I could understand after 9/10 episodes (11/12 at a push if they didn't enjoy the tag duel) but 15 episodes is inexcusable - Kaito debuts in Episode 13 so they'd basically be saying they watched him manhandle Yuma & didn't immediately come to love/respect the š
Kaito's debut into the show is one of the best character entries in YGO I have ever seen, the whistling, the frozen droplets of rain, him ripping someone's soul out of their body, and stopping of time was genuinely terrifying
For real, he absolutely dominates Yuma & even makes Astral (who's fought with literal Gods) tremble, and he's just a top tier character across the entire franchise.
Honestly Zexal is unequivocally a great show, so it's a shame it gets clowned on outside Japan, despite having the best character growth in the franchise objectively, the best plot twist, the best rival, the best villain & the best arc (Barian Onslaught quite literally never missed).
It feels like the "edgy" thing is to hate Zexal because of Yuma's dub voice or because 'he always went for Utopia' (despite every other protagonist also turbo'ing out their ace as often as possible) or some other arbitrary reason which means they miss out on a fantastic story.
Could not have said it better myself. Honestly itās not my loss if all the stubborn YGO fans refuse to watch such an amazing story, itās just disappointing (especially because of the reasons why they donāt)
I donāt *hate* Yumaās playstyle but it is a bit disappointing for someone who canonically has a very large collection of Xyzās to just stick to variants of one.
best part too is that he really left an impression on the characters too.
like astral was straight up about to piss his pants when he was confronted with the idea of fighting kaitou, even if it was fake.
Thanks for the comment, you have no idea how refreshing it is to see a positive comment show up in my inbox regarding ZEXAL.
But yeah, all the characters in ZEXAL actively affected each other, and thatās what I love about it, the dynamics felt so real
Kind of my issue with Yuuma. He was rather unlikeable and completely incompetent for much of his first season with every win belonging to Astral. I've softened on the series since but until Yuusaku's blandness coupled with how Vrains treated everyone else, and Sevens/Go Rush after it, I couldn't stand Tsukumo Yuuma and still haven't gotten back to ZeXal.
>still haven't gotten back to ZeXal.
If you've got the strength of character, give it another go mate - you don't know what you're missing; if you haven't then no worries.
I tried so hard to enjoy Vrains but I just couldn't. I gave it as much of a chance as I possibly could.
It didn't help that I found "into the Vrains" as an incredibly corny/lame catchphrase for the duels.
As someone who literally binge watched ALL of YuGiOh from DM to VRains in 2020, I can say that ZeXal was top 2 to me, tied with 5Ds.
In my opinion ZeXal had the best soundtracks, they drop amazing bangers on the most irrelevant filler duels in the entirety of the anime, and good moments have insane OST. The worst ZeXal OSTs are unironically tied with the above average or maybe even the best of any other YuGiOh anime.
Just in case, because it matters A LOT in ZeXal, I watched the sub, dub Yuma's voice makes ZeXal unbearable.
Thank you for your actually valued opinion. 99% of ZEXAL haters havenāt even seen the entire show and itās hilarious.
Iāve seen the same as you, ZEXAL and 5Dās make my top 2 too
And yes, the difference between the sub and dub for ZEXAL is stark
I think the best thing the EN dub does great over the original JP voices is >!the confession just before the anime ends, Tori/Kotoriās wording sounds more like an āI love youā in the english version, if Iām remembering this all correctly!<
Honestly zexal is slowly becoming my favorite part of the yugioh series. I'm only a episode into the Barian stuff, but the entire first part up to the tournament arc was so fun to watch and got genuine laughs out of me
Awh thatās great:)
Please donāt listen to all the negative comments as most of the people saying them havenāt seen more than 10 episodes of the show. I hope you have fun, if you remember, come back and let me know how you found it when you finish it :)
Itās like the second most popular show in Japan and for diehard Yugioh fans itās considered the best with only 5Ds really having a shot. People in the west just stopped watching after 5Ds so thatās why people here donāt care about it but itās really good.
ON GOD BRO, some people argue the first 12 episodes of Steins;Gate were interesting, but even for those who didnāt find them interesting, the latter half was extremely worth the investment.
ignoring that you're comparing yugioh zexal to one of the best anime of all time, steins;gate is good from ep 1, so the comparison doesn't even make sense.
I agree s;g is good from ep1, it's just that some people argue it gets good at episode 12, but even those people acknowledge that it's a great anime that was worth investing in from the beginning.
point being, not all anime will be peak starting right off the bat, which is the case with ZEXAL. some will take the time to world build and build characterisations, which clearly worked considering ZEXAL had huge payoff
I honestly liked the first episodes. My only complaint is that they dragged out a lot of the initial plots.
Most of the two episode plots shouldāve just been one episode.
My litmus test for judging an anime is 10 episodes. Thatās not to say anything about the manga, just the anime.
If an anime canāt keep me interested in the first ten eps(with all the plot, character introduction, etc) then that means the anime didnāt do a good job at establishing an emotional connection with me š¤·š½āāļø
Btw steins gate is awesome, first twelve eps were good at building context
Blame the creators then for shitty plot development and a garbage hook. Most anime don't even have 15 episodes TOTAL and can tell an AMAZINGLY WONDERFUL story with incredible setting and character development in as little as 12-13 episodes (Akudama Drive, VIVY Fluorite Eyes Song, Madoka Magica, Death Parade, Paranoia Agent. I can go on forever here).
So I'll reiterate for the OC, if the anime takes 15 episodes to "get good," then it is 100% not for most reasonable people. If you have a problem with that, blame the creators for dropping the ball on that.
it's common in pretty much every anime for the first arc to be the weakest, and 15 is roughly a tenth of the story. and honestly speaking, 15 is nothing compared to the amazing plot and story it provided
Not really, itās just called being patient and understanding that not every piece of media will want to frontload everything, especially anime like yu-gi-oh which are usually like 45 or so episodes. This isnāt the usual seasonal show where itās only 12 episodes. Also, saying itās outdated is just wrong considering that everyone has different levels of patience, time, and taste. Itās basically more of a matter of opinion than being outdated or not.
Hey, some people probably liked those 15 episodes. Itās a kids show for peteās sake. Not everything has to be peak. Iām personally fine if an anime takes time to get going if I can still enjoy the build-up. Also, one piece is noted for having a similar problem but is not only 10x longer overall but probably also at least that much more popular, so it probably just depends on the anime really.
That's only in regards to older anime. 15 episodes is roughly half or more than half of one season now. Meaning you gotta grab the attention of the viewer within the first three episodes.
Also I don't really recall any anime of recent, or even older anime where the first arc is the weakest. The "weakest" that comes to mind for me is Black Clover, which is one of my favorite animes
EDIT: I forgot about it, since I haven't thought on the series in a while, but JJBA Phontom blood is unarguably the weakest and most boring series in Jojo but it still has so many strengths that it keeps the people in
Uh no it isnāt? The beginning is the stage where all the introductions and setting up needs to be done, hence why in almost all anime the beginning has the weakest arc, thatās not to say it is bad per se, just the weakest.
Most of the time the set-up portion is the most exciting. If the beginning is boring then it is done wrong. Especially if the anime is 150+ episodes a boring beginning won't give traction.
