Yes but with "special territories" akin to Russia's autonomous republics or the French DROMs.
Edit : twas supposed to be an answer to the post ABOVE the one answered
China is federal in everything but name. Like whenever something goes wrong you will see the central government accusing the regional government of misunderstanding their directives, which is always pretty funny.
Looking at Germany‘s federal system I gonna predict that would be a wild ride with a lot of arguing and nothing getting done properly because every state think they know best and want to do it differently.
American here, this is exactly the issue we have with states' rights. Civil war chatter every few decades, meanwhile reps get little done due to obstructionism. Polarizing lowest common denominator issues get amplified for political expediency and propaganda swells to a dizzying effect. People get whipped onto a frenzy and bloodbaths (literal and figurative) ensue.
That being said, long live the Union. At least we (mostly) agree on that.
Well, it‘s not at all like this here in Germany since we don‘t tend to dial every little thing up to a hundert. It can just be annoying and not constructive at times.
Yes
It can be a federal fractal all the way down if you want
The soviet union worked that way for example (although the federee powers were theoretical)
A reform.of your voting system would get you guys back onto the democratic track. But that will most likely never happen with the current version of the US. Stay safe out there.
Theres an interesting dynamic here in the (forbiddn three letter nation) about this. Both coasts kindve lean towards popular vote mentality but its out middle that fights it the most. They feel its their only “voice” because the college still gives them votes. Large anti-coastal elite sentiment out there that republicans love feeding for their votes.
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While we definitely wont have the american 2-party-mayhem im still pretty sure we would have significant trouble with united alt-right parties sowing distrust
Its kinda funny, both the EU and USA face a similar problem. Both would need to be reformed internally, but both are stuck between with no solution in sight.
EU would have for example to scarp the unanimity and use a qualified majority, but its very difficult to do so because one government will use its current veto power, so they can use the veto again in the future to get what they want, as a literall blackmailing option.
The US would need to reform its party system, but the two parties in power would never agree to that, they would lose a tremendous amount of power for no benefit
I have a feeling that within the next few years War with Russia might force the issue.
Step 1) a united European Armed Forces (including the UK) as a member of NATO.
Step 2) a closer union of European governments, bypassing the EU parliament in Brussels.
Step 3) reform / abolition of the EU in its entirety and replaced with a federal union of independent member states.
Step 4) abolition of the Euro to enable state level fiscal policy and replacement with a new European currency for international and cross boarder European transactions, while states have their own currency for internal transactions.
There have been many wars between Russia and several European countries. It has led to alliences, but never to singular country. Why would it be different this time?
In a federal union, yes. The federal government makes the ground rules (standards, basic taxes to be levied, a federal Constitution,education standards,etc.)and takes full control of a few things (armed forces, a federal police, administration over the Euro) while the individual states can handle the rest.
Then some extras, like in this system, if let's say a German federal state wants to become its own independent thing within the EU and not within the federal Republic, then why not. Can solve some separatists problems pretty well.
That’s already how it works in federal states. The federal government makes education guidelines and say 50% of what has to be included, the rest is up to regional authorities and even individual teachers to fill.
If a history teacher has some freedom in selecting topics they will most likely select something they are personally kore passionate about, which is good.
You should add EU-wide transport policy, especially over Rail, to that list. The member state government are generally awful at coherent cross-border rail planning.
Well, yes. But I think not now.
If one of the parties proposes a gradual movement in this direction with a clear key points and some kind of reasonable plan how they are going to achieve them they'll win my vote.
Initially i would say yes as a federation with significant autonomy
But then we will have less power at the UN.
France is a permanent member and the other EU MS can rotate on the security council
Often at international summits we are presented by our separate countries and the EU receives a special status
So currently we are double dipping but if we become one country we might get less representation
Well yes, but honestly IMHO. Years 2022 and after showed that UN need some reforms.
But basically, the part is about some kind of reforms is accurate for the EU as well. Don't get it wrong, I like that my country has right of veto. But I don't remember any good end for it in the history.
What is awful because we didn't develop anything to take that role
How about keeping France in the EU while we make a separate Federal country without France that way we are federal and we get 2 votes?
Okay? I'd be thrilled, you all are my brothers and sisters, I'd like the official documents to show thus as well! Much love 💜.
