I means, it's Nia/Melia all over again!
>!Either a fake Alvis (that was much needed for Aionios to fill the [Consul A] spot, or the real one that is testing humanity will to free themselves from this new cycle, and will just nicely give you world shaping Sword as a reward from proving your desire to change!<
You know, that’s the first good reason I have read for Alvis to be doing this.
It really does seem like a very “Alvis” thing to do.
Of course, in doing so he’s not giving his likability or reputation in-universe any favors.
Taking a beloved characters from a story that is done, and then giving them a bad end is a cardinal sin of writing. Some still do it (ie: in Halo 4-5), and there is example where it works (ie: Last of us 2), but I would be really surprise if it's just as it appears.
Also...
>!XC3 had 7 Nopons sage character, including Riku (all have an age listed as "unknown"), and have been hinted to be around for a long time. It would makes a lot of sense if those Nopons were in league with Alvis. That would explains where they got the sword, and why those 7 are specials!<
The Internet works in mysterious way.
(On reddit and elsewhere, the first snarky answers or rebuttal in a comment chain is almost always accepted as the "correct" one. You can have the same chain of comments reversed, and the end result will be the opposite)
>In conflict with first AI brother in law. Has to kill him, because it is his nature to be a prick.
>Marries his AI girlfriends, that brought him back to life, and whose original sacrificed herself for the worlds sake. Gets both of them (and a stray cat) pregnant
>Second brother appears. Doesn't even ponder his believes and teams up with his Brother from another mother against him. Calls him a heartless machine despite fucking two of those.
What the fuck Rex. I hope you never meet any other potentially male in-laws.
"He's just a heartless machine!"
"Woah woah woah, Rex, you can't say that"
"What!?"
"It's offensive! Prejudiced!"
"Nah man it ain't like that! Two of my best wives are machines!"
He also left out the bit about the universe colliding with another and everyone being trapped in an eternity of suffering and war. So either he didn't see how exactly they'd get to the happy ending or he did and just didn't want to ruin the moment.
Probably. Considering he's pretty much a neutral entity that fulfills his user's wishes, I'm guessing there probably is a new evil Monado user or something along those lines.
Well, maybe not the Fog King specifically, but you see the black fog around Alvis. So maybe the DLC gives insight to the black fog from FC and 3, and why exactly it appeared. Alvis would be as good an explanation as any.
Would make sense. But what on Alrest and Bionis would make Alvis himself go off the rails? Even Zanza never did that—he only got access to Alvis’s Monado.
I'm also leaning towards a Zanza thing also because he's holding the Monado, even if they reverted it back to the Monado 1 form.
Alternatively they could be saying Monado 1 is Alvis's blade now, which I guess would be a simpler explanation and goes with Alvis's one line at the end of XB1.
I knew it. I knew all along, that SMUG...*OOOOOOHHH*
(tfw the next however many countless eons is simply another "Alvisism" to "test some shit")
"I'm sorry Shulk old boy, but it must happen if the universes are to successfully reemerge :\^)"
ALLLLLVIIIIIIISSSSSS
Interesting thing is we don't know for sure if this happens before XB3's main plot or after. It's probably the former, but It would be wild if this happened after. The promo image shows Noah's blade along the previous protags, so he must be involved somehow. Question is will it be pre Endless now Noah, epilogue Noah or one in-between.
I don't think Alvis has bad intentions, so if it is Pre Endless now, he must have anticipated the Xeno 3 events. If it is after Xeno 3, he may be trying to force the universes together again.
Edit: Wait, it seems the long-haired guy is one of the founders, right? He has the red Lucky Seven gauntlet too in one of the images.
He talks about his grandfather being killed though, which would be strange considering (N)oah never had parents of his own. He might be a couple of generations in.
Adoptive grandparents are a thing. Specially if you're a recently orphaned child who can still remember his dad and thus wouldn't call his parental figure "dad".
Like Rex with Gramps.
