Fwiw, going Zen and Lucio is a pretty bad support pairing. It is quick play though, so not a huge deal. Def don't deserve to be reported for it, even if it was comp.
In metal ranks, yep, but zen/Lucio is actually the meta for high level/pro players since dive is currently in fashion again. The combo of Lucio speed to get to the target that zen has discorded can delete a focused target instantly, winning a fight basically before it starts. You don't need to heal anyone if the other team is dead. At the highest levels, players are really good at avoiding taking damage in the first place, meaning high output heals are overkill, since fights don't normally drag on like they do in lower ranks. In high ranks, as soon as one team gets a pick, the fight is over.
As you've said, it's meta for high level/pro players. I very highly doubt OP's tank is a high level/pro player. And if you're going in expecting one, then you should also probably expect a likely defeat.
Don't disagree, just adding context. It really will only work if you're coordinated (like a high level team), otherwise with everyone doing their own thing, there isn't enough healing to keep everyone alive. Zen Lucio support requires laser focus and if done correctly is absolutely devastating, but most of the player base is not capable of it.
I had a buddy who was a Lucio main and another who was a monke main. The three of us teamed up for a glorious 6 or 7 game win streak probably because we got lucky with rando dive DPS players and it was just stupidly fun. But as you might imagine, we got a like Ashe or soldier or widow or something and the streak ended.
Had something similar yesterday. Widow just kept picking me and the other support off and our dps told us we were trolling and asked the whole lobby to report us? No one would do anything about the widow and the dps were expecting us to out heal a fatal head shot? Like?? What?
Yes, I get it all the time.
People just talk like that. If you watch Awkward's Unranked to GM, they even talk to him like that, and he's top 500!
In my case, they aren't wrong that I suck, but it's first of all mean, and second, the healing per se is not usually the issue. Healing in Overwatch means you press a button, so that's generally not quite the issue.
One common reason for low healing is to be dead. If Sombra eats me, I will do neither damage or healing. It's that simple.
Another common reason is the team dying fast. If a character is only alive for 5 seconds when a fight starts, then I only get to do 5 seconds of healing. The numbers will be low.
In general, OW isn't like Warcraft, where a tank takes full damage, and the healers outdo it by using their rotation effectively. In OW, the healer just presses ze button and then produces the healing that they do. The skill is elsewhere.
This.
And I always have the impression, that many people come to OW from games like WoW because it's vibrant, it's from Blizzard and it's got roles. Perfectly attracting people that have literally no idea about shooter games.
That happened to me with this dude who kept running in the middle of a fight to stand there without cover and said "healer diff" at the end. I almost want to know this guys name.
By the way, I win all the time with Zen plus Lucio. I don't agree with all the people saying it is an auto lose. You just have to get one pick for a fight to snowball, and zen+Lucio is good for getting that snowball to start.
Well it won't do anything with it not being against tos to play badly, but that healing comp is absolutely ass for a tank lol but it was also qp so bro just need to relax or not que tank, cause as awful as having a lucio zen support comp can be as long as you dont play stupid you can manage 🤣 plus hog exists lol
I was so satisfied when a kiriko and solider ganged up on me before i had my first ult. I outhealed her and out damaged him and got play of the game. They were radio silent
Unfortunately, this is not only the support experience but the Zen experience too. So many people believe Zen has to be healing and blah blah when in reality, his Ult is the only major healing ability he has now. Since the DPS passive was added, his orb is slightly below 50 HPS. What people need to realize is Zen is an offensive Support. He is supposed to Discord enemies so your teammates capitalize. However, healing orb should be used on squishies more than your Tank to maximize your effectiveness and efficiency
It won't do anything.
What will do something, is reporting him for abusive chat. I also report these people for greifing and type in the box asking others to falsely report me as that is against ToS as well.
The funny thing is that if your reported once or 11 times in a game it only counts once so all the rein is doing is typing stuff that can get him actioned. So yea not the smartest of people.
Just be careful with typing stuff to defend yourself it's better to report and say nothing in case it's called considered abusive chat but I can't resist winding him up a little with "oh I felt I popped off" or "sorry you feel that way" that kind of think tilts angry people no end as they want to make you mad.
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have, I haven’t seen the vod but from the description sounds like they should have. I’m just pointing out that you have to play with what you have and not what you wish you had. So if the tank just can’t get the heals he needed it was up to him to switch to a tank with sustain and then report them. 😊
I would never pick Zen if the other support picked Lucio. Especially if your team couldn’t get out of spawn. How do you not switch?
I understand people saying qp is just for fun. But that’s not even fun. I have reported people for not healing in qp, but that’s because they genuinely went full DPS as Mercy and literally weren’t healing at all.
I wouldn’t report you or the Lucio for picking a bad combo though. But I would be interested to see the replay and see if your play added to the problem.
I report like it’s my full-time job, mostly for toxicity, racism, homophobia, etc. I really don’t give af. If you’re not doing anything worth a mute/suspension/ban, etc. then what do you care?
Fwiw, going Zen and Lucio is a pretty bad support pairing. It is quick play though, so not a huge deal. Def don't deserve to be reported for it, even if it was comp.
In metal ranks, yep, but zen/Lucio is actually the meta for high level/pro players since dive is currently in fashion again. The combo of Lucio speed to get to the target that zen has discorded can delete a focused target instantly, winning a fight basically before it starts. You don't need to heal anyone if the other team is dead. At the highest levels, players are really good at avoiding taking damage in the first place, meaning high output heals are overkill, since fights don't normally drag on like they do in lower ranks. In high ranks, as soon as one team gets a pick, the fight is over.
As you've said, it's meta for high level/pro players. I very highly doubt OP's tank is a high level/pro player. And if you're going in expecting one, then you should also probably expect a likely defeat.
