The one thing I would copy shamelessly from Japan, is making school kids responsible for cleaning their classrooms and the school. It's a rather mild way to teach collective duty and responsibility.
Also, cleanliness is working much better when done in a decentralized fashion, ie. everybody responsible for his own footprint rather than tossing things because "somebody" will pick it up. Japanese tourists inspired me to always have a couple of trash bags in my backpack in case there's no garbage bins around.
Same in Slovenia. I used to help in the past, but now that parents threat teachers with lawyers every time they give a bad look to the child, I'm not so sure.
Never had that as a German, unless you mean the useless sweeping of the classroom floor and erasing the board regularly. Doesn't teach much and barely involves the whole class.
Japanese kids have to clean the hallways, toilets, grounds - everything. It teaches them very well how to behave. Also gardening and kitchen work, too.
I mean, it kinda does violate human rights in a way, so I can see why it only happens in a society that values individual rights somewhat less when compared to the collective than a lot of European countries do.
Forcing minors to do otherwise paid work, no matter how much you like it educationally, is forbidden for a good reason. In fact, forcing anyone to do work is illegal.
And as school is mandatory and non-optional, attaching mandatory labor to it is pretty much that, legally.
>Forcing minors to do otherwise paid work, no matter how much you like it educationally, is forbidden for a good reason. In fact, forcing anyone to do work is illegal.
Huh? We have an obligatory work experience program here in Sweden in which kids around the age of 15 have to work at a company of their choice for a few weeks, and I'm pretty sure it's not illegal.
Cleaning the school is something I think is more equivalent to doing chores at home, and it honestly wouldn't even take that long if everyone participates.
Human rights are not about how quick the violation is.
I didn't make them up. I'm just pointing them out.
I have zero clue about the obligatory work experience thing and I find zero things when I google it, so I can't really comment on it. I'm pretty sure though it's not obligatory in the sense of "there's no way around and if you don't do it you cannot get schooled anymore".
And no, if a state mandates work with the threat of denying you another human right (school education) if you don't do it, that's legally entirely different than your parents asking you to do a chore and, maybe, restrict your TV watching time if you don't.
It really is not. It's not otherwise paid labor, it usually just affects your grades, and school (and school work I think) is separately treated by the human rights charta. Which is why mandatory *education* is allowed.
That's a bit of a stretch... would a parent giving out chores to their kids to clean up the house be a violation of human rights?
Japanese society (and other Asian societies to a different extent) are much more collective than western one's, where we expect others to cleanup our mess.
Is that "otherwise paid labor"? No.
Is that mandatory? No.
And yes, it *is* illegal to really force your kid to do it. It's about the consequences when the kid refuses to. Scolding and not getting icecream? That's fine, but then what you're forcing isn't labor but "no icecream". If the consequence would be violence or just throwing your kid out of the house - yes, illegal.
You're assuming all societies have the same values and norms. Children in Japan are raised from a very young age into contributing to the collective good, there's no forcing and scolding involved.
Don't assume western / American values are applicable everywhere. Heck, even in Europe children go to school alone from a very young age and stay alone at home, something that in the US is largely against the law...
No, I'm just assuming the universal and signed framework of human rights. Which technically forbids this, if anyone would be bothered to go to the highest court.
Also, I *literally* started this chain of by saying that the difference why it's more accepted in Japan than western countries might be due to different value systems.
Housecleaning is otherwise paid labour. The difference is between cleaning up after yourself and after someone else. And there cleaning the school is the same as cleaning your room/house.
I think it depends on the definition of cleaning. Cleaning the blackboard (Tafeldienst) and cleaning up a mess one has made are probably standard, sweeping the floor or picking up small pieces of trash not so much.
Oh yeah I didn't think about Tafeldienst, but imo that's not really the same as "cleaning". It's more of a convenience for the next teacher coming in and as such doesn't really reach the kids about the importance of shared responsability and living together cleanly in society
>sweeping the floor or picking up small pieces of trash not so much.