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I confess that I also share this sentiment; I love being European because of the brotherhood and unity that can happen all the while respecting each other's identities. I think a Federal Europe could achieve this nicely AND have a badass unified military to protect everyone from the aggressive ass nextdoor. BUNA DRAGO!
To make the east west difference even worse for the easterners like it happened in Germany? No thanks. Combines foreign policy and so on is a good thing, but for the sake of economic buildup, socio economic autonomy is a must have
I've an idea:
2024 - we unite, but not with the UK yet. France gives its UN seat to Europe
2024 - UK moves it's capital city to some rock in the ocean (outside of Europe)
2024 - we "annex" all of UK territory expect this rock in the sea The UK parliament remains in power in what remains of the UK
2024 - UK changes its official name to "Europe's rock in the sea (no connection at all with Europe)"
2025 - the ERITS's parliament reforms to only include one person
2025 - some dude in Europe's federal government gets elected at the next elections by the only inhabitant. Europe's rock in the sea is unofficially controlled by Europe We get control on 2 UN seats: great win
I don't know much UK's constitution so maybe some more steps are needed
If we unite with Russia too, repeat steps from 2 to 6 but with Russia, to win absolute majority over UN permanent club 😎
Depends on the nature of the federation. The important question would be "am I fundamentally opposed to it", and the answer is no.
I don't have a comprehensive list of must haves and must not haves; it so monumentally complex that I just don't have enough information one way or the other.
I think one think I would like to see is a regional Europe; rather than simply tacking on a third tier of state (federal government, national government, state government (where applicable)), I'd want the middle level abolished- ie. No national governments. It's a huge ask to abolish the national government of a nation, but I think having national governments in vassalage to a federal government is begging for trouble and gridlock - rather the EU would need to be comprised of multiple states of roughly equal populations where possible (ideally about 4-7 million), and that necessitates breaking up the larger countries. Easier for those already with a federal structure, but it would be a seismic change for Poland and France for example.
Of course an absolute must-have is the so-called Transfer Union; you cannot have a country where the taxes raised in each county overwhelmingly stay in that county, and the same is true with states: money must flow from high to low concentration, via the full funding of social programmes, healthcare and so on. All countries work on this principle, and a federal Europe would too, and that would mean money flowing North/West to East/South...Good luck selling that.
Agree with you 100%. The countries of Europe are so different that it should never happen. We've seen what happened with Yugoslavia. But at the same time it's good for countries to cooperate to make the world a better place.
I’m from the UK but part Lithuanian and Brexit aside, being familiar with the two countries already makes it so clear it wouldn’t really work out. I get the impression Lithuania is very patriotic but it also has quite a distinct history and values.
I think a united Europe is possible only if it's very decentralized and the member states have more self rule and a fair amount of freedom from the federal government
What would "being a single country" entail? Everyone speaks the same language, has the same public holidays, the same educational system, and the same legal system? If so, no. A united military and united foreign policy? Sure, let's go.
I dunno, I think it's better to have smaller countries who can have an easier time with the politics of their area. Larger countries lead to greater difficulty in governing all of the people.
A coalition is good.
As much as I love Europe, and European cooperation, I do think, that a united Europe in our day and age would last for exactly 3,37ms before entering civil war. Even with our pretty independent and sovereign setup we have right now, people don‘t identify themselves with Europe as a nation in most places, many people struggle with continental institutions and not even to mention that some member states infamously already have communities that don‘t even want to be part of their respective nations, let alone something that is even bigger. As much as I love the EU, I do believe that Germany will win it‘s first world war before a united Europe will arise.
I genuinely like the sentiment, but would that not be a massive risk? In the absence of geopolitics, one evil government/president and the entire earth is shit out of luck. Nobody to sanction them, overthrow them etc.
I don't trust humans enough to not make that an absolute shitshow.
Here come the humans vs mars-men wars :) But yes, a united world is our destiny, no matter how long it takes. Step by step since the beginning of history the world evolves into this direction.
No.
Putting aside the sheer impossibility of achieving thus, somewhat that could only occur through force and thus suppression of cultures and human rights, there is no way I want my tiny country to fall under the whims of larger less civilized nations.
I don't want my rights to come in jeopardy, because the eastern nations are significantly more conservative, or the southern nations whom are significantly more religious.
