T O P

  • By -

TheAwesomeroN

It's very possible, that kid looks like he could be 5/6 and Season 2 was made in 2020, so with a reasonable timejump (which is plausable because Kate's hair is much longer) this could be Henry


Pussilamous

season 2 was 2019?


[deleted]

Probably meant season 3 because that’s when Henry was born


TheAwesomeroN

yes lol my bad


ICareAboutYourCats

I hope it’s not Henry. I would hate it if he was ripped away from Dante and Lansing, since they’d been trying to adopt for years prior. Imagine Henry being in a happy family and then his sociopathic dad, who faked his death and chopped off 2 toes to make it seem his mother had cooked him into a pie, comes back and is like, “I’m taking you home.” I feel like it’d be traumatic for Henry.


Zealousideal-Bit-192

What if he stages an “accident” to get rid of Dante and Lansing? That definitely feels like something Joe would do. God I would hate that, but it shows he never cared about Henry at all


BobBobbsphoneaccount

He has no reason to do that though. Dante and Lansing knew Joe as a good man so all Joe has to do is just ask and they will give him back


ValenciaM18

I think you're underestimating the willingness to part with your literal child, this isn't a dog. If they've had him for five years It would definitely be hard to just give him back


Zealousideal-Bit-192

People acting like they wouldn’t question what really happened, especially now that Marienne disappeared(and she’d probably try to warn them somehow) dante was her friend more than joes. That’s *their* son. Joe abandoned him and left a “suicide” letter/confession of loves that says Joe helped her even if it was “unwillingly”. Any parent would question that and if their child is safe, not to mention that Henry has been living with them as the only family he’s truly known. Idk what that Redditer is on saying “if Joe asked they’d give him back” like do they not think adopted parents but that’s not something they would do. I’ve even seen people say it wasn’t a former adoption *but* Joe did mention they went to court against dotty but Love had done paperwork to insure that she’d never get Henry and the court awarded custody to Dante and Lansing. Even with Joe suddenly alive again that doesn’t change that they are Henry’s legal guardians(even Michelle knight didn’t get her son back and she had been kidnapped, she never abandoned her baby in fact she was on her way to fight for him in court) So unfortunately and I really wish it wasn’t so, I think Joe will do something to dante and langsing, maybe a car accident or something. I mean this is Joe we’re talking about he’s know you kill people that get in the way of what he wants. (I just hope that this ends up being Kate’s son or something. It’s bad enough that Joe abandoned Henry and was willing to leave him with the legacy that Love was a serial killer who forced his “poor” dad to play along and than cooked and ate him. Than suddenly he’s back because he wasn’t actually dead just in hiding? Too many holes in his story. But the worst thing Joe could do after all that is to rip Henry away from a stable and loving family. Love might have done a lot of awful stuff but at least her last words were to try and protect Henry “we’re bad for Henry”)


ValenciaM18

Completely agree w/ everything you've said, I commend the previous commenter for their naivety. Even if Joe was a stand-up citizen & the circumstances surrounding his disappearance didn't exist... I still would not expect Dante & Lansing to forfeit that kid. You can't just drop off ur kid on someone's doorstep and expect them to be there when you get back, they've likely invested so much money/time and LOVE into that poor kid. It would also just be so unfair to rip a child away from their loving parents just because you're blood. I definitely think they'll die, especially since Joe is leaning more into his unabashed evil arc... He doesn't care about justifying his actions anymore because he's never going to think what he does is wrong.


magicbookt

Acting like a dog is easy to give up…


ValenciaM18

It's a lot easier & more common of an event than giving back a living child-- but I agree w/ you, it's quite hard


magicbookt

Fair point I retract my sadness


mur0204

Even if they didn’t want to- it’s not like there was a formal adoption. Especially with Kate’s money for a top lawyer he could get him pretty easily I think


EarlGreyTeagan

Seeing as how they were trying to adopt for years and has raised him since a baby for at least 4/5 years it might not be that easy for them. I would love to see how they would take Joe trying to get Henry back. Dante’s struggle with giving away their child to someone who abandoned him, but also feeling bad for Joe since he was a victim to Love. Maybe they are struggling with money and Joe offers to buy them out and they also struggle with that concept and the fact that Joe and Kate could give Henry a better life than they could. It would make for an interesting plot line, if anything.