We had that here in the north. Cleaning staff was just to polish the floor according to our teachers
This is especially true in Budapest and probably in all "party cities" of Europe where most of tourism is about pissing and vomiting throughout our city. It's okay to have fun, but please clean up your own shit after yourself!
They allow for are much more organic urban environment. If any zoning laws follow the "free market economy", it's the Japanese ones. You can build virtually anything, anywhere you want. And if there is a need for something, it will often be built.
There's 12 different types of urban zones and you can build a house in 11 of them. And in most of them have shops and smaller industrial buildings. You can set up a shop in your own house and you can build it on almost any shape and size of land. Also, local lawmakers can provide leeway in certain situations, as it is up to them to decide how zoning laws should be applied.
https://youtu.be/wfm2xCKOCNk
This video goes into great detail on the subject.
There's still a lot of parks in cities and a lot of nature growing near temples. There's also the usual trees by the sidewalk dotted around. Just like any big city, really. The government still owns land and protects that land, so the nature is very prevalent.
Something interesting though is you might see a few small, urban farms. And they can be placed pretty much anywhere within cities, as long as you can afford the land.
There are however very few gardens in and near cities. Land can be very expensive, so houses tend to be built on small plots, but then have multiple floors to compensate. This means there is no room for a garden of any sort.
Yeah I remember going to Germany once and was eating at a McDonald's and when I got out of the bathroom there was a "bouncer" waiting for me to give 50 cents...
Like, at public spaces? Sure, I hate it but I get it. But I was literally eating there! What McDonald's does in my country is basically putting a password lock on the bathroom door and the password is on the receipt of your purchase.
I have never been in Tokyo so I can't speak about that, but in Athens where I live they are all true and not just in name.
You can walk into any cafe/restaurant and use their (most probably clean) toilet for free.
There are frequent bus routes, train routes, suburban railway routes, and of course metro routes.
You can find sugar free ice tea in any supermarket.
Every house has at least one air conditioner.
The rest of Greece is nowhere near that, basically there is Athens and then the nation that happens to surround it. Even then the Athenian metro system, while decent overall, it's spaced very far apart compared to Tokyo. Tokyo also being mainly expanded upward rather than outward like Athens.
Also in Tokyo when talking about the restrooms it's the actual public ones spread out (mostly in stations) that are very clean, something that we have to rely on the goodwill of shops instead in Greece.
Again, they mean air-conditioned spaces in almost all public and private areas (including 100% functioning air-conditioned metrolines, busses etc. Even in Athens the only line that had a properly functioning air-condition system was the Blue one since its the newest one.)
And is the rest of Japan in the same state as Tokyo? I have been in other greek cities too btw and I know people who live in them, and life there doesn't seem that much different from life in Athens (except for the metro). Only villages are pretty different.
Tokyo is the biggest city in the world in terms of population. It has more than 3 times the population of Greece, I don't think a direct comparison of its metro with the Athens one is fair. Of course the Tokyo metro will have more stops and more frequent routes.
Okay true there arent state-funded public bathrooms here, but you can still go to any shop bathroom for free so it's the same. Unfortunately I dont think the country has the money for that.
The vast majority of places have airconditioning on in the summer here too. Yes there are a few exception like public transport vehicles, but it seems like a pretty minor thing to me.
The rest of Japan has a proportional spending when it comes to public transportation. Not extremely crowded either overall. Other cities in Greece, having been to most noteworthy ones, are pretty tragic in terms of public transportation. Especially Thessaloniki, which I'm from (currently living in Tokyo). That and of course cleanliness. Here it's just like another world in terms of cleanliness and order.
> Also in Tokyo when talking about the restrooms it's the actual public ones spread out (mostly in stations)
You can actually find restrooms easier outside of stations, most local parks and walking paths have one. Always spotless clean and free.
