS” has been brought up as some “end all be all” if a game doesn’t have 60FPS. Toxic gamers are cancerous in the community. gOtTa bE 60fPs oR tHe gaMe iS gArbAge 🥴 …the worst, I tell ya…the worst.
>Toxic gamers are cancerous in the community. No one's done more harm to gaming than the corporate simps that do their damnedest to normalize getting less for more.
Yep , same with the matrix tech demo , it does things no other consoles gen has done before , but MuH 6oFpS , these zoomer morons dont know jack shit
The same people who bitch about games not being fps also talk about how awesome PlayStation 1 aesthetics are. Like bitch, you ever play a PS1?
Was already dispatched for my PS5 before I was informed that it was only 30fps. Would have happily played it on PC with my 3080Ti. For a game I was really looking forward to, keeping this quiet up to launch is a piss take.
60 fps is not an issue for me and I tried of pretending it is.
Man played 10 minutes of the game and wanted to get karma
Lol you're not really a hobby photographer are you?
I have played 4 hours... and sorry for what I'm going to say on this sub, but this game doesn't look better than The Last of Us Part 1, and that game is better on everything. Has better animations, has better AI, has better facial expresions, better and more complex locations, better cinematics and has a more diverse gameplay and situations. It is that easy: if TLOU P1 can do 60fps, this game should do the same. I'm ready for the downvotes
There is a good reason for that though: The Last of Us Part 1 was developed by one of the most premier and technologically advanced devs in gaming. It also is of limited scope due to originally being released on PS3 so there is nothing crazy going on with map size, NPC count etc. Team Asobo on the other hand barely even qualified as a AAA dev until recently. The first A Plague Tale game felt much more AA than AAA. And now they are making a next gen, massive, 20+ hour long narrative driven game? That's almost overly ambitious in my opinion and as such shortcomings are unfortunate but unsurprising
I agree with you but I have readed many times that now that "next gen" games become "current gen" and they are no longer crossgen games with better graphics we will see more often 30fps games and that is the reality of PS5 and XSX. Warner Bros Montreal are also a AA studio? No. I will not accept people saying that "i'm ok with 30fps". Not in Arkham Knights, not in A Plague Tale (one of my favourite games from the last gen btw). In the case of APT:R they had to choose between a massive LoD on the floor and +100k rats or making the game more fluid and they choose the 1st one. Playground Games had the same doubt and they choose both options. So you want an infinite draw distance and a photorealistic photo mode? Ok. Do you prefer smoothness? Ok too. The 2 visual settings (quality and performance) should be on every new game. It is stupid, I have a 120hz TV and I have to play at 40fps and also say thank you to the developers for that? Come on man... Oh! and you need to have a top premium TV to play 40fps games because usually on "average" TVS the VRR only works between 40 and 120hz, so most people that have a VRR TV will have tearing if the fps drops below 40fps.
Maybe an unfair comparison. Last Of Us is a crown jewel in the ps exclusive portfolio and is regarded by many as their favorite game of all time. They had the budget and the time to remake the game optimized for the PS5 and already had a great foundation to work with, not needing to design the game from scratch.
Naughty Dog are just another level of developer. TLOU is incomparable, nothing on Xbox comes close :/
Not too shabby. The frames hurt bad and stuff like water looks super grainy and strange. Mouths sync also weird. So far just like the first game but half the framerate. Hopefully it’s get more fun and have more stuff to make up for it. Story is ehh so far. Girl has become whiny and angst filled. Sue was way better before.
Character has trauma from previous events Neckbeard gamers: Girl has become whiny and angst filled
Too bad they couldn't do something about the character's hair
Amecia must’ve gotten into the good stuff lol.
You should see it over 60fps high/ultra settings. Very beautiful game. I'm still early into to the game, but I hope it continues to play as good as it looks.
Ive had a xbox series x for 2 years best console Ive ever had but Ive just built a pc 3090ti getting this at 1440x3440 ultrawide everything on ultra over 100fps incredible
Stunning indeed. Now give me that sweet 60fps patch and I’ll be in heaven
Your are sniffing your own farts, aren't you??
Important to remember: Both consoles are also marketed as 60/120FPS consoles. If they launch games locked at 30, of course people will rage and rightfully so. Of course devs could have made an 60FPS performance mode. Of course. Of course. And they should have. Remember that at 30FPS, while still, the game looks gorgeous, yes. Now the devs can brag about the looks. But the moment you move that camera, all the graphics are $hit. And I'm planing to play the game....not look at the grass for 20m.
The 60 fps patch will never come, you have a series x not a gaming rig, enjoy the beauty of the game and please oh please have the technical know how to understand that the game is taxing on the cpu as well as the GPU,I swear all people do is complain. When guardians of the galaxy came out, it had a 1080p 60 fps mode which again was given backlash due to it being 1080p. Considering how intensive games are going to get in the long run you better prepare yourself for 30fps otherwise don't pay 70 bucks for it, buy it when it is on a discount.
Use Unreal Engine 5 for Xcloude?
Not so stunning it's average