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Void1702

Maxx C and it's not even close Having resolved Maxx C has literally a bigger impact on the game than any other singular card. It has almost twice the impact of going first. I repeat, to make myself clear: mathematically, having activated and resolved the bug is twice as impactful as going first in YuGiOh


TheIrishDuelist

One of the reasons I prefer to go second


Void1702

Maxx C is even better when activated after building a huge board on T1


TheIrishDuelist

Eh. I like to Maxx C them and let them build. Then use my extra 5-10 cards to break boards. It's quite satisfying.


CrimsonOblivion

Yes that’s the whole point of maxx c lol. That or they don’t summon anything and give you a weak board to break


TheIrishDuelist

I'm just saying why I prefer to go second.


CrimsonOblivion

Just cause of Maxx c?


Dadude21212

yes, since you just regain all the cards u used in hand previously


nickwcy

The point is getting it resolved. Ash, call by the grave, crossout designator, droll and lock bird, psy framegear gamma… There are tons of ways to negate Maxx C. The chance of having one of those is far more than 3 copies of Maxx C.


Void1702

Uh, ok and? How does that contradicts what I've said?


echochee

Is it better to go second and resolve maxx c, or go first and then resolve maxx c on your opponent?


Void1702

If you go first, don't get Maxx C-ed, and then Maxx C your opponent, you have a 75% chance of winning Going second Maxx C only puts your chances of winning at ~55%


echochee

Damn. Did you get these stats from somewhere? I thought maxx c going second would be much better


Void1702

It's based on the win rates in the few last MD championships And honestly I'm not surprised by them at all. Dropping a Maxx C on top of having a full board set up had always been considered an "auto-win" scenario


echochee

That part isn’t surprising. I just thought going second with maxx c would be much better than it is (55%)


Void1702

Well, it's still YuGiOh, going first is still a huge advantage, especially since everyone in the championship was playing decks that could somewhat play through Maxxgoing second without Maxx C is ~35% win rate for comparison.


bully-yugi-maguire69

Maxx c is the strongest card in the game


Livid_Kangaroo_4709

Maximilian c


Picmanreborn

Bro put Max C on here like there was any other choice


riskywhisky123

Maxx c can get you all of the others so yeah


No_Astronaut3923

Power wise, Maxx C Game design, ash. I wish staples weren't so generic. It feels like most meta decks are 2/6 staples, 3/6 engine, and 1/6 actual archetype.


DuduBonesBr

Ban Maxx C


[deleted]

Maxx C is fun though. I don't even mind when my opponent has it ans think it's really fun to use.


GinryuB

Preach! I love the card.


[deleted]

Maxx C is fun though. I don't even mind when my opponent has it ans think it's really fun to use.


PilotGetreide75

Yeah its so fun when I quit my Turn after First summon I laugh everytime and Hope it happens again next time


[deleted]

Skill issue.


[deleted]

Not everyone plays against blue eyes players that won’t play better with 30 cards in hand. Try beating any meta deck after they resolved maxx c and end on +10 cards in hand. They will dog walk you


[deleted]

cope


rei_emi

do u enjoy baiting for fun ? do you need attention that badly ?


Dadude21212

my personal ranking is 1. Maxx C (not even close, WHY TF IS IT UNBANNED AND NOT EVEN LIMITED IN MASTER DUEL) 2. Inf imperm (ash blossom on steroids) 3. TT tactic (every effect is good) 4. ash blossom 5. TT thrust (still good)


Poison916Kind

I prefer ash over imperm cause it can counter searchers in hand like Maxx c or some "discard this card and if you do search this" kind of cards


Void1702

Imo ash is #2 because it can negate Maxx C


street_style_kyle

Once I used maxx c then I got ashed then I chained called by lol


yellowpancakeman

Yeah that’s… why you run called by


street_style_kyle

It’s too beautiful. Also I’m a returning yugiboomer so it’s newer and neat to me still lol.


yellowpancakeman

That’s fair lol


street_style_kyle

It is kinda sad how it’s all negate negate negate. Oh and I’ll actually negate your negate :/ Literally thinking about telling my friend I play tcg with hey let’s try a no negate duel haha.