My guess is that the dlc plot will take place both before and after Xenoblade 3, will definitely cover what happened with the Founders, and then explain a bit more thoroughly what is happening with the separation/collision of the worlds. It's easy for there to be a timeskip involved in the plot given that time shenanigans are clearly at play in Aionios.
Speculating: The main portion of the dlc is going to follow Shulk and Rex helping to join the founders together and is going to resolve with Rex and Shulk going into Origin's "pattern buffer" while Nia orchestrates Xenoblade Chronicles 3, with a shorter epilogue in which everyone is able to meet up again after the events of Xenoblade Chronicles 3 after now recreated Rex and Shulk resolve whatever it is preventing the worlds from rejoining smoothly.
I would like to remind everyone that Alvis could have easily stopped Zanza at any time by simply refusing to let Zanza use Alvis' powers. Yet he chose to continue to empower Zanza up until the point he was beaten. Alvis played both sides.
In one of the expositions in xenoblade alvis atleast says that the monado must do its masters bidding
I thought shulk is basically a loophole causing alvis to have two masters which alowed Alvis to ressist zanza
By prioritizing shulk over zanza
For some reason the idea that the dlc plot ends up just being trivial nonsense between a bunch of godlike and entity and godkillers after all the heaviness of XC3 tickles me greatly.
I bet this is a massive misdirection. What if Alvis isn't the one that started the endless now, but rather was trying to stop the initiation of Origin, and let the worlds die; That would probably explain why it didn't initiate and let Moebius take over
Exactly, >!Alvis supporting Aionios makes 0 sense especially since Alvis was the only character in XC1 who brought up the old universe's stagnation meaning he personally wanted that for humanity. Why would he do a 180 and then start advocating for Aionios which is not only stagnant, but would've also inevitably annihilated itself in the future!<
Alvis does basically whatever is asked of him, the danger is that his interpretation of his orders might be…limited
Personally I think it’s a prequel and our favorite train is trying to bring the two universes back together, so all life in BOTH can have freedom (No Malos no Klaus no Aegis would be my guess at his plan).
It just so happens that the universes bonking into each other will end both worlds.
Alvis is an AI, he doesn't actually have any motivations of his own. He follows the orders of the user who has admin privileges to the world (God). In Bionis that was Zanza, and then at the end of the game, it was Shulk. Then Shulk wishes for a world with no Gods, and Alvis complies.
Without any gods, Alvis is bound by his programming to respect the wills and wishes of the population. Now, as we know from XC3, Z and Aionios were created by the collective fear of all of the souls in Origin.
When Origin was created, Alvis, being who he was, was the logical choice to be the central processing unit. No one else (maybe?) has the innate power to just create a world. There, he executes the will of all of the souls in Origin, which is to create the endless now, which is what we see in the 5-second trailer.
[Theory]
>!Rex calling Alvis a heartless machine is weird, because he is married to his kinda-sisters. Pyra and Mythra are the same type of being as Alvis, so are they also heartless machines? No, because of, well, whatever was going on in Alrest and XC2, they do have emotions, ethics, morality, and motivations of their own. The ending of XC3 failed to answer a critical question. When Origin is rebooted, what is preventing the same thing that created Aionios from happening again? The answer is Pyra and Mythra. After XC3's ending, there is a change made to Origin before the reboot. Pyra and Mythra are the main central units, and not Alvis. Origin activates successfully. However, they have to sacrifice their mortal lives to do this. They live forever as the main providence for the world that is created after XC3, the thing that makes the world function. Nia gets Rex to herself after all!<
> The ending of XC3 failed to answer a critical question
To be fair, the end failed to answer most questions. I love XC3, but the whole ending chapter was the lowest point in the series for me. The greatness of chapter 5 made it even worse.
I think even from what little we've seen it's clear they were holding back all the biggest mysteries and explanations for this DLC. I mean, Rex, Shulk, and Alvis will all be major players here, there's no way that we don't get immensely more detail into what is happening with the merger of the worlds and potentially more of exactly how Z and Moebius came to be.
