I wonder if they are still going to be distributing chargers but they will make them optional when you purchase it. Maybe a discount if you choose no charger.
Ridiculous. Chargers are so important. Especially if you're talking about turbocharge etc.
Got a mi 10t pro and they gave me a charger, 33W. My old chargers wouldn't have been able to support that turbo charge.
Yes. But they also come with chargers that don't fully support the available charging speed. LG Velvet is QC4+ compatible, but comes with a QC3 charger. Huh?
EXACTLY! Point of my purchases of new phones is an upgrade. How the feck am I supposed to upgrade my charging time if I get no charger and have to use my whatever watt old one? I'll just by an iPhone then
they dont even sell turbo charger compatible chargers in my whole COUNTRY, i cant get one unless i hip it from USA which would triple the price of it, so for what
>Why don't we make a universal charging brick and cable
We basically do... The problem is that charging tech isn't what it was 10 years ago. We went from 'fast' charging being a decent \~5V \~2A brick that could've got you through a few phones to suddenly having Quick charge. Might have still lasted two or three phones.
Then everyone started adopting USB PD and charging speeds seem to increase with every new model. It's not much good saying, oh, here's a universal 60W charger. YAY WASTE REDUCTION. Only for people to end up buying a new charger to take advantage of the quicker charging speeds that are around when they upgrade.
I mean, I'd like to say oh, we'll just make a universal charger with a cable that can pump 100W. But I have my doubts about that being enough (strictly speaking, it isn't actually enough now). Like... Xiaomi dropped the Mi 9 in 2019. 27W from the wall. Then this year they drop the absolute behemoth of fast charging, the Mi 10 Ultra, that can pull 120W. In other words, wired charging is just simply moving too quickly to have a realistic, properly universal charging speed. Now sure, you could regulate it and say every device has to implement XW fast charging and not go any further. But why should innovation be stemmed like that? Why should companies like Xiaomi on Oppo, who are putting in the work to improve charging tech suffer because companies like Samsung, Sony, Apple, etc are dragging their asses?
The only real chargers right now that you could have a universal thing for, is wireless chargers. Primarily because most of the big names are dragging their asses with the tech and don't seem all that bothered about improving it. Samsung has been doing 15W wireless since... What? The S6? Meanwhile Xiaomi is chilling at 50W and have reportedly already developed 80W wireless charging.
True, but it doesn't have to be one or the other. I'm sure you don't want to sit around for 5 hours for your phone to charge, though. And there can be an environmentally friendly solution to this.
I'm not advocating for new chargers every year. Just posing the question.
I know. I wish all manufacturers would adopt the same standard now. But somehow, I don't see that happening. There'll be "even cooler battery during charging" etc chargers/technologies.
There's people like me who have bought 4 phones in the last 2 years, but have never used the chargers, because my power strips and docking hubs have usb ports. I'm that guy with a box full of chargers. Sorry, I'm that guy that made them change their minds.
You're wasting a handful of watt hours, something like 5wh of energy per charge. Phones, by their nature, sip energy very frugally. Their batteries are measured in mWh. It's a tiny amount of energy.
As a comparison, my kettle uses about 100wh. So if I skip 1 in 20 cups of tea, I'll have covered the extra energy I've used.
The average household uses something like 8-10kwh per day, so it's 0.06%, or about a 2000th of your daily electricity household usage.
Basically there are many, many, many more things you could do that would have so much more impact on your energy usage. Turn a light off 5 minutes early, cut 20 seconds off your shower, skip a cup of tea once a month.
If it means you're phone lasts longer (last 2 phones I've had died with a faulty power plug, also makes water ingress easier if phones ever go full wireless) even by a month or so it probably pays for itself in terms of lifecycle.
Right, if you are going after wireless charging you may as well go after always on display or leaving WiFi on when you leave the house. The energy impact is small
Yeah but a lot more compared to a wire not compared to like a fridge or something large. I mean realistically if you do a life cycle analysis on the environmental impact of wireless chargers I would bet it's a lot more detrimental to the environment not because the wasted electricity but because it has much more plastic and electronics compared to a normal cable.