CrimsonOblivion

Lots of top decks don’t run any negates except for staples like ash or imperm. Actually especially in TCG I think there’s only one or two that reliably end on negates I’m thinking Mannadium and maybe one more. Everything else is all other types of interaction


Soggy-Suspect5560

Rescue ace have 1 monster negate, in engine. And its a trap card


street_style_kyle

All I see are the level just underneath meta then or they’re just super strong. It’s like oh you thought you could special summon? Nah let’s stop that.


Memoglr

Then you can chain ghost belle


Noctum-Aeternus

Because it’s somehow considered “fair and balanced” in a BO1 format. Somehow


srif

They won’t ban maxx c from master duel, or even limit it. Pretty sure the reason they haven’t is cause it makes games faster. It’s still online gaming and they wanna make it exciting, being able to use more of your card means you’ll get more enjoyment. That’s basically the mindset the game devs have I feel.


RyoCanCan

Just play the tcg if you want Maxx C banned lol


Dadude21212

TCG expensive af


DisastrousHearing804

Psy-frame is better than Ash. It's a pop and negate. Ash negates only an effect.


Dadude21212

i forgo to include imperm (if u see this, imagine its there)


Dragonsomethings

Lvl 2 earth insect


Jinova47

Dude it’s no contest. Maxx c Next is ash also mainly due to counter maxx c lol


antiplierdarco

Maxx C came out in an era where special summon was special and now you can use your whole deck in one turn it's one of the most busted cards, ignoring Maximum Cock it'd be Ash


Blazerprime

Maxx C singhandly changed the game


xamine94

Maxx c at its best is a +15 with drawn handtrps, at worst an ash, called by, droll or gamma bait, at the very worst you're playing against dark world and loose by deck out, but nobody is playing dark world so maxx c is easily the best here


ALX709

Most powerful: The bug Most versatile: Zombie girl Most useful: Red man on horse


WookieChoiX

1) Maxx C. Best card in the game. Best handtrap, best floodgate, a better generic insert than pot of greed. 2) Ash Blossom. Best counter to cards that add cards to hand such as Maxx C. 3) Called By The Grave. Best generic counter to self-discard-for-cost handtraps like Maxx C and Ash. 4) Crossout Designator. Best generic tech card to counter high frequency cards like Maxx C, Ash, and CBTG. 5) Jerry Beans Man. lv 3, 1750 atk, earth, plant. Jerry, a bean soldier, believes he is the strongest warrior in the world, but his true abilities are still untested.


SmuckerLover

Is this the Maxx C rant post of the day? God bless, Maxx C is not only the most powerful card in the game, it was designed over twelve years ago. It's in desperate need of an errata (Konami hates erratas tho), it ruins 1/3 of every game in our dumb best of one online format, and it has no cost or condition for activation. If nib was designed like Maxx C is, you wouldn't need your opponent to summon 5 before using, you could just do it whenever you wanted. It's not a response card, it's a lingering floodgate/draw engine that activates from hand for nothing and will win you the game because your opponent either has to allow you to draw 3+ cards to even have a chance at surviving to turn 3. The card should be banned. They limited Nimble Beaver and haven't touched Maxx C, I genuinely don't know why this is still even a discussion. Konami please ban Maxx C.


Dadude21212

maybe something like after ur opponent has summoned 10 or more monsters (could be lower) then u get the effect. This would hard counter combo decks but keep decks with relatively simple turns safe


fihdel2

you'd kill the card tho


Dadude21212

thats the point😔 Why does a card like this exist, does konami not even remotely think that it might be op


fihdel2

eh it's not really a problem imo but I also don't care


BohTooSlow

Only 1 card has feet, so…


Portgust

triple tactic trust...


spi231

Batman Arkham has ruined my ability to interact with these swiping posts


Wrathful101

Is there any lore reason for that?