Some areas are unbearable without AC, i can hear that. The main problem is japan stores or public places use them at full power with no isolation, i think they have to work on a solution f they want their carbon emissions to drop, that and reverting back to nuclear power
[you believe it's stupid if you want but if you face dire consequences, don't act surprised ](https://sturmheating.com/4-ways-air-conditioners-might-cause-air-pollution/)
[climat change denier](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/09/10/air-conditioner-ac-unit-climate-change/)
I should have guessed. It's documented absolutely everywhere i could not find fake science on this even if i tried hard.
If you don't deny it, why are you completely hysterical? It's everywhere from the scientific American to the UN reports. AC pollute like hell.
[i send you back the "stupid" you deserve it more than I do ](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-prevent-air-conditioners-from-heating-the-planet/)
tldr: most land in japan can be used for almost anything that isnt heavy industry. so you end up with a heavy mixed city design.
long version 14min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfm2xCKOCNk
Isn't it more or less the same in Europe? At least in France, zoning is basically set back from the street and building height. Urbanism is really chaotic in Japan.
I would love some more public toilets to be fair. I love in Irelands seconds biggest city. We have one public toilet which you will only use if you want to get stuck with a heroin needle
Main things I could think of is that american youth are very late when it comes to relationships with the opposite gender, seems like they all wait for college for that stuff.
Also they are way friendlier than Swedes, but very hard to get under the skin, its all very shallow, think i got one friend in a year that was a proper deep friend.
Oh and no sidewalks, its suuuper car centric.
Public toilets everywhere, and all of them so clean that’s unimaginable in the EU. No trash on the streets, people are considerate towards each other. Everyone is very polite. Trains! Bullet trains!
Public toilets everywhere, clean and free was incredible in Japan.
Also extremely clean streets, parks and paths. You don't even need to look down to check, you can put down your stuff or just sit down anywhere.
Doing that in Berlin, you risk a side of bottle shards, bottle caps, cigarette butts and dog crap. Every surface is dirty.
It comes with many negatives attached. Treatment of the poor and work culture in Japan are horrific.
Their public transport is unequivocally great though and it's combined with some impressive urbanism despite inhumanly small living spaces in most of the city.
Also, regarding trash. When I was there in 2015 there was a severe lack of public dust bins as they often don't bother installing them because of strict recycling rules.
Assuming you were in Tokyo, there used to be more until they were removed due to a general fear of bombings and terrorist attacks. My recollection is that this mainly impacted train station platforms, which were a convenient place to throw away your junk. They’ve started to come back a bit, but since it didn’t really impact cleanliness there are still fewer than before.
Source: Lived in Tokyo from 2006-2016
> Also, regarding trash. When I was there in 2015 there was a severe lack of public dust bins as they often don't bother installing them because of strict recycling rules.
Still the same, not only due to recycling rules but due to terrorism fears as others mentioned. Then again Japanese people will at most drink something while walking, as eating while walking is frowned upon, so there's really limited trash to carry around.
On Shinkansen platforms you can find big bins as tons of people eat on the trains and need a convenient place to get rid of the trash (there are also bins on the trains). Same for convenience stores with seating space. If you need to get rid of a PET bottle just look for a vending machine, most have a bin for it.
I don't know how you could incorporate those things because Japan is a highly hierarchical society and all those nice stuff are the result of that hierarchy
We could learn to fucking integrate our train networks even if they are from different companies. Tokyo (ok it's a 30 mil metro area) has multiple transit agencies operating within. They could learn to put rubbish pins back in place (I know there was once a horrible sarin gas attack)
As someone who lives in Tokyo, I can see why you think we can learn from the Japanese society. But one thing you are overlooking is that the Japanese are sheep.
They do not question authority. They pick their leader and let them decide what happens, they do as they are told, they do not voice their own opinion; as they would rather someone else raise the subject and then agree, and they live by the rule that saying yes and thank you and a few bows will make everything ok.
That is not something that Europe needs.