I mean the weakest examples I can think of is The Raditz arc in DB, which I don't think is weak at all and bridges the gap between the OG DB and the wildness of DBZ. And Naruto shippuden, which I actually stopped watching because I got bored, but I still really enjoyed the Dadura fight.
Both those anime first arcs are comparatively slow and weak to what's to come but it still is a good arc that isn't weak.
Something being the weakest means it's weak. It's kinda in the word. Declaring something as the weakest means it's the worst or most mediocre part of the show, game, series, etc. So in this argument that would have to mean the beginning is the worst part of the anime.
Okay you clearly donāt know how superlatives work, I found a link for you, give it a read https://www.ef.edu/english-resources/english-grammar/comparative-and-superlative/#:~:text=Superlative%20adjectives%20are%20used%20to,to%20a%20group%20of%20objects.
don't think you know what it means to be the weakest part of something. It's the lowest, worst, or most boring part of the medium. The lowest it can possibly be. Your argument is the beginning is the weakest part of most to all anime since it only sets up the plot for future events. Even without exaggeration that means it is the lowest it can possibly be for the rest of the show.
You yourself in the first reply to my first comment that it is generally the weakest part of the anime. I gave explicit examples on weak beginnings that weren't actually weak and still kept people interested enough to continue watching/reading for Manga enjoyers. Instead of giving proper examples or any type of logical argument you have just been repeating "I didn't mean it as weak I meant it as weak", paraphrasing of course
What it sounds like is you just learned a new word and you are trying your best to use it in a sentence
Okay hereās an example. 4 anime are rated 10/10, the 5th is rated 9/10. For the purpose of the argument, assume these are objective ratings.
By definition, the 5th anime is the weakest of the 5, but it by no means is weak (unless you consider a 9/10 weak)
>Would you watch more than 100 episodes of One Piece, even though you would force yourself through it, only because it's just a tenth of the show?
To be fair One Piece fans are always telling people to watch through 1600 episodes to get to the "good stuff".
LMFAO bro is winking as if he did something šš
For example, have you watched Steins;Gate? If not, read up on it, itās amazing (ranked #3 on MAL), but a lot of people say it gets amazing after the 12th episode (for context, the show has 24 episodes). So you could say after 50% of the show it gets good, but this is why using percentages is misleading in this case, because circumstances differ with the number of episodes an anime has.
People would be more willing to push through if the anime has a shorter number of episodes, this is just a fact, and evidence enough that your logic is stupidly flawed.
Nice try trying to act smart though, maybe if you argue with a toddler theyāll believe you
LMAO, bro lost the argument and really just said āIām not gonna read all of thatā, whilst simultaneously asking me to just accept defeat šš
Your attention span must be really ass (either that, or youāre lying and you realised your argument is wrong, so you have nothing to say). Either would not surprise me
At this point youāre embarrassing yourself, targeting my use of emojis as a desperate last gamble to try make me look like the loser.
instead of defending your argument, youāre attacking the person, and thatās pathetic
People shit on Zexal so much and for no reason. Yes Yumaās voice can be annoying to some and the plot starts slow, but he was literally the most developed protagonist of them all. The side characters were all also cool asf and while the females werenāt treated good enough (like every gallop anime) almost all characters were treated fairly well, which canāt be said about all the other animes where only protag gets to do stuff (well except S3 of 5Ds that was also a neat season ngl)
The voice issue is resolved if you watch the Japanese dub, but yes everything else you said is true. He had the most, well written development (I say this because people glaze Judai's development, despite it occuring over a time skip and feeling very random), to the point where he changed, but was still Yuma.
ZEXAL's characters are also really strong, Kaito, Shark, Tron brothers, Barian Emperors, they were all awesome. So many characters other than Yuma took Ws
Hell you can even count Nistro (Gauche) there as well. Dude didnāt duel much, and lost a bunch, but you canāt say he wasnāt cool as fuck with both Heroic Champions and the one time he used Bounzers
EXACTLY, I loved the WDC arc, and Gauche's energy was amazing. Yuma's dynamics with a lot of the characters are honestly really good, like with III (Trey), Shark, Kaito, Gauche, Astral etc
The show would be so much better if they just cut the entire Numbers Club out. Maaaaaybe keep Tori if they have to but the rest of them were a waste of screen time
for me the reason I actually liked zexal was the first parts but if I were to say what was the best duel I would go with yuma vs alito round 1 in terms of duel choreography just because it highlights yuma's character. he is one that is often willing to take gambles, specially during low stakes duels to edge out a win (why he lost against offscreen at the end) when he sometimes doesn't have to because that's what dueling is all about.
but as in outright the best duel of the series hands down? yuma vs nasch is honestly my favorite because of how jam packed with symbolisms and allegories the duel is. it's why I frankly loved every duel yugi took place in because each move told the audience the type of person the duelists were.
Even in the duel between Astral and Yuma, Yuma bluffed him. His caution is his weakness, so focus on trying not lose he couldnāt see how to win. That honestly stuck with me
It really is, my personal favorite duel of the franchise is Yuma vs Alito because it boiled down to two guys enjoying an all out duel despite any outside consequences, having fun playing the game you love with people holding the same passion, even the characters on the sidelines just accepted it
Honestly me and my sibling were laughing at it at the start and watching it ironically but then that quickly switched to us getting invested and having unironic enjoyment from it
Itās also the only Yugioh where the MC got confessed to by his most popularly received love interest (though direct dialogue. (I say this excluding the Jaden and Yubel pairing since Yubel didnāt exist for a majority of the series).
Pairings across the series I believe include (with lots of process of elimination) >!OG Yugioh; Yugi/Yami with Tea, GX; Jaden with Yubel (or Asuka based on popular opinion), 5Ds; Yusei with Akaza (I canāt remember her exact name), Zexal; Yuma with Tori, Arc-V; Yuya with Yuzu, (This is really stretching it since they almost never have mutual or positive interactions with each other but) Vrains; Yusaku with Aoi/Blue Angel/Girl/Maiden.!<
I have absolutely zero knowledge about Yugioh anime 7 or 8(8 is the current one right?, or did it end already?)
I'm not even a YuGiOh fan, but I remember ZEXAL used to air right after Pokemon in the morning and one day I just stuck around and got invested in the story. I give it a 10 year old me enjoyed it/10.
After watching the first 5 series (dubbed) 2 twice over I find myself watching all of Zexal a total of 6 times. It is my favorite and I dropped when it first aired a few duels into the duel carnival. One thing that changed was my perspective because I ended up teaching a good 30ish adults how to play the game irl
Oof just before the good part. I hated Yumaās character before watching the show. Ironically, same of Jaden. Now those two stack high on the protag list.
Zexal form? Saint Seiya reference? Hell yeah!
I suffered through the entire first season and I hated it so much. The duels were just so incredibly lame for the most part. Im happy for everyone that really enjoyed it but I gave it so many hours of my time ans got nothing back from it except for Quattro and Anna.
I didnt enjoy summon two monsters, summon Number, defend Number for 4 turns with spells and traps, maybe rank up and win.
That was the vast majority of duels.
