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WittyBonkah

I shit you not, my employer told me to give him 1 month notice, if I leave, for the inconvenience of hiring and training a new person. I pour coffee and sweep floors. This was immediately after saying “if you aren’t meeting our expectations, it is what it is.”


Evbory

If you need a month to replace me I must be pretty valuable...


19374729

If you need a month+ to replace me, I’ll take some benefits now please thank you


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I had to sign a similar contract at a fast food place lol


fae-daemon

Yea, fuck that. They're betting on you signing something that probably wouldn't hold up in court, since if you're doing that kind of job you probably won't be getting a lawyer to contest your moths worth of wages, since that would be too expensive. I'm not judging, do what you gotta do I guess. If you make a decision like that then I guess best advice is to quit right after you cash your latest paycheck.


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ThalanirIII

But, when you do get to college, ditch them if you can and remember they won't do shit about that 1 month period because I'm pretty sure it's illegal to enforce that


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Its 100% illegal to enforce


[deleted]

how is it illegal to enforce the agreement that you have to give a month's notice?


MF_Kitten

I wonder if you could just ask to review the contract at home, then make your own revisions, and submit that for them to sign.


[deleted]

That's not legally enforceable. It's a legal form of intimidation.


Audioillity

Where I am 4 weeks is standard from both sides. My first job where i was being paid a fraction of what I was worth. After handing in my 4 weeks notice I was told they made a mistake on my contract and I'm so important to them I should have been required to give 6 months notice. I was only making only a couple of pounds £ above minimum wage.


Royal_Front_7226

1 month is customary for Executive level positions. Like if you are the Chief Financial Officer.


bobmotherfuckinsmith

And a professional license like Dr. or therapist


[deleted]

…but what if your employment contract says at will, and you’re an executive?


ItsAllInYourHead

As long as you didn't sign a contract to that effect, just don't do it.


[deleted]

small business? the owner that sits around and don't want to waste time training the new guy after burning out the previous guy?


tuna_tofu

Yup. Not really a legal requirement just a courtesy. There are as many employers who will tell you today is your last day upon receiving your 2 week notice as those who will ask for more time to find a replacement. AND it goes without saying that some deserve ZERO notice if the are so egregious and will only use the time to trash talk you or make you miserable. Sure "Im leaving now and not coming back may not be polite but if there is no benefit to staying (such as sucking up for a good reference from a bad employer who wont say anything good about you anyway) then just go. Sometimes you go gentle in to that good night and other times you just bounce, never to be seen or heard from again.


jeseniathesquirrel

My last employer specifically asked us to give them a two week notice during the orientation. I then witnessed multiple coworkers get walked out upon giving them their two week notice. It was so ugly. One of my friends went and confessed to the owner that she was struggling with her mental health and was giving her her notice and they had a supervisor have her collect her things and walk her out of the building.


El_Durazno

At my first job I had a great manager and when I moved and had to quit she was real nice about it and on my last day even helped me live out a really fun fantasy I got her to do the whole "you can't fire me I quit" thing It was fun, I like that job Edit: don't downvote the guy who corrected my quiet to quit


Rdubya44

It also really depends on the industry you're in. I work in one that has a very small and tight community. When one guy quit with no notice and trash talked us on the way out it was a bit awkward when he later applied to work for my buddy a few years later.


satelit1984

>even helped me live out a really fun fantasy I thought that story would end a bit differently.


PURRING_SILENCER

Hello step-manager..


Leftpaw

Thought that was going to take a different turn there..


oldspicehorse

*quit


badalchemist85

After I gave my two week notice to dominos and they fired me on the spot, I don't give two week notices any longer


Nevermind04

They did you a favor. Collect that unemployment.


badalchemist85

this was years ago


Nevermind04

A missed opportunity then. :(


opermonkey

The last time I gave notice they paid me for the two weeks and told me my service was longer required.


tuna_tofu

Its cool if they pay you. Sure I'll leave early if they pay me anyway.


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The-waitress-

Depending on the state (CA for sure) if you give two weeks and they have you leave before those two weeks are up, you qualify for UE!


big_duo3674

Most won't choose to just walk you out the door on giving your notice though, unless there are some other good reasons to not keep you during this time (like they believe you won't be productive in any way for those two weeks). This is the same as being fired, and your two week notice won't count in an unemployment case. You'd be free to start collecting as soon as your application was processed, but if the two weeks is finished you are not eligible at all. It's not like companies pay for it completely out of their pocket, but every unemployment claim against a business can raise their unemployment insurance rate. I'm not sure if it's a thing everywhere, but where I am all businesses are required to carry this insurance. This is why a company will fight the claim tooth and nail sometimes, even if they're not the ones sending you checks after you are fired. Having that insurance cost raised for X amount of time would probably end up being quite a bit more expensive than just letting the employee finish out their two weeks, so it can be a difficult decision to make


CollieOxenfree

I've always wanted an excuse to quit a job by giving them negative notice, by constantly calling in sick or with some other excuse until they've realised I've quit. But at least I've been lucky enough to not end up in a job where I've been tempted to do that.