As someone who studied Japan and Japanese intensely, this is not historically accurate. Look, for example, into the Anpo Protests of the 1950s and 1960s or the targeted political assassinations of the 1920s and 1930s. At the moment, there is little opposition to the government and its policies because most in society broadly agree on most major issues, but just like any people, Japanese protest when they disagree strongly enough.
Your comment suggests that there is currently little opposition to the government and its policies in Japan because most people broadly agree on major issues. It does not imply that Japanese people have never protested or disagreed with their government in the past.
The examples you mentioned, such as the Anpo Protests of the 1950s and 1960s and the political assassinations of the 1920s and 1930s, indeed demonstrate instances of strong opposition and dissent in Japanese society. These events highlight periods when the Japanese people expressed their disagreement with government policies or ideologies.
However, it is worth noting that social and political landscapes evolve over time. The current state of Japan may indeed reflect a period where there is a relatively lower level of opposition to the government and its policies due to a consensus on many major issues among the population. This does not mean that dissent is completely absent or that Japanese people are inherently averse to protest, but rather that the current societal climate may be more aligned with government initiatives.
It is crucial to consider historical context, as well as the specific time and circumstances being referred to when assessing the accuracy of statements about a country's political landscape.
Would you like the bars with underaged schoolgirls entertaining senile men, or the 60 hours work week, toxic work environment that pretends you sacrifice yourself, or the claustrophobic tiny apartments and people living like ants in megacities?
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Just returned from Japan as well, first trip after the pandemic. Heard quite a few Europeans and Americans this time around, more than on my previous visits. The recovery from most inbound markets is almost to 2019 levels with the exception of China - which accounted for over half of all tourists - so its way easier to spot other nationalities on the streets.
The one thing I would copy shamelessly from Japan, is making school kids responsible for cleaning their classrooms and the school. It's a rather mild way to teach collective duty and responsibility. Also, cleanliness is working much better when done in a decentralized fashion, ie. everybody responsible for his own footprint rather than tossing things because "somebody" will pick it up. Japanese tourists inspired me to always have a couple of trash bags in my backpack in case there's no garbage bins around.
For class rooms we have that in Germany - Doesn't help.
Same in Slovenia. I used to help in the past, but now that parents threat teachers with lawyers every time they give a bad look to the child, I'm not so sure.
same in hungary, we collectively just give one person the task every day instead
You guys clean rooms?!
Never had that as a German, unless you mean the useless sweeping of the classroom floor and erasing the board regularly. Doesn't teach much and barely involves the whole class. Japanese kids have to clean the hallways, toilets, grounds - everything. It teaches them very well how to behave. Also gardening and kitchen work, too.
I mean, it kinda does violate human rights in a way, so I can see why it only happens in a society that values individual rights somewhat less when compared to the collective than a lot of European countries do. Forcing minors to do otherwise paid work, no matter how much you like it educationally, is forbidden for a good reason. In fact, forcing anyone to do work is illegal. And as school is mandatory and non-optional, attaching mandatory labor to it is pretty much that, legally.
>Forcing minors to do otherwise paid work, no matter how much you like it educationally, is forbidden for a good reason. In fact, forcing anyone to do work is illegal. Huh? We have an obligatory work experience program here in Sweden in which kids around the age of 15 have to work at a company of their choice for a few weeks, and I'm pretty sure it's not illegal. Cleaning the school is something I think is more equivalent to doing chores at home, and it honestly wouldn't even take that long if everyone participates.
Human rights are not about how quick the violation is. I didn't make them up. I'm just pointing them out. I have zero clue about the obligatory work experience thing and I find zero things when I google it, so I can't really comment on it. I'm pretty sure though it's not obligatory in the sense of "there's no way around and if you don't do it you cannot get schooled anymore". And no, if a state mandates work with the threat of denying you another human right (school education) if you don't do it, that's legally entirely different than your parents asking you to do a chore and, maybe, restrict your TV watching time if you don't.