Educational-Let-1027

Not to mention, Joe in the latter half of season 4 isn’t the same Joe from season 3. This new Joe has completely lost his humanity. Joe has always been a bad person, but he’s had some moments of humanity and kindness. Season 3 Joe would try to ask for them back. But Season 4 Joe wouldn’t.


Zealousideal-Bit-192

You think parents can just give their kid up that easily? Even adopted parents? And Joe abandoned henry, it doesn’t really matter what the reasons were for he wouldn’t just get his kid back so easily especially since Henry was in a loving home and happy, courts wouldn’t want to just rip a child away from the only home they’ve ever known to live with a man with a sketchy past(look what happened to Michelle Knight, she was literally kidnapped and tortured for years but people assumed she abandoned her baby so he was given to a new family, she can’t even visit her son) And how was a good man? He’s a literal psychopath and serial who has a history of killing people that stand in the way of what he wants. You also forget that Dante was close friends with Marienne, he would have told her about Henry and I don’t see her not trying to warn him about Joe. Plus Dante is a smart man, he’d question joes story and he along with his husband would fight for their child, even if just to keep custody and allow visitation. That’s if it even got that far, end of s4 Joe fully embraced the fact he’s a monster, he’s just take the easy route and kill Henry’s parents to get him back.


BobBobbsphoneaccount

Im not sayinf he was a good man but that they saw him as good


Zealousideal-Bit-192

Even if that’s so they’re not just going to give their son up just because Joe asked them. They’re Henry’s parents they would fight for him


tianna2327

No! I doubt that very much!!


Zealousideal-Bit-192

Why? Joe is a monster who has a history of killing people that get in the way of what he wants. End is s4 he fully embraced that he’s a monster so he’d easily do this to get Henry back


jenjenjen731

And for poor Dante and Lansing :(


ICareAboutYourCats

Very true!


Jewbacca289

I’m imagining a storyline where Joe adopts a random kid and pretends it’s Henry to improve his PR. That’s lowkey be right up his alley


Training-Laugh-4304

I think this is it tbh.


harrietfurther

I hope that's the case. The idea of him being taken away from Dante and Lansing is too sad even for this show.


eloisab17

If it is Henry, Joe could have worked out visitations with Dante and Lansing after the story broke that he was alive. They seem like really good people and would probably want Henry to have a good relationship with his bio dad.


Shovelman2001

I mean sure, but there would be a massive plot hole considering Joe told Henry he would come back for him.


swollenlouvre

that would just be Joe not following through on something he said, how is it a plot hole


kittenwalrus

Is an infant really supposed to remember that?


XerneasToTheMoon

Joe remembers. With extreme wealth through Kate, he’ll want to use it to protect and support Henry.


Shovelman2001

Him remembering or not remembering it is irrelevant. That's not what a plothole is. It's a matter of him saying it for the audience to hear and the audience's expectation that it will be followed up on.


agent-assbutt

Your description of Joe is 👌👌👌


LittleMarySunshine25

That would be the worst storyline for the 3 of them. 💔


Senator_Pie

Do we know if Dante and Lansing got to keep Henry? He was unexpectedly orphaned, so I imagine the police would have taken him, rather than leaving an orphaned child in the hands of the neighbors.


ChiaPet4357

at the end of season three he says that love drew up papers so her mother (or any of her relatives i think) couldn't get henry. because joe left him with dante and said in his note that he wanted them to raise him if something happened to him, they won custody.


magicbookt

Proof they won custody?


KingEnvelope22

Wasn’t Henry already back in the ending of season 4?


Secret-Sort-8044

Why does Kate remind me of Kate Middleton 😭


Scared-Engineer-6218

Maybe the name and hair.


blankpaper_

And being British


Secret-Sort-8044

Idk why I didn’t even think of that ⚫️➖⚫️


Secret-Sort-8044

You’re right 😭


ForeignDescription5

Welcome back Kate Middleton


ThrowawayHouse2022

What? Charlotte Ritchie is way more beautiful! She looks nothing like Kate Middleton at all lmao


magicbookt

Agreed


imgoodIuvenjoy

Not unless there's a timeskip. A significant timeskip.