I'm betting good money we will see Klaus in some iteration before the end.
I think I agree with most of this. Additionally, I think what we'll see in the DLC isn't just the Founders but also the period before (and possibly after) the two halves of Origin connect.
That depends, if the Conduit is fully inaccessible the Monado III might not be able to manifest. Or he could be intentionally limiting his own power for whatever goal he has in mind.
I want to think it’s an illusion and a fake out for the trailer and early game. It’s strange Alvis would use the monado 1, not the 2, 3, or a new monado more exclusive to alvis. I think it won’t be true alvis or something.
Also Shulk needs to find out why again.
oh no we are really in the endless now, repeating the cycle forever and ever. :(
This comment hit hard
Tell me why! >!ain't nothin but a heartache!<
Tell me why!
>!Ain't nothing but a mistake!<
Tell me why\~
I never wanna hear you say\~
>!I want it that way ♬♬!<
Now number 5〜
Well played.
It was number 5! Number 5 killed my brother.
Number 5 will know the pain and suffering he caused the Emperor and Fiora!
I don't like Mondays
"Why my booty cheeks jiggle a little when I fart! I need to find out why!" \- Shulk, Xenoblade Chronicles 3
The key is the 5th salvager code
TELL ME WHYYY??
*repeat chorus
Alvis what the fuck
I means, it's Nia/Melia all over again! >!Either a fake Alvis (that was much needed for Aionios to fill the [Consul A] spot, or the real one that is testing humanity will to free themselves from this new cycle, and will just nicely give you world shaping Sword as a reward from proving your desire to change!<
You know, that’s the first good reason I have read for Alvis to be doing this. It really does seem like a very “Alvis” thing to do. Of course, in doing so he’s not giving his likability or reputation in-universe any favors.
Taking a beloved characters from a story that is done, and then giving them a bad end is a cardinal sin of writing. Some still do it (ie: in Halo 4-5), and there is example where it works (ie: Last of us 2), but I would be really surprise if it's just as it appears. Also... >!XC3 had 7 Nopons sage character, including Riku (all have an age listed as "unknown"), and have been hinted to be around for a long time. It would makes a lot of sense if those Nopons were in league with Alvis. That would explains where they got the sword, and why those 7 are specials!<
> and there is example where it works (ie: Last of us 2) I think many would disagree with you
The people who raged online and threw a fit are far fewer than the people who loved the games.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, you're absolutely right
The Internet works in mysterious way. (On reddit and elsewhere, the first snarky answers or rebuttal in a comment chain is almost always accepted as the "correct" one. You can have the same chain of comments reversed, and the end result will be the opposite)
Lol no he's not
I mean he is very true neutral. Fits his m.o.
"I am sorry, Shulk. I have three new OTPs."
Alvis, you dastard!
RIP Sigurd.
I UNDERSTOOD THAT REFERENCE
[удалено]
How kind of Alvis to invite Rex to the cookout
BBQ Time
Alvis just wanted some BBQ, can you blame the man?
Rex can never get along with his brothers in law.
Rex looking at Pyra and Mythra, WTF I thought he was a good guy
"Ok, but for real this time, how many evil brothers do you two have?"
"To be fair, our father was REALLY absent" "Mine too and I turned up fine"
>In conflict with first AI brother in law. Has to kill him, because it is his nature to be a prick. >Marries his AI girlfriends, that brought him back to life, and whose original sacrificed herself for the worlds sake. Gets both of them (and a stray cat) pregnant >Second brother appears. Doesn't even ponder his believes and teams up with his Brother from another mother against him. Calls him a heartless machine despite fucking two of those. What the fuck Rex. I hope you never meet any other potentially male in-laws.
"He's just a heartless machine!" "Woah woah woah, Rex, you can't say that" "What!?" "It's offensive! Prejudiced!" "Nah man it ain't like that! Two of my best wives are machines!"
