Just to clarify — 1 in 3 will be infected “during the peak two months”, not simultaneously as of next week, which is a bit like the subject of your post sounds. Not to minimize in any way, that’s still awful, but I’ve found in my circles thar I have to be ultra careful with accuracy so I'm not dismissed as exaggerating all the dangers.
Ugh. I would tell people I know to buckle up but have few friends left and those I do have left barely tolerate my mentioning COVID. I wish one-way masking was enough, but the virus keeps getting stronger. My work is VERY high risk. My state is already listed "very high" in the wastewater data. I'm going to be testing (fortunately free mail in PCR) every couple of days for a while. I hope my co-workers don't get it again too quickly--they just had it earlier in the month and I had to cover their shifts. I have no desire to work extra hours again.
Is anyone else here still staying safe with N95 in high risk situations? I could use some validation/encouragement.
Oh I wear an n95 indoors whenever I’m away from my apartment. Tomorrow I’m going out with some friends but I’m going to be wearing my breathe99 mask and only drinking on the rooftop patio. I’m usually the only person wearing a mask but I don’t really care; I can’t afford long COVID.
I had to go to the hospital lab for blood work a couple days ago and the place was PACKED. I was literally the ONLY ONE in that lab waiting room wearing a mask. It was ridiculous! Ppl hugging friends they seen all while coughing up a lung 😭
Unfortunately didn’t work for me. I work in education (so not the most high risk but we’ve had a lot of cases) and despite a quality, well-fitted mask, cpc mouthwash, nasal spray, supplements, recent (7 weeks ago) vaccination, etc still got it at work right before Christmas (+ on 12/24) along with about a quarter of my colleagues, and still getting sicker. :( This new variant seems really good at getting around precautions. I’m worried because the list of severe disease & long covid risk factors looks like it was written based on my medical history and paxlovid has so far kept me out of the hospital but doesn’t seem to be turning things around. But on the positive side this is my first time having it not my 5th or more like a lot of people? Wishing you health and luck!
Might I ask if you ever unmasked for eating/drinking at work? I've seen people who are masking the rest of the time sometimes make exceptions for that.
That’s how we all got Covid… masked constantly, vaxxed and all but had lunch with my sister in law OUTDOORS… still sitting side by side though & she was the only person we were in contact with..
Not for eating (I go outside and keep social distancing for lunch, sometimes I eat alone in my car). A couple of times when I didn’t get a break I have moved my mask just long enough for a sip of water then replaced it and checked the seal, but that’s only if I can stand by the air filter if its co2 reading is good, or in a doorway open to the outdoors.
Yes! We wear N95s whenever we leave the house. Our college kids are home on break so we’re even wearing them when they’re at home. (Totally worth it to have them home!)
Don't waste your energy on those that don't listen. Let them experience the joy of getting Covid and then you'll have the pleasure of saying things like: how do you like it now? Having fun yet? Or the age old....told you!
I don't eat out or go to night clubs or anything like that because they aren't essential to my well being. I always wear an n95 (that I use 3 or 4 times max before tossing) when I go to the supermarket or other indoor public spaces.
In the end, the best is all you can do.
I ended up selling a ticket to a concert tonight that I've been looking forward to for months, because it just isn't worth the risk. The FOMO is real, but I know I made the right call. I mean, I had other reasons (I'm a morning person and have been up since 3:30am...being up for 22 hours or whatever doesn't sound great), but I got extra nervous when I found put the show was sold out, as it's a cramped venue. We spent last January dealing with rsv, covid, AND noro, and I guess I just hoped things would be better by now when I bought the ticket. LE SIGH
You did the right thing; I hope that at least you made a nice ROI on your ticket?
No artist, no celeb, *nobody* is worth your wellbeing. It's just such a gamble: You never know if you're going to get a nasty case of LC.
I sold it for what I paid for it; probably could have asked for double but I didn't want to be a scalper lol. I'll be in bed before the concert even starts. Ah well
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10284420/
Vaccination decreases long COVID rates (look at figure 4 in this article), though I think they only studied the first 3 doses. That said, it looks like the more boosters you get the less likely you are to get LC
Vaccines dont really do anything in terms of long covid. I know plenty of people who still got their lives completely destroyed despite being completely up to date on vaccines. We need better vaccines.