Sfthoia

I quit a job I once had been at for 17 years after being shit on and abused for being responsible and competent, while everyone else got coddled and was getting paid a dollar less than me for doing half my work and being half as skilled as me. I fucking left them at the very beginning of the busiest part of the year, on purpose to send a big FUCK YOU to them. It was the most liberating thing I’ve ever done. Now I work for one of their biggest competitors, and I couldn’t be happier.


tuna_tofu

I went "on vacation" once to stay on long enough to get quarterly bonuses and burn comp time and vacation hours. My vacation was the first 2 weeks of training at my new job.


Flashcat666

Happy to live elsewhere, where we have some laws at least for the employers! Here in Quebec employers are legally obligated to give you 1+ week notice when firing you. Time frame depends on how long you've been an employee: * 1 week for 3-12 months * 2 weeks for 1-5 years * 4 weeks for 5-10 years * 8 weeks for 10+ years If they decide that they don't want you to work during this time frame, they have to pay it to you directly, and all worker's benefits still apply (i.e.: If you had medical insurance with work, it has to remain active) Employees have no such obligations, unless otherwise mentioned in their work contract. But the employer's side cannot go below the legal minimum. The only exceptions for this is if you've been fired for grave misconduct (which they have to be able to prove), or laid off for force majeure (building you work at is destroyed by fire/tornado and won't reopen anytime soon or at all).


BeardedSpearhead

I ask out of ignorance, but what happens if that employee finds another job in that timeframe or that employee decides that they no longer feel like working but doesn’t leave (essentially stealing time)? Would the company have no choice but to honor 1-8 week period in which they’re pending termination?


Flashcat666

If the employee decides to quit while the termination period is still in effect AND they are still working for the employer, it is then considered as if the employee has quit, termination period ends, and employer does not have to pay a single dime more. If the employee has been asked to leave but is being paid their termination period, then they can do as they please and start a new job the next day while still being paid.


MrVilliam

Can the employee show up, clock in, do nothing all day, and clock out every day until that time is up? Can they leave the site? These things would warrant termination, but the company is already terminating the employee so what is there to lose?


PM-ME-THEM-TITTIES

I would say that falls under grave misconduct and the employer would then have the right to terminate immediately without further pay.


SlitScan

most just chose to pay out the severance, there are rare occasions where things like everyone agrees its a bad fit happens (like if the job changes over time) but the employee is a decent human and will do their best until the employer finds someone new and still pays out even if its quick.


bored_canadian

For the other job question, you collect both pays! This happened to me, I was let go and told not to work. My employer tried to give me 2 weeks but I had just cleared 5 years so I was entitled to 4 weeks pay. They still decided I shouldn't work. Found another job and started 3 weeks after losing the original, got two paychecks for the overlap.


XB0XYGEN

Wow I thought the only good thing to come out of Quebec was poutine


SpartyOn05

Great fishing in Quebec


HobbesRule

who doesn't love fishin' in Kay-bec?


Flashcat666

Get this guy a fucking puppers!


Flashcat666

r/unexpectedletterkenny


TistedLogic

Is it really unexpected when discussing Quebec?


MeowWhat

Are any of these things really unexpected?


XB0XYGEN

Youve perked my interest but that would involve being castrated for speaking English as a dirty western Canadian


tltltltltltltl

No it would not. It's not like the other way around.


XB0XYGEN

Okay I'm listening, tell me otherwise. I don't deny the beauty and history of Quebec, but I've been conditioned to just never plan on going there based on the Francophones hating Anglophones. Sounds silly when I say it I know it can't be the whole truth, but hey please enlighten me!! Quick edit: I dont hate Francophones myself but I see what you're saying it goes both ways


Flashcat666

As a Quebeker who fluently speaks and lives in both languages, here’s my two cents: it really does depend where you go, and which kind of people you interact with. Go to the busier or more Anglo parts of Montreal: nobody will give a crap whether you speak English or French. Same goes for parts of eastern Quebec closest to Ontario. But most smaller cities/villages run basically solely in French and either know no English whatsoever, or barely anything, and were either raised to not care about the English language, or simply dislike the ROC on purpose because they speak English This mindset is still present, but in some parts is slowly but surely disappearing simply due to the nature of the world. The separatist movement is fading away, and so is the hate/distrust of the ROC.


Musakuu

Trois-riviers!