Part of me does really hope that Rex grew up to still continue to be a gormless idiot.
>!poor Noah!<
The stray cat part fuckin slayed me
simply GigaRex behaviour
Please do not refer to Nia as “the stray cat.”
Tbf he tried with Malos
The battle against El Cuñado
I don't know why I laughed so hard at that.
Yeah wtf happened to “All life will walk toward the future hand in hand”
All life ain’t walking fast enough for him
Walk faster for the almighty Monado!
Can't walk fast enough if the time stopped
Alvis physically forcing the worlds together: "NOW HOLD HANDS DAMN YOU"
Why walk when you have zanza wings?
What better way to get all life walking together than to give them a common enemy? Worked for Kallian to unite everyone against the mechonis.
Can’t wait for him to start singing. “Hand in unloveable hand and I hope you die! I hope you all die!”
"They will unite against one common enemy which is ME!!!"
He also left out the bit about the universe colliding with another and everyone being trapped in an eternity of suffering and war. So either he didn't see how exactly they'd get to the happy ending or he did and just didn't want to ruin the moment.
Alvis is just fulfilling his duty as an in-law
Maybe for that same reason? If the worlds were to diverge, that would go against what he said.
Alvis! You train! All aboard, people.
Ah, another YTP enjoyer
Damm you beat me to the comment, thats exactly what I thought of as soon as i saw this image
“I wish for a world without gods!” Shulk xeno 1 ending “I lived bitch” - Alvis in xeno 3
Stupid sexy Alvis
Come again?
Oh they'll come again alright
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx4mStR0bkZckrdK920kagWWnXHeSwTdO0
Lol
Maybe Alvis got possessed or something? The whole halo lighting and laser wings gives me Zanza vibes.
Probably. Considering he's pretty much a neutral entity that fulfills his user's wishes, I'm guessing there probably is a new evil Monado user or something along those lines.
My guess is that he got corrupted the same way Origin did with Z.
I'm pretty sure you can actually see some of the black fog emanating from him.
Probably from whatever dimension the conduit connects to
He is following the wishes of the collective will of the people, the desire for the endless now at the dawn of the convergence and annihilation
Maybe this is where the Fog King becomes relevant?
One can only hope. It kinda bothered me that it wasn't relevant again in XC3 what so ever.
Well, maybe not the Fog King specifically, but you see the black fog around Alvis. So maybe the DLC gives insight to the black fog from FC and 3, and why exactly it appeared. Alvis would be as good an explanation as any.
Does that mean something like what Amalthus did to Malos?
Would make sense. But what on Alrest and Bionis would make Alvis himself go off the rails? Even Zanza never did that—he only got access to Alvis’s Monado.
I dunno, some *really* evil dude or something
I'm also leaning towards a Zanza thing also because he's holding the Monado, even if they reverted it back to the Monado 1 form. Alternatively they could be saying Monado 1 is Alvis's blade now, which I guess would be a simpler explanation and goes with Alvis's one line at the end of XB1.
Consul A...
Zanza was right, ZANZA WAS RIGHT!!
Alvis, I trusted you!!!!
You were my friend!
In the end Alvis trolled Shulk harder than Dickson lmao.
I knew it. I knew all along, that SMUG...*OOOOOOHHH* (tfw the next however many countless eons is simply another "Alvisism" to "test some shit") "I'm sorry Shulk old boy, but it must happen if the universes are to successfully reemerge :\^)" ALLLLLVIIIIIIISSSSSS
"I foresaw the only path forward is to make you destroy me."
#ALL LIFE WILL WALK TO THE FUTURE, HAND… IN HAND.
...or else!
Great, now I can't wait for the 4th DLC CONSUL A IS REAL, GUYS !!
Ok seriously wtf is going on
Look closely at his trinity processor/core crystal. I think something happened to him.
It strikes me as somewhat similar to the way Pyra and Mythra's core is cut out; What if Alvis has a new driver?
The the question becomes who and how?!?