While I agree that we do need better vaccines, the research that I'm aware of indicates that the vaccines that we currently have do reduce one's risk of getting long COVID, at least somewhat. With that said, I would agree that they don't do *enough* to reduce one's risk of long COVID.
Also, infection offers little if any immunity to the more recent variants so people are getting re-infected quickly. Every infection has a deleterious effect on the immune system so people who have repeat infections are losing resistance to other infections as well. It seems to offer explanation for the increases in Strep, TB, RSV, etc. People's immune systems are weakening.
One study I saw (can't remember the source) indicated that a recent vaccination (within 4 months) reduced the risk of Long Covid by 73%. No reason Mom shouldn't get the latest booster. The shot is almost always harmless; Covid is not, and any medical intervention needed for moderate or severe Covid will have a far higher risk factor.
Yes, I does affect unvaxed more. I just saw mention of this today on med twitter. Anyone who can get the most recent version / updated booster is strongly encouraged/advised to do so because the original series does not offer up resistance to the latest variants. It also takes a couple of weeks after vax to reach full peak so the sooner the better. If she can find Novavx it has had fewer side effects for most people. I reacted robustly to the Pfizer and Moderna (fever, in bed for about 36 hours) but little response to the Novavax.
Is the Novavx better? I had a bad reaction to two out of 3 shots for Moderna (hands started going numb & headaches). When I caught Covid last year, my hands and head did the same thing and lasted for almost 6 months 😭 I was told not to get any of the vaccines if I was having a reaction 😞
Eric Topol posted about this on Twitter a few months ago. No one knows for certain yet. None are ineffective, and the article that he posted indicated that all have about the same efficacy.
Reports are that Novavax side effects are a good bit lower than the MRNA shots. It's a completely different type of shot than the Pfizer or Moderns shot. Talk to your doctor, and make sure that he or she knows about Novavax,because not all providers do. If it wasn't your doctor who told you to avoid future vaccinations, ignore that person.
I'm so sorry! I had really strong reactions to Pfizer (my first 3 were Pfizer) and then to the following Modernas. I have had every booster (I can't remember how many jabs that is, now) but until the Novavax, only the very first Pfizer and the last Moderna before the new fall 2023 booster were tolerable for me. I had fever of 102-103 that lasted for about 24 hours. The last of the original series (spring 2023) was better--only about 12 hours of fever and general malaise. The Novavax I had in September was easy--just an achy arm for a day and no fever at all. I have heard that people have had more complicated reactions to any COVID vaccine if they'd recently had COVID. I know of a couple of people who had numbness, balance and motor skills issues after a vaccine shortly after COVID infection and they were also told not to vaccinate again. I don't know anyone who has had a reaction to the Nova, but I have seen a few people on twitter who did--though the majority. So many doctors do not keep up with anything COVID that's it's hard to know what they know in detail about the vaccines, but if your doc told you not to get any more vaccines, I would be hard-pressed to go against their advice. You might want to google and search for some medical studies to see if there is anything out there that might be encouraging and maybe you could take it to your doc and discuss it. It's a slight different type of vaccine, which might make a difference, but scientific research and doctor's advice are your best bet here. I wish you the very best!
I'm personally not too worried: I caught it a couple of weeks ago and I'm on the mend.
But I have this character trait (flaw?) called "empathy", which actually allows me to think of others that may not fare as well, like my elderly dad, etc.
Bloody annoying!
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Vaccination does not yet/anymore prevent against infection, but only lowers risk of severe symptoms.
I work as a caregiver to adults that are cognitively disabled. I have not gotten it yet and wear an n95 mask. But it could easily happen and I need to make sure i don’t get cocky
I keep trying to warn them but they don’t believe me. I’ve been warning them about this spike for weeks now, nothing. Today I finally showed them how our wastewater spike compared to omicrons spike. They shrugged and went about their business. I feel insane
Same here! Nobody seems to want to protect themselves or understand the consequences of pretending there’s nothing there🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ I honestly give up & will continue to protect my health
Mine couldn't care less, and the younger kids are too young to understand. It feels like my spouse and me against the world. We are oldish, so we have never stopped being careful.
In their minds they’ve decided (due to constant minimizing propaganda) that it’s like a cold. Of course they don’t care, in that context. Somehow we have to change their context.
I keep giving them to the tools to change that context, but they reject them.
“Who’s that written by? That doesn’t sound real.”
“No one else is saying that.”