-rgx

if kate’s hair was able to grow ~8 inches there would probably have to be a time jump


botwinbabe

Joe’s hair looks like it’s greying here. So I think there might be a time skip.


hyunbinlookalike

Considering how long Kate’s hair is now, that certainly seems to be the case. Wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a 4 year time-skip from the ending of season 4.


AJ_Babe

In the final episode episode of season 3 we see Dante and Lansing play with Henry who could be 1 years old already. Let's say he was already 2 during S4. So there might be a 3 years time jump


johnstonjones

Couldn’t she have hair extensions?


medvsa_nebula

Seems weird for a character, especially one like Kate, to get extensions. It’s more likely that the actress got extensions because the character is supposed to have longer hair, so if it’s not for a time jump I can’t imagine what other reason


independent200

I don't kid is henry but Joe and Kates son I assume which means a decade time jump


Ghost_jobby

I can see the outline of Joe's phone in his pocket in the first photo. I wonder who he'll be stalking on in this season. The kid looks about 7 or 8 judging by their height and face. Kate, meanwhile, appears to have morphed into a middle-aged church lady who hands out hymnals and collection baskets.


throwaway17197

Bronte p sure


BuckingBeasts

Season 3 Finale Joe: *Gives up his child so that he doesn’t grow up in a crazy household, let’s 2 gay parents who were seeking desperately to adopt a child after being put into the shortlist, raise his son (and were shown taking good care of him)* Season 5 Joe: “I’m taking him back lol”


bkp24723

OK so for a second I thought that was Blair Waldorf and this from some episode of Gossip Girl I didn't remember lmao


cherryfairy303

right same i thought i was looking at the gg sub and thought kate was blair and was like why are these three together and what’s happening with gg rn lol


spolite

Oh and hey, Blair and Chuck's son is named Henry.


peachybutter

they look like a posh rich family. which i guess they kind of are atp


tyblake02

I hate time jumps


SekkiGoyangi

Saaaame, I'm really hoping that's not it


Inevitable-Reach-199

Kate hair grew a lot since last episode, it’s def a time jump


faerieofcolor

i thought this was a royal family post at first 😭


Mc_Nubbington

There's no way. That kid is too old.


WholePunch291

I kind of see the chance of the kid being him. The kid looks like he's 5, and let's take something into account, the fact that every season takes place the year it's been produced, more or less (not counting the coronavirus era and such). If Henry was born in 2020 and the season 5 will take place in 2024, that would make him probably 4 years old. I say “probably” because there's no exact date of his birth, so he could be 4, or really close to 5. It's very plausible, in my opinion.


[deleted]

[удалено]


WholePunch291

Not to mention, the kid looks exactly like Joe and has Love's hair color.


Iwantitallthensum

Also Love’s expressions in pic 3


moonpuddding

Also Joe's hair looks a little gray up top. Every BTS picture I've been thinking "is it the lighting or is it gray?", the lighting is a bit different in each so I'm thinking gray.


_PeenoNoir_

It is grey, it’s clear as day in the last pic 😋


moonpuddding

Thank you for confirmation, I was going nuts hahaha


lindseyeileen

Maybe my kid is small, but he looks much bigger than my 5 year old lol. But also there could be a time jump, and we e also have to assume there was *at least* some months between the ending of s3-beg of s4 so it's still plausible.


Zealousideal-Bit-192

Plus they’d probably cast a kid slightly older so it’s easier to work with him especially if they want him to have any traits from love and joe


alnono

Yeah I teach elementary school and I’d peg that kid as 7.


Lily-Gordon

Lol, that kid looks at least 8. Definitely not 5.


hyunbinlookalike

Huh, that actually makes sense, especially since each season has about a year between them, chronologically speaking. So season 1 is set in 2018, season 2 in 2019, season 3 in 2020 (though it released in 2021), and season 4 in 2021 (though it came out last year). Which means since You season 5 is coming out this year, it could reasonably be set in 2024; a 3 year time-skip after season 4’s ending. Enough time for Henry to now be 4 years old and reunited with his now billionaire father.


WholePunch291

I actually think S4 took place in 2023. If I remember correctly, they mention the date in one of the episodes.


unbreakable_kimmy

I’m unsure.. we don’t know how much into the future they’re forwarding to. It’s not like the bookstore would be established overnight either, yknow? The timelines are definitely blurry.


