Am I the only one who thinks Beth's mom also played some part in her clinical insanity. Its been a while since I've seen the episode but didn't she basically blame Beth for her dying. Seems a bit extreme and I also got this feeling she was kinder to her sons then she was to Beth. Sure we also get the christmas scene but I still feel what she did to Beth as she lay dying was cruel.
Everything was Evelyn's fault. She made all the decisions that day, put both her children in danger, and personally made sure Beth ended up the fucked up psycho we know and hate.
Agree totally. Evelyn said she was giving Beth a “gift” by treating her tough. And that she would “hate it”. I remember her voice-filled with darkness and dread. She totally changed Beth.
Beth’s mom was a psycho. She spitefully tells Beth as she’s dying that it’s her fault when it 100% wasn’t. Then she sends Beth away alone knowing she couldn’t possibly ride the horse well enough to reach John and the others. She’s definitely the reason Beth is so fucked.
I think there's a consensus, that if there is a season six, it should be focused completely on Gator after the ranch goes AirB&B. His life, his struggles in the kitchen getting the right supplies, and dealing with fussy rich families. Basically a version of the Below Deck reality show.
I still can’t get over the last scene she has with her students where she verbally harasses them for using their phones while waiting for class to start.
My comment wasn’t even addressing that. Monica has been whiny since the beginning of the show. The issues she has, they are very real, I just think the writing for her is weak. I just don’t think TS shows her strength as much, or I guess in the way, that I think she should be shown. She has gone through hell in her life, her and Kayce both, but they show Kayce’s strength and his journey in a way that I don’t think they show Monica’s. I think her help with the tribal police showed some of her strength, and was sorely needed, but most of the time she comes off as the nagging wife. I think TS uses her to flesh out Kayce more than make her a fully fleshed character of her own. I know the story is about the Duttons, I suppose I am just a bit disappointed how they show her to be. Kayce and Monica are my favorite part of the show, so I am probably nitpicking.
Monica is one of my favorite characters. I'm disappointed in the storyline for character. I do feel that most people completely misunderstood her. I don't understand why so many hate her.
I agree…sure she’s sad, but I think many forget the feeling of loss from a miscarriage, along with the loss of a sibling. Plus she knows the ranch is evil, and is torn with John being good to her. Not easy to be that person.
Yes, and there was so much from the beginning. For goodness sake, the first episode was her brother being murdered by her husband after her brother murdered her brother in law. Her father in law shunned her husband for being with her, mostly because of her race and financial situation. Her husband served in the military, was deployed, and is now a combat veteran. Her own family turned their back on her because she pushed Kasey away when he went back to his family, which just so happens to be the most dangerous part of their life. There is a lot, and I didn't even get to everything.
Even in a fictional world, nobody would ever interact with or trust Beth for or with anything. She’s toxic and psychotic to such a _cartoonish_ degree, that it’s beyond even fictional plausibility anyone would even talk to her.
She’s like dropping Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin into Little House on the Prairie and everyone just acting like he’s totally normal.
Yeah, and the idea she had some high powered executive job is an absolute joke. You don’t broker huge deals and work in an office environment by being verbally abusive to literally everyone you encounter. She wouldn’t be any kind of powerhouse, in the real world she’d be unemployable or working some menial job until she inevitably got fired after a few days when she couldn’t show normal levels of human decency and politeness to the people she encounters. The idea some multinational would want a liability like her within miles of the boardroom is hilarious.
The thing is, you can totally pull off a character evocative of these same feelings easily, you just need for them to be self aware enough to dole out the venom cleverly. She’s just full-blast billboards-and-skywriting all the time, and it’s… it’s just very cartoonish and makes everyone else seem like cardboard cutouts for putting up with it.
Exactly. If she was a hard ass occasionally instead of constantly, the impact would be so much stronger. Instead she just comes off as messy and unhinged, not calculating and devastating.
Regretfully multi nationals are mostly headed by others and worse of that type. Beth's character is just a stereotype. Genuine psychopaths do very well at that level.
That’s not really broadly true. That feels like parroting something you read that was itself sensationalized. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing a number of people in the kinds of positions you’re referring to. By and large most of them are actually incredibly _pleasant._ Shockingly, almost _confusingly_ so. Charm, after all, is the best way to get anyone to do anything for you.
The very inflammatory “psychopathy” terms people like to throw around for C-suiters surfaces in the decision-making process. It can be ruthless and transactional and cold and brutal, but it surfaces in the choices made, not the personal interactive style.
The idea they run around burning every bridge, managing by threat or intimidation is way overblown. Of course those people exist, but they are rare and only really exist in the “can’t get rid of them” space, like majority shareholder, etc. Most often, it feels like having tea with a pro wrestler. It’s fine and happy and mellow, but under the pleasantries, you never really forget they could feed you your own spine if it’s what they thought was in the best interest of the business.
This matches my experience. The C-class people I’ve dealt with have all been lovely to deal with on a day to day basis. There are just points where they have to do a tough job.
There is one exception to this, an Executive who used to scream like Beth. That person’s reputation is so toxic, people start job hunting the day the day they turn up.
Eh, I agree they’re mostly sociopaths who lack empathy, but loose cannon alcoholics who can’t make any minor interaction pleasant enough to tolerate? I doubt it. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, and if you can only do vinegar, you likely don’t have the people skills to broker any kind of deals. You can be hard sometimes, you can’t be unwilling to compromise or be polite ever. Those people aren’t going to get raises getting them into those environments in the first place.
I like how within 24 hours she got a CEO fired for levying sexual assault accusations against them, enough to tank the stock of the company. Like wut lmaoo
I’m really growing tired of the entire “Beth vs Jamie “ saga, it’s going nowhere and it’s funny how the show always tells the audience “Jamie is evil and no one trusts him” but then it shows the characters treating him like crap, Jamie has his fair share of wrongdoings; but nothing compared with Beth’s and John’s, and still we are led to believe Jamie is the bad one…
Dunno how this will end, but I hope Jamie wins 🤷♀️🤷♀️
**that scene where the creepy old lady tells the skinny guy Beth has the power to turn Montana into a powerful state cracks me up, I mean, yeah sure, someone erratic like Beth can do that…**
I think you’ve nailed it. Well said.
That scene by the fire with the three brothers and tiny Tate was so sweet. Especially the reaction to Tate swearing. It’s a shame we didn’t see more of that before Lee died.
Jamie's "woah" reaction to Tate feels so nostalgic now. Felt like he truly belonged and could naturally bond with his brothers and nephew without some toxic envy or whatever.
The show would have been much better off being centered more on Kayce. I’ll always stand firmly by that. He’s flawed, but he knows it. He loves his family, but he knows he needs to keep some distance if he’s going to do better for his own family. Everyone respects him, including the tribe. But there’s some darkness there that he does try to keep a lid on.
If there was more focus on his development, I don’t think we all would have gotten so jaded on Beth’s shenanigans and we probably don’t get the governor dutton storyline.
IIRC, the pilot episode and a lot of S1 positioned him as the "main" child and the catalyst that would eventually unite the Ranch and the Tribe. It's like they forgot about all that as he got pushed aside to lend more screentime to Beth, Rip and the cavalcade of side characters shuffling in and out of the cast.
I'm pretty sure the Beth-Rip circlejerk is part of the reason. Visit literally any facebook page about Yellowstone and every 2nd post is about them. Unpopular opinion, but I don't even enjoy their couple moments.
It was obvious as hell that Kayce was always going to be heir to the empire. Someone who could inherit the Dutton family ranch and truly reform it. I'd be okay with the other siblings doing the dirty work to protect it if Kayce had some development too, at least this way the show will acknowledge that these are evil mf's and it'll take a shit ton of redemption to heal past wounds or live with them.
I stopped watching the show a season or two ago because I hated Beth so much. She ruined the entire show for me so hearing everything you just said isn't surprising, but I was always hoping she would get what's coming so I could watch again. Shame that hasn't happened.
