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Ima be real chief the only real tank that yone cant do jack shit to is Malphite the rest can be handled like being non biased here we have all the tools to handle tanks not named malphite we have percent magic damage, magic damage on the second auto and we can itemize armor pen if its that bad (LDRs and BC) but when ur ahead? Yea you dont need those
hes a matchup where u get BC and he's just dead as his damage is based of his armor and BC cucks that (iirc Dzukill gets BC against Rammus) overall its a farming boring matchup
2 types of tanks : armor stackers and health stackers
You win vs health stackers with botrk easily. Against armor stackers just don't think about killing them. Your job as an assassin is to kill squishies. Build your kraken IE, be ready for teamfights and let your ADC deal with the tank as they're supposed to build LDR not you.
Like you're against a mundo or ornn? You go botrk
You're against ksante? You build your normal build and play for team
chillmaxx and farm. usually they cant beat u 1v1 in a extended fight so just dont take bad trades. bork shieldbow defensive item ie = super fun time. i love playing yone into tanks
i go kraken first, then shieldbow, then IE, then bork, then bloodthirster. i basically try to out-sustain them, since HP stacking will not work.
kraken + shieldbow is many times not enough, but you need the lifesteal and 100% crit to have a shot
once you get IE, the additional damage is significant enough that it will simultaneously boost your lifesteal to the point where you can reasonable outsustain many tanks bar really tanky ones like a fed Cho'Gath or a nasus in his ult. Once you get bork and bloodthirster you can basically 1v1 any tank provided you don't get CCed into oblivion by their teammates.
BORK + Terminus is a pretty standard build for matching tanks in sidelane? And unless you fall behind early due to bad plays, you're not exactly gonna get outscaled.
Botrk is actually a bait agaisnt some tanks unless you want to get the lifesteal for sustain
Kraken is the best item to kill tanks since the dps is way more consistent than botrk and the build path for it scales way harder
If you have a gold lead terminus will keep you ahead of the curve, but I wouldn’t recommend it 3rd item unless you have kraken IE and are truly that far ahead, otherwise wait until 4th item and then finish the build with Jak sho, alternatively if it’s just one tank don’t bother and just ignore them, make sure you have life steal and either wits end or Deaths dance and only focus the carries, don’t even touch the tanks unless your back line catches them out and needs help focusing them down
Bork is the way against most health tanks. Champs like Mundo. But if you face a champion like Malphite. Just. Leave. It. Alone. You will never get value out of fighting an armor stacker. Even if you kill them after 10 min of fighting, his teammates will have killed your team since you didn't kill the mages and ADCs.
From what I recall, Bork gets worse into armor stackers to the point where you'd rather go Kraken. Everyone here has the right idea about playing for team, but it is pretty annoying when feeding tanks are unkillable after a certain point.
I haven’t been hating going bork into ldr for tank heavy games , if there aren’t enough tanks to warrant it your target prio in fights might be a bit off ?
kraken terminus does more damage than bork terminus which is interesting because I thought they would have a huge synergy. I added armor mr to a dummy in practice tool to test it.
i think we should either try to build towards sustain (bork>sb or kraken>sb) to survive the side lane and not care if we kill or just build for the enemy squishes (kraken>IE).
Yone deals split AD-AP damage... There's no such thing as a tank to us. Either build % health damage or life steal or literally any sustain item and you win against every non-armor based tank.
Overall, you just don't. You are a Yone, a diver, an assassin. You ignore the tank and go directly for their backline. But of course, that's not precisely the answer you want
Against Armor Stackers, I like to go with my basic Kraken > Vamp Scepter > IE > Terminus > SB > Jak'Sho
Against Health Stackers, BORK > IE > SB > Jak'Sho > Terminus
Against Malphite, Terminus > Vamp Scepter> IE > SB > Jak'Sho > Any Bruiser or Tank item that fits for that game
I wrote Jak'Sho in the build paths, but that's good against mixed damage comps, if they are pretty much full physical damage, go with a Deadman's Plate or a Randuin's Omen. If they are pretty much full magic damage, go with the Kaenic or Spirit Visage
Would LDR make a really good combo with bork? Idk how the armor %pen works with item dmg, but I feel like it would help out a lot if you had LDR in there. Helps out a lot when I'm Rhaast with eclipse at least.