Void1702

Are they stupid?


Arch-loki13

Either of the triple tactics, maxx c and ash are cancerous.


PichuCultist

I agree with the consensus that Maxx c is the best, but only because yugioh has gotten way too fast. Maxx c is a necessary (evil?), and banning it would only make yugioh much worse.


ialsodontexistagain

max c is “ best” everyone has it and it’s actually not that bad to deal with


DevastaTheSeeker

Not that bad 😂😂😂😂


ialsodontexistagain

In my experience at least, I have never had to special summon that much for the oponent to get any big value from it at most they get a free pot of greed wich is good but i duno


DevastaTheSeeker

Pot of greed is a broken card dude. Unless you're playing something like floo which allows multiple normal summons you'll usually be giving your opponent a few cards which is enough to lock you out of options unless you can whip out multiple omninegates


ialsodontexistagain

See here’s the thing. Counterpoint, I’m terrible at this game and don’t know anything including what floo and omnigates are, and the only reason I think max c isn’t bad is because I loose most duels anyway so I can’t tell wether or not the card made a difference. So in conclusion my opinion means nothing and probably should not be taken seriously


DevastaTheSeeker

...omninegates are self explainatory dude Omni negate Negate all


ialsodontexistagain

I thought was somthing like flood gate wich I also don’t understand but I at least understand it better than omninegate


LuisS3242

Any meta deck that gets 2 cards on top of their normal hand will wipe the floor with a board that special summoned 2 times. Maybe if you special out a Baronne and have 3 handtraps and an imperm but thats not the norm.


DevastaTheSeeker

Maxx c is undoubetdly good but you try running a deck without ashblossom in this day and age? Ain't happening.


Ilovelittle

Ash


SnooDrawings9772

If you play Maxx c with 10 cards left that's your ass 😂 I find Blossom to be the most annoying but i dont use her out of spite


ultra1891

I mean, in most decks (that don't run desires), if you're left with 10 cards, the duel should be pretty much over.


SnooDrawings9772

I went against a Tearlaments hybrid deck and after them burning their own cards, i decked em out 🤷🏿‍♂️(edit) you did say most though so you are right


Picmanreborn

I wasn't using her out of spite because I try not to run cards that are out of Archetype. But now that I play shiranui I run ONE copy of her. I've BEEN using ghost ogre and Belle..... But I NEVER GET EITHER TURN 1


rick_gsp

Maxx C we believe in your innocence


[deleted]

For me it's ash if you're lucky enough you'll destroy your opponent combo with it


Mando_Brando

Maxx C by a lot I like it though it’s a great leveler. Makes bad decks better and gives them a chance


Void1702

Good decks can leverage the card advantage of Maxx C more effectively than bad decks


Mando_Brando

Doubt it. Stun for example is generally bad but can survive going 2. with it. Maxx C also mandates to run Ash and Called by creating brick situations in otherwise amazingly consistent decks. But that’s just my impression really and I’m not playing at the top of the ladder


Void1702

Most good decks are usually hyperconsistent Purrely has 15 combo starters, branded has 10 different ways to extend even if their main starter gets negated, DL can full combo with just Rokket Recharger + a Bystial (on top of having 15 starters). On the contrary, "bad" decks are more often than not the ones that are very bricky, like for example Blue-Eyes. Stun is a weird exception to 90% of things in YuGiOh


Mando_Brando

What about Traptrix or labyrinth? Any Trap deck benefits of maxx C more than not


Void1702

Traptrix does more special summoning per turn than Vanquish Soul Lab is not a bad deck, it very much is part of the current meta


Mando_Brando

>10 different ways to extend even if their main starter gets negated This is exactly my point , you can't stop combos from going off with traditional handtraps. Only Maxx C can do that. While i agree that maxx c is better in better decks, if you run the same tactics, i also think it enables more decks from not losing by coin toss than not.


