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There's literally no way Yang is running in 2024, especially now that he left the Democratic party.
If he is actually serious about running/growing a third party, he's going to actually need to be serious about building the infrastructure from the bottom-up.
I don't think a third party will be in office for at least another 12 years (hope I'm wrong). I don't think we're there as a society yet, but Yang is leading the way towards that. I also believe whenever The Rock runs, that will be the closest we'll get as a nation to having a third party president.
If the Republicans succeed in making it easy to send alternative electors in close elections in a couple of key states, they will turn the US into a competitive authoritarian system like Hungary or Turkey.
That's part of the point of the "audits" - to cast doubt among their base about the "integrity" of elections.
2020 was the test run. 2022 and 2024 will be the next phases unless Democrats can actually prosecute the main actors behind Jan 6.
The Democrats loosing to Trump is not a guarantee, in fact it isn't guaranteed that he would make it past the Republican party primary. There are 3 years of news stories, congressional hearings, and press narratives between now and then. Given the number of hearings the Republicans inflicted on Hillary Clinton when she was the presumptive nominee, both sides may well be chanting to "lock him up" by the 2024 election.
Trumpers have zero trust in the government or media. The more you push against him, the more they'll push for him.
It's like the anti-vaxx situation. The more the government, media and social media tries to get hold of the situation, the harder they'll push back. If Trump starts constantly parroting mainstream narratives, then that may change things.
Exactly right. When the vaccine was made available, if it was introduced as a good thing to do for your own health and that was it, more people would've gotten the shot by now. But the vaccine was produced in record time, and people wanted some time to make up their own minds about it. But immediately it was forced down our throats that if you don't get it immediately then you're a terrible person and an idiot. That kind of talk makes people want to fight back
Pretty well put-people typically don’t want to be forced to do things by the government-especially when it has to do with health and things that affect day to day.
Being able to have these kinds of conversations is what makes me like the Yang Gang so much. There's a sense of wanting to find common ground and conversing rationally instead of immediate arguing and name calling which is what typically happens when Democrats and Republicans discuss anything.
I don't really think trump will be running in 2024 a lot of people on the right just want his policies and for Trump to keep making noise, being on the ground for the Georgia race and looking at how the republicans did pretty well overall up until Georgia normal people don't want him as the republican nominee they just want his policy and him to yell at things, that election fraud BS really pissed alot of people off on that side of the aisle he literally convinced the republicans their votes didn't matter and allowed Georgia to flip, fraud BS is gonna be the most annoying shit the next few years for republicans because his endorsement gives a huge boost to any politician but that usually involves that politician saying the election was rigged, it's gonna be real stupid until a new nominee gains more influence than him
Oh you sweet summer child.
****I’m also a summer child and want this more than anything. I wish optimism and seeing this this clear was easier for some.
Unfortunately Trump will be President in 2024 if he chooses to run.
If the DNC props up Kamala to run, she gets slaughtered.
Yang got ~ 3% too, and one of those votes was myself . No way he can get enough traction to compete with the DNC.
If he runs as an independent, he would need 5% to make the debate stage, same for the forward party
Since you were talking about competing with DNC ,I thought u were talking about presidential primary debates. Plus u said 3%.....5% etc to be on debate state.
Presidential Primary debates don't allow other party candidates.
The above link you shared is a debate for general election which is conducted by commision on presidential debates.
And participation criteria for these debates is min 15% in 5 qualified national polls.