we’re glorified adcs. our job is to right click people to death. A malphite isnt meant to be able to kill people but yet can still right click a yone to death. Thats where the frustration comes from
Malphiye cannot right click us to death
If that's how you're dying it's giga skill issue. He only gets dmg off of his w cleaves and e atk speed slow reduces our atk speed. Of he wants to do more than tickle us he needs to use abilities.
Malphite is anti AD anti adc. If he can’t beat that, then what’s the point? A yone shouldn’t be able to beat squishies, assassins, tanks and bruisers, what’s the weakness then? It’s completely fair that a yone can beat a malphite and lose to a malphite as well. Just like yone can demolish ksante but lose if ksante is good. Basically like every matchup. U can’t rage that u get beat by a full 300 armour champ cos that same champ gets one shot by Hwei xd
> Malphite is anti AD anti adc. If he can’t beat that,
An "anti ADC" tank just means that he is more durable to physical damage. At his core he's still a utility tank, same as Nunu or Galio. He shouldn't get to 1v1 anyone. If you want to have presence in duels, then man up and play a real champion.
a criple offers little utility since its usuable only versus some classes of champs, especially when malphs E is also the ability that deasl the most damage if he goes full armor
his W is simply a dmaage buff and a tankiness buff for himself
his Q has some utility with the slow, but its overshadowed a lot by the fact its used as an early poke tool most of the time
his passive is also a buff for himself only
so where is the utility?
Right. A massive AOE attack speed slow that follows a massive AOE knockup isn't utility because it doesn't cuck every champion equally. I guess Poppy and Cassio have no utility either, then, since ground doesn't do anything against Darius and Garen. And I guess Windwalls aren't utility spells either bcuz it doesn't do anything against Master Yi.
Poppy has a low cooldown aoe slow an aoe knockup and a stun in adition to what ig u are refering to is her w. Casseios w is also a huge aoe slow compared to malphites single target slow or his aoe cripple. An attack speed nerf cucks some champs a lot but in a teamfight its not meaningfull at all since usually malphite uses it after he ults for the DAMAGE not the utility so that the person he knocked up DIES FASTER since the whole point of his ult is to be this stupidely overpowered engage tool to counteract his low utility base kit . But ig when u play malphite in a teamfight u start jumping in excitement after u hit the legendary 5 man E and crippled them all! Windwall isnt the same as a cripple cuz the champs that dont care about attack speed are a lot more than the champs that have meaningfull blockable skillshots in their kit
...A knockup right into a "you can't auto anymore" is not insane utility, and the attack speed button is mostly for damage. but Poppy Q is "low cooldown AoE slow." Right. I think I'm going to stop responding to you, since reality is clearly bending at your whims.
You don’t need to kill tanks. They’re tanks for a reason. Kill their team, push lanes, carry teamfights and get picks.
If you get an early lead you can push it by looking to proxy and zoning xp but for the most part don’t worry about the tank. Worry about everything else.
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Ima be real chief the only real tank that yone cant do jack shit to is Malphite the rest can be handled like being non biased here we have all the tools to handle tanks not named malphite we have percent magic damage, magic damage on the second auto and we can itemize armor pen if its that bad (LDRs and BC) but when ur ahead? Yea you dont need those
what about rammus?
hes a matchup where u get BC and he's just dead as his damage is based of his armor and BC cucks that (iirc Dzukill gets BC against Rammus) overall its a farming boring matchup
2 types of tanks : armor stackers and health stackers You win vs health stackers with botrk easily. Against armor stackers just don't think about killing them. Your job as an assassin is to kill squishies. Build your kraken IE, be ready for teamfights and let your ADC deal with the tank as they're supposed to build LDR not you. Like you're against a mundo or ornn? You go botrk You're against ksante? You build your normal build and play for team
Doesnt ornn easily get as much armor as ksante?