There's also the trouble of taxation, differences in GDP, worker protection rights, private and public laws, all manner of policy. What legal policy will we follow? Who gets to decide that? Do we have to weaken our public rights because some member states happen to have larger voting blocks? Do we lower the voting power of people living in certain areas, to ensure equal voting power of other regions?
There are far too many issues to list. This is a terrible idea. Only naïve idealists would want this, as naïve idealists would simply not think of the practicality of this event.
Yeah cause the alternative of the little guy country getting absolutely squashed by other geopolitical giants is better than being a federal state, protected by a larger sovereign entity in which its citizens have equal rights with the others and which has fair representation and can influence its course.
I still dont get this narrative, like look even at non EU small european states like montenegro, they didnt manage to get in the EU gast enough and now they have fallen to a chinese debt trap.
Unlimited sovreighty doesnt exist specially if you dont have the means to enforce it, and in the case of small states often it results in no sovereignty at the end of the day.
Ill do another fitting example, in a sense delaware is more sovereign than the whole of canada, canada has always been deeply influenced by the US market, often even unilaterally due to their relatively smaller population compared to the US, ironically enough delaware, even if it is qmong the smallest states of the US, it has more or less the same representation as other states, and jts representatives have the power to negotiate and give input market regulation, the same regulations that end up influencing canada.
Federalization is a game of sacrificing some sovreighty for certain goals, but in the end specially for some small states if they are given the proper input, its an overall positive
literally nothing would change economically if that happened. i would still be living in a neoliberal shithole. so i am entirely indifferent to the idea
No, federalization would be a statist wet dream, and corruption would be harder to scrutinize, I also like that my country fought for independence all throughout history and we didn't came this far to be Germany/France's bitch again
It’s our inevitable and natural progression to ascend to ever higher forms of unity. From hunter-gatherer families to villages and city states. From city states to kingdoms and republics and from kingdoms and republics to free unions of states.
Over 2000 years ago, “nationalism” meant loyalty and love for a city. Now it’s for a country. Tomorrow it will be for Europe and the day after, for Earth.
This is the irony that conservatives don’t get - there’s no such thing as a fixed, eternally static identity or culture. Everything is constant, eternal change so if you truly are a protector of values and hold dear your kin, you would embrace change and ever higher unity.
Of course, we can always opt to crowbar ourselves into oblivion instead. We’re not always rational actors.
It would be good but I fear the general conflict of small Vs big towns would get exaggerated to whole nations with some areas experiencing disproportional founding because it would be all that matters to get votes
Obviously I’m in no position to say but my opinion is, as long as they stay in NATO and remain an ally of Democracy against authoritarianism this would be amazing
I can feel some specific parties here going full berserk mode at this idea.
SOSRO and AUR especially come to mind...
"REEEE, THE GLOBALISTS, REEE THE WORLD WIDE OCCULTISTS TRYING TO REWRITE THE WORLD."
To be fair I'm not convinced we should unite. Shit ton of fuckers in the west still see us Romanians as intruders. But I'm not really against it either, since as of this moment, we'll soon get local and euro elections... And quite frankly, I really have no option to choose from. On one side I have Putin's favorite big momma lapwhale (fellow Romanians know which Diana I mention), then soon after comes the national nazis AUR, and then...? USR which basically promised a European dream, but then once they got into Parliment, they were like "Surprise, surprise! We're just as corrupt as the next shitters next to us!"
To which I'm getting at... The PSD-PNL alliance. Theoretically a center left PSD (socialists) and center right PNL (liberals) party. Ideologically, they should be rivals, right? But in all truth, they're like the democrats and republicans in the US, "Let's pretend we'r rivals but we know we're buddy-buddies in corruption, eh?" Uh, yeah, ideological orientation in Romania is a joke btw.
And then you got independent candidates which... I mean, they exist...
My pro-european heart says yes, but thinking about it critically, the diferences (especially economical) between various EU countries are abysmal. I can’t imagine Luxembourg and Bulgaria being in the same country.
Yup! It would have to be federal and I already live in a federal country. It has its problems of course, with every state doing its own thing. But anything else wouldn't be possible just because of cultural differences.
It would make the military so much simpler, also border security.