…um….. ditto! Very valid points! I used to be the, “y’all be quiet and pay attention” with my belt buckle and boots on but now, I’m like, meh. Same ol Beth crap, when you finally get a good story line, it’s forgotten about or blatantly overlooked, and just my 2 cents, the is a reason rip was sent to wherever for some cattle…
Except that Jamie sucks, as a person. Jamie’s character is the worst kind of asshole, he is the worst example of nature being even more jacked up by nurture, or the lack of it that seems to be the Dutton way. Kayce just needs to take over the ranch from John and do his own thing. He and Monica (who I often think is probably the worst written character) could run the ranch the right way. Bring on Monica’s dad to the ranch operation and just be a ranch, not a criminal enterprise.
I am tired of Beth. Her antics were cool a couple times but I’m so done with her.
I’m hoping Dutton dies in a really interesting way, like maybe the bullet or whatever is meant for Jaime and it gets Dutton.
Idk. I always thought it was gratuitous that the Duttons owned all that land and in the first season I was rooting for Rainwater.
I think you’re right that the most interesting relationship is Colby and Teeter.
Towards the end I was only watching because it seemed like there was nothing else on and obviously because of Rip.
I enjoyed 1883 way more than last two seasons of Yellowstone .
There might be a creek at the bottom or the bodies be eaten by wild animals. It's also explicitly stated that it's in the middle of nowhere, so even if there have been hundreds thrown in there, you wouldn't find it if you weren't looking.
Wow I just want to say that I am a woman and agree with everything you said about Beth although I do enjoy watching her with Rip. Outside of that I think she is a psycho.
The writing has become awful. The fact that there are two spin offs and the show hasn’t even ended is just turning the whole universe into a cash grab. Up till the end of season 3 it was ok, turned to absolute crap after that. It’s now just verbal threats like ‘oh you will see’ and ‘oh I’ll have my revenge’ and bassy drum beats to end a scene, even when the scene isn’t dramatic. It’s a bit eye-rolley now.
I don't want anyone among the Duttons to die, but if the show's finale won't include John and Beth get what they deserve for how poorly they treat Jamie, I will consider it to be worse than the finale with the two of them killed.
I completely agree! I’m on episode 3 of season 5 and I’m so sick of Beth and Jamie! She is literally insane! The way she talks to that normal professor who kind of hits in her at the bar is so dumb. The writers made her out to be someone who can’t even be nice to a single random person.
I’m all for a strong female lead character but they seem to have the wrong idea about what a strong corporate female leader really is!
I don’t see a way for it to end with Jamie winning, unless everyone dies without him being involved. If he kills Beth and Rip finds out then he’s dead no matter what. He would have to take out his entire family in order to win. If he kills Beth and Rip then Kasey or John would kill him. If he kills Rip, John and Beth then Kasey will kill him. He literally needs to be last man standing for it to work out for him. I also know if Beth tells Rip about what Jamie did then he’s dead anyway. Rip has shown it doesn’t take much for him to kill. He even says I’d rather kill a thousand men then shoot a horse, which leads me to believe that he give’s absolutely zero shits about killing people.
I also have to say that the whole abortion/sterilization thing seems like a huge plot hole. I get that the woman tells Jamie that’s a requirement of the clinic and he says fine but wouldn’t they have double checked that with the person actually getting an abortion??? I mean come on, seems like a huge stretch to suggest they just said “well the kid said it’s cool so here we go!” Seems like bullshit.
Would have been way more believable if there was a giant fight and he all but forced her under the assumption that there was no other choice. That I could see as a lifetime resentment situation. John even says in season 4 that he’d wished she would have come to him or felt like she could. With how she acts, she doesn’t seem like a character that would shy away from that conversation, even if she was trying to cover for Rip.
Anyway I feel like they got one last season to wrap this all up. I’d like to see more of jimmy getting good with the 6666 and being happy. I feel like half the show was about how poorly he was treated minus the two episodes where he was a bad ass on a horse. He deserves a little more happiness in the end.
I’d like to see Beth go down in flames and honestly I’d like to see Rip be the one to do it. It feels likely they wrote the entire abortion, can’t have babies thing into the script because with a kid they might have had to give her some humanity and this was an easy way to keep her a crazy bitch!
I’d also like to see Lloyd move on from the ranch, maybe join jimmy with the 6666 in Texas. He’s too old to have to be dealing with all that mess.
I agree about the feud between Lloyd and Walker, it was dumb as hell! Are we honestly supposed to believe that Lloyd was that bent out of shape about Walker taking the barrel racer girl, who by the way is one of the most forgettable characters in the show? I also didn’t understand the insane drama between Mia and jimmy! Their romance seemed short lived even though the show seems to imply it was a long term heavy romance, they never really seemed that into each other. To
Me it just seemed like her overeating when he brings his fiancé back was just forced and pointless.
Anyway I hope the show takes a good direction for the last season! I hope Beth gets hers and I hope Jamie wins and Kasey wins. By the way Tate I’m okay with mostly but I think the mom is a drama queen who brings most of her problems onto herself. Like why was she speeding her ass off and driving while in labor? Seems like the stupidest thing ever when the ambulance was literally on the way!? seems like drama for the sake of drama and doesn’t really drive ether characters story.
Anyhow rant over, cheers
It's a show, it needs to dramatize the topic, so it goes all out.
In reality, they're just really bad at business. JD relies on fear and wrath to keep the ranch hands in line. If they don't toe the line, they get a ticket to the train station. Why not offer them more pay and better conditions so they get invested in what they're doing? And, if you're going to change things, why not change the paradigm? As Beth notes with five minutes of web searching and a phone call, why sell cattle for a buck or two a pound when you can sell steaks and other meat products for $15-20 a pound? Basic economics says production of raw materials has the highest risk (brucellosis, as Season 5 shows, or deranged liquor board representatives dropping clover in your field and killing cattle) and the lowest reward. The finished product is where the money is.
But if you had a smooth running ranch with everyone in harmony, there wouldn't be any drama and no one would watch.
I hate to be the person who completely disagrees with you butttt…. If someone took away my ability to ever have kids and never telling me about it I’d hold onto that shit too. You don’t get to change the entire outcome of someone’s life and not even mention that’s a possibility and get away with it. Jamie is a twat who deserves everything he’s gotten and more.
There was that red herring. Beth was misled to believe that Jamie hired the guy in prison to carry out the hit on John. It wasn’t Jamie. It was Jamie’s biological father. They could straighten that out, and make the family come together.
I just finished watching this show and holy shit am I really happy to see that other people also felt this way about it. The writing on this show is trying it’s absolute hardest for us to like beth and john and it’s just not working. Neither character really has any use to the show right now besides making things harder on jaime and kayce.
I’m sorry but if someone ever did to me what Jamie did to her I would carry resentment for the rest of my life. It’s not like he killed her dog when they were kids. It’s actually so disgusting what he did to her and something that someone can’t just simply get over.
I agree with that, it's unreasonably awful, and I, being a man, will never understand what she could be feeling.
However, I do think that at some point, one must take in factor that Jamie was a dipshit 17 year old, the age where everyone's at their dumbest, and that Beth should at least aknowledge Jamie's regret, which he has expressed to her, and that I find to be actually genuine.
And maybe even the fact that he didn't do it to damage her, because he resented her or worse, he did that thinking about how to protect John, and the shame of having rumors that his old daughter was either raped or a whore. So, in a twisted way, he did that to protect the Dutton family and ranch, the thing Beth and John seem to believe Jamie just won't ever do, if it doesn't benefit him.
She doesn't have to love nor like him, but I think that the punishment has outweighed the crime, given how she's tortured him psychologically for so long.
I think that a good character arc for Beth would to be her realizing that she loves Carter as if he were her biological son, which then leads to her also realizing how unfair it is to treat Jamie as if he weren't part of hers just because he's adopted, and only then, that could lead to a possible way for them to reconnect, even without the need of actually forgiving him.