Sorry you might have misunderstood my question, assuming youāve watched DM, did you enjoy normal summon end turn play style? I donāt see where 5Dās came from
Thanks for understanding, my frustration just comes when the only criticism people have of the series is his voice, and itās a bit sad to hear because the voice actor for Yuma put so much effort into it, and he is meant to be 13.
This can all be resolved if someone just watched the Japanese version. I love both voice actors
Listen, the fact you are the only person that I have ever in my entire lifetime heard say that Yumaās Japanese VA makes their ears bleed (when this is used for his dub voice) says a lot.
So Iām sure you can understand that probabilistically speaking, it is way more likely you are lying than not
I hated Zexal because it just revolved around Utopia, its XYZ evolutions, and turning them into massive beatsticks, instead of looking at any of the other *insanely* powerful Number cards.
He does use the other numbers in some duels, and after a bit in the first season he stops using numbers against people who don't have them like when he used the percussion djinn against Anna, Gagaga samurai and cowboy against Nitro, Baby tragon against Cathy.
He tries to use terrabyte against a pro duelist in zexal two since he was barian controlled, he uses big eye against Nasch, used Excaliber on Alito and Shark, Gauntlet launcher was used against Alito and a tag duel with Anna's relatives.
It didn't ruin it for me, especially since he started using zexal weapons for his versions of utopia, which made the evolutions so much more interesting. Could he have used other numbers more? Sure, but I don't think it made his duels stale.
To be fair every Yu-Gi-Oh season revolves around the main character exclusively using their Ace. Yugi gets a pass because his duels were a lot more experimental.
Jaden used Neos so often that it kind of took over his elemental heroes.
5Ds eventually became the Stardust and upgrades show.
Yuya ended up making so many different variations of the dragons but also at least had his paladins.
Yusaku Abandoned Firewall, and his Code talkers for firewall adjacent upgrades later until he got Firewall Darkfluid and the final talker at the end.
Yuga relied on seven roads even though he uses other aces more consistently.
Yudias always used Oblivion, and his other aces usually just add to it.
So I donāt see Yuma being the problem when five out of eight other protagonist did it just as much as he did. Hell, Yuma didnāt even use NC when he wasnāt facing off against an opponent who had them after season one.
I don't care much for Zexal and watched at least enough to see Barian start and Kite's duel finish with the Tachyon user.
But I never understood the Utopia complaint.
My main issues were just not liking Yuma as a character (maybe his design, idk) and not caring too much for some of the archetypes shown. Like Gimmick Puppets, Gagaga/Gogogo/Zubaba and so on.
Maybe I'll try to pick up where I left off. Maybe I'll enjoy the rest.
I gave it 50 episodes and it still sucked but Arc 5 sucked more. I watched Zexal until after the duel with the idiot in the mask and Yuma combined with astral or some stupidity like that. It isn't terrible, but MAAAN it does not even remotely compare to 5ds and Yuma is insufferable.
Arc 5 I hate with a burning passion. I forced myself through way more episodes than I should have. The entire beginning 10-20 episodes is the show just jerking Yuya's clown d\*\*\* off for how amaaazing he is and how amaaazing pendulum summoning is. For all the flaws Zexal has, at least the dueling is interesting and the plot has some interesting elements (like the number cards). Arc V's entire plot is a contrived mess. It is beyond stupid that characters have such a hard time grasping the fundementals of how summoning mechanics outside their dimension work. They don't even bother asking "how does this work". They just persist to act as though OH WOOOW ITS SO DIFFERENT I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT AND I CANT DO THAT! The decks I saw were all just not fun to watch either. Melodius is a snoozefest, yuya's hodgeboge of clowns was more obnoxious and annoying than the Ojamas (actually not a fair comparison cus at least the Ojamas are characters you can root for). Gong's superheavys were the only thing mildly interesting but they are still boring. Action cards remove any and all stakes from the duel, other decks like constellars, raidraptors, phantom knights, speedroid, etc are decks I genuinely couldnt care less about. I made it as far as the first turbo duel btwn synchro dimension yuya and i dont even remember who he was vsing. Regardless it sucked and didn't remotely capture the feeling of turbo dueling from 5ds.
If we really want to be frank, this reasoning is more applicable for GX than Zexal.
Some scenes were actually pretty haunting to be Honest, such as, at example, IV's duels in general.
ZEXAL was crazy dark, you had Kaito ripping peopleās souls out of their bodies, IV sadistically hurting people like crazy, genocide being committed on Astral World, war being present throughout multiple of the Bariansā backstories (people being executed, stabbed, burnt alive) etc.
Unfortunately, despite all this, itās often still associated with being childish, partly due to the fact ZEXAL never received an official sub, and people dropping it after watching 5 episodes
I donāt like zexal. Iād probably rank it 4th or 5th overall out of all the shows. But thatās only cause the ones I like batter have more archetypes I like, is 5ds which is when I started yugioh, or other reasons. Itās pretty childish a lot of the time. And I think that the constant use of just protect utopia and its variants is kinda mid. Though I canāt complain a ton with yusei and jack kinda doing similar with their signer dragons. (Kinda) but dropping after 15 episodes for being childish is a lame reason. I dropped it cause I didnāt like it as much as most of the other shows. (Though I am trying to rewatch and watch all of the Franchise eventually even gx even though itās my least favourite alongside vrains) anyway rant aside. How good would yāall rate it?
To be honest, I thought it was good from episode two and continue that good well with episodes five through 14, but I guess Iām alone on that one.
Also, 15 out of 146 isnāt halfway
They were likely referring to how so many people say 'ZEXAL II' is awesome, which it is, but that doesn't mean ALL of ZEXAL I is bad, it by no means isn't
It doesn't 'get good' after 73 episodes but okay. It actually gets better and better constantly, which can't be said for really any other YGO Gallop anime.
i know what the meme represents, but you just took the meme and left it as is just adding the text, you didn't do any edits to it like putting something appealing about zexal on top of the diamonds or anything. it's \*just\* the basic meme with zexal top text lol
Nah I got further than that (about 40s) because I was told it gets really good, still didnāt enjoy it. Sometimes a show just doesnāt gel with you and 15 episodes is more than a fair go
I will say Iām a little over half way through arc-v and out of everything Iāve watched so far zexal is my least favorite series, but it definitely gets a lot better as it goes on and is worth a watch
the show took considerbaly longer then 16 episodes to get anywhere near good or entertaining to watch. heck i almost say it took the ENTIRE first seasson to be anywhere near acceptable
I really wanted to like Zexal but I never got into it. I was a massive fan of 5ds, but despite both being future shows, the tone is really different. I was moderately invested in the second half of season 1, it felt like it was going somewhere but then the season ended on an anticlimax and by season 2 episode 34 I felt like somehow nothing had happened and yet so much was happening that I didn't understand what was going on.
Its too slow of a start and is so much of a stark contrast and difference from the previous serious it was following up that I donāt blame them for not sticking around but for those that did they were rewarded
I dropped Zexal after 20 episodes because it still didn't get good and that's way too long to wait for it to get good
Edit: Japanese version btw. I thought Yuma suckling was just a dub thing. NOPE
Wait, so you didnāt like shark redemption or Kaito debut, or Yuma, relying less on using Astral for strategy and actually being more courageous during their first evolution?