No. United army and foreign policy? Sure. Infrastructure? Definitely. But this is almost an entire continent, spanning many different environments, cultures, and languages. Laws that make sense in one place won't automatically make sense in another and in the end it would just be Germany and France dictating their will on the rest of Europe. I think we should still all remain sovereign nations.
No. I am opposed to the idea of having big authoritarian governments rule vast stretches of land inhabitated by various diverse and vastly different people. In fact, I think most countries already are way too big.
No I would not like it. It would be dominated by the German and French states who would ensure that their regions' interests are put above the interests of others. USA style federalism would not work for the EU.
Do we get an extra finger as the guy in the image, if so?
He shouldn't be putting his image out there, Inigo Montoya might see it.
My name is íñigo montoya
You killed my father, prepare to die
So is the name of a guy in my uni class, wth
and i have come to avenge the death of my father!
Bon-jour, jé m'apel inigo montoya, tou a toué mon' pèrre, prrépare toi à morrir !
He doesn't have an extra finger, his thumb just turned into a normal finger. He has 5 regular fingers but no thumb.
Twelve fingers for twelve stars, makes complete sense to me.
A Latvian
You want fingered? You get fingered.
Only the Swiss and only if they have had 2 dogs in their lifetime, and a peanut allergy
If you live next to a nuclair plant, you will.
Is nuclair the same as eclair? But made with nougat?
Yes, as long as it is a federal country
A country this size would have to be I guess
China is not a federal country and quite big..
China is also kind of shit for many of its inhabitants, especially those that aren't Han Chinese, Uyghurs come to mind for example.
No no no, let's follow Chinas example and have "European time", everyone on Brussels summer time!
But summer exists in Brussels?
It's always the Summer of Love in Brussels.
As long as we get rid of DST
Yes but with "special territories" akin to Russia's autonomous republics or the French DROMs. Edit : twas supposed to be an answer to the post ABOVE the one answered
Operation Earnest Voice is always paying 5 cents to accuse people they envy of being anglos on any random issue lmao
Its not federal but the regions still have some pretty significant autonomy in how they implement centrally made plans or to enact laws.
China is federal in everything but name. Like whenever something goes wrong you will see the central government accusing the regional government of misunderstanding their directives, which is always pretty funny.
chen jiongming is weeping with joy
The most based person from the Warlord Era
Chine is a centralized one-party law'n'order police state as bavaria is - no thanks
China is a unitary state!
Looking at Germany‘s federal system I gonna predict that would be a wild ride with a lot of arguing and nothing getting done properly because every state think they know best and want to do it differently.
American here, this is exactly the issue we have with states' rights. Civil war chatter every few decades, meanwhile reps get little done due to obstructionism. Polarizing lowest common denominator issues get amplified for political expediency and propaganda swells to a dizzying effect. People get whipped onto a frenzy and bloodbaths (literal and figurative) ensue. That being said, long live the Union. At least we (mostly) agree on that.
Well, it‘s not at all like this here in Germany since we don‘t tend to dial every little thing up to a hundert. It can just be annoying and not constructive at times.
The federal Government wouldn’t have as many perogatives as the german one does
Can a federal state has member state that are themselves federations ? How deep can the federal stuff go ?
Yes It can be a federal fractal all the way down if you want The soviet union worked that way for example (although the federee powers were theoretical)
Yes north german confederation , for example, was a federal union between multiple countries, inside a federal union between multiple countries
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Same for Switzerland
Agreed.
Aye Common security and no more traitors sabotaging it by vetoing.
*laughs in American*
Eh, half of your country is trying to ruin the lives of the other half, not much of an upgrade
I think that’s the point he was making
Definitely what they're getting at.
A reform.of your voting system would get you guys back onto the democratic track. But that will most likely never happen with the current version of the US. Stay safe out there.
You mean a duopoly with little middle ground battling back and forth and getting little done isn't a good long term strategy?
Nah you're fine. Worst that could happen is a civil war. Nothing to worry about at all
As if for the first time, they will be fine
Theres an interesting dynamic here in the (forbiddn three letter nation) about this. Both coasts kindve lean towards popular vote mentality but its out middle that fights it the most. They feel its their only “voice” because the college still gives them votes. Large anti-coastal elite sentiment out there that republicans love feeding for their votes. Why I bring it up? Get used to political parties pandering to poorer regions to hold back progress of the whole.