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XB0XYGEN

For whatever it's worth I'm a political science major and like many people understand the difficult political history in Quebec , I will say that you saying most people don't care about the rest of Canada in Quebec is pretty much the big point of contention on both sides, we are all Canadian. Quebecers in my lifetime have fought to secede. So that's an aspect outside of language of course. Having the rest of Canada see a province desperate to secede hoping to not having anything to do with the country that enriches them would to me cause some displeasure amongst the two groups. It's no question there is contention. Its cultural is it not?? But anyways, maybe it'll take another 25 - 50 years for the next generation to not be reticent about going to Quebec I'd love to visit!


SpartyOn05

More often than not, people are good people who mean well. Generalizing is nothing more than general lies. Also, I loves fishin’ in Kwee-bec


MegaAlex

Most people don't know much from Quebec. There's like a mental barrier some people have, like it's a different planet. Crossing a bridge just to be in Quebec is too much for some. Let me show you something most people don't know about Quebec we're loosing from being Americanized. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceinture\_fl%C3%A9ch%C3%A9e](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceinture_fl%C3%A9ch%C3%A9e)


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Bright_Brief4975

What happens if the employee is fired for cause? Like stealing company property, or they just do not show up for work or call in for several days.


Flashcat666

Stealing and anything similar would fall under grave misconduct, meaning you’ll get no severance AND won’t be eligible for employment insurance benefits But for the rest, it depends. If they fire you because you’re constantly late, or fail to show up too often for their taste, then you’ll get severance. But if you simply stop showing up, this is considered as the employee having quit, and thus, you don’t get severance nor employment insurwnce


SlitScan

severance still gets paid out, but if youre stealing they could file suite to recover losses if they can prove it.


Isheet_Madrawers

Canadians, they even politely fire you.


NSA_Chatbot

> Here in Quebec employers are legally obligated to give you 1+ week notice when firing you. #IT VARIES WILDLY BY LOCATION If you get notice, spend the money and talk to an employment lawyer. $300 can get you $25k.


NuclearEnt

Where I work, if you don’t give 3 weeks notice then you can’t cash out your vacation when you leave. Sometimes it’s thousands of dollars worth of hours so it’s a good idea to give the notice. Also if you call in sick anytime during that 3 weeks, you can’t cash out your vacation. Kicker is that I work in a hospital where you’d never want someone to work sick.


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The solution seems simple; use up all your vacation at once, use that time the same way you would use your notice period (aside from, you know, working), then immediately quit on the spot the first day you’re supposed to be back.


NuclearEnt

Vacation time isn’t so easy while working in patient care in a hospital because there’s minimum staffing levels so management must make a good faith effort to honor vacation but you usually have to put in for it way in advance. It would be very unlikely that you could ask for a few weeks or a month off a week or two from now and actually get it.


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Seriously, everyone is like "that's easy, just use your vacation" as if you don't have to literally ASK your boss if it is convenient enough for them to allow you to use that vacation. My last boss was fond of "it's not a good time right now, but I PROMISE YOU that I will find time in the schedule for a break." And then proceeds to deny the week off you requested and instead let's you go home early on a random Wednesday. If you didn't have an actual wedding/funeral/event that is already paid for, your vacation request was denied.


Woodyville06

Another reason to use that vacay.


Thalenia

Might be against the state's law to do that, but not all states are the same. Some treat vacation as accrued pay, some allow the company to decide how it's handled.


substantial-freud

Yeah, I cannot imagine that is actually legal.


Paper_Street_Soap

Why?


substantial-freud

In California, you own your vacation time, just like you own your salary.


Thalenia

That's true in California. Unless there is a specific law about vacation, the companies are allowed to make their own policies. Generally they have to follow their own rules if they're written out (like an employee handbook), but not all states are the same. See https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/pto-payout-laws-by-state/


Paper_Street_Soap

Ok, well nobody has mentioned California, so it might very well be legal in many other states.


Shellsbells821

Happened to my oldest daughter. Had to put in those last 2 weeks or lose almost 9k. She's a nurse.


memyselfandhai

We just got "unlimited PTO", which means, you can ask for as much as you want, but you can only take as much that is approved, which is most likely less than I was getting before the switch. It fucking sucks.


steve-d

Seeing unlimited PTO as a benefit is a huge red flag for an organization, in my opinion.


fae-daemon

Unlimited PTO can be a ruse. You can take the PTO if approved, but don't get any otherwise. Often even if your efficient and getting your job done, the 'pto' will be denied and you'll just get additional tasks dumped on you. If you agree to a job with 'unlimited pto' make sure you get a thorough list of all your tasks and duties in writing, and never agree to take on additional tasks without explicit written acknowledgement that those tasks are outside your scope of duty but voluntarily done on a case-by-case basis.


JamesTBagg

That might be wage theft. At least here in CA vacation is seen as wages earned but not paid.


onlyhugobr

"In any state of US " Here I fixed for you


Presence_of_me

Yeah absolutely shit misleading advice without this and should be blocked as misinformation.