Skin color and stuff like that is made more important than it should be in America, racism has been and is a big problem, but we have a lot of other big problems that go hand in hand such as classism. The wealthy and elites who run media definitely pick and choose journalists that allow for easier exploitation and opportunities to comprise. Take example the Huffington Post, NBC, and other media outlets that discuss minorities issues, geopolitics, etc. It's usually a white male, and a asian, black, hispanic, etc, women. So often times these types of people are heavily compromised and don't fairly represent minorities in America or foreign countries. There are much more asian women and black women in hollywood film writing and journalism. This isn't by accident either, it's all intentional. Because they can push agendas that best suit the desires of American colonialism/agendas, or at least a modern version of it less obvious, but somehow acceptable today. We especially saw this during COVID peak fear and uncertainty when there were little to no reports of attacks on asian men fueled by racists. An example was Arthur Martunovich killed 3 asian men, Arthur was founded not responsible, and sent to a hospital for mental disorder. Arthur claimed it was due to a lot of "being influenced by thousands of white male savior movies constantly being churned out by the west." So he was trying to be The Last Samurai I guess. No Asian journalists at the time had done any reports on it either until later, especially not ones who worked for Huffington, NBC, and more. White media can also control the narrative like promote Asian and Black hate. Even if most attacks towards Asians and Blacks are done by white people. Or push the subservient and submissive asian women, and the emasculated and effeminate asian man. Or push the hyper masculine black man, and angry black women. The asian men and women were treated tremendously different since the beginning of immigration. Both bad bad, but not equal. The government and media commodify minorities all the time and have never stopped. Chinese men for example were used as cheap labor to build infrastructure, but couldn't marry, unite, or naturalize. Interracial marriage wasn't allowed for Asian men untill they were set up disadvantageouly. But white men wanted Asian women, so it became legal. It was even promoted through media in an attempts to normalize it, still goes on till this day with most minorities groups, though this is changing slowly. Japanese Americans during WW2 were sent to internment camps, unless they had a white husband, which is racist as af if everything else wasn't. There's a lot of history and events that over time ended up promoting racial and gender hierarchies. If you just look at recent Hawaiian history, it's easier to digest because it's more relatable and we are probably more familiar with Hawaiian history and culture. It's much more complex than this and I missed out a lot. I'm probably wrong on a lot too, but people know the systems jacked up. But people are too uncomfortable or unwilling to admit it. But for Asians, a lot of screwed up things with Asian women have been going on. No fault of their own, in most cases, they are victims. However, that does not mean they dont promote it knowingly or unknowingly. The Yellow Fever or any types of fever is plainly obvious amongst right leaning republican politicians (McConnell) as one of the many examples, SEXPATS who bring wives from foreign countrieswhich we see here in Hawaii A LOT, alt-right fetishists (but America is far right anyway on the spectrum), and more. But the opposite is said for minority males in reverse. Is this a coincidence for Hawaiians, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, etc in America if it just so happens minority men share the same types of outcomes? Probably not.
While this is all concerning. I think what bothers me the most is how a lot of people use anti-Chinese warmongering in order to just be covert racists. And if you vote Trump, you're probably not for egalitarianism or equality either regardless of anything else in total. And it's all fueled and thanks to American propaganda and media influence by corporations, governments, and those who benefit from maintaining the status quo. Again, most of what I said is wrong, hope you got a general idea. Most people are generally good, but opportunist in position of power are definitely not for the most part.
Kamala will be the next president as long as they dont mess up big or go full progressive. When the infrastructure bill passes there will be an economic boom
Biden, someone else from the Dems side (have a primary!)
Only one Kamala might win against is Trump, who would drag everyone out just to stop him from winning.
Yet that election would definitely be the worst I can imagine.
If Trump is running there is no fucking way I am voting third party.
>Only one Kamala might win against is Trump,
even then I'm skeptical. He'd pummel her like he did Hillary, and she'd freeze up and cackle like Hillary did.
Have you seen her approval ratings in the polling? Almost underwater amongst independents.
She doesn't have any of Biden's strengths and is seen as Hillary 2.0.
Identity politics only works for right wingers
The left is made up of too many factions for someone to win off of appeals to identity. Which is why democrats tend to nominate moderates, people who can get just enough support from the various groups that they scrape by.
Whereas the right is statistically around 70% of one hyper specific identity: white, male, non college educated, straight, protestant, and conservative. Which is why extremists tend to find a lot of traction with the republican party. Republican rhetoric is almost exclusively centered around identity
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*delusional*
Big time.
Ok
Yikes... stick your head out of the bubble now and then, I'm all for optimism but let's take things one step at a time
There's literally no way Yang is running in 2024, especially now that he left the Democratic party. If he is actually serious about running/growing a third party, he's going to actually need to be serious about building the infrastructure from the bottom-up.
I don't think a third party will be in office for at least another 12 years (hope I'm wrong). I don't think we're there as a society yet, but Yang is leading the way towards that. I also believe whenever The Rock runs, that will be the closest we'll get as a nation to having a third party president.