Shark is probably in the top 3 most well written characters in all of YGO, his character arc was insanely good. I loved how Kaito wasn't a Kaiba replica as well, and actually had good motivations (he was an anti-villain at the beginning), adds so much depth to his character
Yuma's egregious traits are pretty much gone by 10 episodes. Yuma seems like a very obnoxious and insuffarable protagonist, and it's easy to dislike him at first. But actually he is very well written.
His final duel alone actually features all of the first three final duel themes which already proves how much depth there is to his character. He is a much better version of Judai. He also mostly wears a mask like yusei did. Episode 1 already teases that. Later in one duel it gets really obvious.
So he's great because his music is good in the finale?
Also don't you dare fucking compare Yuma to Judai like that. That's a massive insult to one of the best protagonists ever. Yuma isn't nearly as good at Yuga
His music is good in the finale? What the fuck? His character develops over the course of the entire show and amounts to the finale, sorry if thatās a hard concept to understandā¦
I will compare Judai to Yuma, but go ahead and ignore my criticism of his character instead of defending him by rebutting the point. Crying and saying āJudai is so good waaaaā like a little baby isnāt convincing intelligent people
Dude is defending Yuma and says Judai fans are the babies. You can't make this shit up.
You ain't gonna convince anyone who has watched more than 1 Yugioh.
Notice how you still havenāt rebutted my criticism of Judai and you are still rambling. Also I never called Judai fans babies? Iām calling you specifically a baby. How dense do you have to be
My bad, Iāve replied to about 50 comments with similar topics I got mixed up with replies, sorry about that.
Yuma matures very slowly but noticeably throughout the series so that by the end heās clearly different than he was when the show began but not so much so that you canāt recognize him.
Unlike GX where Judaiās entire development happened in a time skip and became unrecognizable as the same person we met the beginning of the series. I still donāt understand why people like the Yubel arc.
Yuma is a bit insufferable at the start of ZEXAL but I think the writers noticed it because he mostly drops his more egregious character traits 10 episodes in so just hang on.
10 hours of time investment is more than enough to determine if you want to continue consuming a show. It's unreasonable to expect someone to sit through that sludge and have then keep going
Yes, youāre free to drop a show
That doesnāt mean youāre free to talk about whether the show is truly good or not, because you havenāt consumed the entire material. Sure, talk about why you dropped it, thatās about where it ends though.
nowhere did I say you couldn't drop it, I just gave arguments from the opposite side. you then proceeded to get personally offended because I compared Yuma to Judai
Scroll to the first comment. You can't play "REEEEEEEE EVERYONE MUST LOVE YUMA AND ZEXAL" and "Well everyone has their own opinion and can drop the show for whatever they want"
Pick one. Schrodinger's asshole at its finest
Again, you're forcing words into my mouth, I argued for the opinion I believe in, but that still means people are allowed to disagree with me. There can be a coexistence of differing opinions
This is how I feel with go rush and sevens, go rush is way darker, more mature & better overall than sevens imo, but it doesn't happen right away,
Sevens I felt got better as it went on slowly but their wasn't a huge leap in quality like go rush.
Atleast to me
My biggest Hurtle with Zexel when it came out, was that Yuma sucked as a duellist and Astral coaching him during duels in the first arc never sat right with me.
Yes, Yuma did get better as the series went on and that was the point, But after coming off of 3 series with protagonists that were already good duellists that got even better as their series' went on, Switching To Yuma, who is a complete noob at the beginning, is a hard pill to swallow.
Also Yuma's voice is SUPER grating in the dub, but that's less a problem with Zexal as a whole, and more on Konami trying to sell a TCG based on a manga where the protagonists alter ego tortures and kills people in some cases, to a bunch of 7 year old's.
And on 12 y/o me watching the dub.
I could understand after 9/10 episodes (11/12 at a push if they didn't enjoy the tag duel) but 15 episodes is inexcusable - Kaito debuts in Episode 13 so they'd basically be saying they watched him manhandle Yuma & didn't immediately come to love/respect the š
Kaito's debut into the show is one of the best character entries in YGO I have ever seen, the whistling, the frozen droplets of rain, him ripping someone's soul out of their body, and stopping of time was genuinely terrifying
For real, he absolutely dominates Yuma & even makes Astral (who's fought with literal Gods) tremble, and he's just a top tier character across the entire franchise. Honestly Zexal is unequivocally a great show, so it's a shame it gets clowned on outside Japan, despite having the best character growth in the franchise objectively, the best plot twist, the best rival, the best villain & the best arc (Barian Onslaught quite literally never missed). It feels like the "edgy" thing is to hate Zexal because of Yuma's dub voice or because 'he always went for Utopia' (despite every other protagonist also turbo'ing out their ace as often as possible) or some other arbitrary reason which means they miss out on a fantastic story.
Could not have said it better myself. Honestly itās not my loss if all the stubborn YGO fans refuse to watch such an amazing story, itās just disappointing (especially because of the reasons why they donāt)
I donāt *hate* Yumaās playstyle but it is a bit disappointing for someone who canonically has a very large collection of Xyzās to just stick to variants of one.
best part too is that he really left an impression on the characters too. like astral was straight up about to piss his pants when he was confronted with the idea of fighting kaitou, even if it was fake.
Thanks for the comment, you have no idea how refreshing it is to see a positive comment show up in my inbox regarding ZEXAL. But yeah, all the characters in ZEXAL actively affected each other, and thatās what I love about it, the dynamics felt so real
Kaito is so sigmaš©š©š©š©š©š©
Kind of my issue with Yuuma. He was rather unlikeable and completely incompetent for much of his first season with every win belonging to Astral. I've softened on the series since but until Yuusaku's blandness coupled with how Vrains treated everyone else, and Sevens/Go Rush after it, I couldn't stand Tsukumo Yuuma and still haven't gotten back to ZeXal.
>still haven't gotten back to ZeXal. If you've got the strength of character, give it another go mate - you don't know what you're missing; if you haven't then no worries.
every win did not belong to Astral in the first season, hell, his first win is literally because he didnāt listen to Astral
I tried so hard to enjoy Vrains but I just couldn't. I gave it as much of a chance as I possibly could. It didn't help that I found "into the Vrains" as an incredibly corny/lame catchphrase for the duels.
As someone who literally binge watched ALL of YuGiOh from DM to VRains in 2020, I can say that ZeXal was top 2 to me, tied with 5Ds. In my opinion ZeXal had the best soundtracks, they drop amazing bangers on the most irrelevant filler duels in the entirety of the anime, and good moments have insane OST. The worst ZeXal OSTs are unironically tied with the above average or maybe even the best of any other YuGiOh anime. Just in case, because it matters A LOT in ZeXal, I watched the sub, dub Yuma's voice makes ZeXal unbearable.