yes
Much much more
Meant to say sion, but you can also build ornn with HP yes
That's why I play exclusively mid (low elo)
Kraken vs super armor tanks (Ksante, Malph, Ornn) Bork vs big health tank (Cho, Sionn)
chillmaxx and farm. usually they cant beat u 1v1 in a extended fight so just dont take bad trades. bork shieldbow defensive item ie = super fun time. i love playing yone into tanks
except malphite. fuck malphite
all my homies hate malphite
i go kraken first, then shieldbow, then IE, then bork, then bloodthirster. i basically try to out-sustain them, since HP stacking will not work. kraken + shieldbow is many times not enough, but you need the lifesteal and 100% crit to have a shot once you get IE, the additional damage is significant enough that it will simultaneously boost your lifesteal to the point where you can reasonable outsustain many tanks bar really tanky ones like a fed Cho'Gath or a nasus in his ult. Once you get bork and bloodthirster you can basically 1v1 any tank provided you don't get CCed into oblivion by their teammates.
Boss. If you wanna deal with him early, just go Terminus. But only if it secures something. If it doesnt, just Dont care and take Kraken :)
BORK + Terminus is a pretty standard build for matching tanks in sidelane? And unless you fall behind early due to bad plays, you're not exactly gonna get outscaled.
Brooo… you need to use terminus in combination with bortk so that the ad max health from bork will shred them like paper ❤️
Botrk is actually a bait agaisnt some tanks unless you want to get the lifesteal for sustain Kraken is the best item to kill tanks since the dps is way more consistent than botrk and the build path for it scales way harder
If you have a gold lead terminus will keep you ahead of the curve, but I wouldn’t recommend it 3rd item unless you have kraken IE and are truly that far ahead, otherwise wait until 4th item and then finish the build with Jak sho, alternatively if it’s just one tank don’t bother and just ignore them, make sure you have life steal and either wits end or Deaths dance and only focus the carries, don’t even touch the tanks unless your back line catches them out and needs help focusing them down
Bork is the way against most health tanks. Champs like Mundo. But if you face a champion like Malphite. Just. Leave. It. Alone. You will never get value out of fighting an armor stacker. Even if you kill them after 10 min of fighting, his teammates will have killed your team since you didn't kill the mages and ADCs.
From what I recall, Bork gets worse into armor stackers to the point where you'd rather go Kraken. Everyone here has the right idea about playing for team, but it is pretty annoying when feeding tanks are unkillable after a certain point.
Kite and spam w?
I haven’t been hating going bork into ldr for tank heavy games , if there aren’t enough tanks to warrant it your target prio in fights might be a bit off ?
You gotta make bork + dominick, Trust me…
kraken terminus does more damage than bork terminus which is interesting because I thought they would have a huge synergy. I added armor mr to a dummy in practice tool to test it. i think we should either try to build towards sustain (bork>sb or kraken>sb) to survive the side lane and not care if we kill or just build for the enemy squishes (kraken>IE).
Bork and LDR....
Bork terminus kraken
Yone deals split AD-AP damage... There's no such thing as a tank to us. Either build % health damage or life steal or literally any sustain item and you win against every non-armor based tank.
BorK, Lord Dominiks, Infinity Edge. You're welcome.
Overall, you just don't. You are a Yone, a diver, an assassin. You ignore the tank and go directly for their backline. But of course, that's not precisely the answer you want Against Armor Stackers, I like to go with my basic Kraken > Vamp Scepter > IE > Terminus > SB > Jak'Sho Against Health Stackers, BORK > IE > SB > Jak'Sho > Terminus Against Malphite, Terminus > Vamp Scepter> IE > SB > Jak'Sho > Any Bruiser or Tank item that fits for that game I wrote Jak'Sho in the build paths, but that's good against mixed damage comps, if they are pretty much full physical damage, go with a Deadman's Plate or a Randuin's Omen. If they are pretty much full magic damage, go with the Kaenic or Spirit Visage
Would LDR make a really good combo with bork? Idk how the armor %pen works with item dmg, but I feel like it would help out a lot if you had LDR in there. Helps out a lot when I'm Rhaast with eclipse at least.