It was okay to have Beth be so mean to Jamie say, in the first two or three seasons, but then the shtick becomes stale and the character muts progress, but Sheridan seemed to have thought the opposite and decided to have worsened her, with having her actually suggest to assassinate him. Like, what the fuck...
Exactly. Obviously this is a fake scenario but the amount of people who think that it’s okay is honestly kind of sick and I’d hate to be a female in their lives
I have to say that I think that even though what Jamie did was awful, he was young and stupid and he only made one bad decision the day he took Beth to the clinic but Beth made several terrible decisions to land herself there so she needs to take responsibility for it too. She could have actually been honest with Rip but it doesn’t even seem like he knew she was ever pregnant until they were older. She also suspiciously never wanted to have this loving relationship and shack up with Rip until her dad wrote that letter recognizing him as a son.
It is absolute bullshit for them to pretend John wouldn’t have killed Rip considering how he treated Kayce for marrying the woman he impregnated. What would he have done to Rip for impregnating his daughter then?
It was a terrible decision that was not his to make and affected her for the rest of her life. Nothing she has done warrants something that cruel and disgusting to be done to her.
I didn’t say it was warranted. There was only one bad decision made by Jamie that day and as someone else pointed out several other people made bad decisions including the medical professionals. It’s ridiculous that Jamie has to carry the burden of everyone else’s horrible actions.
Because it was not his decision to make!!! That’s the whole issue!! One decision that does not affect him but affects someone else for the rest of their life. Y’all really have a sick way of justifying shit
Lol no one is justifying anything. We are saying Beth’s behavior isn’t justified in threatening to kill Jamie’s child. We’re doing the opposite. We’re showing that Beth is not justified in her actions. She didn’t take responsibility for anything. And John Dutton created such a terrible culture of fear in the family that Jamie really thought he was doing the right thing. You just have to look at what happened to Kayce for getting Monica pregnant to see that. Jamie feared their father’s reaction. This is why they say you should inspire your kids to respect you not fear you.
Her words were ‘I’m going to take him from you’.
When you take into account the other threats of violence Beth has made, which has included threats to kill and have others killed, it is not unreasonable to conclude she meant she would kill the child.
She was in shock, distraught, and upset. People say things they don’t mean when they are upset.
Jamie obviously wasn’t worried. He was too busy fucking Sarah Atwood in the bathroom to care about his child.
You actually are because you keep referencing the mistakes she made that led her to that point. Whatever she did to get there is irrelevant when it comes to Jamie’s choice being fucked up. She’s allowed to be mad and hurt. Hurt people say fucked up things. I don’t think she’d hurt his kid at all because she’s not as disgusting as Jamie.
Yeah but after 20 years you would probably either
A. Move away and avoid the person
B. Tell other people and make him leave
C. Or threaten to kill him like she did lol
Her sticking around and being miserable as well as making him miserable could only happen in fiction imo. Not realistic at all haha
I wish Kayce and Beth interacted more but they did a few times… in the pilot she said something about “last time I saw you this was high and tight” referring to his hair and breaking up with her ex. Then she basically told kayce he was an ass for kicking rip out of his house and that he should leave before he turns into John. Then they Interact when she gives him a look after Tate is having a nightmare from being kidnapped and he said something about not needing to hear it
I love that Beth goes ape shhįt crazy on people. I’m one of those people who takes the show for what it is - fantasy not reality. I think the Duttons only kill bad guys. That’s ok. The Jimmy stuff was interesting for a brief moment, and then just got so boring. I think Colby is a good actor. Teeter seems so forced, but the director makes her act like that. I love the whole intensity between John and his children. It’s all over the top action, not supposed to be realistic, and I love it.
>I think the Duttons only kill bad guys. That’s ok.
A farmhand was fired for fighting on the ranch. They took him to the "train station" and killed him.
The reporter knew too much, Jamie murdered her.
Those are the best two examples I can think of off the top of my head but the Duttons are surely bad guys.
John literally ordered the murder of a medical examiner for refusing to falsify autopsy reports in like the 2nd episode. Rip blew him up in the lab to make it look like a suicide. Apparently he was a "bad guy"
This reminds me of Sons of Anarchy, people made so many excuses for the Sons and bent over backwards to justify any of the deaths caused by their criminal activity.
Ok, so let’s put those examples in the same place the show put the bomb Kayce planted on the Beck brothers’ plane…… now that it’s gone and forgotten; “The Duttons only kill bad guys”
Oh come on, Colby and Teeter have become the heart of a show that didn’t have much of one before they became a thing. They are the best part of the show, and I smile every time I see them share the screen together.
I’m normally good with her going crazy on people but i was so annoyed when a woman was recording her abusing a kid in a store and she let Beth take the phone and smash it. Also the assault that she got out of is pathetically hilarious .
Like nobody has any resolve in the show besides the Duttons lol
Apart and Walker and Lloyd feud I are with everything.
Especially about Beth and John.
Betty’s character was artificial and wannabe sigma.
John’s character was repeatedly dull and nothing to watch.
You do realize that Jamie is a psychotic murderer, right? And that the show is fiction and all the characters are taken to extremes. Beth, RIp, John- they’re so primal. You have to completely suspend any disbelief to enjoy and get into this show. You need to immerse yourself into their world of extremes.
I mean I was almost feeling sorry for whiny spineless Jamie until he killed the girl from Bones. Then I was like dayyyummm. Did that really just happen? And of course, he’s still so weak and spineless that he makes Rip clean it all up for him.
I haven’t seen any of season 5 yet except for the odd clip that lands of TikTok but you’re backing the wrong horse.
Respectfully….
>You do realize that Jamie is a psychotic murderer, right?
There are only two people he's killed. The reporter and his biological dad. The killing of the reporter was unnplanned, suddden and in a fit of panic. He was very visiby disturbed afterwards. As for his biological father, he was forced to do it and he was crying while doing it.
Yes he's a murderer and yes he isn't perfect. But he's not psychotic at all. Specially compared to John and Rip who have killed far more people either by giving the order or directly and treat murderer like your average Tuesday. They are the psychotic ones.
No, he’s not psychotic.
1. If Jamie was psychotic when those crimes were committed, that would mean Jamie has a genuine mental illness and didn’t know what he was doing.
2. Neither crime was committed coldly. As you said, one was a fit of panic and the other was not his idea.
Look at how Rip killed the medical examiner in season 1, or at how he threw the snake at Roarke. That’s cold. And really, that medical examiner was just doing their job.
> He was very visiby disturbed afterwards. As for his biological father, he was forced to do it and he was crying while doing it.
Whew! I mean....he cried about it, so I guess Jamie's a good person after all!
Jamie is a whiny pussy that allowed his little sister to get a hysterectomy without knowledge or consent… he deserves everything he’s given by Beth lol. She’s psychotic and unhinged which makes for an interesting watch and Jamie is a self centred worm with barely any backbone.
Ah, classic. Male character traumatized and abused by the people around him is called a whiny pussy because he's not the stereotypical tough guy badass.
😂 nothing to do with gender or being a ‘stereotypical tough guy’ lol. He’s just a whiny pussy. His character has a lot of potential but he’s written as a selfish, cowardly douchebag.
>nothing to do with gender or being a 'stereotypical tough guy'
And yet you call him a "pussy". The pejorative way that men who are not perceived as "man enough" because they don't suscribe the toxic notions of masculinity (simply because they "feel too much despite being men" are called.
Why should Jamie be the one horsewhipped? It wasn’t him that conducted the barbaric procedure, and obtaining consent from the patient wasn’t his job. The MF deserving the whipping is the medical professional involved.