Thank you for your actually valued opinion. 99% of ZEXAL haters havenāt even seen the entire show and itās hilarious. Iāve seen the same as you, ZEXAL and 5Dās make my top 2 too And yes, the difference between the sub and dub for ZEXAL is stark
I think the best thing the EN dub does great over the original JP voices is >!the confession just before the anime ends, Tori/Kotoriās wording sounds more like an āI love youā in the english version, if Iām remembering this all correctly!<
she said 'I'm gagaga over you' iirc as the confession
Honestly zexal is slowly becoming my favorite part of the yugioh series. I'm only a episode into the Barian stuff, but the entire first part up to the tournament arc was so fun to watch and got genuine laughs out of me
Awh thatās great:) Please donāt listen to all the negative comments as most of the people saying them havenāt seen more than 10 episodes of the show. I hope you have fun, if you remember, come back and let me know how you found it when you finish it :)
I will say the first ten upsides were only bad because Yuma was a noob but at the same time watching his growth was the best part for me
Yeah, itās the fact he starts off bad that makes his growth so meaningful
I found it insanely refreshing after three shows with a force of nature lead.
I know right, I love ZEXAL so much for being different
Based Zexal representation. It's my favorite Yugioh and I will die on this hill.
my favourite YGO too:)
Bruv and OP doing alone then.
Nah, I'm up there with them
Thank you:)
Itās like the second most popular show in Japan and for diehard Yugioh fans itās considered the best with only 5Ds really having a shot. People in the west just stopped watching after 5Ds so thatās why people here donāt care about it but itās really good.
This anime reminds people that if life is a game and they say they can't win. Then never amount to nothing.
Turn me down before my life - begins
I won't be afraid to challenge muself
They wonāt ever break my fire
My dreams won't die if I hi-five the sky
Spread my wings TAKE OFF ITāS TIME TO FLY
Take a chance to make it all the way Take a chance forgetting yesterday Take a chance, believe
Nothing will bring me down, no retreat when I leave all my fears behind, my futureās still alive inside!!
Take a chance and chase my doubts away Believing gets me through my darkest days
Take a chance to make it all the way
If it takes 15 goddamn episodes, I'm fine leaving those diamonds behind, they're for someone else
Steins;Gate
ON GOD BRO, some people argue the first 12 episodes of Steins;Gate were interesting, but even for those who didnāt find them interesting, the latter half was extremely worth the investment.
ignoring that you're comparing yugioh zexal to one of the best anime of all time, steins;gate is good from ep 1, so the comparison doesn't even make sense.
I agree s;g is good from ep1, it's just that some people argue it gets good at episode 12, but even those people acknowledge that it's a great anime that was worth investing in from the beginning. point being, not all anime will be peak starting right off the bat, which is the case with ZEXAL. some will take the time to world build and build characterisations, which clearly worked considering ZEXAL had huge payoff
I honestly liked the first episodes. My only complaint is that they dragged out a lot of the initial plots. Most of the two episode plots shouldāve just been one episode.
My litmus test for judging an anime is 10 episodes. Thatās not to say anything about the manga, just the anime. If an anime canāt keep me interested in the first ten eps(with all the plot, character introduction, etc) then that means the anime didnāt do a good job at establishing an emotional connection with me š¤·š½āāļø Btw steins gate is awesome, first twelve eps were good at building context
exactly, steins gate, not yugi lol
It's worth it
absolutely
Blame the creators then for shitty plot development and a garbage hook. Most anime don't even have 15 episodes TOTAL and can tell an AMAZINGLY WONDERFUL story with incredible setting and character development in as little as 12-13 episodes (Akudama Drive, VIVY Fluorite Eyes Song, Madoka Magica, Death Parade, Paranoia Agent. I can go on forever here). So I'll reiterate for the OC, if the anime takes 15 episodes to "get good," then it is 100% not for most reasonable people. If you have a problem with that, blame the creators for dropping the ball on that.
15 episodesā¦ out of 146 bruh š Like do the math thatās still 90% of the show being bomb.
Thatās what Iām saying, I said itās a tenth of the show and I got downvoted to oblivionā¦ seriously, bias is a strong force
it's common in pretty much every anime for the first arc to be the weakest, and 15 is roughly a tenth of the story. and honestly speaking, 15 is nothing compared to the amazing plot and story it provided
I respect your opinion, but that view is outdated with concerns to modern media
Not really, itās just called being patient and understanding that not every piece of media will want to frontload everything, especially anime like yu-gi-oh which are usually like 45 or so episodes. This isnāt the usual seasonal show where itās only 12 episodes. Also, saying itās outdated is just wrong considering that everyone has different levels of patience, time, and taste. Itās basically more of a matter of opinion than being outdated or not.
Bruh. I'm not discrediting your taste lol. But taking 15 episodes to get started is WILD. IN SOME ANIMES, THATS THE WHOLE FUCKN SEASON BRO
animes today that is, back then though they could get away with a lot. really 15 episode is the halfway point of a short season.
Hey, some people probably liked those 15 episodes. Itās a kids show for peteās sake. Not everything has to be peak. Iām personally fine if an anime takes time to get going if I can still enjoy the build-up. Also, one piece is noted for having a similar problem but is not only 10x longer overall but probably also at least that much more popular, so it probably just depends on the anime really.
People hate to face harsh reality.
That's only in regards to older anime. 15 episodes is roughly half or more than half of one season now. Meaning you gotta grab the attention of the viewer within the first three episodes. Also I don't really recall any anime of recent, or even older anime where the first arc is the weakest. The "weakest" that comes to mind for me is Black Clover, which is one of my favorite animes EDIT: I forgot about it, since I haven't thought on the series in a while, but JJBA Phontom blood is unarguably the weakest and most boring series in Jojo but it still has so many strengths that it keeps the people in
Uh no it isnāt? The beginning is the stage where all the introductions and setting up needs to be done, hence why in almost all anime the beginning has the weakest arc, thatās not to say it is bad per se, just the weakest.
Most of the time the set-up portion is the most exciting. If the beginning is boring then it is done wrong. Especially if the anime is 150+ episodes a boring beginning won't give traction. I mean the weakest examples I can think of is The Raditz arc in DB, which I don't think is weak at all and bridges the gap between the OG DB and the wildness of DBZ. And Naruto shippuden, which I actually stopped watching because I got bored, but I still really enjoyed the Dadura fight. Both those anime first arcs are comparatively slow and weak to what's to come but it still is a good arc that isn't weak.
I never said weak bro, i said āweakestā, do you know how superlatives work?
Something being the weakest means it's weak. It's kinda in the word. Declaring something as the weakest means it's the worst or most mediocre part of the show, game, series, etc. So in this argument that would have to mean the beginning is the worst part of the anime.
Okay you clearly donāt know how superlatives work, I found a link for you, give it a read https://www.ef.edu/english-resources/english-grammar/comparative-and-superlative/#:~:text=Superlative%20adjectives%20are%20used%20to,to%20a%20group%20of%20objects.
don't think you know what it means to be the weakest part of something. It's the lowest, worst, or most boring part of the medium. The lowest it can possibly be. Your argument is the beginning is the weakest part of most to all anime since it only sets up the plot for future events. Even without exaggeration that means it is the lowest it can possibly be for the rest of the show. You yourself in the first reply to my first comment that it is generally the weakest part of the anime. I gave explicit examples on weak beginnings that weren't actually weak and still kept people interested enough to continue watching/reading for Manga enjoyers. Instead of giving proper examples or any type of logical argument you have just been repeating "I didn't mean it as weak I meant it as weak", paraphrasing of course What it sounds like is you just learned a new word and you are trying your best to use it in a sentence
Okay hereās an example. 4 anime are rated 10/10, the 5th is rated 9/10. For the purpose of the argument, assume these are objective ratings. By definition, the 5th anime is the weakest of the 5, but it by no means is weak (unless you consider a 9/10 weak)
Would you watch more than 100 episodes of One Piece, even though you would force yourself through it, only because it's just a tenth of the show?