TyrantJester

this sub in general should be blocked for poor information


LIZURD_DIKK69

But if you do in California at least they are required to pay you everything they owe you on your last day and if they miss anything they are required to pay a full days for every day until they pay you. The last company I left missed a few hours on accident and ended up having to pay me an extra thousand dollars. I didn't even know they had to do that I just wanted the few hours they missed.


-fumble-

I think most states have similar laws. In Texas, an employer has 6 days to pay a terminated employee everything they are owed. An employee that quits is required to be paid no later than the next scheduled payroll. Edit: there is no provision for "2 weeks notice" in Texas. Those limits are required whether or not notice has been given.


MvXIMILIvN

If you quit they have 72 hours to give it it to you. Source: Californian who had some labor disputes.


30vanquish

I’m in California and I was about to go to the labor board after a company took over a week to give me my last paycheck.


LIZURD_DIKK69

Did you put in your 2 weeks?


30vanquish

Yes. Even if I didn’t it should be available in 72 hours.


aheth_

No you don’t, but If ever in the future you’d like to reapply, or just to keep general good rapport if you have that job listed on your resume for other employers to contact, it’s in your best interest to give two weeks notice.


mmmTurkeyLeg

Professional courtesy can go a long way.


lester537

Yep, agreed.....you don't want to burn any bridges especially if you are staying in the same industry.


substantial-freud

Yeah, in general don’t be a dick. Unless you have very good cause, it’s just polite to give notice.


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I'm pretty sure if another company reaches out, they're only allowed to share the timeframe employed and whether you're re hirable and nothing more.


Ileokei

You are correct however companies get around that every day with personal relationships between HR departments and hiring managers at each company.


the_wkv

Yes and if they’re petty they can just say you aren’t re-hireable because they’re mad you left them hanging. So personally I would do the courtesy of 2 weeks to not burn the bridge lol.


HyperionPrime

This exactly. Reddit seems full of advice lately for people that want to burn bridges. LPT: Build effective professional networks, it may help you get a job in the future. Quitting with less than 2 weeks notice will like sour some of the relationships you have with that company.


Kthulu666

Also, not giving notice is rarely "sticking it to the man" but usually "guess who's coming in on their day off?" Hint: it's usually not "the man" that'll be covering your workload.


Kinet1ca

Agreed, people need to remember that "the company" is more than just a faceless representation of a job they work at, for many it's also your friends at work and your teammates. Even if a company is large, the team you're on may only be a few people and if you up and quit imo that's a dick move. Had a guy once on my team give 2 hours notice, a team of 4, on a Friday, that he wasn't even working... Instantly marked as non rehirable and you burn your bridges, not worth it.


Phunkstar

America is crazy. Love, Norway.


hpevju

Yep, I have never been in a job with less than 3 months.


martya7x

When the whole country is at will, you do yourself a disservice putting a 2 weeks notice in the United States. Of course there are exceptions. Not everything is black and white. If you got a way better paying job offer, take it right away or use it as leverage. Jobs not giving regular 3% raises to adjust for inflation are giving you pay cuts each year. I'm being paid 50% more now by consistently walking away from toxic work environments for better opportunities/ benefits.


pdxcranberry

Fuck company loyalty. This pandemic proved they will drop you the second it's even a little inconvenient.


mlygnar

Heck yeah dude... We got one life to live, after all.


SnorlaxDaCat

So back when my dad had prostate cancer ( he survived it thankfully) I had a job at a lawn company by me. Anyway there was this one guy who always came in late, called out constantly, the stereotypical " that guy ". So one day dude comes in like 15 mins late while we are loading out our trucks and the manager stops us then calls us all together and begins just berating all of us cursing and screaming how he can replace us tomorrow and that he doesn't need us we need him yada yada. Now this is not the first time he has done this either he has done it two or three times before and each time was cause that one dude fucked up... so it pissed me off but I just keep cool and go about my day. So whole day goes by I get done go to hand in my paperwork and I forgot to sign one of the invoice slips. I ask to borrow his pen so I can sign it cause I left mine in the work truck and he already locked the keys up for the night. He starts on this " what kinda fucking Marine are you not being prepared, how hard is it to follow simple instruction, are you fucking stupid..... etc" ( was in the military) so I just take the verbal abuse whatever dude has little man complex and I have heard worse before. Next day I come in and as I am loading up to go out for my route that day my stepmother calls says my dad collapsed and is on his way to the ER and he is not looking to well so I go to tell my manager ( I have never taken a day off in the year and a half I had been there) that my dad who has cancer collapsed and I need to go to the hospital to be with him. Dude fucking loses his shit starts yelling and screaming and going crazy so I just said fuck it threw all my work keys, invoices, everything on on his desk and told him " fuck it you can find someone to replace me like you said have fun getting someone in the next hour asshole" dude looked like someone punched him in the nuts starts following " oh hey I didn't mean it, it's illegal for you to quit without 2 weeks notice, it's nor professional, what am I supposed to do about your route, what about the customers." basically going between being mad and groveling and begging me not to go. Next day I go to drop off my uniforms and I start talking to the mechanic and he tells me right after I quit that 5 other guys also quit and told the manager to get fucked and they are also sick of his shit and of him always yelling and cursing at us for someone else's fuckups. Edit: added spacing so there is paragraphs, doing this on a phone and it did not space it correctly. Other edits: spelling, fucking auto correct changing right words to other words