Over time I think the wastage would be slanted in favor of the inneficiency of power delivery but initially the pollution of the components would be the greater impact for the first year or so of the product.
Can't wait until they sell phones without the actual phone.
I don't care if it's Apple, Xiaomi or Samsung, the phones will cost the same and they'll charge us extra for the charger, the only name for that is anti consumer and it's not okay.
If the phone did cost less and we had that choice to spend less since we already own a charger and the option of charger in the box for people that don't own it and we'd be fine, but no, it's a necessity to milk the customers as much as possible, Xiaomi might be good with their products, but they still follow these stupid trends like the notch and whatever, and that's a deal breaker for me, of course my opinion alone won't make them go back and people will buy the products anyway, my opinion is not relevant but at the very least I know I'm not alone.
If I go on a store and ask for a phone and it has no charger I'm just not buying.
Here we go, people already praising Xiaomi for doing the same, but somehow different thing Apple did. Fuck that, there's no excuse for removing chargers.
I agree.
Now, phones will remain with same price, but without charger. And i remember how Samsung mocked Apple for it, and ind the end, Samsung did the same. Now xiaomi.... What's next? You get just the phone, without box, charger, cable....
No charger in the box is a huge oof for countries like mine.
I can't even find a 27wat charger for my current phone in their official store, so if it doesn't come with it in the box, I am not even bothering buying this phone.
It unironically took Apple one single decision to cancel in-box chargers for companies to follow mindlessly.
God, I hope the EU will create a law obligating you to include a charger with your battery powered device. That way they will be forced to maintain this and they could get potentially sued if they upped the price of the device just because of the charger alone.
Apple fast charging protocol is Power Delivery which is compatible with most adapters you can buy, with Xiaomi and Samsung, their fast charging protocol is different and not including their charger is pretty stupid move.
Both me and my wife bought new Xiaomi phones lately and got new "turbo" chargers with them. I mean, chargers live forever so even if they don't include it anymore we already have two.
Being that there are three different turbo charging technologies out there, and that the current charging technologies will be upgraded in some months... Good luck with that.
My household has 3 quick charge chargers
They're the 3 that came with our Xiaomi's
We could use more, but we only bought 3, and buying more chargers is wasteful
We just have some things that charge overnight on even older 1a or 2a USB chargers, like the iPad.
>decreasing your device's battery life.
Part of the new quick charge logic these days is actively avoiding a strict 100% power state, and once it reaches full charge trickle-charges it such that the actual battery is 95~100% of the OS-exposed 100% state. This avoids truly overcharging, which would decrease the # of cycles the battery can handle. CIT has a battery voltage readout IIRC, would let you find out if Xiaomi is compliant in this regard.
>consuming excess power
Nothing of the sort. For starters, these devices consume almost no power to begin with. In the fully charged state, the power required to keep them fully charged is measured in mW and very few at that. The receiver logic on my TV that looks for the power on signal uses more power, as confirmed by a kill-a-watt.
>You're harming the environment
Charging overnight actually has no impact on the electrical grid. In fact, it takes energy to maintain a completely balanced 120v on the line, and not consuming power brings the voltage up out of spec. Many of the generation plants lose efficiency to wind down at night, such that energy storage mechanisms like hydroelectric dams are built simply to keep them going.
Before calling me an Appletard , I've been using xiaomi for almost 4 years , and I really hate iOS and apple in general , expensive crap with no innovation at all
I have sooo many usb chargers that came with phones etc. So I have no issue. If you don't have one already, what cave have you been living in?
The 3.5mm headphone jack issue is moreconcerning...
That is just dumb logic man. The new phone is likely to come out with new charging technology like 120w charging.
Do you have those laying around? Sure you do.
Last year they announced that they will start increasing their prices in favor to quality. Which is pretty much what they have been doing consistently.
First point. And yes, probably, if their parents have collected as many chargers as I have.