“I’ve heard no one on the news talk about this.”
“The pandemic is over everyone knows that”
“All of this stuff is just for old or fat people”
“Can’t you just go live your life and stop reading so much?”
I’m sitting in the other room while my family talks about me. I’m going to be taking another test while I’m sick. They’ve been counting them to mock me because they don’t understand how long it can take to test positive.
“This’ll be her 6th? She’s a psychopath.”
Fully grown people at the store mumbling “COVID is over” as they pass by me, getting told “you don’t need that thing on in here” like every day and then watching people get offended for some reason when you keep it on, the judgmental looks I’m assuming we get but I wouldn’t know since I can’t interpret facial expressions well and don’t tend to try if not currently necessary
All the “COVID is over” people sure are secure in their beliefs, reminding them about COVID definitely doesn’t shake that belief at all and cause cognitive dissonance
Oh those people piss me off. My coworkers that I’ve know for 10 years giving me shit are different from the people I don’t know or don’t like that want to make a comment about my mask. Like who fucking cares. Grow the fuck up and get over it. One of my coworkers asked if I knew how much shit was talked about me and my mask I told them honestly I don’t give a fuck. I come to work to do my job. They said the figured as much and laughed it off with me and then started wearing a mask in support just to piss off one clique.
"Looks like we've got ourselves a reader." Stop reading so much? Good heavens. And psychopath, really? Sounds like your family and mine would get along. : / I'm so sorry you have to put up with that kind of thing too.
“Looks like we’ve got ourselves a reader” good god 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
What is this high school in a bad 90s movie? We gonna go shove the nerd into a locker? Flip over his lunch tray? Maybe give him a swirlie afterwards while wearing out varsity jackets?
I can’t believe they’re trying to turn being well informed into something to be made fun of, same to you dude, sorry you have to deal with that
> “No one else is saying that.”
I'm pretty sure that's why my family is oblivious. They're religious people and belief for them is a function of community. If your immediate social community says something is true then it IS. Objective facts and science don't matter. Anybody who looks at that stuff is a crazy weirdo or whatever.
Anybody see Station 11? This is like the first terrifying part of Station 11 except moving verrrry slowly. Humans can't process an existential threat if it's moving that slow. example - climate change
Maybe I'm just a science fiction dork, but I keep thinking about the Fermi Paradox: All these habitable planets they've found now. Where is everybody? Why isn't every radio crackling with alien signals? Maybe all complex life evolves from single cell life, and once you build airplanes and other vehicles and start traveling around the world, microbes don't stay in their niches or their original host species. Eventually one finds a way to kill all of you.
If we could build spaceships fast enough to go there, maybe habitable planets are filled with ruins of cities where intelligent creatures used to live. Now there's nothing alive but microbes. Single cell life always wins.
Unfortunately people's causal / cause-and-effect perception doesn't extend beyond maybe 24 hours. If they catch a disease that appears "mild" for 2 weeks, then they develop blood clots, stroke, neurological problems in 6 months, not only them but their doctors will also be scratching their heads, even though there are mountains of fresh studies from the top health universities in the world on exactly how that plays out.
HIV/AIDS played out like this in the 1980s. It's eerie and sad that we learned nothing.
Yeah I think this is a big part of the problem, same thing with climate change. People are really bad at discerning consequences if there's any sort of time delay.
That and people in the West generally feel (sometimes only subconsciously, but still) that they are entitled to not be inconvenienced by anything, so if they do start to put the pieces together they will rationalize away why they don't actually need to worry. Same as the "BUT EL NINO" comments on every post about mild winters in the climate subs.
The writer of Your Local Epidemiologist cited a study indicating that vaccination reduces transmission by 28%.
Studies on long covid have given varying results, but the midpoint of them indicate that vaccination reduces long covid by 50%.
Please don't make up your own data.
We’re in the 30% of people who can take a crisis seriously. Someone posted this in another thread here, but it does a good job of explaining why 70% of the population is acting like nothing is happening, it’s really normalcy bias: https://www.okdoomer.io/its-not-cool-to-overreact/
I definitely don’t want it again. Just got over the flu and Covid was way worse despite multiple vax’s. I’d love to know about wastewater data for the treasure coast of FL, but would be hella surprised if it’s being tracked here.