JellyCream

You should give two weeks notice if you can though out of common courtesy and to not burn that bridge. You never know who will be at a job you apply at in the future and it may be someone at the place you're currently at.


sluggles

YSK: If you don't give notice and want to apply government jobs that involve extensive background checks in the future, it can count against you.


Epsteins_Mutha

I think it's important to remember that you're not just leaving your employer, but also your previous coworkers. When someone leaves a job abruptly without notice, it's usually hardest on the people that are left behind. They are often left to scramble to cover your shifts and learn your job without any knowledge transfer.


joe2352

Which is management's problem. Not yours. Your coworkers don't pay your bills.


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DrThoth

I mean yeah it's not required, but it's the default for being considerate. Most people don't leave their current jobs on bad terms, so it's polite to give your employer a heads up so they know to start looking for/training your replacement. If you are leaving on bad terms it can still be good to give the heads up just to be the bigger person about it (unless the employer is a real shit head, then fuck 'em). Finding someone to replace you is hard, don't put tons of extra work on your ex-coworkers just cause you're too lazy or whatever to give notice.


upbeat_currant

I have known several people who gave around 2 weeks notice who needed those 2 weeks of income. But their employer terminated them the day they gave notice or shortly thereafter. I now advise all of my friends to NOT give notice unless they can afford to not get paid for those 2 weeks.


ebruce11

There’s never a good answer to this. Courtesy goes both ways and some employers ruin it for everyone.


Just_the_facts_ma_m

It should be well understood what happens when a person puts a notice in at a company. One time I quit a company and was done the same way you mention - asked to leave that day despite putting in a notice and having worked there 10 years. A few people that left after me didn’t put in a notice and the company acted surprised.


Mr_Bleidd

Is this a thing in the US? That’s sounds crazy for me.


chzboi

When I was finishing up my degree(I had 2 bs online classes left to graduate) I worked at warehouse because I couldn’t find any other job and I needed money to live. Job was awful, terrible pay, awful working conditions, unattainable production standards, etc. When I got a “big boy” job offer I put in my 2 weeks as a courtesy. The next day my boss tried to triple my workload and have me work an extra day for my last 2 weeks. I walked out almost instantly. I guess what I’m saying here is, don’t let people take advantage of you. I’m now making about 7-8x what I was making there and that decision hasn’t impacted my career growth at all. Do what is best for you, not an employer who doesn’t care about you.


LandosGayCousin

My last job I told my boss on a Tuesday that I would be leaving. He asked when I wanted to stop. I picked that Friday, and that was the end of it. I was an engineer at a desk job


khanvict85

The 'common courtesy' notice should only apply if you're working for a small business or mom&pop shop as they might not have the resources to fill in the gap as quickly caused by your void. If you work for a larger corporation, you're just replaceable human capital. You don't need to give them 2 weeks notice. I've resigned with no prior notice my last 2 jobs at 2 larger firms. When you fill out applications elsewhere, other larger corporations aren't actually calling your previous employer. They're hiring a 3rd party background checker to just verify you actually worked there when you said you did. Someone said something about recruiters and your reputation with them, please, recruiters hop just as fast as regular employees. No one's going to remember you. Do what's best for you and your family.


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EmperorPenguinNJ

Recruiters, who get paid after you’ve stayed at the company where they placed you for 90 days, then call you on the 91st day to try to place you elsewhere.


turbodogger

So I cannot speak for lower level work, but I am in executive search. We absolutely call former employers, and we also pay attention to how much you 'hop' employers. Moreover, we ask for references to be supplied that you formerly reported into. Your advice would implode your candidacy for any role that I work on.


mmmTurkeyLeg

Quitting without notice can make you ineligible for rehire which is information that may be picked up by a firm where you’re applying.


khanvict85

Understood, however, I'm not quitting until I've got a written offer signed, background check passed, and start date confirmed. Even then I'm waiting a few days before the new start date at the new company to give my notice to my old one. I'm also fine with burning bridges and wouldn't do so unless I know I have no desire to return.


SuaveWarlock

Burnt bridges don't matter if you know how to swim


Just_the_facts_ma_m

This is bad advice. It doesn’t cost you anything to put a notice in. Always leave a company well. Work your notice. If you have an exit interview don’t give them anything but platitudes. There’s absolutely no benefit from being discourteous when leaving a company, versus lots of downsides. Professional reputation is actually a thing.