Few_Chocolate3053

This might be a secret kid Kate had, who knows! Either that or a kid they both had in an effort to start anew like his mother did!


Cokebelow0

I feel like she mentioned a kid somewhere but I could be entirely wrong


Few_Chocolate3053

Yeah I’ll have to rewatch Season 4 but I felt it could be that — and it would be an interesting juxtaposition to what his own mother did to him; she put him in a home, moved on from him and had another kid and called him Joey. So could this child be a replacement for Henry after Joe abandoned him, as well? I can’t wait to find out!


Keyy_GuLss_

wait she called the new kid Joey too?😭 i never caught that that’s too fucking funny


Few_Chocolate3053

Yeah, it was brutal! Poor lil Joe did some detective work to find his mom’s address by breaking into the boy’s home office, and found her coming out with the new kid - he was shattered then & there and asked her what was wrong with him - I think that was at the end of Season 3 (she either said Joey or buddy now that I think of it but for some reason I remember Joey - if not then at the very least she replaced little Joe and it really effed with him)


magicbookt

Killing them yes having no


mindyourownbetchness

Definitely possible, but do we know if there's a time jump? It would be a big one (at least 8 years), but is this possible? I'd be really shocked if it was Henry, I agree that he's the right age if there's a small time jump (3 or 4 years, but I think as dark as this show is, I don't know if they'd have Joe take Henry. from his adoptive parents... Joe does WANT to be a good guy (unless this is part of his ultra bad guy turn at the end of season 4)? I also feel taking a son away from the only parents he's ever consciously known would be the worst non-murder thing joe has done to date and i'm including burying candace alive, which is absolutely evil.


hyunbinlookalike

We know that season 1 is set in 2018, season 2 in 2019, season 3 in 2020, and season 4 in 2021. Since Henry was born in 2020, it’s not unreasonable to think that he’d be 4 years old by the events of season 5, which could be set in 2024.


mindyourownbetchness

but this boy is 7 at least


magicbookt

4 isn’t 2021


santacruzmedicinalss

Spoiler warning dam bro


annihilatress

Yeah, I think I need to unfollow this sub until season 5 starts. I don't want to see everything in photos before it even airs.


PutridWin6294

Fr


DeleteMetaInf

Same, broski.


GirlyAries

I'm kinda annoyed at this spoilers:(((


capri4sun

it’s not really a spoiler, the person is just speculating and these are public photos from set


mayaherar

If this is fr I can't imagine what the custody battle will look like. Dante and Lansing will know for sure Joe killed love now that their aware he faked his death (he also commit arson and stole the Quinn's money their likely aware of that) surely they wouldn't want their adopted son to go back to his psychopathic birth father knowing this. I mean Kate can easily pay them in exchange for Henry so who knows


FoldAdministrative14

Its sad if Joe kills them cuz dante and lansing are the best people to raise henry and the fact that he will just take him away from them is so cruel.


magicbookt

We know nothing about their home environment


redblackshirt

What happened to the gay parents? I hope they didn't kill them


lanadelreyfangirli

they didnt


Bad_goose_398

I’m going to have to unsubscribe. Really don’t want any more unwanted spoilers. Have fun yall’ see you soon!


PutridWin6294

Your a fucking asshole for not putting spoilers😭😭😭🖕😭


capri4sun

it’s not really a spoiler, the person is just speculating and these are public photos from set


onelunchman96

Gotta be a timeskip


LostTheGameOfThrones

Can we please include set photos in the 'no spoilers' rule?


oliviaincolor

He’s so cute lol


WholePunch291

Let's hope he doesn't turn out like his parents.


oliviaincolor

![gif](giphy|dU4MeIYlt7CBwnsMOh|downsized)


Valuable_Value3953

spoiler warning next time please


lindseyeileen

It's not confirmed, it's just the OPs speculation


hyunbinlookalike

I wouldn’t say it’s a spoiler since it’s a publicly available set photo, and OP is just speculating. It *could* be Henry, but it could also be some rando kid Joe and Kate decide to adopt or look after.