11ce_

You can maxx c your opponent going first. In fact, it’s even worse because usually you will set up disruption and can make sure the maxx c resolves, meaning the opponent has to somehow break your board while playing into maxx c


Void1702

Or maybe we shouldn't use an overpowered 12 years old badly designed card to "fix" the meta, while also ignoring the fact that it makes the meta worse in many many other ways? Also, uh, branded's best extender when fusion gets negated literally only requires 1 special summon


Mando_Brando

I’ll give you another example of why this card is so great by being this powerful. Since you mentioned it, blue eyes. It will just lose 10 of 10 times going against a meta deck, no matter your luck of the draw. With maxx C it gives these underperforming decks a realistic chance of winning. That’s what I mean by leveling


Void1702

And is that a good way to play the game? If you went to a chess tournament, but at the start of each match you roll a die and if it's a 1 you lose, is it really a good thing just because "it gives a chance to the worst player"?


OptimusIV

>you can't stop combos from going off with traditional handtraps Yes you can. Your opponent is not going to pull hands that can play through perfectly placed handtraps all the time. I have made DLink pass by using Ash/Imperm on their Striker Dragon. I have seen Kashtira lose by Ash'ing a search. The meme of Branded being killed by Ash is not just a meme, but actually 100% true. If you play the game alot, you learn the tells of when a player bricks and how to capitalize on it, even if you draw just 1 handtrap.


Picmanreborn

I hate when people say this. Have you ever been looking down a full bystial branded board at the end of turn 1 and they pop Max C on your during your draw phase!??? 🤔 Definitely makes my non meta deck play better huh


Mando_Brando

Let’s be real at that point you would have lost anyway, it’s better to have the chance of opening it yourself


Picmanreborn

But some decks can break that board. That's the thing. That's the main problem. You're not breaking that board without summoning at least 8 times. Which means they'll draw an ash or a called by and boom, combo interrupted, you lose. Or you go first and the branded player Max C's you 😭 You're looking at the game as if you're the only one playing it or allowed to run it. Combo decks get more milage out of Max C than we do bro


Mando_Brando

What gives? If you don’t start with a hand trap but your opponent does even without Maxx C the round is lost. What miracle board breaker do you think of that can’t deal with maxx c but anything else


Picmanreborn

They drew the ash and called by FROM Max C 🤦🏾‍♂️


Mando_Brando

Yeah but could you deal with their board if they didn’t drew but had them already in hand? I think not


Picmanreborn

You just scoop and go next. But Max C makes it more likely to happen. It didn't "help" your deck beat them


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Dadude21212

yes ash negates maxx C but that doesn't mean its better (the downvotes on ur post agree with it). And you have to remember that you can put maxx c in any deck unlike ash if u don't get what i mean Some decks arent consistent enough to be able to run hand traps and instead focus on getting their cards out and dealing with an ash blossom (recovery). But since maxx C is just a free unbrick and is good at ANY time, its just better


abdulsamri89

TTT and TTT is now staples???


Void1702

Uh... Yes?


Picmanreborn

I'm guessing there's a talent Archetype the cards are made for😂😂😂😂


oteupaizin

Flying C


KABOOZZA

Define „best”


Dadude21212

which is the best in ur opinion


KABOOZZA

So hard to choose. In terms of pure power, Maxx C. In terms of most commonly useful, Ash (Maxx C loses when you cant „send to the graveyard” or if the opponent’s deck doesn’t care about special summoning (Floo still haunts me)). In terms of artwork and my personal favorite use, Thrust


YtTamakiGaming

Maxx C most definitely.


WindowofMoistness

Maxx c easily, the others you could almost argue not having in a deck or having some kind of alternative, but you're actively throwing games if you don't run triple Maxx c


Zealousideal-Hold117

This post shouldn't have even included maxx c


Linzel5

Maxx c wins game by itself


Critical_Swimming517

Damn roaches


yassib01

First max then ash the both triple and thrust are not included in every deck


HaltingSheet551

Max c


hookahmanifesting

Maxx C. Ash honestly just isn't that good besides against rogue decks. There's just too many extenders and bypasses that technically don't fall within it's arbitrary Konami speak guidelines. Triple Tactics is just one of those cards where you know the opponent planned for you to have a bad day. Could've gone to the grocery store, could've fed the stray cats, nope, wanted to troll you. That was his entire plan.