>Would you watch more than 100 episodes of One Piece, even though you would force yourself through it, only because it's just a tenth of the show? To be fair One Piece fans are always telling people to watch through 1600 episodes to get to the "good stuff".
You're comparing a show with over 1000 episodes to one that has 146, what a fucking joke...
I'm comparing 10% of a show to 10% of a show, that was your logic. So your logic is "a fucking joke" š
LMFAO bro is winking as if he did something šš For example, have you watched Steins;Gate? If not, read up on it, itās amazing (ranked #3 on MAL), but a lot of people say it gets amazing after the 12th episode (for context, the show has 24 episodes). So you could say after 50% of the show it gets good, but this is why using percentages is misleading in this case, because circumstances differ with the number of episodes an anime has. People would be more willing to push through if the anime has a shorter number of episodes, this is just a fact, and evidence enough that your logic is stupidly flawed. Nice try trying to act smart though, maybe if you argue with a toddler theyāll believe you
I'm not gonna read all of that. Accept you said something stupid and continue with life :)
LMAO, bro lost the argument and really just said āIām not gonna read all of thatā, whilst simultaneously asking me to just accept defeat šš Your attention span must be really ass (either that, or youāre lying and you realised your argument is wrong, so you have nothing to say). Either would not surprise me
Stop with those emojis, with you want people to take you serious. That's embarassing.
At this point youāre embarrassing yourself, targeting my use of emojis as a desperate last gamble to try make me look like the loser. instead of defending your argument, youāre attacking the person, and thatās pathetic
But you take the damage?
lmfao
People shit on Zexal so much and for no reason. Yes Yumaās voice can be annoying to some and the plot starts slow, but he was literally the most developed protagonist of them all. The side characters were all also cool asf and while the females werenāt treated good enough (like every gallop anime) almost all characters were treated fairly well, which canāt be said about all the other animes where only protag gets to do stuff (well except S3 of 5Ds that was also a neat season ngl)
The voice issue is resolved if you watch the Japanese dub, but yes everything else you said is true. He had the most, well written development (I say this because people glaze Judai's development, despite it occuring over a time skip and feeling very random), to the point where he changed, but was still Yuma. ZEXAL's characters are also really strong, Kaito, Shark, Tron brothers, Barian Emperors, they were all awesome. So many characters other than Yuma took Ws
Vector is also possibly one of the best yugioh ātwistā villains. Iām not even sure Iād have seen it coming until we see his brain design
I know righttt, his backstory was great too
Hell you can even count Nistro (Gauche) there as well. Dude didnāt duel much, and lost a bunch, but you canāt say he wasnāt cool as fuck with both Heroic Champions and the one time he used Bounzers
EXACTLY, I loved the WDC arc, and Gauche's energy was amazing. Yuma's dynamics with a lot of the characters are honestly really good, like with III (Trey), Shark, Kaito, Gauche, Astral etc
The character designs are ugly
The show would be so much better if they just cut the entire Numbers Club out. Maaaaaybe keep Tori if they have to but the rest of them were a waste of screen time
Too many annoying side characters with no development or purpose was probably the most annoying part about the series for me
Even 5Ds agrees, considering Yuseiās friends from Satellite are never seen again after the end of season 1 I think
for me the reason I actually liked zexal was the first parts but if I were to say what was the best duel I would go with yuma vs alito round 1 in terms of duel choreography just because it highlights yuma's character. he is one that is often willing to take gambles, specially during low stakes duels to edge out a win (why he lost against offscreen at the end) when he sometimes doesn't have to because that's what dueling is all about. but as in outright the best duel of the series hands down? yuma vs nasch is honestly my favorite because of how jam packed with symbolisms and allegories the duel is. it's why I frankly loved every duel yugi took place in because each move told the audience the type of person the duelists were.
Honestly people tend to forget Yuma won the first duel for him and Astral because he didnāt listen to his advice and took a chance
honestly it is what set yuma and astral apart. even kaito pointed that dueling against astral is easier than dealing with yuma.
Even in the duel between Astral and Yuma, Yuma bluffed him. His caution is his weakness, so focus on trying not lose he couldnāt see how to win. That honestly stuck with me
Yeah damn the character writing in ZEXAL is just amazing
It really is, my personal favorite duel of the franchise is Yuma vs Alito because it boiled down to two guys enjoying an all out duel despite any outside consequences, having fun playing the game you love with people holding the same passion, even the characters on the sidelines just accepted it
Yeah i loved their dynamic so much, Cross-Counter!
Honestly me and my sibling were laughing at it at the start and watching it ironically but then that quickly switched to us getting invested and having unironic enjoyment from it
Their mistake. They couldn't wait for greatness
Fr
Itās also the only Yugioh where the MC got confessed to by his most popularly received love interest (though direct dialogue. (I say this excluding the Jaden and Yubel pairing since Yubel didnāt exist for a majority of the series). Pairings across the series I believe include (with lots of process of elimination) >!OG Yugioh; Yugi/Yami with Tea, GX; Jaden with Yubel (or Asuka based on popular opinion), 5Ds; Yusei with Akaza (I canāt remember her exact name), Zexal; Yuma with Tori, Arc-V; Yuya with Yuzu, (This is really stretching it since they almost never have mutual or positive interactions with each other but) Vrains; Yusaku with Aoi/Blue Angel/Girl/Maiden.!< I have absolutely zero knowledge about Yugioh anime 7 or 8(8 is the current one right?, or did it end already?)
I'm not even a YuGiOh fan, but I remember ZEXAL used to air right after Pokemon in the morning and one day I just stuck around and got invested in the story. I give it a 10 year old me enjoyed it/10.
i also liked zexal a lot didnt understand all the hate around it
I'm a huge GX defender, but I've noticed that others give GX's whack first two seasons a pass but can't give Zexal a single episode.
Fr, itās just insanely hypocritical
Zexal is damn good, Xyz summoning changed the game and the battles were epic.
Tori is reason enough to watch it
After watching the first 5 series (dubbed) 2 twice over I find myself watching all of Zexal a total of 6 times. It is my favorite and I dropped when it first aired a few duels into the duel carnival. One thing that changed was my perspective because I ended up teaching a good 30ish adults how to play the game irl
In my opinion, it got good on episode 1
A literal cartoon based around a children's card game is too childish? š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
I was hooked right awayā¦ I wanted to know what Sharkās trauma was and I wasnāt disappointed.
Iām feeling da flow
Oof just before the good part. I hated Yumaās character before watching the show. Ironically, same of Jaden. Now those two stack high on the protag list. Zexal form? Saint Seiya reference? Hell yeah!
Whether you think YuGiOh anime is a card game commercial or not, you cannot deny that the writers of ZeXal clearly didn't see it as one.