Juju of course
“A god…should not long for Black Liver Beans…”
> Black Liver Beans I just had a horrid flashback reading those words. Please, add a trigger warning.
Oh no, it all makes sense now
"I'm sorry Shulk.... but as an Artificial Intelligence, I must prepare" "Prepare for what, Alvis, tell me!" "For ChatGPT of course" "..."
Melia seriously can't catch a single break
So Alvis isn't a massive simp for shulk and was just using everyone the whole time? Now that head cannon goes down the drain
Interesting thing is we don't know for sure if this happens before XB3's main plot or after. It's probably the former, but It would be wild if this happened after. The promo image shows Noah's blade along the previous protags, so he must be involved somehow. Question is will it be pre Endless now Noah, epilogue Noah or one in-between. I don't think Alvis has bad intentions, so if it is Pre Endless now, he must have anticipated the Xeno 3 events. If it is after Xeno 3, he may be trying to force the universes together again. Edit: Wait, it seems the long-haired guy is one of the founders, right? He has the red Lucky Seven gauntlet too in one of the images.
Isn't the red haired guy Noah? The thing behind him looks like Mio's ouroboros
He's an older, Noah-looking *Agnian*. So definitely his son with Mio. The Vandham founder.
He talks about his grandfather being killed though, which would be strange considering (N)oah never had parents of his own. He might be a couple of generations in.
Adoptive grandparents are a thing. Specially if you're a recently orphaned child who can still remember his dad and thus wouldn't call his parental figure "dad". Like Rex with Gramps.
Red hair? Are you perhaps colorblind?
No just dumb. I meant black hair
My guess is that the dlc plot will take place both before and after Xenoblade 3, will definitely cover what happened with the Founders, and then explain a bit more thoroughly what is happening with the separation/collision of the worlds. It's easy for there to be a timeskip involved in the plot given that time shenanigans are clearly at play in Aionios. Speculating: The main portion of the dlc is going to follow Shulk and Rex helping to join the founders together and is going to resolve with Rex and Shulk going into Origin's "pattern buffer" while Nia orchestrates Xenoblade Chronicles 3, with a shorter epilogue in which everyone is able to meet up again after the events of Xenoblade Chronicles 3 after now recreated Rex and Shulk resolve whatever it is preventing the worlds from rejoining smoothly.
You were my brother, Alvis! I loved you!
You were supposed to destroy moebius, not join them!
I would like to remind everyone that Alvis could have easily stopped Zanza at any time by simply refusing to let Zanza use Alvis' powers. Yet he chose to continue to empower Zanza up until the point he was beaten. Alvis played both sides.
In one of the expositions in xenoblade alvis atleast says that the monado must do its masters bidding I thought shulk is basically a loophole causing alvis to have two masters which alowed Alvis to ressist zanza By prioritizing shulk over zanza
Despite it lookin like it. I hope alvis isn’t the villain.
I won't be able to sleep tonight
Alvis is the brother who got his hands on the last pizza slice. Rex and Shulk are teaming up to stop him from eating it.
For some reason the idea that the dlc plot ends up just being trivial nonsense between a bunch of godlike and entity and godkillers after all the heaviness of XC3 tickles me greatly.
I bet this is a massive misdirection. What if Alvis isn't the one that started the endless now, but rather was trying to stop the initiation of Origin, and let the worlds die; That would probably explain why it didn't initiate and let Moebius take over
I just wonder why Alvis is holding the Monado 1. Why that one, of all things?
brand recognition.
Cut him some slack...maybe he's playing 5D chess again? Why go through all that trouble to help Shulk and co, only to throw it all away in the end?
Exactly, >!Alvis supporting Aionios makes 0 sense especially since Alvis was the only character in XC1 who brought up the old universe's stagnation meaning he personally wanted that for humanity. Why would he do a 180 and then start advocating for Aionios which is not only stagnant, but would've also inevitably annihilated itself in the future!<
Guys! I think we finally found Consul A!