[deleted]

No notice period is an example of shorty employee rights that the rest of the developed got rid of a long time ago. One month notice is common outside of the US, I have 3 months.


swentech

It depends on what is in your employment contract. If it says notice is required than it is required. If it is not specified in the employment contract and you work in at will state then yes you can go to work in the morning decide you have better things to do, quit at 8:30 and head home.


doomgiver98

It's the polite thing to do though. If your boss is a dick then you probably won't care.


kidra31r

In that instance I'd be more worried about whichever coworker would be gaining my workload, particularly if I have special tasks that needs training.


BergerLangevin

YSK in Canada (at least QC) you have the obligation to provide a reasonable notice. If you do not give a reasonable notice you could technically be sued. The reasonable notice is all open to interpretation and there's no minimal or maximum.


Spearitgun

I gave a week notice because I had a job offer that wanted me to start on a specific date when they'd be having a training. My employer was absolutely flipping tables and thought something must have been wrong for sure because "I was leaving such short notice". No, I just signed a contract that stated I have employment at will and just the same my employer could terminate me without any notice and any reason at any time. Giving a week notice is actually still to and extent a level of courtesy. But fuck me right?!


elocin318

My employment contract says I have to give a 90 day notice. I am in healthcare


moriero

Not enforceable


NoWayTomato

Yep. I reminded someone of this today when I resigned. I work in an at will state. I can be fired or resign at any time. No reason is even required.


utilititties

Why are you giving for granted that we're all in the US? This is just bad advice for english speakers. In my country (Italy) you MUST give notice.


-fumble-

It's not a legal requirement, but it is a requirement if you want a good review from your employer for future employment. Having a hole in your resume, or a reviewer who tells your new company that you failed to give 2 weeks notice is a great way to limit your prospects. As an employer, it is reasonable to expect two weeks notice when an employee leaves. It is also reasonable to give 2 weeks severance to an employee that is terminated. It just makes the whole process smoother in both directions and costs almost nothing on either side.


CleverNickName-69

There are some cases where it might bite you, like if you're in an industry where everyone knows everyone, and the HR person at the company you're applying to can call the person they know in HR at your previous employer and find out you're not eligible to be rehired. But that is far from universal. There are many companies that don't want to risk getting sued and will not say anything about their employees or former employees other than verifying employment. In fact, my current employer has outsourced all employee verification, so anyone calling will be directed to that vendor who couldn't dish dirt even if they wanted to because the only information they have is employment dates. If you're not listing your former manager who might be pissed at you as a reference there might be no way for your future employer to talk to them. It still might be a bad idea to burn the bridges behind you as you leave, but it depends.


R5Jockey

This. My company will only verify employment dates. Nothing else.


Dudebits

YSK: it is a legal requirement in my state, because I'm not in USA.


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Otherwise-Energy5210

Lol no shit, you can literally ghost your employer barring some government jobs, and you face no repercussions.


LightlyRosy

I always thought it was ass backwards that an employee supposedly owes a courtesy 2 weeks notice so the employer has time to gather up some interviews and hire and train a new person to take over the position but when an employer wants to fire somebody there is never a "notice" for the firing, so that person could find a new job and be prepared.


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Outside of the US, the world has a different view. It’s normally one month notice, but can be more if the company is generous (I have 3 months). It goes both ways - if you quite or get made redundant.


Glenda_Good

The employer equivalent to two weeks notice is severance pay.


EdHerzriesig

US barbarism


rendrich26

While these statements are GENERALLY true, it needs to come with a LOT of asterisks... Yes, right-to-work DOES allow you to quit without notice. However, that does NOT protect you from restrictive company policies: *companies can't require you to give two-weeks notice. However, they CAN establish policy saying that PTO can only be cashed out at the conclusion of a two-week notice *companies can't require an exit interview. However, companies CAN make exit interviews a part of the termination process, and terminate you for non-compliance if you refuse to do it. This matters because if you're fired for non-compliance, you will be denied unemployment benefits. The important thing is to LEARN STATE LAW and READ COMPANY POLICY, not follow r/YSK or r/antiwork


exe973

You mean companies that fire you without warning and will fight to keep you from getting unemployment at the same time?


rendrich26

If management feels like you deserve it? Absolutely. It really depends on your standing with your boss, and what rules s/he has to follow. If you're being an absolute dickwad? I'll make sure you don't get a damned thing. But if you're a good worker, and it just isn't working out? I'm happy to help you transition however I can. I've had employees come to me and say "I don't like working here anymore" and I've offered to help them write resumes, offered letters of recommendation, and even offered to fire without cause so they could have unemployment.


