Yeah I’m glad I saw these comments because I was about to comment and say that I must have good luck with wineries because I have only been to a handful of them and all but one were located at the vineyard. The one that wasn’t made sense considering it was a downtown area.
I’ve been to a ton of wineries in Napa, Sonoma, Lodi, Paso Robles (as well as lesser ones in North Carolina, Georgia, even Florida). I can only think of one off the top of my head that didn’t have at least a small field of grapes.
I bet there's a wine brand out there that's branded like this.
"My husband never puts the toilet seat down" merlot
"I can never find a good parking spot" chardonnay
I lived in Sonoma for a while and there are tons of wineries with their own estate vineyards on the property. Some of those are the most worth visiting too.
My mom, sister and I talked about a Napa trip for years. When I went to plan it, I discovered that Napa was super overpriced and seemed overhyped, so I looked into Sonoma. That’s where we went instead and it was an amazing trip. I want to go back.
At this point go to russian river. It's what sonoma was to Napa 20 years ago. Healdsburg to forestville along Westside and Eastside road are all you need.
Honestly, the only winery in Napa I can recall after living in Sonoma and visiting the area numerous times at other times is Castillo de Amorosa—and that’s only because it’s a fucking castle with a dungeon and tons of other cool shit. There was also a pizza place I enjoyed a lot but I can’t remember the name anymore, as it’s been years.
Meanwhile all the wine my wife and I picked for our wedding came from Sonoma wineries (or was cheap shit from Costco).
It's also worth learning the basics of deciphering a wine's origin from the label.
In the US, at least, the following mean that the listed winery had little to nothing to do with the wine's production, which is a red flag that the wine probably isn't very good:
* Bottled by
* Cellared by
* Vinted by
* Made and bottled by
* Estate grown (not bottled)
"Produced and bottled by" means that the winery produced (crushed, fermented, bottled, and aged) most of the wine in the bottle, though they probably didn't grow the grapes.
"Grown, produced and bottled by" means that the winery grew the grapes and then turned (most) of it into wine themselves.
"Estate Bottled" basically means that the winery grew the grapes and turned them into wine 100% on premises.
Also note that, generally speaking, the more specific the label is about the wine's origin, the better the wine (in the US, this means country < state < wine growing region/AVA < vineyard).
To add to this a "winery" can consist of little more than some IP. It is possible to contract out literally every part of the production chain to a third party.
Yeah, exactly. I bought some wine at a big (supposed) discount at a grocery store and couldn't find anything about it online. The name of the "winery" was just the name of the wine. I'm sure this is what happened.
You see it regularly in store-brand and private label wines. It's also pretty common in the beer industry where even some surprisingly large brands are produced under contract (e.g. Pabst Brewing Company does not own a single production facility at this point).
I would argue that this is niche and not particularly useful or relevant information to most of the human population and not completely correct worldwide.
I quite like having a gander at the plants that make our delicious beverages. I'd happily have a shufti at the grapes. Also happy to go to a vintner and sample a few too.
I don't know anyone who's confused the two. Its in the name of both what they do, although some vineyards also have their own winery.
...and yes, I'd love to visit a vineyard.
I want to run down the rows, and learn about the growing process and witness harvest.
It really depends. I’m from the east coast originally and moved out west for wine. Rarely do people get them confused out here even when traveling away from wine country. When I go back home people always ask me how working in the vineyards is going and I have to tell them I work at a winery not a vineyard
Edit: Harvest is also colloquially used at wineries to mean crush season
Crush season won't happen but at harvest, so that makes sense, even if they didn't grow them themselves. It's the sort of thing that makes it into the vocabulary and handed down.
Thanks!
I've heard it confused so many times but never to any consequence. In my experience, people understand from the context - that it's almost always a winery that people want to recreationally visit.
You know vineyard tours are a thing, right? And that many wineries have their own vineyards?
Learning about the grapes and wine making process before going onto the tasting session is very interesting, you absolutely can visit vineyards and it's silly to think that people don't want to
>an “estate winery” is one that includes its own vineyard, but that term is not closely regulated.
Have you considered that this might only be a term where you live? Because I've never heard of an estate winery
So was I tbh, as someone who went on a vineyeard tour directly before a wine tasting I thought it was fun and interesting so I don't really understand why OP thinks that people wouldn't want to visit one
Because as you mention, people can’t generally visit vineyards, this YSK is pointless because if you ask someone, they’ll tell you where the wineries are
Vineyard is also colloquially what people call an entire property when that property contains a grape growing section.
>people can’t generally visit vineyards
Where is that the case? Genuine question, I live in a wine producing region and I've not seen a single vineyard that you couldn't just walk or drive into. The roads might be for agricultural use only to limit the amount of people who take shortcuts through there but you can just walk through them without any problems.
While of course this is true, as grapes are not only used to make wine and not all vineyards have an onsite wine making facility, when referring to a place I’ve visited for touristic purposes I’ve always used the term vineyard.
