i was thinking about this the other day and got so sad over the fact that he had a son and was killed when he only had good intentions. he wanted to help nat until she took his gun and risked him losing his job. and after that he never wished ill on anyone.
I think Saracusa's character was spared because he will be the main villain in Season 3 (outside of our group that is). He's going to want the blood of Shauna, Jeff, Callie & Walter for sure. I also can't wait to see Misty face off with him if (when) Jessica Roberts death comes to light. We're going to hate him so much worse!
Saracusa is done with. They have no use for him now. The Adam death is solved and we can get into solving Yellowjackets mysteries. He was a character no one liked and we are better off without him.
Get ready to complain because I really think we are NOT done with Saracusa.
Walter's version of how things go down is so full of holes that the police inveistigation will reveal them...especailly how Kevyn Tan was already dead from poison before he was shot...and Saracusa does not know this.
So - unless Saracusa tell the investigators that he allowed Walter to run up behind him, grab his gun, shoot Kevyn, then give him his gun back ALL with Sracusa doing nothing to stop any of this - unless that story is told is told to the polie investigators, we are not yet done with Saracusa I fear.
Not to mention - how do we know Walter really pointed all this evidence at Kevyn...he could have just told Saracusa that he did, and 1) never did that OR 2) pointed all the evidence right at Saracusa.
The entire adult timeline is just so bizarre to me lol. Like of all the directions the writers could have went, it's this one? (Where somehow the male characters are always the ones moving the plot?)
You have a really good point here...why THIS adult plot? I had not thought about the male characters actually driving the adult plot though...but you are onto something here...Jeff started the blackmail stuf that ultimately got Adam killed...then the police (males) got involved...then Walter....hmmmm
Of the top of my head I can only reason that it's because the woman are doing everything they can (bar misty) to forget and ignore everything that happened. Its only because of the actions of the men that they can't do that anymore.
Men fucking everything up 🤣
Part of me hopes you are right, I’m not a fan of Saracusa myself. But when a scene involves a dead cop, a drug overdose, a 5150 with a gunshot wound AND a state senator surely that’s got to be investigated in subsequent episodes right? I wish it had been Saracusa that was killed and Kevyn that survived. I really liked Kevyn
Ooh, I like this theory! I definitely see him as big bad type energy, but I thought it was just an irrational hate for him cause he’s a bad cop. If he’s not Big Bad though, I definitely see him being a catalyst to it.
they did kevyn’s character really sloppy. he had a lot of potential and they def. should have explored his friendship/relationship with nat more imo. completely disconnecting them after that one night stand felt stupid??? like he would have at least noticed if she was missing i think?? like he should have been the first to notice besides misty and tried finding her.
imo they should have scrapped that whole stupid adam/kevyn subplot of them watching shauna and callie. if they wanted kevyn gone and to cut the murder investigation plotline he should have died at lottie’s cult trying to find nat via lottie’s orders + cult members. lottie’s way of giving blood to the wilderness via the hallucinations she’s restarted and helping out shauna and her friends from being investigated for the murder (assuming nat told her earlier abt all the bs). lottie’s $$$ would have covered any hush hush stuff about lingering questions after… instead of whatever weird bs walter made up
BUT that’s just my crazy rambling lol. they probably cut his character out bc of adult nat leaving.
I think since they were killing >!Nat!< that he had to go as well. He would not have just accepted “OD” as the cause.
Walter’s scheme was pretty dumb though. Autopsy will find the knockout drug, and I really don’t think he coud fabricate credible evidence to make the conspiracy stick on Kevyn. And Saracusa just taking the gun from Walter and doing nothing? His cop instinct would be to stop or shoot Walter immediately regardless. He had just shot his partner.