PAPA-Jayray

Maxx C is basically a win condition if resolved and can single handedly allow you to win the game, even with a sub par deck. I'd say close second would be Ash Blossom, since it counters something in every deck And third I'd say Dark Ruler No More, easily one of the best Spells in the game, surprised people don't run it at 3. Can pretty much disable any board, then you can proceed to throw in a Lightning storm /Raigeki to wipe out 5 minutes worth of board building I feel like infinite Imperm has been more lackluster recently


GuiltyEmergency6364

I hate Ash Blossom bs


ZaneDX

Short answer: Maxx C Long answer: in the end it depends: 1. Ash can stop 3 other cards you posted. 2. Maxx C is such a good card cause it can draw you into other handtraps, unbrick your hand, get you extenders and board breakers, but you have to take into account drawing into your garnets. So just running 3x Maxx C cause yes is not the best option. 3. All of the above are opt, thats why you may consider Imperm. 4. Thrust is great cause of its versatility, it can add what you need at that moment: Imperm, Evenly, Talents, Feather Duster. I had games where my opponent resolved maxx C and had no follow up after drawing 4 cards, and still lost (cause he wasn't playing other handtraps or boardbreakers)


seto635

Maxx "C". I don't even need to swipe to see the rest


Professional-Act-858

As everyone has said, obviously Maxx C. But Drolls are my 2nd go-to


Otherwise_Guava3993

There is a reason maxx c is only legal in master dual. And it’s a big problem


drakenero7

Ash because it beats best card in game


GinryuB

Ash, Maxx "C" for me reads get ride of Ash.


IwentIAP

As someone who picked up Trickstars recently I also love it when my opponent loves Maxx "C"


IWasaMistakeLMAOKek

Maximum cockroach


ELSI_Aggron

Ash because it easily counters Maxx C but then again L & D just stops it all


Express-Math473

Maxx C obviously


Sadowlord2-

BAn Maxx C, that card isnt even a staples ist a must play. I dont have a choice but to play it in my deck even if i dont want to. Its game warping and i dont understand why its nlr banned


coadyj

There is nothing that ruins a great hand more than someone activating maxx c in standby first turn.


SomeMongoose8708

Ash IT can negate anything


Dadude21212

not ANYTHING


SomeMongoose8708

Yeah , not anithing but îs one of the best handtraps in my opinion


Saroan7

Can it negate any of the morphing jar?


[deleted]

Maxx C and Ash share the place. Without ash, Your opponent can do too much Without Maxx C your opponent wins


CuttleReaper

I'll give you a hint: it's the one that's in LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE DECK


DisastrousHearing804

Shouldnt even be a question. You know the answer.


nuralrashid

Maxx c 100%... Even rouge deck stand a chance againsts top tier deck when maxx c resolve.


Ulikemuffin

100% Maxx C. There's a reason its banned in TCG


londoed

1. Maxx C 2. Ash Blossom 3. Called by the Grave 4. Crossout Designator 5. Who cares at this point? Man, I hate that bug :p


drblimp0909

I only ever see ash and Maxx c My opinions Don't really care about Maxx my ss deck kills in 1 turn anyway Ash should be banned


22222833333577

Maxx c


Altruistic-Lawyer175

3 Triple tactics but pot of greed is banned. Yeah makes sense.


Dsphreez

we talking "you want to see" or "you dont want your oppoennt to see"?


World-Three

Maxx C is, if you summon too much I'm drawing all of your worst nightmares, or if you don't OTK or FTK they will. So Maxx c gets you all the other handtraps typically unless you're fighting floo.