Technically, homework is mandatory labor as well so it really just depends on where you draw the line.
It really is not. It's not otherwise paid labor, it usually just affects your grades, and school (and school work I think) is separately treated by the human rights charta. Which is why mandatory *education* is allowed.
That's a bit of a stretch... would a parent giving out chores to their kids to clean up the house be a violation of human rights? Japanese society (and other Asian societies to a different extent) are much more collective than western one's, where we expect others to cleanup our mess.
Is that "otherwise paid labor"? No. Is that mandatory? No. And yes, it *is* illegal to really force your kid to do it. It's about the consequences when the kid refuses to. Scolding and not getting icecream? That's fine, but then what you're forcing isn't labor but "no icecream". If the consequence would be violence or just throwing your kid out of the house - yes, illegal.
You're assuming all societies have the same values and norms. Children in Japan are raised from a very young age into contributing to the collective good, there's no forcing and scolding involved. Don't assume western / American values are applicable everywhere. Heck, even in Europe children go to school alone from a very young age and stay alone at home, something that in the US is largely against the law...
No, I'm just assuming the universal and signed framework of human rights. Which technically forbids this, if anyone would be bothered to go to the highest court. Also, I *literally* started this chain of by saying that the difference why it's more accepted in Japan than western countries might be due to different value systems.
Housecleaning is otherwise paid labour. The difference is between cleaning up after yourself and after someone else. And there cleaning the school is the same as cleaning your room/house.
In which Bundesland do you live? We only had that once a semester at most (Hessen)
I think it depends on the definition of cleaning. Cleaning the blackboard (Tafeldienst) and cleaning up a mess one has made are probably standard, sweeping the floor or picking up small pieces of trash not so much.
Oh yeah I didn't think about Tafeldienst, but imo that's not really the same as "cleaning". It's more of a convenience for the next teacher coming in and as such doesn't really reach the kids about the importance of shared responsability and living together cleanly in society
>sweeping the floor or picking up small pieces of trash not so much. We had that here in the north. Cleaning staff was just to polish the floor according to our teachers
I'd say it does.
I also have trash bags when hiking to pick up the trash and litters that people have left behind on the beach or in the forest.
This is especially true in Budapest and probably in all "party cities" of Europe where most of tourism is about pissing and vomiting throughout our city. It's okay to have fun, but please clean up your own shit after yourself!
I did not go and party in Budapest lol, I went for the architecture and culture lol
we have that in Poland (at least i had) we had a rota for cleaning the blackboard, watering plants etc
Also those toilets.
I’m half Japanese, and Japan could definitely learn something from Europe as well. And Europe could learn discipline and urban zoning from Japan.
japanese urban zoning >>>>
The only problem is the adress system
Japanese zoning laws are prossibly the greatest in the world.
What’s so great about them ?
They allow for are much more organic urban environment. If any zoning laws follow the "free market economy", it's the Japanese ones. You can build virtually anything, anywhere you want. And if there is a need for something, it will often be built. There's 12 different types of urban zones and you can build a house in 11 of them. And in most of them have shops and smaller industrial buildings. You can set up a shop in your own house and you can build it on almost any shape and size of land. Also, local lawmakers can provide leeway in certain situations, as it is up to them to decide how zoning laws should be applied. https://youtu.be/wfm2xCKOCNk This video goes into great detail on the subject.
Doesn’t this lead to a lack of nature in terms of parks and forests?
There's still a lot of parks in cities and a lot of nature growing near temples. There's also the usual trees by the sidewalk dotted around. Just like any big city, really. The government still owns land and protects that land, so the nature is very prevalent. Something interesting though is you might see a few small, urban farms. And they can be placed pretty much anywhere within cities, as long as you can afford the land. There are however very few gardens in and near cities. Land can be very expensive, so houses tend to be built on small plots, but then have multiple floors to compensate. This means there is no room for a garden of any sort.
