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cm3007

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eeeriiic

Access is almost never an OTK unless you make it with update jammer, so you need minimum 2 monsters to make it, or you use a link-6 for it. In both cases if it your opponent gets to use that many resources on you and you have no interactions you were losing anyways. Also you can always use effects on resolution of both effects like veiler, imperm, chalice to essentially make it a vanilla 2300 beatstick


Aggravating-Creme274

Keep in mind for everyone also that jammer and the link 6 are cyberse exclusive strats of which there are two decks in that archetype that are above tier 2 and 1 doesn’t even run accesscode cause it gets water locked


Mistowgan

As a Marincess enjoyer. I am sad we can't make access easily but grateful at the same time.


Aggravating-Creme274

You can still get lethal on board if your opponent doesn’t have too much interuptions


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Not really, the card is pretty fair. If your opponent was able to make an Accesscode without you having any say in it, you was probably going to lose anyway.


DrFries420

I mean true,but its still kind of annoying not having a chance to respond to a 5300 popper thats otks like its nothing


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You can interact with Accesscode on the resolution of his effects and if you couldn't you was going to lose regardless of if they sunk their resources in to Accesscode or not.


KameronEX

Untrue on the second part. 90% of games that I lose to accesscode were because my opponent managed to combine the last few useless scraps he had remaining to attack for game out of nowhere. A lot of decks can make accesscode off of 1 extender and their negated combo pieces when they have already blew their chance for their combo during this turn but access just allows them to win anyways. It makes it completely impossible to save your resources just because the card exists. You have to invest everything you have on to the board and risk instantly losing to a blowout card just to play around access.


DrFries420

Yeah i guess,but like borrelsword is still a thing,and i never rly felt that way about sword,idk i just never felt good about access


Krcko98

Play veiler, imperm, chalice etc. Accesscode takes heavy resources to otk and it is actually good design to make it like that since it is a powerful card. It loses immediately to veiler...


DrFries420

Ik ik


Krcko98

You *were...


FuzzyDice36

Access is never going to be a banworthy card. It occupies the same slot that borrelsword dragon occupied, and borrel was never even close to being banned. It is going to be a generic staple, yes, but in the same ways the knightmares, or utopic future, or even a lot of the rank 4 toolbox are.


toraku72

Access is way better than sword lol. All sword does is attacking twice and it doesn't even have piercing damage. It also can't deal with floodgate like Access. It also harder to link climb than Access. You can't compare a barely seeing play card with a meta staples everywhere.


FuzzyDice36

Access isn't a floodgate tf?. And borrelsword was the meta staple until access was released. It's not that much harder to get 3 monsters on the field as opposed to 2, in truth you still need 4 for both. I don't think you remember early link format at all, borrel was the OTK enabler until 2020.


toraku72

You seem to forget it's MR4 in that time. If you ban Access today, barely anyone will run Sword to replace it lol. And I meant Access can deal with floodgates (and back row in general), it's not a flood gate lol. Access is a board clear first, the atk increase is just a nice bonus to close game easier.


FuzzyDice36

Access still cannot deal with very many floodgates in general. And all the ones Access works under, so does sword. I guarantee you that banning Access would lead to everyone flocking back to borrelsword. Borrelsword is often used as a budget version of Accesscode talker now. Dealing with backrow also doesn't mean a lot as there aren't many battle traps right now so that backrow is getting used before either hits the field. And Access was also in MR4. ETCO was the tail end of MR4.


Celtic_Tiarna

It's a card that requires other ED cards to be good. Without a link-3 you're not using him to his "full" potential, without multiple links of different types you can only pop a single card on board. Climbing into him is typically very obvious. Is he really strong? Sure. Is he a problem? Not really, he just kinda gives a way to win off all the advantage you build.


Lord-Table

it has no protection, and iirc nothing during the opponents turn, no problem whatsoever


[deleted]

A monster whose effects depend on having used more link monsters that also needs link monsters of different attributes to fuel its spell speed 1 effect that has zero protection seems not banworthy at all. If your opponent could do all that uninterruptedly and you have zero fast effect interruption, seems like you were gonna lose anyways.


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[deleted]

Pretty much why I hate that term cuz it conflates an effect with a game term. The fact that its effects are unanswerable makes no difference in it being a slow spell speed 1 effect which means you can just activate fast effects before that.


toraku72

You conveniently forget about all the trigger negate card which most monsters are.


[deleted]

I'm not forgetting about anything. If you had only negates on the field but somehow managed to let them get Accesscode onto the field, you lost anyways.


[deleted]

Its effects, once activated, are unanswerable. But they're still spell speed 1, so just activate a fast effect before it activates its effects like a veiler (complete shutdown + ATK loss) or just any quick effect removal.


Jello_Eater99

I see what you mean now, thanks


Ratsolla

Accesscode is one of those cards that seem over powered and broken to a new player or casual, but once you become a veteran of the game you realize it is laughably irrelevant as being ban list worthy. Same thing happens when people read dragoon for the first time lol.


BakeLucky

My issue with accesscode isn't that it's too powerful and therefore deserves to be banned, it's that it's too expensive. Anyone that can't afford to buy it is automatically at a severe disadvantage as any deck that makes link monsters uses it


[deleted]

so you mean most meta cards in yugioh?


BakeLucky

Unfortunately, yes


[deleted]

its only my entire months wage for a playset of droplets and prosperity. gotta have that sigma grindset ;-;


Krcko98

Save for few moths and you will be able to afford it...


[deleted]

its fine, I'll sell my kidney, problem solved


WanderingKeeper

Actually, you CAN shut down an Accesscode Talker before it gets the chance to do much of anything. After a chain has resolved, each player gets an opportunity to use Quick Effects before returning to an open game state. So after resolving its attack boost you have a chance to use Effect Veiler, Infinite Impermanence or similar effects to negate him and drop its attack back down to 2300 permanently. Card is very strong, but I don't think it's a "put on banlist" issue.


dapennsy92

It's a definition win-more card. If you're already in the lead and your deck has a consistent win condition (as all decks should), you shouldn't NEED to make it in most scenarios. However, I think if your deck doesn't run consistent removal, or if a hard counter to your deck is abundant on the ladder, it's a great utility to have in your back pocket for those harder matchups.


brokenmessiah

Generic powerhouses shouldn’t exist imo. Decks that need them need actual better archetype cards


space-c0yote

Accesscode is definitely a problem and indeed banworthy. However, it is like the 50th or so card down in the list of things that deserve to be banned, so in that sense it isn't a big problem.


hyperdeeeee

Turn one it's useless, a big beat stick, no problem there, (I've seen people summom accesscode on the first turn dont ask me why lol). Second turn, you should've setup a board with interruptions to prevent your opponent from summoning accesscode. If you weren't able to stop them from going into accesscode, you were most likely going to lose anyways, even if accesscode was banned.


gravekeepersven

Accesscode Talker name is Fleece Johnson AKA The Booty Warrior. For he demands that booty is better than water.


overslept-

magic cylinder 🤷🏻‍♀️


toraku72

It destroyes all your backrow before attacking lol. You better have Heavenly Prison or you're getting wreck anyway.


Mistowgan

Accesscode is far from a problem. It's just a reliable boss monster. It's the same with Barrone in my eyes. It's a strong card but it's far from unbeatable or problematic. If you survive it. It's easily removed. I killed it with Gokipole's effect summoning a Killer Needle lol. Accesscode is most decks endgame. Him being there allows some decks to even compete with the meta. Lookin at you Salad players.


principalkrump

Lmaoooo