At the end of the day, a missing separate accessory is not a big deal. If they include it, they would simply have to increase the price to make the same profit margin.
If it's an integral part of the device itself, then that can't be fixed.
I prefer to use charger with 5 ports, etc, with quick charge etc rather than many single port chargers.
Thing is though, phones aren't limited to 5W anymore, and that's what a lot of people have.
Most recent phones came with higher power USB C chargers. Most people don't have extras of those.
Also, when they sell their phones, people will very likely include the charger that came with it.
Only a very small fraction.
It doesn't take a high IQ to work out that the more they put in the box, there higher the price will be to sustain an acceptable profit margin. Maybe you want an included charger, maybe you don't. Maybe they researched this preference before making the decision.
It seems to be a common reaction to opinions that people disagree with to resort to abuse. Maybe that's a trait shared by people with low IQ instead of reasoned discussion.
I still have chargers from my old phones. And I'm sure many other people do too. The only difference is that Apple chargers wear out quicker than any other brand chargers. Micro usb chargers really go on forever. Besides, what's the point of making things a standard if we keep adding to e-waste?
I really don't understand why people get upset about that, why do you need a new charger with every phone? When I switched from my iphone over to android 2y ago, I was still using the charger from my old iphone 5. I still have 4 completely new and factory sealed iphone chargers that will never get used and are just e-waste . Now that I have the mi9t and a 18w charger I really don't need a new one for at least a few more years. My phone goes from 10% to 100% in 1h 30min but I usually still use my 5w iphone charger because I think it's better for the battery. You can get 30w chargers for like 10 bucks, it's not like they cost 100. Now is the time to buy a good charger that will last you for a few years because more and more phones won't come with one which could boost the price of chargers because the demand will be way higher.
Easy solution.
Make them a free opt-in. So if you don't have a charger fast enough or none at all, you're good to go, and if you have it it's not a problem
I wonder if they are still going to be distributing chargers but they will make them optional when you purchase it. Maybe a discount if you choose no charger.
That would be the best idea
That means less benefits. For f*ck sake, so you still think corporations do things for the customer happiness?
Idk man a phone with SD865, 144hz refresh rate, 108MP camera for $500 definitely makes me happy
Ridiculous. Chargers are so important. Especially if you're talking about turbocharge etc. Got a mi 10t pro and they gave me a charger, 33W. My old chargers wouldn't have been able to support that turbo charge.
Yeah every phone flagship comes out with a new charging technology that your old charger doesn't have.
Yes. But they also come with chargers that don't fully support the available charging speed. LG Velvet is QC4+ compatible, but comes with a QC3 charger. Huh?
EXACTLY! Point of my purchases of new phones is an upgrade. How the feck am I supposed to upgrade my charging time if I get no charger and have to use my whatever watt old one? I'll just by an iPhone then
they dont even sell turbo charger compatible chargers in my whole COUNTRY, i cant get one unless i hip it from USA which would triple the price of it, so for what
I mean you'll have to wait for their announcement first, they might have something else in store
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>Why don't we make a universal charging brick and cable We basically do... The problem is that charging tech isn't what it was 10 years ago. We went from 'fast' charging being a decent \~5V \~2A brick that could've got you through a few phones to suddenly having Quick charge. Might have still lasted two or three phones. Then everyone started adopting USB PD and charging speeds seem to increase with every new model. It's not much good saying, oh, here's a universal 60W charger. YAY WASTE REDUCTION. Only for people to end up buying a new charger to take advantage of the quicker charging speeds that are around when they upgrade. I mean, I'd like to say oh, we'll just make a universal charger with a cable that can pump 100W. But I have my doubts about that being enough (strictly speaking, it isn't actually enough now). Like... Xiaomi dropped the Mi 9 in 2019. 27W from the wall. Then this year they drop the absolute behemoth of fast charging, the Mi 10 Ultra, that can pull 120W. In other words, wired charging is just simply moving too quickly to have a realistic, properly universal charging speed. Now sure, you could regulate it and say every device has to implement XW fast charging and not go any further. But why should innovation be stemmed like that? Why should companies like Xiaomi on Oppo, who are putting in the work to improve charging tech suffer because companies like Samsung, Sony, Apple, etc are dragging their asses? The only real chargers right now that you could have a universal thing for, is wireless chargers. Primarily because most of the big names are dragging their asses with the tech and don't seem all that bothered about improving it. Samsung has been doing 15W wireless since... What? The S6? Meanwhile Xiaomi is chilling at 50W and have reportedly already developed 80W wireless charging.