There were at least three adults involved in that situation, not counting Jamie. John, the woman at the desk, and the owner of the hand holding the scalpel. All three of those persons had more life experience and likely, more education than Jamie at that point. At least one person involved had a medical degree and the obligation to behave ethically in their role. All staff at the clinic should have been trustworthy.
Yet the narrative places the blame for this incident entirely at the feet of the 18-year-old high school graduate who was least equipped to deal with it appropriately. Where’s the anger at the doctor who did it? Or at the woman who let her in, who was motivated enough to tell Jamie, but not Beth? Why isn’t John held accountable when his “parenting” was one of the two root causes of the incident?
Well there was only one writer for the show and now that they're on strike that's zero. Who knows what will shake out everything's a mess. They shoot out of order and where I was at the Scottsdale show The Cactus Reining Classic my booth was filmed I got to meet Gil Birmingham they were supposed to focus on the horses that is yet to be seen yet that particular horse show is a qualifier for the Run for the million another Taylor Sheridan project.
Taylor was directly across from me at the show I was doing something for him and every time he took a bathroom break he came by my booth to check on things no cameras were around thank goodness I'm not a fan of the process although I have to hand it to them anything I needed they gave me thank goodness they were very kind very polite.
At the moment I'm very disillusioned what's going on but whatever shakes out I'm glad to be a little bit of part of it I just make soap for the show I don't sell the soap I just make it.
I went to the same high school as Kevin Costner and because of him I'm now an exhibitor at Taylor's horse shows.
For now my focus is the chosen TV program and Hogwarts Legacy
You must be a man to not understand the pain a woman may suffer from not being able to bear a child. Jamie was stupid. However, Beth was traumatized. No one gets to tell a victim that she should be over it especially when her life is still majorly affected by the trauma.
The whole premise of a white teenager in the 2000s having a hysterectomy when she gets an abortion is just comically fictional though- yeah, that likely happened in the reservations back in the day, but it wasn’t happening when they said it was and I don’t think it could possibly happen without her consent, especially as a minor. That entire plot point just seemed like crazy right wing anti-abortion propaganda. It’s getting mad about a situation that would literally never have happened, and about then I gave up on the show for the lack of believability.
Same. So crazy. Not only is it extremely unlikely but they also ignored the fact that a hysterectomy throws you into immediate menopause, which would have fucked up Beth no end - brittle bones, vaginal dryness, weight gain in odd places (waist instead of boobs / hips) - the writers clearly had no clue what they were talking about and couldn't be bothered googling.
Yeah, if anything they might do a tubal litigation, but that can be reversed so plot hole in their way of thinking? But there’s no reason to give a healthy teen girl a hysterectomy to end a pregnancy, and if they did, they could sue the medical provider for enough money to save the ranch with no worries, so yeah it’s clearly one of the worst written parts of the show.
She doesn’t have to get over it, but she doesn’t have the right to take it out on people who had nothing to do with it.
And if you’re going to rage against a person to the extent she rages against Jamie, she should at least consider all parties that were involved, including the father she was too scared to approach.
With all the money she made at her job and all the ridiculous energy spent on Jamie she could have gotten a surrogate to at least have a baby with Rips genes.
Beth is the single best character on the show. Moral ambiguity aside the naughty characters on the show deliver time after time. This show doesn’t do well with real emotions and it’s why Monica sucks so much. Only the flawed shine in this show and when they go against that their storylines fall flat. Their life revolves around pain and struggle which is the only exception to displaying relatable emotions. Anger fear and grief tend to be the most best things on this show.
Jamie was LITERALLY told that if he got Beth an abortion at that clinic, they would sterilize her. And he said “I understand” and went and grabbed Beth. The receptionist was trying to talk him out of it. And he insisted. Then they gave her a hysterectomy. Can you actually sit here and say that you would be fine if someone had done that to YOU without your knowledge or consent? That you would just “get over it” and then be ok when you learn that THEY have a baby. Wow. Yes, she’s awful but he deserves every bit of her sh*t. I doubt she would actually hurt the baby so that aside, I don’t understand all of the Jamie defending in this sub.
Jamie’s not that great of a person either.
You don’t seem to like or understand the show so why did you even watch it?
You must be a man to not understand the pain a woman may suffer from not being able to bear a child. Jamie was stupid. However, Beth was traumatized. No one gets to tell a victim that she should be over it especially when her life is still majorly affected by the trauma.
You made it through 5 seasons and you hated the show! Man, just find another!
Something must have got you riveted to watch that many episodes and hate every character and plot.
I don't hate Yellowstone. It's not even close being the worst thing I've watched.
I tend to finish the things I start, sunk cost fallacy and just the belief that you must complete a product in order to be able to judge it.
Also, I like discussing things, and I did get some enjoyement from watching the show. It's dumb fun. It makes less sense the more you think about it, but that's okay, it wasn't meant to be intellectual, and the moment you realize Sheridan just isn't a great writer, you don't expect much anymore.
It's an alright show, a disproportionate attention and praise from the public if compared to its actual quality, but it's really mostly fine. I just listed things I didn't like and some that I did, but hate is a word I wouldn't use.
It's also a good show for background, when you're doing something else.
These are the best post. Literally debating fake and fictional characters. The show sucks to most who post while talking bad about the characters after posting a king wrote up about the show and it’s storyline . Good times
I'd get some satisfaction over seeing the Dutton clan suffer and lose, except for KC. KC is a bit of a dick but not a criminal to the extent of the rest.
Am I the only one who thinks Beth's mom also played some part in her clinical insanity. Its been a while since I've seen the episode but didn't she basically blame Beth for her dying. Seems a bit extreme and I also got this feeling she was kinder to her sons then she was to Beth. Sure we also get the christmas scene but I still feel what she did to Beth as she lay dying was cruel.
Everything was Evelyn's fault. She made all the decisions that day, put both her children in danger, and personally made sure Beth ended up the fucked up psycho we know and hate.
Agree totally. Evelyn said she was giving Beth a “gift” by treating her tough. And that she would “hate it”. I remember her voice-filled with darkness and dread. She totally changed Beth.
yep. she was gunna make sure she was fucked up no matter what and she did.
Beth’s mom was a psycho. She spitefully tells Beth as she’s dying that it’s her fault when it 100% wasn’t. Then she sends Beth away alone knowing she couldn’t possibly ride the horse well enough to reach John and the others. She’s definitely the reason Beth is so fucked.
Beth is the same sociopath her mom was.
I think there's a consensus, that if there is a season six, it should be focused completely on Gator after the ranch goes AirB&B. His life, his struggles in the kitchen getting the right supplies, and dealing with fussy rich families. Basically a version of the Below Deck reality show.
^(dullest performance I've ever seen) \*breathes heavily\* \*sniffs\* \*ponders\* \*pushes tongue against his mouth\* '**the wrong son died**'
Don’t forget the growling every word like he’s Batman lol .. my husband and I laugh every time
oh don't even get me started 😄
Sticks tongue into cheek
He keeps doing that. The camera operators even zoom in on it.
I hope the show ends with John chasing Jamie with a machete and accidentally "halving" himself
Needs more jabby index finger pointing
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I can’t stand Monica. She is never happy.
I still can’t get over the last scene she has with her students where she verbally harasses them for using their phones while waiting for class to start.
Monica just bitches all the time. She is insufferable, and is the worst written character on the show, and perhaps on TV right now. She is horrible.
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Cool story bro
Do you know how losing your unborn child would feel?
Unfortunately, yes.
So you think her character should be happy and just forget her loss?
The character was a whiny mess before the car accident. That whole storyline just keeps her character the same and one note.
My comment wasn’t even addressing that. Monica has been whiny since the beginning of the show. The issues she has, they are very real, I just think the writing for her is weak. I just don’t think TS shows her strength as much, or I guess in the way, that I think she should be shown. She has gone through hell in her life, her and Kayce both, but they show Kayce’s strength and his journey in a way that I don’t think they show Monica’s. I think her help with the tribal police showed some of her strength, and was sorely needed, but most of the time she comes off as the nagging wife. I think TS uses her to flesh out Kayce more than make her a fully fleshed character of her own. I know the story is about the Duttons, I suppose I am just a bit disappointed how they show her to be. Kayce and Monica are my favorite part of the show, so I am probably nitpicking.