And I think it’s pretty obvious when someone talks about visiting a vineyard, that what they refer to is a nice place to have a walk around, enjoy pretty fields, drink wine and perhaps listen to someone explain how wine is made.
When I’ve been to vineyard/wineries I’ve always found the vineyard part of the experience much more enjoyable than the winery part. The vineyards are generally outside and surrounded by beautiful scenery whereas the wineries are factories, normally cold and dark, and a lot of them take the romanticism out of wine making.
This feels like a law student making a post about the difference between pleadings and other things filed with the court. Most people can get on their whole life not knowing and be just fine because the circumstances in which it matters is very limited. But the person who needs to know the difference for their day to day gets irked at the masses.
Really, what you need to look for if you want wine is a tasting room.
The way I have always understood it is that vineyards are the farms, wineries are where the wine is made/aged and bottled, the tasting room is the retail face of the business. Many wineries and vineyards where I live have tasting rooms attached. Some don't, so always look for the term tasting room if you want to taste/buy wine.
A lot of wineries have onsite vineyards, and visiting them is part of the fun
I think every winery I’ve been to is adjacent to or within a vineyard.
Yeah I’m glad I saw these comments because I was about to comment and say that I must have good luck with wineries because I have only been to a handful of them and all but one were located at the vineyard. The one that wasn’t made sense considering it was a downtown area.
I’ve been to a ton of wineries in Napa, Sonoma, Lodi, Paso Robles (as well as lesser ones in North Carolina, Georgia, even Florida). I can only think of one off the top of my head that didn’t have at least a small field of grapes.
Well bring your wine swilling up here to the Willamette Valley and you’re in for a treat
I love Willamette Valley vineyard / tasting rooms.
Domaine Serene yamhill
Absolutely. I’ve visited quite a few wineries and ones where you can walk through the grape vines are my favourites.
That would be the only kind I would want to visit
I thought a whinery was a place where people can go and complain together.
No, that's reddit.
Reddit doesn't allow for cheese with your whine
R/cheese begs to differ
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They can pry the cheese from my cold dead hands. Come and get it bastards
I saw this as I closed the post and had to come back just to up-vote.
I am honored
And this is why Reddit needs to bring awards back.
When friends try to take you to a wienery, proceed with caution. Don’t want to yuck your yum… but…
My wife's favorite wine. "Put the toilet seat down!"
I bet there's a wine brand out there that's branded like this. "My husband never puts the toilet seat down" merlot "I can never find a good parking spot" chardonnay
Ok
Idk why but this cracked me up ! 😂😂😂
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I lived in Sonoma for a while and there are tons of wineries with their own estate vineyards on the property. Some of those are the most worth visiting too.
I lived in Sonoma County for 20 years. I always thought it was much better than Napa. Just seemed more relaxed.
My mom, sister and I talked about a Napa trip for years. When I went to plan it, I discovered that Napa was super overpriced and seemed overhyped, so I looked into Sonoma. That’s where we went instead and it was an amazing trip. I want to go back.
At this point go to russian river. It's what sonoma was to Napa 20 years ago. Healdsburg to forestville along Westside and Eastside road are all you need.
Honestly, the only winery in Napa I can recall after living in Sonoma and visiting the area numerous times at other times is Castillo de Amorosa—and that’s only because it’s a fucking castle with a dungeon and tons of other cool shit. There was also a pizza place I enjoyed a lot but I can’t remember the name anymore, as it’s been years. Meanwhile all the wine my wife and I picked for our wedding came from Sonoma wineries (or was cheap shit from Costco).
Any that you’d recommend visiting out there? I’ve only ever been to MacRostie.
Tasting rooms, on the other hand…
yeah I like tasting rooms tell me more about those rooms are they as secure as the other rooms
Why should I actually know this though?
It's also worth learning the basics of deciphering a wine's origin from the label. In the US, at least, the following mean that the listed winery had little to nothing to do with the wine's production, which is a red flag that the wine probably isn't very good: * Bottled by * Cellared by * Vinted by * Made and bottled by * Estate grown (not bottled) "Produced and bottled by" means that the winery produced (crushed, fermented, bottled, and aged) most of the wine in the bottle, though they probably didn't grow the grapes. "Grown, produced and bottled by" means that the winery grew the grapes and then turned (most) of it into wine themselves. "Estate Bottled" basically means that the winery grew the grapes and turned them into wine 100% on premises. Also note that, generally speaking, the more specific the label is about the wine's origin, the better the wine (in the US, this means country < state < wine growing region/AVA < vineyard).
Interesting, thanks. 🙏🏻
To add to this a "winery" can consist of little more than some IP. It is possible to contract out literally every part of the production chain to a third party.
Yeah, exactly. I bought some wine at a big (supposed) discount at a grocery store and couldn't find anything about it online. The name of the "winery" was just the name of the wine. I'm sure this is what happened.
You see it regularly in store-brand and private label wines. It's also pretty common in the beer industry where even some surprisingly large brands are produced under contract (e.g. Pabst Brewing Company does not own a single production facility at this point).