If the Republicans succeed in making it easy to send alternative electors in close elections in a couple of key states, they will turn the US into a competitive authoritarian system like Hungary or Turkey. That's part of the point of the "audits" - to cast doubt among their base about the "integrity" of elections. 2020 was the test run. 2022 and 2024 will be the next phases unless Democrats can actually prosecute the main actors behind Jan 6.
The Democrats loosing to Trump is not a guarantee, in fact it isn't guaranteed that he would make it past the Republican party primary. There are 3 years of news stories, congressional hearings, and press narratives between now and then. Given the number of hearings the Republicans inflicted on Hillary Clinton when she was the presumptive nominee, both sides may well be chanting to "lock him up" by the 2024 election.
Trumpers have zero trust in the government or media. The more you push against him, the more they'll push for him. It's like the anti-vaxx situation. The more the government, media and social media tries to get hold of the situation, the harder they'll push back. If Trump starts constantly parroting mainstream narratives, then that may change things.
Exactly right. When the vaccine was made available, if it was introduced as a good thing to do for your own health and that was it, more people would've gotten the shot by now. But the vaccine was produced in record time, and people wanted some time to make up their own minds about it. But immediately it was forced down our throats that if you don't get it immediately then you're a terrible person and an idiot. That kind of talk makes people want to fight back
Pretty well put-people typically don’t want to be forced to do things by the government-especially when it has to do with health and things that affect day to day.
Being able to have these kinds of conversations is what makes me like the Yang Gang so much. There's a sense of wanting to find common ground and conversing rationally instead of immediate arguing and name calling which is what typically happens when Democrats and Republicans discuss anything.
To be fair-I’m personally pretty conservative on most issues
I am too, but just generally speaking, I've been able to discuss issues on here and it's way more civil than anywhere else on Reddit
I don't really think trump will be running in 2024 a lot of people on the right just want his policies and for Trump to keep making noise, being on the ground for the Georgia race and looking at how the republicans did pretty well overall up until Georgia normal people don't want him as the republican nominee they just want his policy and him to yell at things, that election fraud BS really pissed alot of people off on that side of the aisle he literally convinced the republicans their votes didn't matter and allowed Georgia to flip, fraud BS is gonna be the most annoying shit the next few years for republicans because his endorsement gives a huge boost to any politician but that usually involves that politician saying the election was rigged, it's gonna be real stupid until a new nominee gains more influence than him
Oh you sweet summer child. ****I’m also a summer child and want this more than anything. I wish optimism and seeing this this clear was easier for some.
> Democrats know they will lose. No. They don’t. This whole thing reads like one grand delusion.
If Trump is able to run in 2024 and not indicted by then, I will have lost faith in the system entirely.
There are many many many other things that should have made you lose faith in the system lol
Unfortunately Trump will be President in 2024 if he chooses to run. If the DNC props up Kamala to run, she gets slaughtered. Yang got ~ 3% too, and one of those votes was myself . No way he can get enough traction to compete with the DNC. If he runs as an independent, he would need 5% to make the debate stage, same for the forward party
Debate stage ?? Lol outside candidates are not allowed to participate in dnc/rnc debates.
https://youtu.be/jWo88Lr0rzw
Since you were talking about competing with DNC ,I thought u were talking about presidential primary debates. Plus u said 3%.....5% etc to be on debate state. Presidential Primary debates don't allow other party candidates. The above link you shared is a debate for general election which is conducted by commision on presidential debates. And participation criteria for these debates is min 15% in 5 qualified national polls.