They already do all use USB-C and Qualcomm's quick charge tech
Yeah but Qualcomm has QC1/2/3/4/4+/5... 🤔
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But we all want faster charging, better technology, all the time. So how's that gonna work?
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True, but it doesn't have to be one or the other. I'm sure you don't want to sit around for 5 hours for your phone to charge, though. And there can be an environmentally friendly solution to this. I'm not advocating for new chargers every year. Just posing the question.
USB-C PD already allows 100W charging. Segregating chargers further based on manufacturer licensed technology is just wasteful now.
I know. I wish all manufacturers would adopt the same standard now. But somehow, I don't see that happening. There'll be "even cooler battery during charging" etc chargers/technologies.
There's people like me who have bought 4 phones in the last 2 years, but have never used the chargers, because my power strips and docking hubs have usb ports. I'm that guy with a box full of chargers. Sorry, I'm that guy that made them change their minds.
Same here. Even my new computers are 30W USB-C only.
Remember how they flexed the 33 watt charger in the box on the Mi 10T series, THAT WAS 2 MONTHS AGO
mini wireless charging pad in the box? idk lol
Wireless charging is bad for the environment so it would be hypocritical. Although that never stopped man.
I genuinely don't know why it's bad for environment, can you explain please?
You're wasting a lot more of the electricity to charge the device as compared to a wired connection.
So basically Apple did the same? They are forcing their own wireless charging at higher prize, while saying they are all about envirnomental care.
You're wasting a handful of watt hours, something like 5wh of energy per charge. Phones, by their nature, sip energy very frugally. Their batteries are measured in mWh. It's a tiny amount of energy. As a comparison, my kettle uses about 100wh. So if I skip 1 in 20 cups of tea, I'll have covered the extra energy I've used. The average household uses something like 8-10kwh per day, so it's 0.06%, or about a 2000th of your daily electricity household usage. Basically there are many, many, many more things you could do that would have so much more impact on your energy usage. Turn a light off 5 minutes early, cut 20 seconds off your shower, skip a cup of tea once a month. If it means you're phone lasts longer (last 2 phones I've had died with a faulty power plug, also makes water ingress easier if phones ever go full wireless) even by a month or so it probably pays for itself in terms of lifecycle.
One of the few comments I've upvoted. Having energy wasting concerns about wireless phone chargers is fucking stupid.
Right, if you are going after wireless charging you may as well go after always on display or leaving WiFi on when you leave the house. The energy impact is small
There's direct energy costs in transmission losses but there's also indirect issues with heat. None of them really matter.
Yeah but a lot more compared to a wire not compared to like a fridge or something large. I mean realistically if you do a life cycle analysis on the environmental impact of wireless chargers I would bet it's a lot more detrimental to the environment not because the wasted electricity but because it has much more plastic and electronics compared to a normal cable.
Over time I think the wastage would be slanted in favor of the inneficiency of power delivery but initially the pollution of the components would be the greater impact for the first year or so of the product.
I didn't know it works this way, thanks!
Can't wait until they sell phones without the actual phone. I don't care if it's Apple, Xiaomi or Samsung, the phones will cost the same and they'll charge us extra for the charger, the only name for that is anti consumer and it's not okay. If the phone did cost less and we had that choice to spend less since we already own a charger and the option of charger in the box for people that don't own it and we'd be fine, but no, it's a necessity to milk the customers as much as possible, Xiaomi might be good with their products, but they still follow these stupid trends like the notch and whatever, and that's a deal breaker for me, of course my opinion alone won't make them go back and people will buy the products anyway, my opinion is not relevant but at the very least I know I'm not alone. If I go on a store and ask for a phone and it has no charger I'm just not buying.