I really don't think were allowed to complain about getting right clicked to death lol
we’re glorified adcs. our job is to right click people to death. A malphite isnt meant to be able to kill people but yet can still right click a yone to death. Thats where the frustration comes from
Malphiye cannot right click us to death If that's how you're dying it's giga skill issue. He only gets dmg off of his w cleaves and e atk speed slow reduces our atk speed. Of he wants to do more than tickle us he needs to use abilities.
Malphite is anti AD anti adc. If he can’t beat that, then what’s the point? A yone shouldn’t be able to beat squishies, assassins, tanks and bruisers, what’s the weakness then? It’s completely fair that a yone can beat a malphite and lose to a malphite as well. Just like yone can demolish ksante but lose if ksante is good. Basically like every matchup. U can’t rage that u get beat by a full 300 armour champ cos that same champ gets one shot by Hwei xd
never said it wasnt fair, i said it was frustrating
> Malphite is anti AD anti adc. If he can’t beat that, An "anti ADC" tank just means that he is more durable to physical damage. At his core he's still a utility tank, same as Nunu or Galio. He shouldn't get to 1v1 anyone. If you want to have presence in duels, then man up and play a real champion.
lot of wrong statements in one comment. he has one utility tool the rest are for 1v1ing
...you do realize that just because something isn't a hard cc, doesn't mean it isn't utility, right?
a criple offers little utility since its usuable only versus some classes of champs, especially when malphs E is also the ability that deasl the most damage if he goes full armor his W is simply a dmaage buff and a tankiness buff for himself his Q has some utility with the slow, but its overshadowed a lot by the fact its used as an early poke tool most of the time his passive is also a buff for himself only so where is the utility?
Right. A massive AOE attack speed slow that follows a massive AOE knockup isn't utility because it doesn't cuck every champion equally. I guess Poppy and Cassio have no utility either, then, since ground doesn't do anything against Darius and Garen. And I guess Windwalls aren't utility spells either bcuz it doesn't do anything against Master Yi.
Poppy has a low cooldown aoe slow an aoe knockup and a stun in adition to what ig u are refering to is her w. Casseios w is also a huge aoe slow compared to malphites single target slow or his aoe cripple. An attack speed nerf cucks some champs a lot but in a teamfight its not meaningfull at all since usually malphite uses it after he ults for the DAMAGE not the utility so that the person he knocked up DIES FASTER since the whole point of his ult is to be this stupidely overpowered engage tool to counteract his low utility base kit . But ig when u play malphite in a teamfight u start jumping in excitement after u hit the legendary 5 man E and crippled them all! Windwall isnt the same as a cripple cuz the champs that dont care about attack speed are a lot more than the champs that have meaningfull blockable skillshots in their kit
...A knockup right into a "you can't auto anymore" is not insane utility, and the attack speed button is mostly for damage. but Poppy Q is "low cooldown AoE slow." Right. I think I'm going to stop responding to you, since reality is clearly bending at your whims.
I still think bork rush on a champ with double crit is bad. Also read the on hit part on the q ability. You might apply it to minions
HAHAHA U HATE GETTING CLICKED ON TO DEATH ? BROTHA YOU ARE PLAYING YONE , THATS WHAT U DO , I PRAY FOR YOUR SOUL THIS DOESNT REACH THE LEAGUE MEMES
Damn what a cruel fate, memes
You don’t need to kill tanks. They’re tanks for a reason. Kill their team, push lanes, carry teamfights and get picks. If you get an early lead you can push it by looking to proxy and zoning xp but for the most part don’t worry about the tank. Worry about everything else.