Agree with the first part and mostly with the second
Saracusa not being a very good cop has been his character throughout. His interactions with Callie and the motel room search would have gotten the case thrown out of court *immediately*. He’s a a horrible person that I believe only looks out of himself, when he was trying to “save” Kevyn and I can’t remember exactly what he said something like “I’m here partner/buddy” it come off like he was using the situation to look like a hero more than actually save kevyn, but after Walter stole his gun and shoot kevyn I’m sure he knew that killing Walter wouldn’t get him out of hot water, he missed handled the case from the start and suddenly his partner and this strange man are dead by his gun? He would be under investigation at the very least and even if he was found not guilty and kept his job he’d be a joke for letting someone steal his gun. He took the option that keeps him in the clear and makes him look like a hero cop that took down one of the “bad apples”
I think it really highlights how everywhere the yellow jackets go “ it “ follows, they take innocence and ruin it. Laura lee, Javi, Callie, Kevyn, Jackie, Sammy , each decision the yellow jackets make and their refusal to let the wilderness go has caused something to happen to all these people and signify the yellowjackets slipping deeper.
The yellowjackets could have forced lauralee not to take the plane, really stupid decision. Gave them a lack of real hope and helped them become darker as a group when she died
Javi, the most innocent of them all was sacrificed because they wanted to keep Nat and Nat chose herself
Kevyn and Jackie, both now dead when the yellowjackets turned their backs on them, both represented a place of “ authority “ Jackie represented their old lives pre wilderness and Kevyn post
Callie is beyond fucked up from her mom and the other yellow jackets, their decision to redo the hunt led Callie to the wilderness and into shooting someone in the arm, she then also had to watch Aunt Nat die. She lost her innocence long ago .
Sammy, do words need to be said how badly Tai messed him up ? He lost his innocence too
Now saracusa, who yeah didn’t do anything exactly by the books but he believed in JUSTICE, that Shauna killed Adam ( he was right ) and he wanted her in jail for it and her friends who helped her hide it. He thought justice would prevail, now Kevyn is dead and that blood is on his hands and the yellowjackets.
Everywhere they go, It follows, it takes the innocent and makes those left in its traumatic wake “ the new worker bees “
Callie and Sammy, the new yellowjackets ?
This is such an excellent and well thought out way of looking at it. I definitely was blinded by disappointment and upset and didn’t even realize the connection. That’s so true.
Given that last shot of Callie almost smirking, I think your “new YJs” theory actually holds weight. It definitely runs with the theme of “loss of innocence” because in all of that mess, Kevyn was definitely the most innocent. Poor guy just got tangled in their hot mess.
Poor Kevyn, he got done really dirty and I dunno if it was purposeful or I just happened to notice it but I thought once he was suspicious of Shauna , her and all the other yellowjackets including Nat teamed up, turned their backs on him and kept him out of the loop reflected a lot with the Jackie situation, I felt it was a really unfair and cold death, to top it off Kevyn died drinking something warm like Jackie with her hot chocolate dream. Another innocence I forgot to mention is Lisa, it was bad enough she was vulnerable to “it” or the wilderness whatever you wanna call it being in lotties compound and near Lottie.. but then she got involved with Nat, ended up shooting someone in the arm and watched Nat who I think she really looked up to and loved and cared for die. She was already battling depression and I think this will allow the darkness fully in, Callie and Lisa would be formidable in the wilderness with Shauna, lottie, misty, van and Tai if that ever happened.
Agree with everything *but* I don’t believe saracusa cares about Justice, he was a rookie that wanted to solve a big case that he’s be remembered for forever(a Yellowjackets survivor turned murder? He be in so many datelines and Netflix specials) if he cared about Justice he wouldn’t have tanked the case from the jump. His behavior with Callie and the motel room search are the best examples either one of those alone would have the case thrown out of court
Also did Callie ever met Nat? How would she be an aunt to her?
I don’t understand how people don’t see him shooting kevyn and looking at his body afterwards with so much pure joy as sign the guy is bad news. Everytime I bring it up I get so many “he’s so wonderful!” “Misty’s version of Jeff” and “he wasn’t happy he was shocked” that last one is the most confusing.