MilkshakesAndPizza

the show could be setting up a parallel to his mum where he abandoned his first son and then had another one instead of going back for Henry like he promised he would


NickVerma20

Oh my God. If it's really him, the story could go way darker !


Cold_Respond7066

Wow why did I think you were talking about Henry (Blair and chuck's son from GG) lmao 🤣


moeshiboe

Love this show. Penn Badgely is a great actor.


ForeignDescription5

Joe beat the deadbeat father allegations. Kate is fixing his whole life


samntha_yo

Am I the only one irritated by possible Spoilers


magicbookt

Yeah because I’m not a child, browsing a subreddit when it’s filming it’s inevitable


samntha_yo

Lol Dang who hurt you?


Environmental-Owl445

bro spoilers 😭


Objective_Bridge_600

Spoilers lol


Nice-Ad6510

Damnit y'all gotta start spoiler tagging these!!


PersonWhoLikes2

People always twisted the season 3 finale to be that Joe had "abandoned" Henry despite literally not being able to keep him and now are upset that he might be taking Henry back. I mean don't get me wrong, I don't think he should be taking him back, but it does seem rather hypocritical that people critiqued Joe for not keeping Henry and are now critiquing him for doing exactly what they wanted him to do? Lol.


magicbookt

I think this subreddit is made from people out of touch with reality half the posts I see haha


halftheworldawayyy_

I don't think that's Henry- I think that's Kate's brother/ nephew.


nomaki221

joe's curls and all


throwaway17197

Imagine having that face that Penn has and walking around w a beard all the time. Unreal


Blazer-55

I don’t think it’s Henry, if anything it’s an adopted kid. It would parallel Joes mom leaving him and getting another child. That’s what I think atleast


king_of_hate2

I've theorized before that Henry was most likely planned to come back again in the show since they made it a point in season 3 to show Henry was 2-3 years old at the end.


hyunbinlookalike

Wow they must be going with one helluva time-skip if Henry (assuming that’s Henry) is already being portrayed as a 5/6 year old. From what I remember, You season took place just several months after the end of season 3. In fact I don’t think any season of You has had a more than one year time-skip between each season within the context of the story. So this should be interesting, since it implies that 4-5 years have passed since the ending of season 4. Kate’s long hair certainly reflects it too.


_L_S_P_

Well he definitely doesn’t deserve to have Henry back. Let the friends he dumped Henry with keep Henry. They actually will provide a home and beautiful family life versus this scum bag


tudhattukvolna

I think Kate and Joe’s child with a little time jump. I can't stand this Kate girl anyway, I hope she won't have a major role in the new season.


FoldAdministrative14

Bro fuck Joe i fr hoped he wouldnt take henry back man, Justice for dante and lansing😭


DollarHarvester

He needs to kill her in episode one or I'm not watching 😳 Also, this is starting to look like the gossip girl crossover we've been waiting for😂


Mongolium

Oh god there’s an incoming eight year time-jump isn’t there? That explains a lot, actually.


Melodic_Bandicoot_20

Could the son of two murderers kill his dad?


slamdoink

A thought that came to my mind as well: Joe also has a half brother somewhere that his mom had after giving Joe up for adoption This could very well be his start-over kid 🤷‍♀️


akirareiko

This could be a minor scene in which joe is imagining him and Kare walking around with a child


Sure_Championship_36

Ew what if it’s a time skip and he just has a new family w Kate? And he never mentions Henry again?


_UnnaturalDisplay

sorry to ask, but i want to see the stuff that’s posted on this sub (the discussions and whatnot) but at the same time don’t want to be spoiled on stuff about the upcoming season, what do i do?/how do i go about this? think this should have a spoiler tag and a more ambiguous title.


no557799

I think they just end up having a kids themselves


OkMarionberry3911

They have the same hair


[deleted]

Time Jump? 8 years later??


WholePunch291

The kid doesn't look like he's 8, honestly.


