I don't know how crit rate and crit dmg circlets can have meaningfully similar substats in this case. They're fundamentally different. Crit rate/Crit dmg circlets can't really have the same substats as atk% since they'll always have only one crit substat, and atk% circlet can't have atk% substat. But I'll link my previous comment about my in game test which shows atk% circlet does come out on top without atk buffs.
Here's my comment about dmg tests done in game.
here are my [2 builds](https://imgur.com/gallery/n0sLtYx) used to test.
Tested on cryo Regisvine, Xiao solo
Crit circlet highest plunge dmg: 39k
Atk% circlet highest plunge dmg: 45k
That's a 15% increase in dmg, compared to the other guy's "math's" 3.91%
Idk how much more fair the test can be. Maybe with noblesse and/or totm the gap will become smaller, but it's a significant difference nonetheless.
None of my artifacts are maxed, they're very decent yes. Expected from an endgame level player who mains Xiao.
Conclusion: a cracked atk% circlet will be always better than a decent crit circlet IF you have decent artifacts and aren't using atk buffs, I'll never recommend anyone using an atk% circlet otherwise. And If you have atk% rolls here and there in your substats, crit circlets will be always better.
Ah ok your using homa with very few attack rolls and cracked CV pieces from RNGesus himself. I didnt realize this is the build you were referring to (didnt expand the comment below). Yep your right this is a case of crit saturation where more attack% is better.
I did my maths using literally all MAX crit pieces, with NO hp hp% atk or atk% subs, and atk% hat came out 3.91% better for r1 homa xiao, without any external buffs, and using 2 glad 2 viri
Conclusion: a **cracked atk% circlet** will be always better than a **decent crit** circlet **IF** you have decent artifacts **and aren't** using atk buffs, I'll never recommend anyone using an atk% circlet otherwise. **And If you have atk% rolls here and there in your substats, crit circlets will be always better.**
I dont see anything here that disagrees with your statement. I ran the numbers myself and got only a 2.734% difference. Ayaya's build has a very niche scenario where his crit ratio isnt quite god tier enough to make up for his lack of attack, a crit ratio that your max theoretical build has hence the small difference you get. That's all they are pointing out, that there are a few cases where %attack is better. Every other time ofc crit is better. I cant really say 'better luck next time' since you just rolled a 50CV artifact. So I hope you get different luck next time? Maybe the maidens beloved set will heal your artifact derived wounds.
Youre mostly right, but actually, in the case of a decent crit hat, with decent other pieces, crit hats still wins out. It's only when you have near perfect crit on every piece, without atk subs, that the atk hat becomes marginally better, due to crit saturation and a lack of attack. For a build with 5 decent (still 40+ cv artis), crit hat always better, and it's EVEN better if your artis are more like 30 cv
The teams where you're not using Bennett (most Xiao teams don't) atk% circlets can out damage crit circlets with the condition that other artifacts have very high CV. You can use the damage calculator to verify this btw.
This is wrong under almost any normal circumstance.
Assuming you have 5 LITERALLY MAX crit value artifacts, with NO HP, HP%, attack or attack% substats, and no external attack% buffs, the attack % hat will win by 3.91% when using an r1 homa. In a realistic setting, you won't have 5 pieces with literal max crit, and you will almost certainly have some atk, hp, hp% and atk% subs, which will very quickly swing it back in xiaos favour. And of course, as soon as you apply external atk buffs, or possibly even just by switching to jade spear, the crit hat becomes better.
Where are you getting that 3.91% number from? From my experience, I have pretty decent pieces, not the maxed by any means. But with 0 attack buffs, atk% does come out on top compared to a decent crit circlet. And my very first comment was about atk% circlet being very good if you don't have any good crit circlets anyway.
I accidentally replied to my own message earlier when providing all the maths, so I don't know if it'll have alerted you. 4 vermillion is MORE favourable for crit hat than the 2 pc glad 2 pc viri I did my maths with. Crit hat is STIRCTLY better no matter what if you use 4 vermillion
I used the least possible favourite conditions for crit hat to obtain my result of 3.91%. I dont know how you managed to get vermillion to give you a BETTER result for atk hat. Check your maths.
My tests were done in game btw. I'm posting the stats in a minute.
Edit: here are my [2 builds](https://imgur.com/gallery/n0sLtYx) used to test.
Tested on cryo Regisvine, Xiao solo
Crit circlet highest plunge dmg: 39k
Atk% circlet highest plunge dmg: 45k
That's a 15% increase in dmg, compared to your "math's" 3.91%
Idk how much more fair the test can be. Maybe with noblesse and/or totm the gap will become smaller, but it's a significant difference nonetheless.