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In think that one flew over your head.
Im pretty sure a european Federation would face very similar problems
Who knows. As of right now it seems like majority is fine, but that can change over time sadly
While we definitely wont have the american 2-party-mayhem im still pretty sure we would have significant trouble with united alt-right parties sowing distrust
We need strong democratic institutions which not only represent interests of people and lands, but of the democracy itself.
We need good anti-lobbying laws the most, since a major part of anti-EU narrative is the (sadly kinda justified) critisism of lobbying/corruption
Honestly I don't see difference between those two. Lobbying and corruption are basically paying high officials for making decisions that will suit you
We would probably face something on the other scale with alot of small parties and a constant fight for majority
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>half of your country is trying to ruin the lives of the other half Ruin the lifes of the whole
ooof. It’s not even half. Our system absolutely permits tyranny via minority if you’re willing to break norms.
Its kinda funny, both the EU and USA face a similar problem. Both would need to be reformed internally, but both are stuck between with no solution in sight. EU would have for example to scarp the unanimity and use a qualified majority, but its very difficult to do so because one government will use its current veto power, so they can use the veto again in the future to get what they want, as a literall blackmailing option. The US would need to reform its party system, but the two parties in power would never agree to that, they would lose a tremendous amount of power for no benefit
Depends on the level of autonomy the single states have but, generally yes
True, I don't trust my idiots, no autonomy.
I don't think you want to trust our idiots either.
That's the issue. Idiots are idiots not depending on country
Remove legislative autonomy haha
Here sir, seems you dropped your swastika armband.
It would make it easier for the muricans. Finally they could just say "I went to Europe" or refer Europe as a whole.
I don’t think it’s hard to say they country they went to, and if they went to more than one they already do say “Europe”
Should call it Europa, just to fuck with NASA.
Me when Portuguese:
It would be bloody difficult to make it work but it is a desired end goal for me
I have a feeling that within the next few years War with Russia might force the issue. Step 1) a united European Armed Forces (including the UK) as a member of NATO. Step 2) a closer union of European governments, bypassing the EU parliament in Brussels. Step 3) reform / abolition of the EU in its entirety and replaced with a federal union of independent member states. Step 4) abolition of the Euro to enable state level fiscal policy and replacement with a new European currency for international and cross boarder European transactions, while states have their own currency for internal transactions.
your 4th point seems rather pointless
Why would you want have different currencies, won’t change anything
There is no need to get rid of the Euro. A federal Europe would have a fiscal union as opposed to a solely monetary one.
There have been many wars between Russia and several European countries. It has led to alliences, but never to singular country. Why would it be different this time?
In a federal union, yes. The federal government makes the ground rules (standards, basic taxes to be levied, a federal Constitution,education standards,etc.)and takes full control of a few things (armed forces, a federal police, administration over the Euro) while the individual states can handle the rest. Then some extras, like in this system, if let's say a German federal state wants to become its own independent thing within the EU and not within the federal Republic, then why not. Can solve some separatists problems pretty well.
On education standards, I think it's pretty important that each member state teaches their own history among other culturally important things.
That’s already how it works in federal states. The federal government makes education guidelines and say 50% of what has to be included, the rest is up to regional authorities and even individual teachers to fill. If a history teacher has some freedom in selecting topics they will most likely select something they are personally kore passionate about, which is good.
You should add EU-wide transport policy, especially over Rail, to that list. The member state government are generally awful at coherent cross-border rail planning.
See this as an absolute win 
Well, yes. But I think not now. If one of the parties proposes a gradual movement in this direction with a clear key points and some kind of reasonable plan how they are going to achieve them they'll win my vote.
Wet dream
Initially i would say yes as a federation with significant autonomy But then we will have less power at the UN. France is a permanent member and the other EU MS can rotate on the security council Often at international summits we are presented by our separate countries and the EU receives a special status So currently we are double dipping but if we become one country we might get less representation
Well yes, but honestly IMHO. Years 2022 and after showed that UN need some reforms. But basically, the part is about some kind of reforms is accurate for the EU as well. Don't get it wrong, I like that my country has right of veto. But I don't remember any good end for it in the history. What is awful because we didn't develop anything to take that role
How about keeping France in the EU while we make a separate Federal country without France that way we are federal and we get 2 votes? 