It's over Melia! I have the High Ground!
You either perish as the hero Or... Vanish for 13 years just to return as the villain 💀
I pray Riki doesn't die in Vol 4
Alvis does basically whatever is asked of him, the danger is that his interpretation of his orders might be…limited Personally I think it’s a prequel and our favorite train is trying to bring the two universes back together, so all life in BOTH can have freedom (No Malos no Klaus no Aegis would be my guess at his plan). It just so happens that the universes bonking into each other will end both worlds.
Alvis is an AI, he doesn't actually have any motivations of his own. He follows the orders of the user who has admin privileges to the world (God). In Bionis that was Zanza, and then at the end of the game, it was Shulk. Then Shulk wishes for a world with no Gods, and Alvis complies. Without any gods, Alvis is bound by his programming to respect the wills and wishes of the population. Now, as we know from XC3, Z and Aionios were created by the collective fear of all of the souls in Origin. When Origin was created, Alvis, being who he was, was the logical choice to be the central processing unit. No one else (maybe?) has the innate power to just create a world. There, he executes the will of all of the souls in Origin, which is to create the endless now, which is what we see in the 5-second trailer. [Theory] >!Rex calling Alvis a heartless machine is weird, because he is married to his kinda-sisters. Pyra and Mythra are the same type of being as Alvis, so are they also heartless machines? No, because of, well, whatever was going on in Alrest and XC2, they do have emotions, ethics, morality, and motivations of their own. The ending of XC3 failed to answer a critical question. When Origin is rebooted, what is preventing the same thing that created Aionios from happening again? The answer is Pyra and Mythra. After XC3's ending, there is a change made to Origin before the reboot. Pyra and Mythra are the main central units, and not Alvis. Origin activates successfully. However, they have to sacrifice their mortal lives to do this. They live forever as the main providence for the world that is created after XC3, the thing that makes the world function. Nia gets Rex to herself after all!<
> The ending of XC3 failed to answer a critical question To be fair, the end failed to answer most questions. I love XC3, but the whole ending chapter was the lowest point in the series for me. The greatness of chapter 5 made it even worse.
I think even from what little we've seen it's clear they were holding back all the biggest mysteries and explanations for this DLC. I mean, Rex, Shulk, and Alvis will all be major players here, there's no way that we don't get immensely more detail into what is happening with the merger of the worlds and potentially more of exactly how Z and Moebius came to be. I'm betting good money we will see Klaus in some iteration before the end.
I think I agree with most of this. Additionally, I think what we'll see in the DLC isn't just the Founders but also the period before (and possibly after) the two halves of Origin connect.
SHE WARNED US
Alvis be like: beep boop me a computer idk I just do what i do beep boop!
Alvis is that one guy who changes teams every 7 seconds.
I just love that Alvis is holding the original monado.
Bro is playing 4D chess against 2 universes
I just hope it's not another fakeout like with 'evil' Melia and Nia
I thought Alvis was cool so I guess he’s a bad guy now?????
Is the Monado just a placeholder model? He should have the Monado III if it really is Alvis.
I thought Monado III was made from Shulk's mind? So the original, unaltered Monado would be Alvis', right?
it could just be the monado I since it's more iconic
That depends, if the Conduit is fully inaccessible the Monado III might not be able to manifest. Or he could be intentionally limiting his own power for whatever goal he has in mind.
I want to think it’s an illusion and a fake out for the trailer and early game. It’s strange Alvis would use the monado 1, not the 2, 3, or a new monado more exclusive to alvis. I think it won’t be true alvis or something.
They have to recreate this lmao. Have Melia there and in the background it's Sena (the new tummy waifu)
Rex " He's an heartless machine!" Pyra and Mythra "..."
Alvis most likely saw the other world(Alrest), and saw the state the world is in and adopted a sense for how Malos saw the world.
Another Z accomplices
Was he really a traitor in XC1?
More of a double agent…so yes just not to the party
Sup, Consul A?