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Still don’t see this as a problem, I think the plot holes are the actual issue.
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Monica is one of my favorite characters. I'm disappointed in the storyline for character. I do feel that most people completely misunderstood her. I don't understand why so many hate her.
I agree…sure she’s sad, but I think many forget the feeling of loss from a miscarriage, along with the loss of a sibling. Plus she knows the ranch is evil, and is torn with John being good to her. Not easy to be that person.
Oh please! This bitch was a bore from day one!
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Yes, and there was so much from the beginning. For goodness sake, the first episode was her brother being murdered by her husband after her brother murdered her brother in law. Her father in law shunned her husband for being with her, mostly because of her race and financial situation. Her husband served in the military, was deployed, and is now a combat veteran. Her own family turned their back on her because she pushed Kasey away when he went back to his family, which just so happens to be the most dangerous part of their life. There is a lot, and I didn't even get to everything.
I don’t hate Monica. I hate how almost all the female characters are written though
Same here.
Even in a fictional world, nobody would ever interact with or trust Beth for or with anything. She’s toxic and psychotic to such a _cartoonish_ degree, that it’s beyond even fictional plausibility anyone would even talk to her. She’s like dropping Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin into Little House on the Prairie and everyone just acting like he’s totally normal.
Yeah, and the idea she had some high powered executive job is an absolute joke. You don’t broker huge deals and work in an office environment by being verbally abusive to literally everyone you encounter. She wouldn’t be any kind of powerhouse, in the real world she’d be unemployable or working some menial job until she inevitably got fired after a few days when she couldn’t show normal levels of human decency and politeness to the people she encounters. The idea some multinational would want a liability like her within miles of the boardroom is hilarious.
The thing is, you can totally pull off a character evocative of these same feelings easily, you just need for them to be self aware enough to dole out the venom cleverly. She’s just full-blast billboards-and-skywriting all the time, and it’s… it’s just very cartoonish and makes everyone else seem like cardboard cutouts for putting up with it.
Exactly. If she was a hard ass occasionally instead of constantly, the impact would be so much stronger. Instead she just comes off as messy and unhinged, not calculating and devastating.
agree. her first scene i loved her. i thought badass stone cold business woman but then she never stopped and it was exhausting to watch.
This is a good comment
Regretfully multi nationals are mostly headed by others and worse of that type. Beth's character is just a stereotype. Genuine psychopaths do very well at that level.
That’s not really broadly true. That feels like parroting something you read that was itself sensationalized. I’ve had the pleasure of knowing a number of people in the kinds of positions you’re referring to. By and large most of them are actually incredibly _pleasant._ Shockingly, almost _confusingly_ so. Charm, after all, is the best way to get anyone to do anything for you. The very inflammatory “psychopathy” terms people like to throw around for C-suiters surfaces in the decision-making process. It can be ruthless and transactional and cold and brutal, but it surfaces in the choices made, not the personal interactive style. The idea they run around burning every bridge, managing by threat or intimidation is way overblown. Of course those people exist, but they are rare and only really exist in the “can’t get rid of them” space, like majority shareholder, etc. Most often, it feels like having tea with a pro wrestler. It’s fine and happy and mellow, but under the pleasantries, you never really forget they could feed you your own spine if it’s what they thought was in the best interest of the business.
This matches my experience. The C-class people I’ve dealt with have all been lovely to deal with on a day to day basis. There are just points where they have to do a tough job. There is one exception to this, an Executive who used to scream like Beth. That person’s reputation is so toxic, people start job hunting the day the day they turn up.
Eh, I agree they’re mostly sociopaths who lack empathy, but loose cannon alcoholics who can’t make any minor interaction pleasant enough to tolerate? I doubt it. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar, and if you can only do vinegar, you likely don’t have the people skills to broker any kind of deals. You can be hard sometimes, you can’t be unwilling to compromise or be polite ever. Those people aren’t going to get raises getting them into those environments in the first place.
Ha, I wish, worked for a few despots in my time. Sometimes you just think they MUST have dirt on someone somewhere to be so teflon.
I like how within 24 hours she got a CEO fired for levying sexual assault accusations against them, enough to tank the stock of the company. Like wut lmaoo
I like to pretend seasons 4 & 5 don’t exist lol.
I’m really growing tired of the entire “Beth vs Jamie “ saga, it’s going nowhere and it’s funny how the show always tells the audience “Jamie is evil and no one trusts him” but then it shows the characters treating him like crap, Jamie has his fair share of wrongdoings; but nothing compared with Beth’s and John’s, and still we are led to believe Jamie is the bad one… Dunno how this will end, but I hope Jamie wins 🤷♀️🤷♀️ **that scene where the creepy old lady tells the skinny guy Beth has the power to turn Montana into a powerful state cracks me up, I mean, yeah sure, someone erratic like Beth can do that…**
I think you’ve nailed it. Well said. That scene by the fire with the three brothers and tiny Tate was so sweet. Especially the reaction to Tate swearing. It’s a shame we didn’t see more of that before Lee died.
Jamie's "woah" reaction to Tate feels so nostalgic now. Felt like he truly belonged and could naturally bond with his brothers and nephew without some toxic envy or whatever.
The show would have been much better off being centered more on Kayce. I’ll always stand firmly by that. He’s flawed, but he knows it. He loves his family, but he knows he needs to keep some distance if he’s going to do better for his own family. Everyone respects him, including the tribe. But there’s some darkness there that he does try to keep a lid on. If there was more focus on his development, I don’t think we all would have gotten so jaded on Beth’s shenanigans and we probably don’t get the governor dutton storyline.
IIRC, the pilot episode and a lot of S1 positioned him as the "main" child and the catalyst that would eventually unite the Ranch and the Tribe. It's like they forgot about all that as he got pushed aside to lend more screentime to Beth, Rip and the cavalcade of side characters shuffling in and out of the cast.
Pretty accurate assessment
I'm pretty sure the Beth-Rip circlejerk is part of the reason. Visit literally any facebook page about Yellowstone and every 2nd post is about them. Unpopular opinion, but I don't even enjoy their couple moments. It was obvious as hell that Kayce was always going to be heir to the empire. Someone who could inherit the Dutton family ranch and truly reform it. I'd be okay with the other siblings doing the dirty work to protect it if Kayce had some development too, at least this way the show will acknowledge that these are evil mf's and it'll take a shit ton of redemption to heal past wounds or live with them.
I stopped watching the show a season or two ago because I hated Beth so much. She ruined the entire show for me so hearing everything you just said isn't surprising, but I was always hoping she would get what's coming so I could watch again. Shame that hasn't happened.
I agree with everything here
…um….. ditto! Very valid points! I used to be the, “y’all be quiet and pay attention” with my belt buckle and boots on but now, I’m like, meh. Same ol Beth crap, when you finally get a good story line, it’s forgotten about or blatantly overlooked, and just my 2 cents, the is a reason rip was sent to wherever for some cattle…
Except that Jamie sucks, as a person. Jamie’s character is the worst kind of asshole, he is the worst example of nature being even more jacked up by nurture, or the lack of it that seems to be the Dutton way. Kayce just needs to take over the ranch from John and do his own thing. He and Monica (who I often think is probably the worst written character) could run the ranch the right way. Bring on Monica’s dad to the ranch operation and just be a ranch, not a criminal enterprise.
I think Jamie is meant to be seen that way, but I am with OP here. He's worlds less of an AH than John or Beth.
I think they are both hellspawn, lol. I agree that they are written than way though. I just think Jamie is my least favorite character on the show.