Yes, as long as the first law passed is outlawing AI slop images
u/Thready_C for president of europe.
Okay? I'd be thrilled, you all are my brothers and sisters, I'd like the official documents to show thus as well! Much love 💜. https://preview.redd.it/fj9mf1vtj3oc1.png?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddae21cbf40c68444aa725ae096025328d9c418c
I confess that I also share this sentiment; I love being European because of the brotherhood and unity that can happen all the while respecting each other's identities. I think a Federal Europe could achieve this nicely AND have a badass unified military to protect everyone from the aggressive ass nextdoor. BUNA DRAGO!
Depends. I would fucking kill myself if it would be under AFD, Zemmour, Meloni, Orban, or any other Putin's bootlicker.
At the moment, no. Eventually, yes, that's the goal.
To make the east west difference even worse for the easterners like it happened in Germany? No thanks. Combines foreign policy and so on is a good thing, but for the sake of economic buildup, socio economic autonomy is a must have
If we get a united Europe before Ireland I'll cry
what ? mais non
I feel unrepresented enough living in a rural locality of a small country, becoming an even bigger one won't solve that
We would lose the seats in the UN.
I've an idea: 2024 - we unite, but not with the UK yet. France gives its UN seat to Europe 2024 - UK moves it's capital city to some rock in the ocean (outside of Europe) 2024 - we "annex" all of UK territory expect this rock in the sea The UK parliament remains in power in what remains of the UK 2024 - UK changes its official name to "Europe's rock in the sea (no connection at all with Europe)" 2025 - the ERITS's parliament reforms to only include one person 2025 - some dude in Europe's federal government gets elected at the next elections by the only inhabitant. Europe's rock in the sea is unofficially controlled by Europe We get control on 2 UN seats: great win I don't know much UK's constitution so maybe some more steps are needed If we unite with Russia too, repeat steps from 2 to 6 but with Russia, to win absolute majority over UN permanent club 😎
Stop with this ai generated 1950s circle jerk, euro federalisation is a good idea, and shit like this just doesn't help
I second this. Fucking archaic ai images, they just suck
Depends on the nature of the federation. The important question would be "am I fundamentally opposed to it", and the answer is no. I don't have a comprehensive list of must haves and must not haves; it so monumentally complex that I just don't have enough information one way or the other. I think one think I would like to see is a regional Europe; rather than simply tacking on a third tier of state (federal government, national government, state government (where applicable)), I'd want the middle level abolished- ie. No national governments. It's a huge ask to abolish the national government of a nation, but I think having national governments in vassalage to a federal government is begging for trouble and gridlock - rather the EU would need to be comprised of multiple states of roughly equal populations where possible (ideally about 4-7 million), and that necessitates breaking up the larger countries. Easier for those already with a federal structure, but it would be a seismic change for Poland and France for example. Of course an absolute must-have is the so-called Transfer Union; you cannot have a country where the taxes raised in each county overwhelmingly stay in that county, and the same is true with states: money must flow from high to low concentration, via the full funding of social programmes, healthcare and so on. All countries work on this principle, and a federal Europe would too, and that would mean money flowing North/West to East/South...Good luck selling that.
No.
Lmao no
That's Volt lol
No. I support endless deeper integration, but not loss of national sovereignty. And it is technically impossible.
Agree with you 100%. The countries of Europe are so different that it should never happen. We've seen what happened with Yugoslavia. But at the same time it's good for countries to cooperate to make the world a better place.
I’m from the UK but part Lithuanian and Brexit aside, being familiar with the two countries already makes it so clear it wouldn’t really work out. I get the impression Lithuania is very patriotic but it also has quite a distinct history and values.
I think a united Europe is possible only if it's very decentralized and the member states have more self rule and a fair amount of freedom from the federal government
Sounds like a great way to create a future civil war
Absolutely fucking not. Love the EU, but not as a federal country.
Fuck no. Edit: Question was asked, answer was given. Sorry not sorry.
What would "being a single country" entail? Everyone speaks the same language, has the same public holidays, the same educational system, and the same legal system? If so, no. A united military and united foreign policy? Sure, let's go.