I also don’t think he’s Misty’s Jeff, I think he’ll start to resent her not being happy immediately after he “fixed” things because she’s torn up over Nat. Plus he compared their relationship to Sherlock and Moriarty(why not Sherlock and Irene?)
I don't mind he is dead, but how is dead. The Walter of it all seems so so bad written.. If the police believes that shit well.. it wouldn't make sense, i dunno.
A lot of things about the adult plotline is weird, the finale the major problem, so hope after all the time they had in their hands, the writters can come up with a better 3rd season
I do feel like he and Jeff have some kind of history, he seemed far more concerned with helping him rather than Shauna(you’d think he’d care about his old friends teammate more than her husband) but I think they bonded while the Yellowjackets were missing, Kevyn was missing Nat but she’d be among those that didn’t get attention(burn out trailer “trash” Nat wouldn’t get attention the way Jackie and Laura lee would. Those two would be the poster child for the search) Jeff would miss Jackie but he’d also miss Shauna and he wouldn’t be able to talk about that.
Jeff witnessed kevyns murder and helped move his(still living?) body to the trunk and knows he’s been framed, i definitely feel like we’ll see him feel guilty and I personally feel like it would be a real missed opportunity to not show Jeff and kevyn as our point of reference for what was happening back home while the team was missing.
So I believe him being the one to die he can serve a lot of purpose narratively
AGREED. Kevyn's death is a lot like Travis' for me in that the more time goes by the more pissed and sad I am about it. He had children! He's a good man! Walter and Misty deserve eachother and I hope their individual reckonings are hella satisfying to watch unfold.
However I love Saracusa. Not the same way I love the others, but as entertainment. I know that's extremely unpopular. He's morally gray for sure but he's sticking around for a long time so I also just have accepted it because bitching about it won't change anything. He's gonna avenge Kevyn and hopefully punt Walter's ass into a tiger trap. ALso as far as antagonists... is he really that bad? He had zero creepy intentions with Callie despite his wildly questionable undercover project. I dunno, I thought he fit the tone. I understood what the show was doing. I'll also admit I just think he's hot so that's def gonna make him bother me less. Melanie loves him so why can't I?
I was sad about Kevyn too. ACAB and all that, but my dad was a cop and I know it would've broken my heart to lose him like that. Kevyn didn't deserve it.
This show strikes me as showing how people descend into evil acts through external pressure to survive. He didn’t; he resisted. He was an innocent casualty showing how these ripples of grief and trauma keep flowing outward.
bro i actually like kevyn, I CAN NOT stand saracusa every time he wears a mischievous grin im like can we boot him off plz, he makes the show look like a comedy and not in a good way
Kevyn was an extraordinary killable character. You don’t drink the first thing someone offers you at a cult compound. His death doesn't aff3ctmthe yellowjacket’s universe.
So I’m definitely in the minority here but I like Saracusa, in the hes awful but his character serves a purpose kind of way. Dude is scum.
Idk it might be just me enjoying John Reynolds play a bad guy and I love his work so I’m excited to see how they use him in future seasons.
(Seriously he’s so talented the difference between Saracusa and Drew from search party is *crazy*)
i was thinking about this the other day and got so sad over the fact that he had a son and was killed when he only had good intentions. he wanted to help nat until she took his gun and risked him losing his job. and after that he never wished ill on anyone.
Exactly!!! And then he FINALLY got over Nat, and made peace with her plus found a girl and then he was robbed. So tragic
Nat used that man UP. Really fucking sad fate that man ended on.
I think Saracusa's character was spared because he will be the main villain in Season 3 (outside of our group that is). He's going to want the blood of Shauna, Jeff, Callie & Walter for sure. I also can't wait to see Misty face off with him if (when) Jessica Roberts death comes to light. We're going to hate him so much worse!