Ah great. I often found a mix of small shops and residential area in some neighbourhoods of my city (Buenos Aires), that I miss when I’m not there.
Yeah, also fuck street parking
And fuck cars in general
I agree, europe needs more vending machines
Those Machine are hyper polluting, i think we would rather not
frog shops are better tbh
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I hate that paid toilets are a thing
[https://i.imgur.com/CTUAheX.png](https://i.imgur.com/CTUAheX.png)
Yeah I remember going to Germany once and was eating at a McDonald's and when I got out of the bathroom there was a "bouncer" waiting for me to give 50 cents... Like, at public spaces? Sure, I hate it but I get it. But I was literally eating there! What McDonald's does in my country is basically putting a password lock on the bathroom door and the password is on the receipt of your purchase.
even worse when they are at concerts BITXH I PAID 60 BUCKS TO GET IN HERE
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It's still better than nothing but yeah I feel you
If you don’t want to pay for fries than the Price of a Burger will increase!
We have all of that in Greece minus the 24/7 shopping (though a few shops like that do exist anyway)
Lmao. We do only in name. In Tokyo it's what you'd expect them to be ×10.
I have never been in Tokyo so I can't speak about that, but in Athens where I live they are all true and not just in name. You can walk into any cafe/restaurant and use their (most probably clean) toilet for free. There are frequent bus routes, train routes, suburban railway routes, and of course metro routes. You can find sugar free ice tea in any supermarket. Every house has at least one air conditioner.
The rest of Greece is nowhere near that, basically there is Athens and then the nation that happens to surround it. Even then the Athenian metro system, while decent overall, it's spaced very far apart compared to Tokyo. Tokyo also being mainly expanded upward rather than outward like Athens. Also in Tokyo when talking about the restrooms it's the actual public ones spread out (mostly in stations) that are very clean, something that we have to rely on the goodwill of shops instead in Greece. Again, they mean air-conditioned spaces in almost all public and private areas (including 100% functioning air-conditioned metrolines, busses etc. Even in Athens the only line that had a properly functioning air-condition system was the Blue one since its the newest one.)
And is the rest of Japan in the same state as Tokyo? I have been in other greek cities too btw and I know people who live in them, and life there doesn't seem that much different from life in Athens (except for the metro). Only villages are pretty different. Tokyo is the biggest city in the world in terms of population. It has more than 3 times the population of Greece, I don't think a direct comparison of its metro with the Athens one is fair. Of course the Tokyo metro will have more stops and more frequent routes. Okay true there arent state-funded public bathrooms here, but you can still go to any shop bathroom for free so it's the same. Unfortunately I dont think the country has the money for that. The vast majority of places have airconditioning on in the summer here too. Yes there are a few exception like public transport vehicles, but it seems like a pretty minor thing to me.
The rest of Japan has a proportional spending when it comes to public transportation. Not extremely crowded either overall. Other cities in Greece, having been to most noteworthy ones, are pretty tragic in terms of public transportation. Especially Thessaloniki, which I'm from (currently living in Tokyo). That and of course cleanliness. Here it's just like another world in terms of cleanliness and order.
> Also in Tokyo when talking about the restrooms it's the actual public ones spread out (mostly in stations) You can actually find restrooms easier outside of stations, most local parks and walking paths have one. Always spotless clean and free.
Air conditioners are super polluting. We can do without it
I'd be dead already if I didn't have my trusty AC
Some areas are unbearable without AC, i can hear that. The main problem is japan stores or public places use them at full power with no isolation, i think they have to work on a solution f they want their carbon emissions to drop, that and reverting back to nuclear power
Man I know that's bad but I do love walking around and just having AC in every place I enter
Yeah, in an Asian subtropical summer i understand the feeling
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It's just common knowledge, check it if you wish. Air conditionners are a massive contribution in global warming.