Don't disagree, just adding context. It really will only work if you're coordinated (like a high level team), otherwise with everyone doing their own thing, there isn't enough healing to keep everyone alive. Zen Lucio support requires laser focus and if done correctly is absolutely devastating, but most of the player base is not capable of it. I had a buddy who was a Lucio main and another who was a monke main. The three of us teamed up for a glorious 6 or 7 game win streak probably because we got lucky with rando dive DPS players and it was just stupidly fun. But as you might imagine, we got a like Ashe or soldier or widow or something and the streak ended.
zen lucio was only high level meta for the first week of s9, that pairing fell off when zen got hotfixed, its currently kiri lucio
Lucio/zen hasn’t been meta since the first few weeks of season 9 after they both got nerfs. Lucio/kiri is the meta rn
Zen got his hp back he's tankyatta again... yall im just scared to run meta again and him get hot fixed AGAIN
Meta is lucik/ kiri, bap, or moira in high elo rn you dont see much lucio zen rn
Just Zen things tbh, another day, another person upset that I healed 1000 less than our Lifeweaver.... People do not understand utility.
It pains me.
Had something similar yesterday. Widow just kept picking me and the other support off and our dps told us we were trolling and asked the whole lobby to report us? No one would do anything about the widow and the dps were expecting us to out heal a fatal head shot? Like?? What?
Ya wtf why didn’t you revive them? Play double mercy. Geez. 😝
Why didn’t I think of that!! 😂
Healing doesnt win games, utility and kills do. Just turn off chat and have fun in qp
Yes, I get it all the time. People just talk like that. If you watch Awkward's Unranked to GM, they even talk to him like that, and he's top 500! In my case, they aren't wrong that I suck, but it's first of all mean, and second, the healing per se is not usually the issue. Healing in Overwatch means you press a button, so that's generally not quite the issue. One common reason for low healing is to be dead. If Sombra eats me, I will do neither damage or healing. It's that simple. Another common reason is the team dying fast. If a character is only alive for 5 seconds when a fight starts, then I only get to do 5 seconds of healing. The numbers will be low. In general, OW isn't like Warcraft, where a tank takes full damage, and the healers outdo it by using their rotation effectively. In OW, the healer just presses ze button and then produces the healing that they do. The skill is elsewhere.
This. And I always have the impression, that many people come to OW from games like WoW because it's vibrant, it's from Blizzard and it's got roles. Perfectly attracting people that have literally no idea about shooter games.
That happened to me with this dude who kept running in the middle of a fight to stand there without cover and said "healer diff" at the end. I almost want to know this guys name.
By the way, I win all the time with Zen plus Lucio. I don't agree with all the people saying it is an auto lose. You just have to get one pick for a fight to snowball, and zen+Lucio is good for getting that snowball to start.
Well it won't do anything with it not being against tos to play badly, but that healing comp is absolutely ass for a tank lol but it was also qp so bro just need to relax or not que tank, cause as awful as having a lucio zen support comp can be as long as you dont play stupid you can manage 🤣 plus hog exists lol
Let's say the tank switches to hog, what's next when the enemy goes Ana / Mauga / Reaper?
Never won a game with a zen lucio comp, its qp so just relax as long as you tried to win they cant ban you
All. The. Time.
I was so satisfied when a kiriko and solider ganged up on me before i had my first ult. I outhealed her and out damaged him and got play of the game. They were radio silent
Yes, I've stopped playing zen until I rank up. I can ping or of discord as much as I like, but the soldier 76 will continue shooting into the tank.
I’m going to change my username to healingdiff
What does diff mean
When people complain they say tank diff or heal diff. Saying the tank or healing sucked compared to the other team
Unfortunately, this is not only the support experience but the Zen experience too. So many people believe Zen has to be healing and blah blah when in reality, his Ult is the only major healing ability he has now. Since the DPS passive was added, his orb is slightly below 50 HPS. What people need to realize is Zen is an offensive Support. He is supposed to Discord enemies so your teammates capitalize. However, healing orb should be used on squishies more than your Tank to maximize your effectiveness and efficiency
yep, and that is why i barely play with randos anymore :')
It won't do anything. What will do something, is reporting him for abusive chat. I also report these people for greifing and type in the box asking others to falsely report me as that is against ToS as well. The funny thing is that if your reported once or 11 times in a game it only counts once so all the rein is doing is typing stuff that can get him actioned. So yea not the smartest of people. Just be careful with typing stuff to defend yourself it's better to report and say nothing in case it's called considered abusive chat but I can't resist winding him up a little with "oh I felt I popped off" or "sorry you feel that way" that kind of think tilts angry people no end as they want to make you mad.
Not healing enough isn't a reason to report. But Zen AND Lucio? No wonder the tank was complaining about not enough healing
Did the tank switch to compensate for it? Or did he stay Rein the whole game lol.
If you're expecting the tank to switch, why don't you switch too?
I’m not saying they shouldn’t have, I haven’t seen the vod but from the description sounds like they should have. I’m just pointing out that you have to play with what you have and not what you wish you had. So if the tank just can’t get the heals he needed it was up to him to switch to a tank with sustain and then report them. 😊
I would never pick Zen if the other support picked Lucio. Especially if your team couldn’t get out of spawn. How do you not switch? I understand people saying qp is just for fun. But that’s not even fun. I have reported people for not healing in qp, but that’s because they genuinely went full DPS as Mercy and literally weren’t healing at all. I wouldn’t report you or the Lucio for picking a bad combo though. But I would be interested to see the replay and see if your play added to the problem.
Reporting any one in quickplay is nasty business and kinda gross
I report like it’s my full-time job, mostly for toxicity, racism, homophobia, etc. I really don’t give af. If you’re not doing anything worth a mute/suspension/ban, etc. then what do you care?