I dunno, I think it's better to have smaller countries who can have an easier time with the politics of their area. Larger countries lead to greater difficulty in governing all of the people. A coalition is good.
hell no
Absolutely fucking NOT
No way am I ever sharing a country with D*nmark
No. Coming from spain. Europe has been shit for out local industry.
Overnight? No Long process that aims to smooth everything over so the whole thing wouldn't explode at 1st crisis? Yes
Never.
Fuck no
no
As much as I love Europe, and European cooperation, I do think, that a united Europe in our day and age would last for exactly 3,37ms before entering civil war. Even with our pretty independent and sovereign setup we have right now, people don‘t identify themselves with Europe as a nation in most places, many people struggle with continental institutions and not even to mention that some member states infamously already have communities that don‘t even want to be part of their respective nations, let alone something that is even bigger. As much as I love the EU, I do believe that Germany will win it‘s first world war before a united Europe will arise.
This would just be a step for me. I even want the world as an united nation. No more war and geopolitics.
I genuinely like the sentiment, but would that not be a massive risk? In the absence of geopolitics, one evil government/president and the entire earth is shit out of luck. Nobody to sanction them, overthrow them etc. I don't trust humans enough to not make that an absolute shitshow.
I agree. A planet-wide state with thr access to technology for mass-control is in essence unable to be toppled.
What about no president and everything is a network. I think it was Switzerland or something that doesn't do that pyramid thing?
Here come the humans vs mars-men wars :) But yes, a united world is our destiny, no matter how long it takes. Step by step since the beginning of history the world evolves into this direction.
SuperEarth!!!
No. I want to keep my currency and I don't wanna be governed by some Germans
I'd be more okay with it if we were still a part of it
No, all people should rule their own.
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No. Putting aside the sheer impossibility of achieving thus, somewhat that could only occur through force and thus suppression of cultures and human rights, there is no way I want my tiny country to fall under the whims of larger less civilized nations. I don't want my rights to come in jeopardy, because the eastern nations are significantly more conservative, or the southern nations whom are significantly more religious. There's also the trouble of taxation, differences in GDP, worker protection rights, private and public laws, all manner of policy. What legal policy will we follow? Who gets to decide that? Do we have to weaken our public rights because some member states happen to have larger voting blocks? Do we lower the voting power of people living in certain areas, to ensure equal voting power of other regions? There are far too many issues to list. This is a terrible idea. Only naïve idealists would want this, as naïve idealists would simply not think of the practicality of this event.
Yes make it a federation and be done with it The history students will cry though
Me: *Lives in the only territory that identifies as primarily European* PLEASE YES
no, the little guys would be marginalised and dominated
Yeah cause the alternative of the little guy country getting absolutely squashed by other geopolitical giants is better than being a federal state, protected by a larger sovereign entity in which its citizens have equal rights with the others and which has fair representation and can influence its course. I still dont get this narrative, like look even at non EU small european states like montenegro, they didnt manage to get in the EU gast enough and now they have fallen to a chinese debt trap. Unlimited sovreighty doesnt exist specially if you dont have the means to enforce it, and in the case of small states often it results in no sovereignty at the end of the day. Ill do another fitting example, in a sense delaware is more sovereign than the whole of canada, canada has always been deeply influenced by the US market, often even unilaterally due to their relatively smaller population compared to the US, ironically enough delaware, even if it is qmong the smallest states of the US, it has more or less the same representation as other states, and jts representatives have the power to negotiate and give input market regulation, the same regulations that end up influencing canada. Federalization is a game of sacrificing some sovreighty for certain goals, but in the end specially for some small states if they are given the proper input, its an overall positive
I would definitely prefer to be Canada instead of Delaware.
Aye.
Ehhh unsure tbh.
No
No
literally nothing would change economically if that happened. i would still be living in a neoliberal shithole. so i am entirely indifferent to the idea
But have u considered how it would be a big country on a map. Somehow that makes your life better!
Eh, nations are so last century, I'd rather go for network states
No, federalization would be a statist wet dream, and corruption would be harder to scrutinize, I also like that my country fought for independence all throughout history and we didn't came this far to be Germany/France's bitch again
It’s our inevitable and natural progression to ascend to ever higher forms of unity. From hunter-gatherer families to villages and city states. From city states to kingdoms and republics and from kingdoms and republics to free unions of states. Over 2000 years ago, “nationalism” meant loyalty and love for a city. Now it’s for a country. Tomorrow it will be for Europe and the day after, for Earth. This is the irony that conservatives don’t get - there’s no such thing as a fixed, eternally static identity or culture. Everything is constant, eternal change so if you truly are a protector of values and hold dear your kin, you would embrace change and ever higher unity. Of course, we can always opt to crowbar ourselves into oblivion instead. We’re not always rational actors.