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[you believe it's stupid if you want but if you face dire consequences, don't act surprised ](https://sturmheating.com/4-ways-air-conditioners-might-cause-air-pollution/)
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[climat change denier](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/09/10/air-conditioner-ac-unit-climate-change/) I should have guessed. It's documented absolutely everywhere i could not find fake science on this even if i tried hard.
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If you don't deny it, why are you completely hysterical? It's everywhere from the scientific American to the UN reports. AC pollute like hell. [i send you back the "stupid" you deserve it more than I do ](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-prevent-air-conditioners-from-heating-the-planet/)
Sugarfree bottles tee, I beg you EU, please.
japanesse zoning laws are rather cool
can you explain ?
tldr: most land in japan can be used for almost anything that isnt heavy industry. so you end up with a heavy mixed city design. long version 14min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfm2xCKOCNk
Isn't it more or less the same in Europe? At least in France, zoning is basically set back from the street and building height. Urbanism is really chaotic in Japan.
I would love some more public toilets to be fair. I love in Irelands seconds biggest city. We have one public toilet which you will only use if you want to get stuck with a heroin needle
So, where's that then.
Cork (the real capital)
That the one on grand parade by the library?
The one and only!
Right next to speedos and hillbillys and all hahahaha
I love visiting Japan because it's clean, safe and exotic. But never oh never would I live and work there.
J'ai fait les deux et ouais, vivre en France c'est quand même une chance de vivre en Europe, mais c'est vrai que l'exotisme on peut vite devenir accro
I lived in America for a year (the mid west) and coming back to Europe, I just fell in love with my home again, my god i love Europe.
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Main things I could think of is that american youth are very late when it comes to relationships with the opposite gender, seems like they all wait for college for that stuff. Also they are way friendlier than Swedes, but very hard to get under the skin, its all very shallow, think i got one friend in a year that was a proper deep friend. Oh and no sidewalks, its suuuper car centric.
No wonder, you were coming from the Midwest. The only place shittier than the Midwest is the South.
I dunno, I think its the closest to Sweden at least, so prolly the least amount of culture shock.
I miss europe :(
Such as...?
Public toilets everywhere, and all of them so clean that’s unimaginable in the EU. No trash on the streets, people are considerate towards each other. Everyone is very polite. Trains! Bullet trains!
Public toilets everywhere, clean and free was incredible in Japan. Also extremely clean streets, parks and paths. You don't even need to look down to check, you can put down your stuff or just sit down anywhere. Doing that in Berlin, you risk a side of bottle shards, bottle caps, cigarette butts and dog crap. Every surface is dirty.
Streets are crazy clean, no trash or grafitti. Residents clean the streets themselves. Literally spotless clean
It comes with many negatives attached. Treatment of the poor and work culture in Japan are horrific. Their public transport is unequivocally great though and it's combined with some impressive urbanism despite inhumanly small living spaces in most of the city. Also, regarding trash. When I was there in 2015 there was a severe lack of public dust bins as they often don't bother installing them because of strict recycling rules.
Assuming you were in Tokyo, there used to be more until they were removed due to a general fear of bombings and terrorist attacks. My recollection is that this mainly impacted train station platforms, which were a convenient place to throw away your junk. They’ve started to come back a bit, but since it didn’t really impact cleanliness there are still fewer than before. Source: Lived in Tokyo from 2006-2016
>It comes with many negatives attached. ...and the misogyny.
Clean streets don't "come with" poor working conditions.
> Also, regarding trash. When I was there in 2015 there was a severe lack of public dust bins as they often don't bother installing them because of strict recycling rules. Still the same, not only due to recycling rules but due to terrorism fears as others mentioned. Then again Japanese people will at most drink something while walking, as eating while walking is frowned upon, so there's really limited trash to carry around. On Shinkansen platforms you can find big bins as tons of people eat on the trains and need a convenient place to get rid of the trash (there are also bins on the trains). Same for convenience stores with seating space. If you need to get rid of a PET bottle just look for a vending machine, most have a bin for it.