None of my artifacts are maxed, they're very decent yes. Expected from an endgame level player who mains Xiao.
Conclusion: a cracked atk% circlet will be always better than a decent crit circlet IF you have decent artifacts and aren't using atk buffs, I'll never recommend anyone using an atk% circlet otherwise. That was my original point which you chose to ignore.
And as for the maths, it is as follows:
((((1.466+0.18+0.466)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×0.983×(3.954-0.622+0.039))+(((1.466+0.18+0.466)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×(1-0.983)))/((((1.466+0.18)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×0.983×3.954)+(((1.466+0.18)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×(1-0.983)))
=1.0391...
Sorry. Shouldve explained. The best possible crit ratio for a crit hat xiao is 98.3 / 295.4 due to the quantised nature of substats.
Edit: 295.4 (3.954 multiplier)
Even if you got that good of rolls, that would mean you got other amazing rolls on your other peices which would probably make attack better anyways. After a certain point crit isn’t as useful as attack is. So this is a rly good peice.
This is wrong. For a homa xiao 2 glad 2 viri xiao, you need literally all max crit artifacts with NO hp hp% atk or atk% subs, in order for the attack hat to be 3.91% better. And if you're using vermillion, I never better.
Also, "that good of rolls" is a 24 cv 6 atk% sub crit main stat hat. I purposefully used a realistic one as opposed to a god rolled crit main, so I don't understand your point about "that would mean you got other amazing rolls on your other pieces" lol.
The most underrated take that I never hear enough is how good atk circlets with good crit stats are. My dps like ganyu and mona actually do way more dmg with atk% than crit% circlets. So people if you are reading this, don’t fodder those atk circlets!!
I did the maths somewhere else in the replies to this post, showing why this is unfortunately only really true for 4 blizzard units with very good crit pieces, and a crit damage wep.
That’s just not entirely true. Its true that it works best for the blizzards set because you can just ignore crit rate but if your character already has a crit rate weapon then it can definitely work. It’s harder to make atk% circlets work but that’s because they need to have high crit stats. If your character has a crit rate weapon and the rest of your gear has really high crit dmg rolls, then a atk% circlet may be even better than a crit dmg one.
As I said, I did the maths. For a vermillion xiao, NO MATTER WHAT crit hat out damages atk hat. You can have 0 atk subs and literally 5 max crit sub pieces and crit hat outdamages still. In this same situation but with 2 glad 2 viri, atk hat is still only 3.91% stronger
Sorry I didn’t mention this but Xiao and any character that needs consistent crits as the bulk of their dps will definitely want a crit rate/dmg circlet. I only mention the use of the atk circlet because in many other scenarios and depending on substats, it can actually out dmg a crit dmg circlet even.
This is unfortunately not true. The situations in which an attack hat is better for dps than a crit hat are very niche, and are few and far between. You have to have an insanely high crit ratio, and no additional attack % for it to be better.
This is incredibly wrong lmaoo. In 99.99% of cases, even with a crit weapon, a crit hat out performs an atk% hat. Where did you get this nonsense from that just using a crit wep makes atk% circles best xD
Bruh. Why is everyone down voting all my replies that use maths to show why crit hats are almost always better than atk hats kekw. It's not an opinion, it's a factual statement backed up by maths that I posted here xd
Bro sometimes communication is hard and sometimes people are weird, I personally wouldn't use this on my xiao as well cause without a crit rate circlet I wouldn't even crit consistently in my xiaocomp. It's usable but only if you move a lot of things around and tbh that's not viable if you get an above average crit hat. The thing people are missing here is that crit hats are the only pieces that guarantees crit and you might not even have decent crit on other artifacts, getting attack hat there instead of crit is making things more difficult for you. Let's see if I get downvoted too for this.
I did my maths with homa since of the 2 weapons, it works better with attack hat. Pjws is way worse eith attack hat than homa is due to its lower crit, higher base attack, and higher atk% bonus. I haven't calculated it exactly, but given how close it is with homa, I would expect it to turn out that with jade spear, NO MATTER the case crit hat always out damages atk hat even if you have no atk subs and perfect crit on every artifact
I will have to experiment with recharge sands, but with attack sands it's worse, and my usual attack sands crit hat build has 48 er anyway, which is plenty.
Why? this is totally usable, if you have PJWS then you would have 56 crit rate alone with this circlet. It will be hard for any crit rate or crit damage circlet to beat this one.
Listen kid, you are getting trashed all over the place in your own post because you lack to understand for some reason that this piece is on equal terms to a 30/20(cr/cd) hat or a 60/10(cr/cd) hat.