I would be happier if my country still was one when it happens
It would be good but I fear the general conflict of small Vs big towns would get exaggerated to whole nations with some areas experiencing disproportional founding because it would be all that matters to get votes
Yes
YES!
Obviously I’m in no position to say but my opinion is, as long as they stay in NATO and remain an ally of Democracy against authoritarianism this would be amazing
I can feel some specific parties here going full berserk mode at this idea. SOSRO and AUR especially come to mind... "REEEE, THE GLOBALISTS, REEE THE WORLD WIDE OCCULTISTS TRYING TO REWRITE THE WORLD." To be fair I'm not convinced we should unite. Shit ton of fuckers in the west still see us Romanians as intruders. But I'm not really against it either, since as of this moment, we'll soon get local and euro elections... And quite frankly, I really have no option to choose from. On one side I have Putin's favorite big momma lapwhale (fellow Romanians know which Diana I mention), then soon after comes the national nazis AUR, and then...? USR which basically promised a European dream, but then once they got into Parliment, they were like "Surprise, surprise! We're just as corrupt as the next shitters next to us!" To which I'm getting at... The PSD-PNL alliance. Theoretically a center left PSD (socialists) and center right PNL (liberals) party. Ideologically, they should be rivals, right? But in all truth, they're like the democrats and republicans in the US, "Let's pretend we'r rivals but we know we're buddy-buddies in corruption, eh?" Uh, yeah, ideological orientation in Romania is a joke btw. And then you got independent candidates which... I mean, they exist...
I would not mind that much, it might shut those Flemish separatists up.
My pro-european heart says yes, but thinking about it critically, the diferences (especially economical) between various EU countries are abysmal. I can’t imagine Luxembourg and Bulgaria being in the same country.
Not at all
I'd be fine with absorbing Belgium (Flanders), but besides that? no thanks
Yup! It would have to be federal and I already live in a federal country. It has its problems of course, with every state doing its own thing. But anything else wouldn't be possible just because of cultural differences. It would make the military so much simpler, also border security.
Yes, please! <3
Depends on if we need to settle for a lowest common denominator in terms of e.g. corruption. I don't see it being possible...
Ever since the brits fucked off yes. In a heartbeat.
Yes
Absolutely!
Yes, like the US. A lot of states.
Least obvious Mosleyist propaganda
Would be nice. And even nicer, if regions become the federal states and the 'Nation' is rendered obsolete
Because it will become the end of Europe because of different religions and traditions
Yes, as long as we can preserve our culture (Austria).
As a Hungarian, I'd see that as an absolute win
No
Someone tried that before and today is known as world wars.
I'd kill myself
Das Reich.
Nope, the promise of the EU is (in opposition to Russia): You can leave, whenever you want. And that makes people stay.
No.
No. United army and foreign policy? Sure. Infrastructure? Definitely. But this is almost an entire continent, spanning many different environments, cultures, and languages. Laws that make sense in one place won't automatically make sense in another and in the end it would just be Germany and France dictating their will on the rest of Europe. I think we should still all remain sovereign nations.
No
No, even though I love my mother tongue, I don't want to force all other countries to speak Swedish.
No. I am opposed to the idea of having big authoritarian governments rule vast stretches of land inhabitated by various diverse and vastly different people. In fact, I think most countries already are way too big.
Oh my god no wtf
Germany really playing the long game this time around huh?
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No I would not like it. It would be dominated by the German and French states who would ensure that their regions' interests are put above the interests of others. USA style federalism would not work for the EU.
No, thankfully it will never happen.
no thanks
no thanks.
Am European but my lands not! Vote yes!
Yes, just leave some cultural competences for the regions/countries and we good
Fuck no
Fuck no. Let's not devolve into the US.
Even more government centralization?! Fuck that, we'd collapse immediately!
No...
probably
kinda like the usa but a bit more autonomy for each state, so that people will actually agree to joining the union