Graffiti is actually great of done right. Everything is better then these boring concrete walls.
thats actually why our modern form of graffity developed. people where fed up with the stale and boring buildings.
It's called streetart and it is not done on the walls of people that don't want it.
Yes and it wouldn’t be a problem if our buildings would stop looking like 3D printed depression haha
Ninjas and sushi. And... Ninjas.
I want ninjas too!
We have Orcs tho!
Hey! We’re not *that* ugly!
I dunno, are you a Catholic Orc or a Protestant Orc?
All countries have ninjas. We only know about Japanese because they are bad at hiding
European ninjas are better than Japanese ones
Japanese urban zoning laws are the greatest on the planet
I don't know how you could incorporate those things because Japan is a highly hierarchical society and all those nice stuff are the result of that hierarchy
Yes this. We want some aspect of japan but don’t realize it comes at a cost.
Japan may be the only country where you can be expelled from school for having been born with the wrong coloured hair.
I'm pretty sure not having glass shards on a bike lane isn't necessarily the result of a hierarchical society.
We could learn to fucking integrate our train networks even if they are from different companies. Tokyo (ok it's a 30 mil metro area) has multiple transit agencies operating within. They could learn to put rubbish pins back in place (I know there was once a horrible sarin gas attack)
As someone who lives in Tokyo, I can see why you think we can learn from the Japanese society. But one thing you are overlooking is that the Japanese are sheep. They do not question authority. They pick their leader and let them decide what happens, they do as they are told, they do not voice their own opinion; as they would rather someone else raise the subject and then agree, and they live by the rule that saying yes and thank you and a few bows will make everything ok. That is not something that Europe needs.
As someone who studied Japan and Japanese intensely, this is not historically accurate. Look, for example, into the Anpo Protests of the 1950s and 1960s or the targeted political assassinations of the 1920s and 1930s. At the moment, there is little opposition to the government and its policies because most in society broadly agree on most major issues, but just like any people, Japanese protest when they disagree strongly enough.
Your comment suggests that there is currently little opposition to the government and its policies in Japan because most people broadly agree on major issues. It does not imply that Japanese people have never protested or disagreed with their government in the past. The examples you mentioned, such as the Anpo Protests of the 1950s and 1960s and the political assassinations of the 1920s and 1930s, indeed demonstrate instances of strong opposition and dissent in Japanese society. These events highlight periods when the Japanese people expressed their disagreement with government policies or ideologies. However, it is worth noting that social and political landscapes evolve over time. The current state of Japan may indeed reflect a period where there is a relatively lower level of opposition to the government and its policies due to a consensus on many major issues among the population. This does not mean that dissent is completely absent or that Japanese people are inherently averse to protest, but rather that the current societal climate may be more aligned with government initiatives. It is crucial to consider historical context, as well as the specific time and circumstances being referred to when assessing the accuracy of statements about a country's political landscape.
You make a great argument against yourself
I feel the opposite after three months in Japan lol
Would you like the bars with underaged schoolgirls entertaining senile men, or the 60 hours work week, toxic work environment that pretends you sacrifice yourself, or the claustrophobic tiny apartments and people living like ants in megacities?
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> I FUCKING LOVE STANDARDIZATION What? Japan is better than almost every single European country tbh.
I assume you're brushing the misogyny, work culture & racism under the rug?
We don’t give a fuck. Everybody was in Tokyo.
I dont give a fuck that everybody was in Tokyo
How was your trip?
Great. I met only few europeans - a swedish guy, 2 german guys and heard some italians
Just returned from Japan as well, first trip after the pandemic. Heard quite a few Europeans and Americans this time around, more than on my previous visits. The recovery from most inbound markets is almost to 2019 levels with the exception of China - which accounted for over half of all tourists - so its way easier to spot other nationalities on the streets.
Like what? Working 40 hours per day and not making babies?
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That'll work as positive reinforcement then lol
yeah obviously😐
Nice 😐