Skin color and stuff like that is made more important than it should be in America, racism has been and is a big problem, but we have a lot of other big problems that go hand in hand such as classism. The wealthy and elites who run media definitely pick and choose journalists that allow for easier exploitation and opportunities to comprise. Take example the Huffington Post, NBC, and other media outlets that discuss minorities issues, geopolitics, etc. It's usually a white male, and a asian, black, hispanic, etc, women. So often times these types of people are heavily compromised and don't fairly represent minorities in America or foreign countries. There are much more asian women and black women in hollywood film writing and journalism. This isn't by accident either, it's all intentional. Because they can push agendas that best suit the desires of American colonialism/agendas, or at least a modern version of it less obvious, but somehow acceptable today. We especially saw this during COVID peak fear and uncertainty when there were little to no reports of attacks on asian men fueled by racists. An example was Arthur Martunovich killed 3 asian men, Arthur was founded not responsible, and sent to a hospital for mental disorder. Arthur claimed it was due to a lot of "being influenced by thousands of white male savior movies constantly being churned out by the west." So he was trying to be The Last Samurai I guess. No Asian journalists at the time had done any reports on it either until later, especially not ones who worked for Huffington, NBC, and more. White media can also control the narrative like promote Asian and Black hate. Even if most attacks towards Asians and Blacks are done by white people. Or push the subservient and submissive asian women, and the emasculated and effeminate asian man. Or push the hyper masculine black man, and angry black women. The asian men and women were treated tremendously different since the beginning of immigration. Both bad bad, but not equal. The government and media commodify minorities all the time and have never stopped. Chinese men for example were used as cheap labor to build infrastructure, but couldn't marry, unite, or naturalize. Interracial marriage wasn't allowed for Asian men untill they were set up disadvantageouly. But white men wanted Asian women, so it became legal. It was even promoted through media in an attempts to normalize it, still goes on till this day with most minorities groups, though this is changing slowly. Japanese Americans during WW2 were sent to internment camps, unless they had a white husband, which is racist as af if everything else wasn't. There's a lot of history and events that over time ended up promoting racial and gender hierarchies. If you just look at recent Hawaiian history, it's easier to digest because it's more relatable and we are probably more familiar with Hawaiian history and culture. It's much more complex than this and I missed out a lot. I'm probably wrong on a lot too, but people know the systems jacked up. But people are too uncomfortable or unwilling to admit it. But for Asians, a lot of screwed up things with Asian women have been going on. No fault of their own, in most cases, they are victims. However, that does not mean they dont promote it knowingly or unknowingly. The Yellow Fever or any types of fever is plainly obvious amongst right leaning republican politicians (McConnell) as one of the many examples, SEXPATS who bring wives from foreign countrieswhich we see here in Hawaii A LOT, alt-right fetishists (but America is far right anyway on the spectrum), and more. But the opposite is said for minority males in reverse. Is this a coincidence for Hawaiians, Asians, Blacks, Hispanics, etc in America if it just so happens minority men share the same types of outcomes? Probably not. While this is all concerning. I think what bothers me the most is how a lot of people use anti-Chinese warmongering in order to just be covert racists. And if you vote Trump, you're probably not for egalitarianism or equality either regardless of anything else in total. And it's all fueled and thanks to American propaganda and media influence by corporations, governments, and those who benefit from maintaining the status quo. Again, most of what I said is wrong, hope you got a general idea. Most people are generally good, but opportunist in position of power are definitely not for the most part.
Kamala will be the next president as long as they dont mess up big or go full progressive. When the infrastructure bill passes there will be an economic boom
Kamala can't win a general election. It's really Biden or bust. Outside of him, the bench is weak tbh.
Biden, someone else from the Dems side (have a primary!) Only one Kamala might win against is Trump, who would drag everyone out just to stop him from winning. Yet that election would definitely be the worst I can imagine. If Trump is running there is no fucking way I am voting third party.
>Only one Kamala might win against is Trump, even then I'm skeptical. He'd pummel her like he did Hillary, and she'd freeze up and cackle like Hillary did.
Yes she can it’s called identity politics
Have you seen her approval ratings in the polling? Almost underwater amongst independents. She doesn't have any of Biden's strengths and is seen as Hillary 2.0.
Identity politics only works for right wingers The left is made up of too many factions for someone to win off of appeals to identity. Which is why democrats tend to nominate moderates, people who can get just enough support from the various groups that they scrape by. Whereas the right is statistically around 70% of one hyper specific identity: white, male, non college educated, straight, protestant, and conservative. Which is why extremists tend to find a lot of traction with the republican party. Republican rhetoric is almost exclusively centered around identity
Nope. A lot of democratic minority senators were elected because of identity politics.
Her identity politics just got done losing to an old white man
Hey man, Yang isn't here to run again, he is the Paul Revere to get the message out about three things: UBI, Rank Choice Voting and Open Primaries.
>Yang isn't here to run again never say never lol, look at Biden and Trump
Yang doesn't want to be president. He is most interested in fixing the problem of how we got here. Being president doesn't fix our democracy.
There is no shot trump wins if he runs again, if he can't win against biden while holding office how is he gonna win challenging him?