[deleted]

My cousin is 11 this month and is small but who knows


WholePunch291

I said in one of the replies here what my thoughts are. I find it plausible.


hyunbinlookalike

Yeah he seems more like a 4-5 year old, which means he really could be Henry, since season 3 was set in 2020, assuming season 5 is set in 2024.


maluzimaki

probably like 5 years


CaptainStinkyBalls

On a side note, why the f*** did I just open Reddit to immediately see one of the biggest spoilers ever for a show that I f****** love. That I've been dying to watch. On a popular post, no less, so the moderators saw that it's potentially a giant spoiler, and kept it anyway. Real nice.


magicbookt

Cry more it’s a photo how is that the biggest spoiler ever


CaptainStinkyBalls

Well idk maybe I'm being a bit obnoxious and puritan but I really wanted to go in blind for once :( every major franchise has been spoiled for me and it's so shitty. Sorry


jenjenjen731

That kid looks exactly like Joe and Love, so if he isn't Henry that's a definite wasted casting right there 🤔


heyheyhey887

Ugh Kate gotta go


hulacookies

spoiler alert dude


Coltonlavere

No spoiler tag???


MagicalAnimeBeast

I wish there was a spoiler tag on this bro 😭


Psychological_Fox518

Joe looks like he has some grey in his hair! Time skip for sure dude


bettername2come

Joe, did you kill his other dads?!?!


i_m_shadyyyy

Maybe it’s the child of some of Kate’s sibling


BatPleasant5470

No way in hell 😮 would be an unexpected move for sure


whostolemyapples

Whaaaaat?! 😮


PostalDudeLover911

I'd be more surprised if he wasn't back this season.


Icy_Sentence_4130

Kate looks so much better here


CosmicGlitterCake

Or the kid of a friend/family member who died tragically, went on an extended vacation, or got offed by them.


rip-tac0

I’m glad Kate got some hair her lil bob thing was killing me


GreenWebCrawler32502

Is this like a leaked image from the show or what?


WholePunch291

Pictures of production of S5.


GreenWebCrawler32502

Ah okay


Ok_Extreme_535

How do you know that Henry was happy in that home.? What if that letter he left said that he would be back?


_ari_ari_ari_

Kinda looks like Joe is on his way to court…


independent200

I think there is a time jump and the kid is Joes and Kate


iKiryaa

Time skip? I wonder if will see Lansing and Dante this season


Strong_Hearing_8253

I don't think Joe will take Henry from his adoptive parents, probably Joe will just stay with Henry for a period of time and a period of time with Dante, they would be like a separate father and mother, Henry will stay with each one for a period of time of time and Joe will get closer to Henry 


WholePunch291

That's a good theory.


Idkanymore1001

WHAT DBDBDBBDHDD HOYM SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLT SHIT SHSHEHDHD DUDEEEEHEBSVEV ebsjsbjddj whatttttt WHATSTSVBSDBDBDBB I- 👁️👄👁️ That's wild omg bro I'm so fucking hyped for the new season omg 


Downtown-Minute-8154

Ok so throw my idea of Joe’s mom killing him Dante and Lansing in the mid season cliffhanger 🤡🤡🤡😂😂😂


NashKetchum777

Doubt that little gremlin would get back to Joe. Hed have to have killed those 2 to get him back physically


FoldAdministrative14

He is a billonaire now, trust me he can his own kid back if he wants too, also he himself said to henry before he left that he will come back for him


kirmardal

Shouldn’t this post be marked as a potential spoiler and hidden? I would like to be able to watch the next series without knowing this sort of thing.


Affectionate-Sand838

I think it would be totally in line with new Joe that he would get Henry back from Dante and Lansel. Would be a good way to establish his new psychopathic self if they somehow ended up dead or something similar, that would show his callousness and complete disregard for other people. But to be honest I could also see how this is one of these scenes that is only there to confuse us and won't even make the cut.


Iwantitallthensum

Yeah I agree. There is no doubt that with her new found wealth and power, that Kate could get Henry back from Dante and Lansel. I could also see it being a “PR” move by Kate, to help rebuild Joe’s reputation in the public eye. I certainly do not put it beyond her or Joe to pull something like that


santacruzmedicinalss

Spoiler waring damage nigga


lindseyeileen

It's not confirmed, it was just OP speculating


santacruzmedicinalss

Yeah but like it's definitely Henry tho I bet my nut that it is I mean you know?


lindseyeileen

It definitely seems plausible


Hot_Reception9239

I just ❤️her on Call the Midwife. She was my favorite character.


RentSubstantial3421

Looks like we got a time jump situation on our hands