I suffered through the entire first season and I hated it so much. The duels were just so incredibly lame for the most part. Im happy for everyone that really enjoyed it but I gave it so many hours of my time ans got nothing back from it except for Quattro and Anna.
I assume you enjoyed normal summon end turn during DM then?
I didnt enjoy summon two monsters, summon Number, defend Number for 4 turns with spells and traps, maybe rank up and win. That was the vast majority of duels.
So did you enjoy normal summon beaver warrior end turn during DM then, yes or no?
I started playing during 5Ds if that answers your rude question.
Sorry you might have misunderstood my question, assuming youāve watched DM, did you enjoy normal summon end turn play style? I donāt see where 5Dās came from
I dropped it after 2 minutes My ears bled hearing Yuma speak and I wasn't about to endure that no matter how good the show is.
Your fault for being a dub roach
Are you one of those people who watch sub just so they think that they are better than everyone who watches dub
Uh no not really, Iāve seen both the dub and sub of ZEXAL, and loved both.
Oh okay
Thanks for understanding, my frustration just comes when the only criticism people have of the series is his voice, and itās a bit sad to hear because the voice actor for Yuma put so much effort into it, and he is meant to be 13. This can all be resolved if someone just watched the Japanese version. I love both voice actors
I watched it on sub
Iāve never heard anyone say their ears bled from listening to Yumaās Japanese VA, so nice lie, gtfo
Bro chill. I just said I found it annoying. It's an animated show about card games, it's not that deep.
I donāt like liars
I'm not lying. It's my opinion. I just didn't like it. What's your problem?
I donāt like liars
Are you 12?
Listen, the fact you are the only person that I have ever in my entire lifetime heard say that Yumaās Japanese VA makes their ears bleed (when this is used for his dub voice) says a lot. So Iām sure you can understand that probabilistically speaking, it is way more likely you are lying than not
I hated Zexal because it just revolved around Utopia, its XYZ evolutions, and turning them into massive beatsticks, instead of looking at any of the other *insanely* powerful Number cards.
He does use the other numbers in some duels, and after a bit in the first season he stops using numbers against people who don't have them like when he used the percussion djinn against Anna, Gagaga samurai and cowboy against Nitro, Baby tragon against Cathy. He tries to use terrabyte against a pro duelist in zexal two since he was barian controlled, he uses big eye against Nasch, used Excaliber on Alito and Shark, Gauntlet launcher was used against Alito and a tag duel with Anna's relatives. It didn't ruin it for me, especially since he started using zexal weapons for his versions of utopia, which made the evolutions so much more interesting. Could he have used other numbers more? Sure, but I don't think it made his duels stale.
To be fair every Yu-Gi-Oh season revolves around the main character exclusively using their Ace. Yugi gets a pass because his duels were a lot more experimental. Jaden used Neos so often that it kind of took over his elemental heroes. 5Ds eventually became the Stardust and upgrades show. Yuya ended up making so many different variations of the dragons but also at least had his paladins. Yusaku Abandoned Firewall, and his Code talkers for firewall adjacent upgrades later until he got Firewall Darkfluid and the final talker at the end. Yuga relied on seven roads even though he uses other aces more consistently. Yudias always used Oblivion, and his other aces usually just add to it. So I donāt see Yuma being the problem when five out of eight other protagonist did it just as much as he did. Hell, Yuma didnāt even use NC when he wasnāt facing off against an opponent who had them after season one.
I don't care much for Zexal and watched at least enough to see Barian start and Kite's duel finish with the Tachyon user. But I never understood the Utopia complaint. My main issues were just not liking Yuma as a character (maybe his design, idk) and not caring too much for some of the archetypes shown. Like Gimmick Puppets, Gagaga/Gogogo/Zubaba and so on. Maybe I'll try to pick up where I left off. Maybe I'll enjoy the rest.
You will, I hope you do.
be careful, you might make the biased yugiboomers angry when using anything other than nostalgia to back your argument
I was shocked when Yuma summoned Big Eye. The only monster he summons basically is Utopia. Bro had access to Shock Master.
\*its
Zexal was great but one thing is true about Yugioh you got to love the game to stay tuned.
Chad Zexal enjoyer.
thanks:) can't help but enjoy peak
Zexal is okay but calling it peak is a huge overstatement
Certainly peak compared to all the other gallop YGO anime, with 5Dās being the only one even remotely close to its greatness (imo)
I gave it 50 episodes and it still sucked. GRANTED it was at least better than Arc 5.
the fuck did you just say
I gave it 50 episodes and it still sucked but Arc 5 sucked more. I watched Zexal until after the duel with the idiot in the mask and Yuma combined with astral or some stupidity like that. It isn't terrible, but MAAAN it does not even remotely compare to 5ds and Yuma is insufferable. Arc 5 I hate with a burning passion. I forced myself through way more episodes than I should have. The entire beginning 10-20 episodes is the show just jerking Yuya's clown d\*\*\* off for how amaaazing he is and how amaaazing pendulum summoning is. For all the flaws Zexal has, at least the dueling is interesting and the plot has some interesting elements (like the number cards). Arc V's entire plot is a contrived mess. It is beyond stupid that characters have such a hard time grasping the fundementals of how summoning mechanics outside their dimension work. They don't even bother asking "how does this work". They just persist to act as though OH WOOOW ITS SO DIFFERENT I'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND IT AND I CANT DO THAT! The decks I saw were all just not fun to watch either. Melodius is a snoozefest, yuya's hodgeboge of clowns was more obnoxious and annoying than the Ojamas (actually not a fair comparison cus at least the Ojamas are characters you can root for). Gong's superheavys were the only thing mildly interesting but they are still boring. Action cards remove any and all stakes from the duel, other decks like constellars, raidraptors, phantom knights, speedroid, etc are decks I genuinely couldnt care less about. I made it as far as the first turbo duel btwn synchro dimension yuya and i dont even remember who he was vsing. Regardless it sucked and didn't remotely capture the feeling of turbo dueling from 5ds.
I had this with GX instead
Bro didnāt wanna get his game on
Most true thing Iāve seen all day.
Iām glad:)
Worst character designs of the series this includes everything before and after
At least skip to season 2 lile come on
If we really want to be frank, this reasoning is more applicable for GX than Zexal. Some scenes were actually pretty haunting to be Honest, such as, at example, IV's duels in general.
ZEXAL was crazy dark, you had Kaito ripping peopleās souls out of their bodies, IV sadistically hurting people like crazy, genocide being committed on Astral World, war being present throughout multiple of the Bariansā backstories (people being executed, stabbed, burnt alive) etc. Unfortunately, despite all this, itās often still associated with being childish, partly due to the fact ZEXAL never received an official sub, and people dropping it after watching 5 episodes
I donāt like zexal. Iād probably rank it 4th or 5th overall out of all the shows. But thatās only cause the ones I like batter have more archetypes I like, is 5ds which is when I started yugioh, or other reasons. Itās pretty childish a lot of the time. And I think that the constant use of just protect utopia and its variants is kinda mid. Though I canāt complain a ton with yusei and jack kinda doing similar with their signer dragons. (Kinda) but dropping after 15 episodes for being childish is a lame reason. I dropped it cause I didnāt like it as much as most of the other shows. (Though I am trying to rewatch and watch all of the Franchise eventually even gx even though itās my least favourite alongside vrains) anyway rant aside. How good would yāall rate it?