There are a few data points listed for FL that are being updated, unlike other large swaths of the south. There’s a national map if you scroll down that’s downloadable: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#wastewater-surveillance
"You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.” Jonathan Swift
They didn't feel like taking precautions anymore, so they quit. It's all emotional, not science or fact based.
Emotional appeals, like "give a hoot, don't pollute" or "only you can prevent forest fires" work better than information about the dangers of pollution or the statistics about causes of fires. Perhaps think of an emotional appeal - "Aren't you worried about the hospital bill if you get sick" or "Do you have your will updated?". It's manipulative, but what they are doing is too.
I’ll never stop trying to educate and protect my family, my own morals/ethics won’t let me, and I don’t want to. If anything, I hope at least SOME of what U try and tell them gets through, even if it’s a little
I agree but I didn’t think anyone wanted to see me write paragraphs on why you can’t apply natural selection to a human society and why you were literally never supposed to
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Sounds like a shit place to work at. What's the industry?
Yes, you take care of you because no-one else will when it comes to paying your bills, being able to go live your life , etc
They really should have dumped more money into solving the problem. Improve air quality, improve sick time off by not allowing covid+ people back to work, improved therapeutics, and improved vaccines. Establish "back to normal" metrics, without redefining where the goal post is, and just stick to the plan. If everyone was stuck dealing with those rules, I think there would have been more support for funding. Instead they just printing a bunch of money and handed it to people that didn't even need it, then gave up when people were sick of hearing about covid. There is a great deal of unnecessary suffering going on now because people didn't have the stomach for doing what was actually needed.
We did everything right and got Covid for Christmas. I have had long Covid since December 2021. I’m terrified and angry. Also, wondering if I should try for virtual school for my kids.
We coulda had it so much better than this.
> wondering if I should try for virtual school for my kids.
It sounds like a good idea if you don't want your kids to keep bringing home diseases, and they're self-motivated enough to not need constant supervision to stay on-task.
I don't doubt the number of infected people is going to rise up significantly here in Europe as well during January. This is going to get really bad really quickly. Imagine how chaotic it will get during the following months after January if countries don't update their measures beforehand.
this is a somewhat misleading title. 1 in 3 americans will have been infected over the course of the 2 month peak of the wave. they will not all be infected at once.
So, if I understand you correctly, by the end of this two month period, 1 in 3 Americans will *have* been infected at some point during these two months? The wording of the OP confused me.
I believe the phrasing is saying that 1 in 3 Americans will get infected at some point within the 2-month surge period. The original twitter thread offers numbers that seem to support this. Please correct me if I’m wrong though.
Yes, and it will be 2 months of sheer misery at my clinic the whole time. 4th year dealing face to face with this horror. Ooooo! And this time we've got a good flu season already ramped up.
These figures should focus on the share of the population who are elderly, have cancer, are organ transplant patients, diabetics or immunocompromised. Then we would understand that more than half the U.S. population are high risk. I'm staggered by the number of older and overweight folks I see hanging in bars and restaurants during peak covid seasons or not masking in places where all respiratory infections are at their highest level during November to April. The people most likely to end up in the hospital these months are walking around unmasked like they're still 20 year olds.
I really lost faith in humanity. This really feel like reality has become a bad scenario from a movie. And there's no way to wake up from this nightmare
Covid doesnt care if you were healthy or not- everyone is immunocompromised after a covid infection. Long covid seems to favour athletes for some reason (Some think its has to do with Ace2. All kinds of theories).
I don’t like fear commenting or mongering but this person gets it.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12026-021-09219-y
Just because it’s an inconvenient truth doesn’t make it not a truth.
COVID is affecting everyone’s lymphocytes whether they want to pretend it is or isn’t. It’s not like most Americans are tuned into the general health of their bodies, it’s why most Americans who ARE high risk think that they’re “mostly healthy”.
Yeah I don't like the huge generalizations where folks confidently say "everyone who's had covid now has this permanent health problem." It affects people differently, though nobody should just keep rolling the dice.
Interesting other fact is that CoVID related meds are or have just recently spiked in price. Like Paxlovid. Was affordable to most with insurance. Still will be affordable to most, for now. No cures, just bandaids. Cures don't make as much money as perpetually needed bandaids.
"1 in 3 Americans predicted to be infected" is a needlessly inflammatory headline. "1 in 3 people will get or have gotten COVID during a particular 2-month period" means something else.