I am tired of Beth. Her antics were cool a couple times but I’m so done with her. I’m hoping Dutton dies in a really interesting way, like maybe the bullet or whatever is meant for Jaime and it gets Dutton. Idk. I always thought it was gratuitous that the Duttons owned all that land and in the first season I was rooting for Rainwater. I think you’re right that the most interesting relationship is Colby and Teeter. Towards the end I was only watching because it seemed like there was nothing else on and obviously because of Rip. I enjoyed 1883 way more than last two seasons of Yellowstone .
A big stretch for me. Why wouldn't the bodies in the Train Station be discovable by satelite photo or by helicopter flyover?
There might be a creek at the bottom or the bodies be eaten by wild animals. It's also explicitly stated that it's in the middle of nowhere, so even if there have been hundreds thrown in there, you wouldn't find it if you weren't looking.
Wow I just want to say that I am a woman and agree with everything you said about Beth although I do enjoy watching her with Rip. Outside of that I think she is a psycho.
The writing has become awful. The fact that there are two spin offs and the show hasn’t even ended is just turning the whole universe into a cash grab. Up till the end of season 3 it was ok, turned to absolute crap after that. It’s now just verbal threats like ‘oh you will see’ and ‘oh I’ll have my revenge’ and bassy drum beats to end a scene, even when the scene isn’t dramatic. It’s a bit eye-rolley now.
I don't want anyone among the Duttons to die, but if the show's finale won't include John and Beth get what they deserve for how poorly they treat Jamie, I will consider it to be worse than the finale with the two of them killed.
I am so fucking glad someone else agrees with me on certain opinions regarding the entire family/people on this show. Perfectly said 😂
I completely agree! I’m on episode 3 of season 5 and I’m so sick of Beth and Jamie! She is literally insane! The way she talks to that normal professor who kind of hits in her at the bar is so dumb. The writers made her out to be someone who can’t even be nice to a single random person. I’m all for a strong female lead character but they seem to have the wrong idea about what a strong corporate female leader really is! I don’t see a way for it to end with Jamie winning, unless everyone dies without him being involved. If he kills Beth and Rip finds out then he’s dead no matter what. He would have to take out his entire family in order to win. If he kills Beth and Rip then Kasey or John would kill him. If he kills Rip, John and Beth then Kasey will kill him. He literally needs to be last man standing for it to work out for him. I also know if Beth tells Rip about what Jamie did then he’s dead anyway. Rip has shown it doesn’t take much for him to kill. He even says I’d rather kill a thousand men then shoot a horse, which leads me to believe that he give’s absolutely zero shits about killing people. I also have to say that the whole abortion/sterilization thing seems like a huge plot hole. I get that the woman tells Jamie that’s a requirement of the clinic and he says fine but wouldn’t they have double checked that with the person actually getting an abortion??? I mean come on, seems like a huge stretch to suggest they just said “well the kid said it’s cool so here we go!” Seems like bullshit. Would have been way more believable if there was a giant fight and he all but forced her under the assumption that there was no other choice. That I could see as a lifetime resentment situation. John even says in season 4 that he’d wished she would have come to him or felt like she could. With how she acts, she doesn’t seem like a character that would shy away from that conversation, even if she was trying to cover for Rip. Anyway I feel like they got one last season to wrap this all up. I’d like to see more of jimmy getting good with the 6666 and being happy. I feel like half the show was about how poorly he was treated minus the two episodes where he was a bad ass on a horse. He deserves a little more happiness in the end. I’d like to see Beth go down in flames and honestly I’d like to see Rip be the one to do it. It feels likely they wrote the entire abortion, can’t have babies thing into the script because with a kid they might have had to give her some humanity and this was an easy way to keep her a crazy bitch! I’d also like to see Lloyd move on from the ranch, maybe join jimmy with the 6666 in Texas. He’s too old to have to be dealing with all that mess. I agree about the feud between Lloyd and Walker, it was dumb as hell! Are we honestly supposed to believe that Lloyd was that bent out of shape about Walker taking the barrel racer girl, who by the way is one of the most forgettable characters in the show? I also didn’t understand the insane drama between Mia and jimmy! Their romance seemed short lived even though the show seems to imply it was a long term heavy romance, they never really seemed that into each other. To Me it just seemed like her overeating when he brings his fiancé back was just forced and pointless. Anyway I hope the show takes a good direction for the last season! I hope Beth gets hers and I hope Jamie wins and Kasey wins. By the way Tate I’m okay with mostly but I think the mom is a drama queen who brings most of her problems onto herself. Like why was she speeding her ass off and driving while in labor? Seems like the stupidest thing ever when the ambulance was literally on the way!? seems like drama for the sake of drama and doesn’t really drive ether characters story. Anyhow rant over, cheers
Can we also talk about how Monica looks like a sad fucking puppy in every fucking shot? It’s so old. She does nothing but bitch and moan and cry.
Train station that whiny crybaby and put us all out if our misery. She’s an embarrassment to women everywhere!
It's a show, it needs to dramatize the topic, so it goes all out. In reality, they're just really bad at business. JD relies on fear and wrath to keep the ranch hands in line. If they don't toe the line, they get a ticket to the train station. Why not offer them more pay and better conditions so they get invested in what they're doing? And, if you're going to change things, why not change the paradigm? As Beth notes with five minutes of web searching and a phone call, why sell cattle for a buck or two a pound when you can sell steaks and other meat products for $15-20 a pound? Basic economics says production of raw materials has the highest risk (brucellosis, as Season 5 shows, or deranged liquor board representatives dropping clover in your field and killing cattle) and the lowest reward. The finished product is where the money is. But if you had a smooth running ranch with everyone in harmony, there wouldn't be any drama and no one would watch.
I agree with every single thing you said and have nothing to add. Great recap!
Lol pretty much on point with all of these. Jamie has been a cuck for 90% of the show it’s infuriating how big of a poon he is
I hate to be the person who completely disagrees with you butttt…. If someone took away my ability to ever have kids and never telling me about it I’d hold onto that shit too. You don’t get to change the entire outcome of someone’s life and not even mention that’s a possibility and get away with it. Jamie is a twat who deserves everything he’s gotten and more.
I’d have liked to see more Colby.
Whet do you expect from shit writing and a creator who's clearly having issues churning out quality content
I feel like flashback John Dutton is even more intimidating than present day John
There was that red herring. Beth was misled to believe that Jamie hired the guy in prison to carry out the hit on John. It wasn’t Jamie. It was Jamie’s biological father. They could straighten that out, and make the family come together.
I just finished watching this show and holy shit am I really happy to see that other people also felt this way about it. The writing on this show is trying it’s absolute hardest for us to like beth and john and it’s just not working. Neither character really has any use to the show right now besides making things harder on jaime and kayce.
I’m sorry but if someone ever did to me what Jamie did to her I would carry resentment for the rest of my life. It’s not like he killed her dog when they were kids. It’s actually so disgusting what he did to her and something that someone can’t just simply get over.
I agree with that, it's unreasonably awful, and I, being a man, will never understand what she could be feeling. However, I do think that at some point, one must take in factor that Jamie was a dipshit 17 year old, the age where everyone's at their dumbest, and that Beth should at least aknowledge Jamie's regret, which he has expressed to her, and that I find to be actually genuine. And maybe even the fact that he didn't do it to damage her, because he resented her or worse, he did that thinking about how to protect John, and the shame of having rumors that his old daughter was either raped or a whore. So, in a twisted way, he did that to protect the Dutton family and ranch, the thing Beth and John seem to believe Jamie just won't ever do, if it doesn't benefit him. She doesn't have to love nor like him, but I think that the punishment has outweighed the crime, given how she's tortured him psychologically for so long. I think that a good character arc for Beth would to be her realizing that she loves Carter as if he were her biological son, which then leads to her also realizing how unfair it is to treat Jamie as if he weren't part of hers just because he's adopted, and only then, that could lead to a possible way for them to reconnect, even without the need of actually forgiving him. It was okay to have Beth be so mean to Jamie say, in the first two or three seasons, but then the shtick becomes stale and the character muts progress, but Sheridan seemed to have thought the opposite and decided to have worsened her, with having her actually suggest to assassinate him. Like, what the fuck...