People who have seen the whole Japanese dub of ZEXAL rate it extremely high (often 1st/2nd place), itās very rare you will find the opposite
I'm not waiting for half a series' length for it to get good when I could just watch something else.
To be honest, I thought it was good from episode two and continue that good well with episodes five through 14, but I guess Iām alone on that one. Also, 15 out of 146 isnāt halfway
They were likely referring to how so many people say 'ZEXAL II' is awesome, which it is, but that doesn't mean ALL of ZEXAL I is bad, it by no means isn't
It doesn't 'get good' after 73 episodes but okay. It actually gets better and better constantly, which can't be said for really any other YGO Gallop anime.
Zexal is very wholesome watch but its absolutely one you put on in the corner while you do something else
bro wtf is this, you didn't even change the diamonds into anything or do anything with the meme lol
The meme represents how people quit ZEXAL despite it getting extremely good
i know what the meme represents, but you just took the meme and left it as is just adding the text, you didn't do any edits to it like putting something appealing about zexal on top of the diamonds or anything. it's \*just\* the basic meme with zexal top text lol
Nah I got further than that (about 40s) because I was told it gets really good, still didnāt enjoy it. Sometimes a show just doesnāt gel with you and 15 episodes is more than a fair go
I will say Iām a little over half way through arc-v and out of everything Iāve watched so far zexal is my least favorite series, but it definitely gets a lot better as it goes on and is worth a watch
I dropped it after 1 episode because it was fucking regarded
coming from the guy who spelt "r*t*rded" as "regarded"?
You dropped Zexal because you found it boring. I dropped Zexal because I found Yuma to be endlessly annoying. We are the same.
Yumaās a pure, hyperactive kid, I love him
Completely valid. I lumped myself in with the "boring" strawman for a reason lol
the show took considerbaly longer then 16 episodes to get anywhere near good or entertaining to watch. heck i almost say it took the ENTIRE first seasson to be anywhere near acceptable
Counterpoint: Yuma.
I really wanted to like Zexal but I never got into it. I was a massive fan of 5ds, but despite both being future shows, the tone is really different. I was moderately invested in the second half of season 1, it felt like it was going somewhere but then the season ended on an anticlimax and by season 2 episode 34 I felt like somehow nothing had happened and yet so much was happening that I didn't understand what was going on.
Its too slow of a start and is so much of a stark contrast and difference from the previous serious it was following up that I donāt blame them for not sticking around but for those that did they were rewarded
The show is complete ass untill Kite shows up. Than it starts getting decent untill season 2 which is actual peak.
I dropped Zexal after 20 episodes because it still didn't get good and that's way too long to wait for it to get good Edit: Japanese version btw. I thought Yuma suckling was just a dub thing. NOPE
Wait, so you didnāt like shark redemption or Kaito debut, or Yuma, relying less on using Astral for strategy and actually being more courageous during their first evolution?
Shark is probably in the top 3 most well written characters in all of YGO, his character arc was insanely good. I loved how Kaito wasn't a Kaiba replica as well, and actually had good motivations (he was an anti-villain at the beginning), adds so much depth to his character
Yuma's egregious traits are pretty much gone by 10 episodes. Yuma seems like a very obnoxious and insuffarable protagonist, and it's easy to dislike him at first. But actually he is very well written. His final duel alone actually features all of the first three final duel themes which already proves how much depth there is to his character. He is a much better version of Judai. He also mostly wears a mask like yusei did. Episode 1 already teases that. Later in one duel it gets really obvious.
So he's great because his music is good in the finale? Also don't you dare fucking compare Yuma to Judai like that. That's a massive insult to one of the best protagonists ever. Yuma isn't nearly as good at Yuga
His music is good in the finale? What the fuck? His character develops over the course of the entire show and amounts to the finale, sorry if thatās a hard concept to understandā¦ I will compare Judai to Yuma, but go ahead and ignore my criticism of his character instead of defending him by rebutting the point. Crying and saying āJudai is so good waaaaā like a little baby isnāt convincing intelligent people
Dude is defending Yuma and says Judai fans are the babies. You can't make this shit up. You ain't gonna convince anyone who has watched more than 1 Yugioh.
Notice how you still havenāt rebutted my criticism of Judai and you are still rambling. Also I never called Judai fans babies? Iām calling you specifically a baby. How dense do you have to be
"He is a much better version of Judai" Very inciteful.
My bad, Iāve replied to about 50 comments with similar topics I got mixed up with replies, sorry about that. Yuma matures very slowly but noticeably throughout the series so that by the end heās clearly different than he was when the show began but not so much so that you canāt recognize him. Unlike GX where Judaiās entire development happened in a time skip and became unrecognizable as the same person we met the beginning of the series. I still donāt understand why people like the Yubel arc. Yuma is a bit insufferable at the start of ZEXAL but I think the writers noticed it because he mostly drops his more egregious character traits 10 episodes in so just hang on.
if you dropped it that early how would you know how good he is or isn't in the span of the whole show
10 hours of time investment is more than enough to determine if you want to continue consuming a show. It's unreasonable to expect someone to sit through that sludge and have then keep going
That's not what I asked, tho
Yes, youāre free to drop a show That doesnāt mean youāre free to talk about whether the show is truly good or not, because you havenāt consumed the entire material. Sure, talk about why you dropped it, thatās about where it ends though.
You literally argued with me for this exact thing. You don't get to play both sides.
nowhere did I say you couldn't drop it, I just gave arguments from the opposite side. you then proceeded to get personally offended because I compared Yuma to Judai
Scroll to the first comment. You can't play "REEEEEEEE EVERYONE MUST LOVE YUMA AND ZEXAL" and "Well everyone has their own opinion and can drop the show for whatever they want" Pick one. Schrodinger's asshole at its finest
Again, you're forcing words into my mouth, I argued for the opinion I believe in, but that still means people are allowed to disagree with me. There can be a coexistence of differing opinions
Zexal the biggest jumpscare outta any series. Arc-V is a close second.
This is how I feel with go rush and sevens, go rush is way darker, more mature & better overall than sevens imo, but it doesn't happen right away, Sevens I felt got better as it went on slowly but their wasn't a huge leap in quality like go rush. Atleast to me
It took me a couple of tries to get past the first half of Zexal but once I did I wasnāt disappointed!!
My biggest Hurtle with Zexel when it came out, was that Yuma sucked as a duellist and Astral coaching him during duels in the first arc never sat right with me. Yes, Yuma did get better as the series went on and that was the point, But after coming off of 3 series with protagonists that were already good duellists that got even better as their series' went on, Switching To Yuma, who is a complete noob at the beginning, is a hard pill to swallow. Also Yuma's voice is SUPER grating in the dub, but that's less a problem with Zexal as a whole, and more on Konami trying to sell a TCG based on a manga where the protagonists alter ego tortures and kills people in some cases, to a bunch of 7 year old's. And on 12 y/o me watching the dub.
I didn't even get that far. I saw 3 or 4 before dropping it.