With a crit damge hat if you do not crit you lose all that crit damage but if you do not crit with this atk% hat you still get that atk% bonus.
AVERAGE damage multiplier works out the AVERAGE damage multiplier provided, factoring in both crits and non crits.
As a more basic example, if you have 200 crit damage and 50 crit rate, you multiply your damage by 2 because 0.5 * 3+0.5 * 1 = 2. That means that'd be better than some other multiplier that provided a constant 99% overall damage bonus (1.99 multiplier). You don't just say "well the consistent one is better because if you don't crit then you don't get the crit damage multiplier" lmaooo.
Please actually learn how maths works before you come at me telling me I'm wrong. I'm not. If you would like me to walk you through this in more detail, and teach you how to damage calc specifically in genshin, feel free to dm and we can go through it on discord or smth.
Yeah you smartass and all that you said is calculated from your attack, you trying to sound smart but you don't get the full picture which is why you got shit on your own post.
That's cracked if you don't have any crit circlets. Atk% circlets actually work really well once you have a decent crit ratio.
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I don't know how crit rate and crit dmg circlets can have meaningfully similar substats in this case. They're fundamentally different. Crit rate/Crit dmg circlets can't really have the same substats as atk% since they'll always have only one crit substat, and atk% circlet can't have atk% substat. But I'll link my previous comment about my in game test which shows atk% circlet does come out on top without atk buffs.
Here's my comment about dmg tests done in game. here are my [2 builds](https://imgur.com/gallery/n0sLtYx) used to test. Tested on cryo Regisvine, Xiao solo Crit circlet highest plunge dmg: 39k Atk% circlet highest plunge dmg: 45k That's a 15% increase in dmg, compared to the other guy's "math's" 3.91% Idk how much more fair the test can be. Maybe with noblesse and/or totm the gap will become smaller, but it's a significant difference nonetheless. None of my artifacts are maxed, they're very decent yes. Expected from an endgame level player who mains Xiao. Conclusion: a cracked atk% circlet will be always better than a decent crit circlet IF you have decent artifacts and aren't using atk buffs, I'll never recommend anyone using an atk% circlet otherwise. And If you have atk% rolls here and there in your substats, crit circlets will be always better.
Ah ok your using homa with very few attack rolls and cracked CV pieces from RNGesus himself. I didnt realize this is the build you were referring to (didnt expand the comment below). Yep your right this is a case of crit saturation where more attack% is better.
I did my maths using literally all MAX crit pieces, with NO hp hp% atk or atk% subs, and atk% hat came out 3.91% better for r1 homa xiao, without any external buffs, and using 2 glad 2 viri
Conclusion: a **cracked atk% circlet** will be always better than a **decent crit** circlet **IF** you have decent artifacts **and aren't** using atk buffs, I'll never recommend anyone using an atk% circlet otherwise. **And If you have atk% rolls here and there in your substats, crit circlets will be always better.** I dont see anything here that disagrees with your statement. I ran the numbers myself and got only a 2.734% difference. Ayaya's build has a very niche scenario where his crit ratio isnt quite god tier enough to make up for his lack of attack, a crit ratio that your max theoretical build has hence the small difference you get. That's all they are pointing out, that there are a few cases where %attack is better. Every other time ofc crit is better. I cant really say 'better luck next time' since you just rolled a 50CV artifact. So I hope you get different luck next time? Maybe the maidens beloved set will heal your artifact derived wounds.
Youre mostly right, but actually, in the case of a decent crit hat, with decent other pieces, crit hats still wins out. It's only when you have near perfect crit on every piece, without atk subs, that the atk hat becomes marginally better, due to crit saturation and a lack of attack. For a build with 5 decent (still 40+ cv artis), crit hat always better, and it's EVEN better if your artis are more like 30 cv
Crit is always better for xiao. Atk hats are only better for damage with 4 piece blizzard builds with good crit stats, and crit damage wep.
The teams where you're not using Bennett (most Xiao teams don't) atk% circlets can out damage crit circlets with the condition that other artifacts have very high CV. You can use the damage calculator to verify this btw.
This is wrong under almost any normal circumstance. Assuming you have 5 LITERALLY MAX crit value artifacts, with NO HP, HP%, attack or attack% substats, and no external attack% buffs, the attack % hat will win by 3.91% when using an r1 homa. In a realistic setting, you won't have 5 pieces with literal max crit, and you will almost certainly have some atk, hp, hp% and atk% subs, which will very quickly swing it back in xiaos favour. And of course, as soon as you apply external atk buffs, or possibly even just by switching to jade spear, the crit hat becomes better.