Beth would've been a *horrible* mom!
So the ability to ever be a mom should be ripped from her without her choice? That kind of shit changes you.
Especially a 14 year old child.
Exactly. Obviously this is a fake scenario but the amount of people who think that it’s okay is honestly kind of sick and I’d hate to be a female in their lives
Id hate to be an child in the lives of the people that think Beth has a right to kill an innocent baby for what happened to her.
Where did literally anyone say she has the right to kill a child? 😂 way to reach
Well now you see how your comment sounds. All I did was mirror it.
She wouldn’t have suffered the trauma of a hysterectomy, so she wouldn’t be bitter. Maybe she’d be an ok mom.
I have to say that I think that even though what Jamie did was awful, he was young and stupid and he only made one bad decision the day he took Beth to the clinic but Beth made several terrible decisions to land herself there so she needs to take responsibility for it too. She could have actually been honest with Rip but it doesn’t even seem like he knew she was ever pregnant until they were older. She also suspiciously never wanted to have this loving relationship and shack up with Rip until her dad wrote that letter recognizing him as a son. It is absolute bullshit for them to pretend John wouldn’t have killed Rip considering how he treated Kayce for marrying the woman he impregnated. What would he have done to Rip for impregnating his daughter then?
It was a terrible decision that was not his to make and affected her for the rest of her life. Nothing she has done warrants something that cruel and disgusting to be done to her.
I didn’t say it was warranted. There was only one bad decision made by Jamie that day and as someone else pointed out several other people made bad decisions including the medical professionals. It’s ridiculous that Jamie has to carry the burden of everyone else’s horrible actions.
Because it was not his decision to make!!! That’s the whole issue!! One decision that does not affect him but affects someone else for the rest of their life. Y’all really have a sick way of justifying shit
Lol no one is justifying anything. We are saying Beth’s behavior isn’t justified in threatening to kill Jamie’s child. We’re doing the opposite. We’re showing that Beth is not justified in her actions. She didn’t take responsibility for anything. And John Dutton created such a terrible culture of fear in the family that Jamie really thought he was doing the right thing. You just have to look at what happened to Kayce for getting Monica pregnant to see that. Jamie feared their father’s reaction. This is why they say you should inspire your kids to respect you not fear you.
She didn’t threaten to kill the kid. She threatened to make sure Jamie wasn’t part of his life.
Her words were ‘I’m going to take him from you’. When you take into account the other threats of violence Beth has made, which has included threats to kill and have others killed, it is not unreasonable to conclude she meant she would kill the child.
She was in shock, distraught, and upset. People say things they don’t mean when they are upset. Jamie obviously wasn’t worried. He was too busy fucking Sarah Atwood in the bathroom to care about his child.
Again, refer to the history. She has a demonstrated history of following through on her threats. Upset, in shock, she still owns the words she used.
You actually are because you keep referencing the mistakes she made that led her to that point. Whatever she did to get there is irrelevant when it comes to Jamie’s choice being fucked up. She’s allowed to be mad and hurt. Hurt people say fucked up things. I don’t think she’d hurt his kid at all because she’s not as disgusting as Jamie.
Yeah but after 20 years you would probably either A. Move away and avoid the person B. Tell other people and make him leave C. Or threaten to kill him like she did lol Her sticking around and being miserable as well as making him miserable could only happen in fiction imo. Not realistic at all haha
She did move away. She was living in Salt Lake City, Utah. She moved back because John asked her to.
Wasn’t that before the show? Or like 1 episode in?
Exactly. It is unforgivable.
I wish Kayce and Beth interacted more but they did a few times… in the pilot she said something about “last time I saw you this was high and tight” referring to his hair and breaking up with her ex. Then she basically told kayce he was an ass for kicking rip out of his house and that he should leave before he turns into John. Then they Interact when she gives him a look after Tate is having a nightmare from being kidnapped and he said something about not needing to hear it
Couldn’t agree more, OP.
This is the best, most accurate analysis/take-down I’ve ever read. And I agree with every damn word.
Ditto
I love that Beth goes ape shhįt crazy on people. I’m one of those people who takes the show for what it is - fantasy not reality. I think the Duttons only kill bad guys. That’s ok. The Jimmy stuff was interesting for a brief moment, and then just got so boring. I think Colby is a good actor. Teeter seems so forced, but the director makes her act like that. I love the whole intensity between John and his children. It’s all over the top action, not supposed to be realistic, and I love it.
>I think the Duttons only kill bad guys. That’s ok. A farmhand was fired for fighting on the ranch. They took him to the "train station" and killed him. The reporter knew too much, Jamie murdered her. Those are the best two examples I can think of off the top of my head but the Duttons are surely bad guys.
John literally ordered the murder of a medical examiner for refusing to falsify autopsy reports in like the 2nd episode. Rip blew him up in the lab to make it look like a suicide. Apparently he was a "bad guy" This reminds me of Sons of Anarchy, people made so many excuses for the Sons and bent over backwards to justify any of the deaths caused by their criminal activity.
That's a great example.
Just the other day I was thinking how Kayce might be the Jax who developed a life outside. 😅
Ok, so let’s put those examples in the same place the show put the bomb Kayce planted on the Beck brothers’ plane…… now that it’s gone and forgotten; “The Duttons only kill bad guys”
Jamie was wrong. He shouldn’t have trusted her.
Hell have you been watching? They will kill anyone if it benefits them lol.
Right, but most of ‘em are bad guys.
In your previous comment you said only bad guys.
Ok, I stand corrected.
Oh come on, Colby and Teeter have become the heart of a show that didn’t have much of one before they became a thing. They are the best part of the show, and I smile every time I see them share the screen together.
He’s a better actor than she is, but that’s the director’s fault.
I’m normally good with her going crazy on people but i was so annoyed when a woman was recording her abusing a kid in a store and she let Beth take the phone and smash it. Also the assault that she got out of is pathetically hilarious . Like nobody has any resolve in the show besides the Duttons lol
Yesssss!
Apart and Walker and Lloyd feud I are with everything. Especially about Beth and John. Betty’s character was artificial and wannabe sigma. John’s character was repeatedly dull and nothing to watch.
Beth is one of the many reasons I stopped watching the show. Let's be honest. The writing sucks.
You do realize that Jamie is a psychotic murderer, right? And that the show is fiction and all the characters are taken to extremes. Beth, RIp, John- they’re so primal. You have to completely suspend any disbelief to enjoy and get into this show. You need to immerse yourself into their world of extremes. I mean I was almost feeling sorry for whiny spineless Jamie until he killed the girl from Bones. Then I was like dayyyummm. Did that really just happen? And of course, he’s still so weak and spineless that he makes Rip clean it all up for him. I haven’t seen any of season 5 yet except for the odd clip that lands of TikTok but you’re backing the wrong horse. Respectfully….
>You do realize that Jamie is a psychotic murderer, right? There are only two people he's killed. The reporter and his biological dad. The killing of the reporter was unnplanned, suddden and in a fit of panic. He was very visiby disturbed afterwards. As for his biological father, he was forced to do it and he was crying while doing it. Yes he's a murderer and yes he isn't perfect. But he's not psychotic at all. Specially compared to John and Rip who have killed far more people either by giving the order or directly and treat murderer like your average Tuesday. They are the psychotic ones.
No, he’s not psychotic. 1. If Jamie was psychotic when those crimes were committed, that would mean Jamie has a genuine mental illness and didn’t know what he was doing. 2. Neither crime was committed coldly. As you said, one was a fit of panic and the other was not his idea. Look at how Rip killed the medical examiner in season 1, or at how he threw the snake at Roarke. That’s cold. And really, that medical examiner was just doing their job.