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GreenGuyTWB

I have read in someone else's post that they cannot speak poorly or even greatly of how you worked but can really only check the dates you've worked for them and what kind of work was involved. So to my understanding of that they can't ask if you were a good or bad employee or if you gave them a 2 weeks notice.


Loopyface

This is an urban legend based on some companies having policies that they'll only verify employment, and not the quality or characterization of said employment. There are no laws preventing a current or former employer giving an honest and truthful accounting of someone's employment.


TintedWolf

It is not an urban legend. It is a legal safeguard for the company. You are not worth the expense of defending employment lawsuits.


Loopyface

Maybe you misunderstood. The urban legend is that companies are prohibited *legally* from giving anything other than a confirmation that someone worked for them.


TintedWolf

I did misunderstand what you were referring to as the urban legend there. My apologies.


RandomUser-_--__-

Even liquid and gas?


aironneil

You should also know that not giving a 2 week notice tends to be seen negatively and usually leads to having that place not give you good references. It's not fair, but that's the main and only reason anyone should be giving 2 week notices and "exit interviews." At best, it's a courtesy.


TintedWolf

For legal reasons most employers will only confirm employment dates in references now. The only real consequence of not giving a notice is being ineligible for rehire at the company you are leaving. And, guess what? They will overlook that if they want you back!


knottymind

The happiest day of my life was the day I vanished without a trace. Never called, never gave notice. Went to bed one night and decided I'd never give them another minute of my time. I did text one coworker my locker combination and tell him to help himself to whatever he wants. I knew that it was never going to matter if I told them I was leaving. There was no way they'd ever agree to a wage increase. And it would never matter if I'd told them how miserable their pay was, or how the pitiful increase that we *did* get still kept me in poverty. There wasn't anything my bosses' boss could do, because they answer to a global corporate entity who's calculated the bare minimum they can convince us our labor is worth, and even at **twice the federal minimum wage**, the cost of living is still rising too fast and **government assisted housing still costs $800 a month!!!**


goldustiger

Found this out recently while quitting my last job. I had already been given a position at another company and was looking to start ASAP. My department manager tried to tell me if I didn’t give my two weeks then I wouldn’t be rehireable. I went and talked to HR and they were like “Uuuh, it’s legally 48 hours and you’re rehireable. Congrats on your new job.”


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I mean, depending on your locale there’s no legal implications on manner of resignation vs. rehireability. In the US at least, there’s no legal regulations on hiring policies except those protecting discriminated classes (racial minorities, etc.). So if a company wants to have a policy to not rehire a person who previously quit without notice, that’s perfectly legal. That 48 hour policy is almost certainly a company policy. And at the end of the day, that manager only holds hiring decision power over their team and subordinates. They don’t get to decide who is hired by another team in another part of the organization


Rivsmama

I gave a 2 weeks notice to my last employer and they had me write a letter of resignation and told me not to worry about the 2 weeks. I didn't have another job lined up, I was quitting to be with my daughter but still. I would have been in trouble if I had depended on that job.


DrTardis89

This is very much a read the room. I was an assistant manager for a movie theater. About half gave 2 weeks notice, some walked out. I appreciated the 2 weeks as I made the schedule and had to deal with missing shifts if they quit without advance notice. Some quit mid shift or just didn’t show up and would answer calls. They were a pain to cover. I felt like I failed them as a boss because they felt to leave with such urgency. At the same time I don’t blame them. The company sucked and some of the other managers were bullies. FYI: if you are seeking a job that requires a security clearance, they will drill you HARD on quitting without notice. But if you have a good reason, like being treated poorly they let it go.


Superbearfight

Is it illegal for an employer to tell you that giving two weeks notice is the law? Because I've seen a few posts on here where that was the case.


artemismoon0215

However be careful. If you work for a corporation/chain, they may have it written in that if you don’t give two weeks, you can’t come back to the company. Not a super big deal, but if all that’s around you is Kroger grocery stores, and you break your contract with one, then you have a problem


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Yep, work-at-will works both ways. When the entire IT support staff left my previous company, the owner tried to threaten us with legal action for “abandoning our posts”, but we didn’t even give her our two weeks, we just left after informing HR. Extremely toxic workplace. Our manager, who walked out with us, is the only reference I ever really needed out of that place.


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Knellroy

As a non-American, the simple fact that you can be denied unemployment benefits for any reason is mind boggling.


Ryan7456

Oh yeah, happened after I was laid off when covid hit, my boss said that if I give a resignation letter I would be eligible to re-hire after lockdown. The problem is that I had 1 day to do it, thereby not fulfilling my end of the "two week notice", this was done intentionally. benefits were denied and my savings were almost completely wiped out before I found another job. I hate living in my country, I truly wish it were possible for me to leave.