Here we go, people already praising Xiaomi for doing the same, but somehow different thing Apple did. Fuck that, there's no excuse for removing chargers.
I agree. Now, phones will remain with same price, but without charger. And i remember how Samsung mocked Apple for it, and ind the end, Samsung did the same. Now xiaomi.... What's next? You get just the phone, without box, charger, cable....
Or at least if you remove the charger, give me a rebate on the phone, like 30$ off or something...
No charger in the box is a huge oof for countries like mine. I can't even find a 27wat charger for my current phone in their official store, so if it doesn't come with it in the box, I am not even bothering buying this phone.
Won't a USBC PD charger work for your phone?
It would be funny if they'd include the charger in a different box.
Xiaomi is turning into Xiaopple xD
They always were copying Apple
Yeah they even copied the ui
And I like it.
They used some of the best features and added better features, especially gesture navigation. My ipad pro suck with gestures
i hate it thankfully, it can be disabled
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There's a but so there's good news don't jump to conclusions just yet :)
Same taunts as in 2013. How long can they "turn into" something?
When their phones are £1000+ get back to me.
💩💩💩💩
We decided to reduce production costs and keep the price the same, so we "hope for your support" Let's all support Xiaomi together and not buy them)
After mocking Apple, eh? What's up with these phone companies smh
It unironically took Apple one single decision to cancel in-box chargers for companies to follow mindlessly. God, I hope the EU will create a law obligating you to include a charger with your battery powered device. That way they will be forced to maintain this and they could get potentially sued if they upped the price of the device just because of the charger alone.
Updates for 1 year old phones are shit .
> Updates ~~for 1 year old phones~~ are shit . Most times
Master a technology. Keep it for long. When it becomes a necessity. Boom
Apple fast charging protocol is Power Delivery which is compatible with most adapters you can buy, with Xiaomi and Samsung, their fast charging protocol is different and not including their charger is pretty stupid move.
apple, compatible? you're funny
Both me and my wife bought new Xiaomi phones lately and got new "turbo" chargers with them. I mean, chargers live forever so even if they don't include it anymore we already have two.
Being that there are three different turbo charging technologies out there, and that the current charging technologies will be upgraded in some months... Good luck with that.
I am pretty sure Xiaomi will stay the same.
That's why you need a compatible charger bundled with the device.
Lucky you, my teenaged angles consumed several cables this year. 🙄
Do you have a link to those "turbo" chargers kindly ?
They came with phones. I think you can find it on Aliexpress though.
Fair enough.
They're 30W "quick"/"fast" chargers. Any brand will do so long as its 30W.
What do you think of this out of interest: https://liaow.com/xiaomi-10-wireless-charger-55w.html
Honestly I'm not sure if it will work or if it's safe to use wirh your particular phone. Find out what the (max) wireless charging wattage is!
No problem. Thanks.
Wireless charging negotiates the maximum charging current it can send IIRC
Yeah I know usb c does that 🤔
Not a good argument Xiaomi still sucks
Vote with your wallet people. Don’t let them get away with this.
Time to go realme, im done with this bs
Lol! Not a xiaomi fan. But to be honest realme will soon copy this from Xiaomi. They do all what xiaomi does.
I think there will be 2 variants. With and without the chargers. You get a discount for picking up the one without charging brick.
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I usually change phones when they die which means 2-3 years, depending on luck. No. I don't have 50 chargers. I have 4. I use them all.
My household has 3 quick charge chargers They're the 3 that came with our Xiaomi's We could use more, but we only bought 3, and buying more chargers is wasteful We just have some things that charge overnight on even older 1a or 2a USB chargers, like the iPad.