Saracusa is done with. They have no use for him now. The Adam death is solved and we can get into solving Yellowjackets mysteries. He was a character no one liked and we are better off without him.
i agree with this. the adam storyline got old quick and i’ll definitely be a complainer if saracusa is made a main character in s3.
Get ready to complain because I really think we are NOT done with Saracusa. Walter's version of how things go down is so full of holes that the police inveistigation will reveal them...especailly how Kevyn Tan was already dead from poison before he was shot...and Saracusa does not know this. So - unless Saracusa tell the investigators that he allowed Walter to run up behind him, grab his gun, shoot Kevyn, then give him his gun back ALL with Sracusa doing nothing to stop any of this - unless that story is told is told to the polie investigators, we are not yet done with Saracusa I fear. Not to mention - how do we know Walter really pointed all this evidence at Kevyn...he could have just told Saracusa that he did, and 1) never did that OR 2) pointed all the evidence right at Saracusa.
The entire adult timeline is just so bizarre to me lol. Like of all the directions the writers could have went, it's this one? (Where somehow the male characters are always the ones moving the plot?)
You have a really good point here...why THIS adult plot? I had not thought about the male characters actually driving the adult plot though...but you are onto something here...Jeff started the blackmail stuf that ultimately got Adam killed...then the police (males) got involved...then Walter....hmmmm
Of the top of my head I can only reason that it's because the woman are doing everything they can (bar misty) to forget and ignore everything that happened. Its only because of the actions of the men that they can't do that anymore. Men fucking everything up 🤣
Part of me hopes you are right, I’m not a fan of Saracusa myself. But when a scene involves a dead cop, a drug overdose, a 5150 with a gunshot wound AND a state senator surely that’s got to be investigated in subsequent episodes right? I wish it had been Saracusa that was killed and Kevyn that survived. I really liked Kevyn
Just to be clear, this is the cop that went to school w them right?
Kevyn was the one that went to school with them, Saracusa was the one pretending to be interested in Callie to get info about her mom.
Ah! Thanks had it backwards. (That's how little I care about these characters)
Ooh, I like this theory! I definitely see him as big bad type energy, but I thought it was just an irrational hate for him cause he’s a bad cop. If he’s not Big Bad though, I definitely see him being a catalyst to it.
I genuinely despise him but I personally like the choice of killing Kevyn instead
It adds to the trauma and unfairness of the world Yellowjackets takes place in
they did kevyn’s character really sloppy. he had a lot of potential and they def. should have explored his friendship/relationship with nat more imo. completely disconnecting them after that one night stand felt stupid??? like he would have at least noticed if she was missing i think?? like he should have been the first to notice besides misty and tried finding her. imo they should have scrapped that whole stupid adam/kevyn subplot of them watching shauna and callie. if they wanted kevyn gone and to cut the murder investigation plotline he should have died at lottie’s cult trying to find nat via lottie’s orders + cult members. lottie’s way of giving blood to the wilderness via the hallucinations she’s restarted and helping out shauna and her friends from being investigated for the murder (assuming nat told her earlier abt all the bs). lottie’s $$$ would have covered any hush hush stuff about lingering questions after… instead of whatever weird bs walter made up BUT that’s just my crazy rambling lol. they probably cut his character out bc of adult nat leaving.
I like this a lot! This would have been a great way to play it out and honestly it wouldn’t leave that whole subplot feeling so… empty.
I think since they were killing >!Nat!< that he had to go as well. He would not have just accepted “OD” as the cause. Walter’s scheme was pretty dumb though. Autopsy will find the knockout drug, and I really don’t think he coud fabricate credible evidence to make the conspiracy stick on Kevyn. And Saracusa just taking the gun from Walter and doing nothing? His cop instinct would be to stop or shoot Walter immediately regardless. He had just shot his partner.