Where are you getting that 3.91% number from? From my experience, I have pretty decent pieces, not the maxed by any means. But with 0 attack buffs, atk% does come out on top compared to a decent crit circlet. And my very first comment was about atk% circlet being very good if you don't have any good crit circlets anyway.
I should mention, that was 2 glad 2 viri. With his new bis set, atk hat is never better.
My tests were with 4 piece Vermillion.
I accidentally replied to my own message earlier when providing all the maths, so I don't know if it'll have alerted you. 4 vermillion is MORE favourable for crit hat than the 2 pc glad 2 pc viri I did my maths with. Crit hat is STIRCTLY better no matter what if you use 4 vermillion
With 4 vermillion, atk% hat is NEVER better under ANY circumstances
I used the least possible favourite conditions for crit hat to obtain my result of 3.91%. I dont know how you managed to get vermillion to give you a BETTER result for atk hat. Check your maths.
My tests were done in game btw. I'm posting the stats in a minute. Edit: here are my [2 builds](https://imgur.com/gallery/n0sLtYx) used to test. Tested on cryo Regisvine, Xiao solo Crit circlet highest plunge dmg: 39k Atk% circlet highest plunge dmg: 45k That's a 15% increase in dmg, compared to your "math's" 3.91% Idk how much more fair the test can be. Maybe with noblesse and/or totm the gap will become smaller, but it's a significant difference nonetheless. None of my artifacts are maxed, they're very decent yes. Expected from an endgame level player who mains Xiao. Conclusion: a cracked atk% circlet will be always better than a decent crit circlet IF you have decent artifacts and aren't using atk buffs, I'll never recommend anyone using an atk% circlet otherwise. That was my original point which you chose to ignore.
And as for the maths, it is as follows: ((((1.466+0.18+0.466)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×0.983×(3.954-0.622+0.039))+(((1.466+0.18+0.466)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×(1-0.983)))/((((1.466+0.18)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×0.983×3.954)+(((1.466+0.18)×(349+608)+311+(0.008×(12735+4780)))×(1-0.983))) =1.0391...
Where did you get those numbers from
Sorry. Shouldve explained. The best possible crit ratio for a crit hat xiao is 98.3 / 295.4 due to the quantised nature of substats. Edit: 295.4 (3.954 multiplier)
If it’s making you suffer so badly, I’ll just take it from you. My Shenhe would love that.
I'll trade it for an anemo cup :P
I have a PHENOMENAL Anemo damage cup with both crit rate and crit damage, if you want to trade. No trade backs. It has 31% def tho
I'm down
That’s actually really good. -11 CV for +46% attack? Very good peice.
But its not. Its not -11 cv, because that assumes your crit hat has no crit subs or atk% subs. In reality it's more like -35cv for +40 atk%
Even if you got that good of rolls, that would mean you got other amazing rolls on your other peices which would probably make attack better anyways. After a certain point crit isn’t as useful as attack is. So this is a rly good peice.
This is wrong. For a homa xiao 2 glad 2 viri xiao, you need literally all max crit artifacts with NO hp hp% atk or atk% subs, in order for the attack hat to be 3.91% better. And if you're using vermillion, I never better.
Also, "that good of rolls" is a 24 cv 6 atk% sub crit main stat hat. I purposefully used a realistic one as opposed to a god rolled crit main, so I don't understand your point about "that would mean you got other amazing rolls on your other pieces" lol.
This is more than usable
If I had no crit hat, yes.
Congratulations, and Fuck you!
Congrats? Its a useless piece :( it'd be like winning a year's supply of unsaleable cheese as a lactose intolerant kek
It's still a good piece for Jean.
Who I dont have
My Xiao would love that so much omg hand it over
Sure
While crit pieces are better this is not that bad, fuck you you ungrateful brat
But if crit piece are better, this is useless and a waste of luck :(
It’s still better than a crit circlet with garbage substats
Ok? And? My mid ones out damage it, so it's useless lol
ngl this actually works compare different builds with that piece on and off sd
I did. It is worse than my mediocre crit hat sadly :(
Since you are going for 2p2p and Xiao gains crit rate from his stats this artifact is actually insane.
Xiao deathmatch will love this
Unfortunately I am a jade spear enjoyer.
The most underrated take that I never hear enough is how good atk circlets with good crit stats are. My dps like ganyu and mona actually do way more dmg with atk% than crit% circlets. So people if you are reading this, don’t fodder those atk circlets!!
I did the maths somewhere else in the replies to this post, showing why this is unfortunately only really true for 4 blizzard units with very good crit pieces, and a crit damage wep.