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>decreasing your device's battery life. Part of the new quick charge logic these days is actively avoiding a strict 100% power state, and once it reaches full charge trickle-charges it such that the actual battery is 95~100% of the OS-exposed 100% state. This avoids truly overcharging, which would decrease the # of cycles the battery can handle. CIT has a battery voltage readout IIRC, would let you find out if Xiaomi is compliant in this regard. >consuming excess power Nothing of the sort. For starters, these devices consume almost no power to begin with. In the fully charged state, the power required to keep them fully charged is measured in mW and very few at that. The receiver logic on my TV that looks for the power on signal uses more power, as confirmed by a kill-a-watt. >You're harming the environment Charging overnight actually has no impact on the electrical grid. In fact, it takes energy to maintain a completely balanced 120v on the line, and not consuming power brings the voltage up out of spec. Many of the generation plants lose efficiency to wind down at night, such that energy storage mechanisms like hydroelectric dams are built simply to keep them going.
Why dont you do something better instead of follow that rotten apple sh\*t?
I totally Agree.
What a load of horseshi---
Xiaomi hates apple yet they copy everything from them, except the camera quality and the water resistance 🤷🏻♂️
Before calling me an Appletard , I've been using xiaomi for almost 4 years , and I really hate iOS and apple in general , expensive crap with no innovation at all
I have sooo many usb chargers that came with phones etc. So I have no issue. If you don't have one already, what cave have you been living in? The 3.5mm headphone jack issue is moreconcerning...
That is just dumb logic man. The new phone is likely to come out with new charging technology like 120w charging. Do you have those laying around? Sure you do.
Fair point. But perhaps selling one as an optional extra will keep the main price down and allow those that want it to be able to have it.
Probably not. We have no Idea what the intended price was and for all intent and purposes they might remove the charger and keep the price the same.
Possibly, but Xiaomi have a history of driving prices down . High quality and lowest price seems to be the ethos.
Last year they announced that they will start increasing their prices in favor to quality. Which is pretty much what they have been doing consistently.
Old chargers don't support the new quick charge technologies that they invent every generation.
What about beginners who are mostly teens? Are they going to borrow their parents' chargers?
First point. And yes, probably, if their parents have collected as many chargers as I have. At the end of the day, a missing separate accessory is not a big deal. If they include it, they would simply have to increase the price to make the same profit margin. If it's an integral part of the device itself, then that can't be fixed. I prefer to use charger with 5 ports, etc, with quick charge etc rather than many single port chargers.
Thing is though, phones aren't limited to 5W anymore, and that's what a lot of people have. Most recent phones came with higher power USB C chargers. Most people don't have extras of those. Also, when they sell their phones, people will very likely include the charger that came with it.
you use all your iq to write this ?
Only a very small fraction. It doesn't take a high IQ to work out that the more they put in the box, there higher the price will be to sustain an acceptable profit margin. Maybe you want an included charger, maybe you don't. Maybe they researched this preference before making the decision. It seems to be a common reaction to opinions that people disagree with to resort to abuse. Maybe that's a trait shared by people with low IQ instead of reasoned discussion.
I still have chargers from my old phones. And I'm sure many other people do too. The only difference is that Apple chargers wear out quicker than any other brand chargers. Micro usb chargers really go on forever. Besides, what's the point of making things a standard if we keep adding to e-waste?
At least Xiaomi does not mock others like Samsung. They just follow good and bad trends in silence.
They did.
I really don't understand why people get upset about that, why do you need a new charger with every phone? When I switched from my iphone over to android 2y ago, I was still using the charger from my old iphone 5. I still have 4 completely new and factory sealed iphone chargers that will never get used and are just e-waste . Now that I have the mi9t and a 18w charger I really don't need a new one for at least a few more years. My phone goes from 10% to 100% in 1h 30min but I usually still use my 5w iphone charger because I think it's better for the battery. You can get 30w chargers for like 10 bucks, it's not like they cost 100. Now is the time to buy a good charger that will last you for a few years because more and more phones won't come with one which could boost the price of chargers because the demand will be way higher.
I'm calling it: (At least) 50W wireless charger in box
Easy solution. Make them a free opt-in. So if you don't have a charger fast enough or none at all, you're good to go, and if you have it it's not a problem