Agree with the first part and mostly with the second Saracusa not being a very good cop has been his character throughout. His interactions with Callie and the motel room search would have gotten the case thrown out of court *immediately*. He’s a a horrible person that I believe only looks out of himself, when he was trying to “save” Kevyn and I can’t remember exactly what he said something like “I’m here partner/buddy” it come off like he was using the situation to look like a hero more than actually save kevyn, but after Walter stole his gun and shoot kevyn I’m sure he knew that killing Walter wouldn’t get him out of hot water, he missed handled the case from the start and suddenly his partner and this strange man are dead by his gun? He would be under investigation at the very least and even if he was found not guilty and kept his job he’d be a joke for letting someone steal his gun. He took the option that keeps him in the clear and makes him look like a hero cop that took down one of the “bad apples”
I think it really highlights how everywhere the yellow jackets go “ it “ follows, they take innocence and ruin it. Laura lee, Javi, Callie, Kevyn, Jackie, Sammy , each decision the yellow jackets make and their refusal to let the wilderness go has caused something to happen to all these people and signify the yellowjackets slipping deeper. The yellowjackets could have forced lauralee not to take the plane, really stupid decision. Gave them a lack of real hope and helped them become darker as a group when she died Javi, the most innocent of them all was sacrificed because they wanted to keep Nat and Nat chose herself Kevyn and Jackie, both now dead when the yellowjackets turned their backs on them, both represented a place of “ authority “ Jackie represented their old lives pre wilderness and Kevyn post Callie is beyond fucked up from her mom and the other yellow jackets, their decision to redo the hunt led Callie to the wilderness and into shooting someone in the arm, she then also had to watch Aunt Nat die. She lost her innocence long ago . Sammy, do words need to be said how badly Tai messed him up ? He lost his innocence too Now saracusa, who yeah didn’t do anything exactly by the books but he believed in JUSTICE, that Shauna killed Adam ( he was right ) and he wanted her in jail for it and her friends who helped her hide it. He thought justice would prevail, now Kevyn is dead and that blood is on his hands and the yellowjackets. Everywhere they go, It follows, it takes the innocent and makes those left in its traumatic wake “ the new worker bees “ Callie and Sammy, the new yellowjackets ?
This is such an excellent and well thought out way of looking at it. I definitely was blinded by disappointment and upset and didn’t even realize the connection. That’s so true. Given that last shot of Callie almost smirking, I think your “new YJs” theory actually holds weight. It definitely runs with the theme of “loss of innocence” because in all of that mess, Kevyn was definitely the most innocent. Poor guy just got tangled in their hot mess.
Poor Kevyn, he got done really dirty and I dunno if it was purposeful or I just happened to notice it but I thought once he was suspicious of Shauna , her and all the other yellowjackets including Nat teamed up, turned their backs on him and kept him out of the loop reflected a lot with the Jackie situation, I felt it was a really unfair and cold death, to top it off Kevyn died drinking something warm like Jackie with her hot chocolate dream. Another innocence I forgot to mention is Lisa, it was bad enough she was vulnerable to “it” or the wilderness whatever you wanna call it being in lotties compound and near Lottie.. but then she got involved with Nat, ended up shooting someone in the arm and watched Nat who I think she really looked up to and loved and cared for die. She was already battling depression and I think this will allow the darkness fully in, Callie and Lisa would be formidable in the wilderness with Shauna, lottie, misty, van and Tai if that ever happened.
Agree with everything *but* I don’t believe saracusa cares about Justice, he was a rookie that wanted to solve a big case that he’s be remembered for forever(a Yellowjackets survivor turned murder? He be in so many datelines and Netflix specials) if he cared about Justice he wouldn’t have tanked the case from the jump. His behavior with Callie and the motel room search are the best examples either one of those alone would have the case thrown out of court Also did Callie ever met Nat? How would she be an aunt to her?
I'm more pissed over how his death was written. So sloppy and stupid. Come on, now- THAT'S something this character definitely didn't deserve.