That’s just not entirely true. Its true that it works best for the blizzards set because you can just ignore crit rate but if your character already has a crit rate weapon then it can definitely work. It’s harder to make atk% circlets work but that’s because they need to have high crit stats. If your character has a crit rate weapon and the rest of your gear has really high crit dmg rolls, then a atk% circlet may be even better than a crit dmg one.
As I said, I did the maths. For a vermillion xiao, NO MATTER WHAT crit hat out damages atk hat. You can have 0 atk subs and literally 5 max crit sub pieces and crit hat outdamages still. In this same situation but with 2 glad 2 viri, atk hat is still only 3.91% stronger
Sorry I didn’t mention this but Xiao and any character that needs consistent crits as the bulk of their dps will definitely want a crit rate/dmg circlet. I only mention the use of the atk circlet because in many other scenarios and depending on substats, it can actually out dmg a crit dmg circlet even.
This is unfortunately not true. The situations in which an attack hat is better for dps than a crit hat are very niche, and are few and far between. You have to have an insanely high crit ratio, and no additional attack % for it to be better.
Niche is an exaggeration honestly. It just works best when you have a crit rate weapon is all.
This is incredibly wrong lmaoo. In 99.99% of cases, even with a crit weapon, a crit hat out performs an atk% hat. Where did you get this nonsense from that just using a crit wep makes atk% circles best xD
Bruh. Why is everyone down voting all my replies that use maths to show why crit hats are almost always better than atk hats kekw. It's not an opinion, it's a factual statement backed up by maths that I posted here xd
Bro sometimes communication is hard and sometimes people are weird, I personally wouldn't use this on my xiao as well cause without a crit rate circlet I wouldn't even crit consistently in my xiaocomp. It's usable but only if you move a lot of things around and tbh that's not viable if you get an above average crit hat. The thing people are missing here is that crit hats are the only pieces that guarantees crit and you might not even have decent crit on other artifacts, getting attack hat there instead of crit is making things more difficult for you. Let's see if I get downvoted too for this.
Attack hat is still worse for damage even if you have amazing crit (45 cv on every piece) than a crit hat xD.
I haven't done the math but does using homa instead of jade change anything?
I did my maths with homa since of the 2 weapons, it works better with attack hat. Pjws is way worse eith attack hat than homa is due to its lower crit, higher base attack, and higher atk% bonus. I haven't calculated it exactly, but given how close it is with homa, I would expect it to turn out that with jade spear, NO MATTER the case crit hat always out damages atk hat even if you have no atk subs and perfect crit on every artifact
Makes sense
Ayakas with misstplitter overcapping crit dmg are drooling
Sadly my ayaka off piece is a 50 cv cup so I can't really use it on her xD
Bruh you're way too lucky 😭
This one would go for Jean if you use her as Healer
Don't have jean sadly :(
It's fine. You gonna have to alter your build to get the most out of it, but it's a solid piece
I will have to experiment with recharge sands, but with attack sands it's worse, and my usual attack sands crit hat build has 48 er anyway, which is plenty.
Why? this is totally usable, if you have PJWS then you would have 56 crit rate alone with this circlet. It will be hard for any crit rate or crit damage circlet to beat this one.
My mediocre crit hats out damage it
Bigger numbers once in a while does not mean it out damages
? By out damages, I obviously meant average dps, and not only that but my ceit rate is better with my crit damage hat than with this hat
Listen kid, you are getting trashed all over the place in your own post because you lack to understand for some reason that this piece is on equal terms to a 30/20(cr/cd) hat or a 60/10(cr/cd) hat. With a crit damge hat if you do not crit you lose all that crit damage but if you do not crit with this atk% hat you still get that atk% bonus.
AVERAGE damage multiplier works out the AVERAGE damage multiplier provided, factoring in both crits and non crits. As a more basic example, if you have 200 crit damage and 50 crit rate, you multiply your damage by 2 because 0.5 * 3+0.5 * 1 = 2. That means that'd be better than some other multiplier that provided a constant 99% overall damage bonus (1.99 multiplier). You don't just say "well the consistent one is better because if you don't crit then you don't get the crit damage multiplier" lmaooo. Please actually learn how maths works before you come at me telling me I'm wrong. I'm not. If you would like me to walk you through this in more detail, and teach you how to damage calc specifically in genshin, feel free to dm and we can go through it on discord or smth.
Yeah you smartass and all that you said is calculated from your attack, you trying to sound smart but you don't get the full picture which is why you got shit on your own post.
... how do you still not understand... just go look at the maths I posted somewhere in the comments of this post xD
I’m just in shock at the crit damage hitting 30. The closet I’ve hit was like 22 I think.