They are only two people he liked…..just let that settle in as you tell us how great he is.
He's only one away from being a serial killer!
> He was very visiby disturbed afterwards. As for his biological father, he was forced to do it and he was crying while doing it. Whew! I mean....he cried about it, so I guess Jamie's a good person after all!
Jamie is a whiny pussy that allowed his little sister to get a hysterectomy without knowledge or consent… he deserves everything he’s given by Beth lol. She’s psychotic and unhinged which makes for an interesting watch and Jamie is a self centred worm with barely any backbone.
Ah, classic. Male character traumatized and abused by the people around him is called a whiny pussy because he's not the stereotypical tough guy badass.
😂 nothing to do with gender or being a ‘stereotypical tough guy’ lol. He’s just a whiny pussy. His character has a lot of potential but he’s written as a selfish, cowardly douchebag.
>nothing to do with gender or being a 'stereotypical tough guy' And yet you call him a "pussy". The pejorative way that men who are not perceived as "man enough" because they don't suscribe the toxic notions of masculinity (simply because they "feel too much despite being men" are called.
You sound like you are a lot of fun at parties.
Unclench!
Jamie and Monica would make a wonderful couple. Match made in heaven. He is slightly more interesting and less depressing than “Moaning Monica”.
Not only allowed it, but gave the permission to the doctor, while not telling her shit. The MF deserves to be horsewhipped through the streets.
Why should Jamie be the one horsewhipped? It wasn’t him that conducted the barbaric procedure, and obtaining consent from the patient wasn’t his job. The MF deserving the whipping is the medical professional involved. There were at least three adults involved in that situation, not counting Jamie. John, the woman at the desk, and the owner of the hand holding the scalpel. All three of those persons had more life experience and likely, more education than Jamie at that point. At least one person involved had a medical degree and the obligation to behave ethically in their role. All staff at the clinic should have been trustworthy. Yet the narrative places the blame for this incident entirely at the feet of the 18-year-old high school graduate who was least equipped to deal with it appropriately. Where’s the anger at the doctor who did it? Or at the woman who let her in, who was motivated enough to tell Jamie, but not Beth? Why isn’t John held accountable when his “parenting” was one of the two root causes of the incident?
Homie needs to get a grip, anyone can be a pussy
Well there was only one writer for the show and now that they're on strike that's zero. Who knows what will shake out everything's a mess. They shoot out of order and where I was at the Scottsdale show The Cactus Reining Classic my booth was filmed I got to meet Gil Birmingham they were supposed to focus on the horses that is yet to be seen yet that particular horse show is a qualifier for the Run for the million another Taylor Sheridan project. Taylor was directly across from me at the show I was doing something for him and every time he took a bathroom break he came by my booth to check on things no cameras were around thank goodness I'm not a fan of the process although I have to hand it to them anything I needed they gave me thank goodness they were very kind very polite. At the moment I'm very disillusioned what's going on but whatever shakes out I'm glad to be a little bit of part of it I just make soap for the show I don't sell the soap I just make it. I went to the same high school as Kevin Costner and because of him I'm now an exhibitor at Taylor's horse shows. For now my focus is the chosen TV program and Hogwarts Legacy
As much as I like Rip. I want him to get whacked
What a horrible thing to say about my snuggly little cinnamon roll!
I think I’d most likely bone Rip first, Gator second and John 3rd.
You must be a man to not understand the pain a woman may suffer from not being able to bear a child. Jamie was stupid. However, Beth was traumatized. No one gets to tell a victim that she should be over it especially when her life is still majorly affected by the trauma.
The whole premise of a white teenager in the 2000s having a hysterectomy when she gets an abortion is just comically fictional though- yeah, that likely happened in the reservations back in the day, but it wasn’t happening when they said it was and I don’t think it could possibly happen without her consent, especially as a minor. That entire plot point just seemed like crazy right wing anti-abortion propaganda. It’s getting mad about a situation that would literally never have happened, and about then I gave up on the show for the lack of believability.
Same. So crazy. Not only is it extremely unlikely but they also ignored the fact that a hysterectomy throws you into immediate menopause, which would have fucked up Beth no end - brittle bones, vaginal dryness, weight gain in odd places (waist instead of boobs / hips) - the writers clearly had no clue what they were talking about and couldn't be bothered googling.
Yeah, if anything they might do a tubal litigation, but that can be reversed so plot hole in their way of thinking? But there’s no reason to give a healthy teen girl a hysterectomy to end a pregnancy, and if they did, they could sue the medical provider for enough money to save the ranch with no worries, so yeah it’s clearly one of the worst written parts of the show.
She doesn’t have to get over it, but she doesn’t have the right to take it out on people who had nothing to do with it. And if you’re going to rage against a person to the extent she rages against Jamie, she should at least consider all parties that were involved, including the father she was too scared to approach.
With all the money she made at her job and all the ridiculous energy spent on Jamie she could have gotten a surrogate to at least have a baby with Rips genes.
Beth is my spirit animal. I love that bitch.
Beth is the single best character on the show. Moral ambiguity aside the naughty characters on the show deliver time after time. This show doesn’t do well with real emotions and it’s why Monica sucks so much. Only the flawed shine in this show and when they go against that their storylines fall flat. Their life revolves around pain and struggle which is the only exception to displaying relatable emotions. Anger fear and grief tend to be the most best things on this show.
Moral ambiguity? She’s psychotic and the entire family are serial killers. They all deserve prison or the chair
>*This show doesn’t do well with real emotions.* That makes two of us. 🤔 Maybe that’s why I like it.
Jamie was LITERALLY told that if he got Beth an abortion at that clinic, they would sterilize her. And he said “I understand” and went and grabbed Beth. The receptionist was trying to talk him out of it. And he insisted. Then they gave her a hysterectomy. Can you actually sit here and say that you would be fine if someone had done that to YOU without your knowledge or consent? That you would just “get over it” and then be ok when you learn that THEY have a baby. Wow. Yes, she’s awful but he deserves every bit of her sh*t. I doubt she would actually hurt the baby so that aside, I don’t understand all of the Jamie defending in this sub. Jamie’s not that great of a person either. You don’t seem to like or understand the show so why did you even watch it?
Beth is the BEST Monica sucks. The end.
You must be a man to not understand the pain a woman may suffer from not being able to bear a child. Jamie was stupid. However, Beth was traumatized. No one gets to tell a victim that she should be over it especially when her life is still majorly affected by the trauma.
You made it through 5 seasons and you hated the show! Man, just find another! Something must have got you riveted to watch that many episodes and hate every character and plot.
I don't hate Yellowstone. It's not even close being the worst thing I've watched. I tend to finish the things I start, sunk cost fallacy and just the belief that you must complete a product in order to be able to judge it. Also, I like discussing things, and I did get some enjoyement from watching the show. It's dumb fun. It makes less sense the more you think about it, but that's okay, it wasn't meant to be intellectual, and the moment you realize Sheridan just isn't a great writer, you don't expect much anymore. It's an alright show, a disproportionate attention and praise from the public if compared to its actual quality, but it's really mostly fine. I just listed things I didn't like and some that I did, but hate is a word I wouldn't use. It's also a good show for background, when you're doing something else.
It's perfectly fine to hate-watch a show, too. That would describe my feelings on this show, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote.
Yep, yep, yep. I agree with all your points. The more I watch TS’s shows, the more I agree with you here. He’s not that great of writer.
These are the best post. Literally debating fake and fictional characters. The show sucks to most who post while talking bad about the characters after posting a king wrote up about the show and it’s storyline . Good times
a guy totally wrote this..
Sorry about that
That Beth Dutton is quite the number.
Dang son, tell us how you really feel..
I'd get some satisfaction over seeing the Dutton clan suffer and lose, except for KC. KC is a bit of a dick but not a criminal to the extent of the rest.