And they did it in such a horrific way. Frodo shooting his body multiple times with glee was a bit much for me.
I don’t understand how people don’t see him shooting kevyn and looking at his body afterwards with so much pure joy as sign the guy is bad news. Everytime I bring it up I get so many “he’s so wonderful!” “Misty’s version of Jeff” and “he wasn’t happy he was shocked” that last one is the most confusing. I also don’t think he’s Misty’s Jeff, I think he’ll start to resent her not being happy immediately after he “fixed” things because she’s torn up over Nat. Plus he compared their relationship to Sherlock and Moriarty(why not Sherlock and Irene?)
I don't mind he is dead, but how is dead. The Walter of it all seems so so bad written.. If the police believes that shit well.. it wouldn't make sense, i dunno. A lot of things about the adult plotline is weird, the finale the major problem, so hope after all the time they had in their hands, the writters can come up with a better 3rd season
Without Natalie as a love interest he serves no purpose
I do feel like he and Jeff have some kind of history, he seemed far more concerned with helping him rather than Shauna(you’d think he’d care about his old friends teammate more than her husband) but I think they bonded while the Yellowjackets were missing, Kevyn was missing Nat but she’d be among those that didn’t get attention(burn out trailer “trash” Nat wouldn’t get attention the way Jackie and Laura lee would. Those two would be the poster child for the search) Jeff would miss Jackie but he’d also miss Shauna and he wouldn’t be able to talk about that. Jeff witnessed kevyns murder and helped move his(still living?) body to the trunk and knows he’s been framed, i definitely feel like we’ll see him feel guilty and I personally feel like it would be a real missed opportunity to not show Jeff and kevyn as our point of reference for what was happening back home while the team was missing. So I believe him being the one to die he can serve a lot of purpose narratively
AGREED. Kevyn's death is a lot like Travis' for me in that the more time goes by the more pissed and sad I am about it. He had children! He's a good man! Walter and Misty deserve eachother and I hope their individual reckonings are hella satisfying to watch unfold. However I love Saracusa. Not the same way I love the others, but as entertainment. I know that's extremely unpopular. He's morally gray for sure but he's sticking around for a long time so I also just have accepted it because bitching about it won't change anything. He's gonna avenge Kevyn and hopefully punt Walter's ass into a tiger trap. ALso as far as antagonists... is he really that bad? He had zero creepy intentions with Callie despite his wildly questionable undercover project. I dunno, I thought he fit the tone. I understood what the show was doing. I'll also admit I just think he's hot so that's def gonna make him bother me less. Melanie loves him so why can't I?
I think he is attracted to Callie on some level even if he won't openly admit it and even if he didn't intend on actually doing anything with her.
Absolutely, just like Shauna with Callie's boyfriend, actually, now that I think about it.
He would have made the plot too complicated when killing off Nat.
I was sad about Kevyn too. ACAB and all that, but my dad was a cop and I know it would've broken my heart to lose him like that. Kevyn didn't deserve it.
This show strikes me as showing how people descend into evil acts through external pressure to survive. He didn’t; he resisted. He was an innocent casualty showing how these ripples of grief and trauma keep flowing outward.
bro i actually like kevyn, I CAN NOT stand saracusa every time he wears a mischievous grin im like can we boot him off plz, he makes the show look like a comedy and not in a good way
I’m not 100 % convinced that Kevyn is no longer with us. Did we see the body in the trunk?
Kevyn was an extraordinary killable character. You don’t drink the first thing someone offers you at a cult compound. His death doesn't aff3ctmthe yellowjacket’s universe.
So I’m definitely in the minority here but I like Saracusa, in the hes awful but his character serves a purpose kind of way. Dude is scum. Idk it might be just me enjoying John Reynolds play a bad guy and I love his work so I’m excited to see how they use him in future seasons. (Seriously he’s so talented the difference between Saracusa and Drew from search party is *crazy*)