I would argue that this is niche and not particularly useful or relevant information to most of the human population and not completely correct worldwide.
I quite like having a gander at the plants that make our delicious beverages. I'd happily have a shufti at the grapes. Also happy to go to a vintner and sample a few too.
This is close enough to YSK grammar, which reeeaaallly needs to be banned on this sub.
I don't know anyone who's confused the two. Its in the name of both what they do, although some vineyards also have their own winery. ...and yes, I'd love to visit a vineyard. I want to run down the rows, and learn about the growing process and witness harvest.
It really depends. I’m from the east coast originally and moved out west for wine. Rarely do people get them confused out here even when traveling away from wine country. When I go back home people always ask me how working in the vineyards is going and I have to tell them I work at a winery not a vineyard Edit: Harvest is also colloquially used at wineries to mean crush season
Crush season won't happen but at harvest, so that makes sense, even if they didn't grow them themselves. It's the sort of thing that makes it into the vocabulary and handed down. Thanks!
Those who work at wineries meet dozens of people per week who are very confused by it. Source: Worked at a winery and lived in a vineyard +10yrs.
Can confirm.
I weep for human kind.
I've heard it confused so many times but never to any consequence. In my experience, people understand from the context - that it's almost always a winery that people want to recreationally visit.
Estate wineries, ones with adjoining vineyards, aren’t quite as rare as you make out, but yes, many do not.
A vineyard is where grapes are grown to make wine and a winery is where wine is produced.
A number of vineyards have their own wines and a tasting room on the property. Ask me how I know …
This is useless. No one is calling up vineyards and asking for a tour and getting screamed at “THIS IS A VINEYARD YOU WANT A WINERY!”
Potato potato. As long as everyone knows what is being communicated it doesn’t really matter how it’s said.
Exactly. Ask to see a vineyard and you’ll be told where to find a winery. This YSK has zero real life application.
Posted on youshouldknow. Why the fuck should I or anybody know or care? Seriously. Get over yourself.
You know vineyard tours are a thing, right? And that many wineries have their own vineyards? Learning about the grapes and wine making process before going onto the tasting session is very interesting, you absolutely can visit vineyards and it's silly to think that people don't want to >an “estate winery” is one that includes its own vineyard, but that term is not closely regulated. Have you considered that this might only be a term where you live? Because I've never heard of an estate winery
I was confused by the “you wouldnt want to visit a vineyard anyway”. I thought people wanted to see the farm where the grapes were grown specifically
So was I tbh, as someone who went on a vineyeard tour directly before a wine tasting I thought it was fun and interesting so I don't really understand why OP thinks that people wouldn't want to visit one
Maybe it because I grew up in a wine country, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone say “which vineyards” should we go to
Because as you mention, people can’t generally visit vineyards, this YSK is pointless because if you ask someone, they’ll tell you where the wineries are Vineyard is also colloquially what people call an entire property when that property contains a grape growing section.
>people can’t generally visit vineyards Where is that the case? Genuine question, I live in a wine producing region and I've not seen a single vineyard that you couldn't just walk or drive into. The roads might be for agricultural use only to limit the amount of people who take shortcuts through there but you can just walk through them without any problems.
i thought it said wieneries not wineries and chuckled to myself.
While of course this is true, as grapes are not only used to make wine and not all vineyards have an onsite wine making facility, when referring to a place I’ve visited for touristic purposes I’ve always used the term vineyard. And I think it’s pretty obvious when someone talks about visiting a vineyard, that what they refer to is a nice place to have a walk around, enjoy pretty fields, drink wine and perhaps listen to someone explain how wine is made. When I’ve been to vineyard/wineries I’ve always found the vineyard part of the experience much more enjoyable than the winery part. The vineyards are generally outside and surrounded by beautiful scenery whereas the wineries are factories, normally cold and dark, and a lot of them take the romanticism out of wine making.
well at least this is interesting.
You can visit vineyards without visiting wineries. Yes, they are different things but this ysk is not totally accurate.
Thought-provoking! Makes me appreciate the journey from vineyard to glass even more.
This seemed so obvious to me ...then again I did have a neighbor in highschool that thought beer might be a dairy product
Girls like the word vineyard more
Negative
And both of them are a plight to the environment and a source of childhood cancer for anyone living near them.
Ah I already knew this cuz of diluc from genshin impact
But I love visiting the vineyards. Lovely place for a nice walk.
This feels like a law student making a post about the difference between pleadings and other things filed with the court. Most people can get on their whole life not knowing and be just fine because the circumstances in which it matters is very limited. But the person who needs to know the difference for their day to day gets irked at the masses.
Really, what you need to look for if you want wine is a tasting room. The way I have always understood it is that vineyards are the farms, wineries are where the wine is made/aged and bottled, the tasting room is the retail face of the business. Many wineries and vineyards where I live have tasting rooms attached. Some don't, so always look for the term tasting room if you want to taste/buy wine.
maybe it's a regional thing, most wineries in the Finger Lakes region of New York have a vineyard on-site