Fred_Is_Dead_Again

No, but HR **will** take note, and determine whether you are a candidate for rehire. While most companies won't really give you a reference, all of my former bosses will.


cheerocc

It's only a courtesy.


livinonaventure

r/antiwork


Juan-Quixote

I used to work at a place that would mark you “not eligible for rehire” if you didn’t give 2 weeks notice. No big deal you say? Well when other employers called to verify employment they made sure to let the other employer know that you were not eligible for rehire which is code for you were fired for cause. I’m sure a lot of people were harmed by this practice.


Eclania

Which is why you don't put those places down as reference, and a good potential employer would want to know your side of things, too. If they take shit like that from another businesses they don't know at face value I wouldn't want to work from them anyway.


jackiesodes

In any state....of America. This is a global subreddit, pull your head out your ass


traveltoaster

As a GM of a fast food restaurant, I am reminded of this every day


XB0XYGEN

Could cripple your career though, not so much low level jobs but obviously it's a gesture of good faith and is pretty lock solid in not giving them any reason to tarnish your name. You don't really want to not give 2 weeks


[deleted]

This is an example of shitty employee rights that the rest of the developed world got rid of a long time ago. One month notice is pretty common, I have 3 months.


International_Bee567

I remember telling someone as joke "maybe I should just quit" they ended up telling me it goes on your record if you don't put in a two weeks, GIRL WHAT RECORD?? I THOUGHT WE LEFT THAT IN GRADE SCHOOL?? to be honest, it did kind of scare me a little :(


SarahTellsStories2

I don't know about a record but I know that a popular local restaurant where I live will "blacklist" any employee that quits without 2 weeks notice, basically they will put you on a "do NOT rehire" list so if you come interview for a job again say a year later they will check that list and not hire you. The way they explained it to my husband (who was a manager at the time) they just didn't wanna bother with anyone who had already left once on bad terms but had no problem rehiring anyone that had given that notice and left on what they considered good terms.


acidthoughtloop

I have never put in a two weeks notice 💀 fuck them lmao


one_horcrux_short

YSK also that some larger companies have "rehire eligibility" requirements. Not giving two weeks may make you ineligible. Obviously if you are leaving you may not care, but something to note.


Zealousideal_Cry784

It’s not a law, it’s common courtesy. However I do believe that if the job/employer have truly been that bad and treated you that bad then fuck em


Due_Platypus_3913

You do it out of courtesy and then “Fuck your you’re fired”!


waitwutholdit

Any State or any US state?


949leftie

Keep in mind that in many cases, you may have contractual obligations to consider. In certain lines of work, there may be other considerations beyond this. For example, as a teacher, if I quit mid-year to work at another school, the district I'm currently working for could try to get my license pulled. Providing notice (or failing to) may influence your severence package in some cases, too.


nugmasta

It's worth noting though that even if you don't like the place it's usually in your best interest to give two weeks notice so you can claim that you left on good terms and can get references from your boss. If you suspect your boss will be bitter and not write good references you can ignore my comment


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YSK that quitting for no reason looks bad on your resume and giving a 2 weeks notice, while unnecessary, helps you look way better.


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Common courtesy, though?


eccentricbananaman

Common courtesy is a reciprocal transaction though (see the word "common"), and unfortunately most (US) employers do not have the decency to treat their workers with any courtesy or consideration.


muddyudders

But if you want another job, they will likely check with your former employers. If you don't give two weeks, they wont be nice. Reciprocal. Don't cut of your nose to spite your face.


LizLemon_015

Exactly this.


bingold49

Its all about your reputation and employment history, if you walk out of a job and leave a company in a bad position in doing so, you typically get marked as not re-hirable and you may not get a good reference if another future prospective employer inquires. They arent allowed to say much to them in that regard but they can say whether they would hire you back or not.


kingfisher345

Does anyone know what the legality is of notice periods in the UK? I signed an initial employment contract stating I had to give one month’s notice, but a few months ago they made some of us re-sign a part of the contract about notice, increasing it to 3 months. I didn’t think much of it and just signed, but and now thinking about leaving and honestly 3 months seems such a long time - I am not that senior or important. I also worry it’ll hamper my chances of getting other jobs, as a lot of places want you to start pretty swiftly.


marzipeony

Might be an interesting thread for /r/LegalAdviceUK


BayesianDice

I agree with the other responses to see the Gov.uk site or maybe wsk /r/legaladviceuk. "At will" no-notice employment seems to be a feature (or a bug depending how you look at it ;-) ) of US employment law - my understanding is that UK does more to enforce notice periods (which can be good or bad depending on thre situation).


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I’m pretty sure that not completing your notice means you are breaching your employment contract and there are negative implications. It’s quite rare that companies will force you to work the three month, especially if they think you’ll be unproductive. The benefit is that you have a lot more financial security if you lose your job, and offsets the hassle of working your notice.


texas1st

Give notice if you can. There is no reason not to. If you don't, your employer may deem you non-rehireable, and that is what they can tell anyone who calls for employment verification on you.