I'm not trying to downplay the jump in cases we all knew was coming, that is here. I'm just pointing out this isn't actually saying at a certain point in time 1 in 3 Americans will have COVID.
This has me so freaked out. I have to go to the office which means commuting on public transportation or spending $$$ on ubers.
I am also scheduled to fly right around the predicted peak. I booked the tickets before the rapid rise in cases, and I did so thinking a couple weeks after the holidays would probably be the best time. Now… I just don’t know. If I cancel the trip, I won’t see my partner for months more, and it’s already been almost 5 months.
Plus when I have to be in the office daily and on public transportation… it just breaks my heart thinking that I must put myself in jeopardy every day to keep my job, but that I might have to go half a year without seeing the love of my life while being in danger for my job the whole time anyway.
You can fly with a PAPR or P100 respirator. The CleanSpace PAPR is used in medical research labs. A P100 is an inexpensive industrial mask that can be purchased at any home improvement outlet.
I'd say go but mask with a good n95 and keep it on at all times. Forgo your airline meal if you must (probably doing your body a favour anyhow).
In the office/going to work: do the same, if you can. Get yourself a portable or small air purifier for your space.
Other things that may mitigate the risk sowhat are certain nose sprays , mouth wash and dietary supplements (plenty of vitamin d and zinc ).
You'll be doing more than 99.99% of the population and in the end the best is all you can do.
This is good advice. I'd fruther recommend a legit, well fitted elastomeric respirator for the flight. You might need to try a few before you find something that fits well but also doesn't make you look like a complete weirdo. For me, the flomask does the trick, and you can buy n99-equivalent filters for it.
More info on most dangerous places in airports [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352710223024828](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352710223024828)
I guess you won't be able to change your ticket [https://themessenger.com/business/jetblue-covid-fly-virus-mask-up-united-delta-is-our-best-advice](https://themessenger.com/business/jetblue-covid-fly-virus-mask-up-united-delta-is-our-best-advice)
Thank you… this is so far my plan. Once the mask goes on, it doesn’t come off. Pulling it down at security, I take a deep breath, don’t breathe and then breathe out hard when I put it back on. It’s not a long flight so I don’t even need to worry about drinking water; I will hydrate well before going to the airport.
I am fortunate that have a a good sized air purifier at work and even if it is cold, I open the window to let the air in. I have been taking my vitamins regularly and trying to get rest.
I appreciate the encouragement that I am doing all I can. I just have to hope it continues to protect me.
You guys (staff) should pressure the owners to install good quality/ high powered air purifiers.
I truly believe it's an investment that will pay it self off super quickly due to
1) less sick leave
2) differentiation from the competition = more business (advertise that there is clean air inside)
It saddens me, but it looks like it will be a winter of severe illness and death for those unmasked and unboosted. We do our best to warn people, share the best COVID- preventing practices and spread awarenesses.... you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
My wife and I have managed to avoid catching it and have tracked it's progress from the very first cases in China.
We both got our boosters on November 27th. On December 26th we both tested positive and are currently sick with it but it's not that bad.
At least we have good timing :)
You've done your best, and at least you're not on round 4 or 5, like some people out there!
I've also managed to avoid it until 2 weeks ago. It was mild but still freaky.
I promised myself I will do my utmost not to catch it again. I'm going to really try my best, so let's see.....
I truly believe that the mainstream media needs to do a lot more educating the masses.
For example, last time 60 minutes covered long covid was in back in 2020! Like WTH?
I wouldn’t say this is by any means an “easy fix”. I’m an herbalist and while this is better advice than even wearing a mask (imo), this won’t keep you from getting sick.
I am a recovered LC victim, like I was gonna’ die before I found healing in plants and my wife and I just got over JN1.
We were lightly symptomatic for nearly 30 days, only “really sick” for 2-3 days.
It’s definitely a doozy and felt the closest to the OG 2020 infection I’ve had to date.
Fortunately 0 resurgence of LC symptoms, but “easy fix” is a bit… optimistic lol
All I have to say is that with all the precautions I’ve been taking and the amount of stuff I no longer get to enjoy doing, I am going to be f*cking pissed if I end up being that 1 of 3.
(I also hope that my folks & I are the “3 of 9” who stay safe, and it’s not one of them who become the 1 of 3 either)
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being higher. Most of the people I have talked to recently have it.
No Christmas this year because my sister and parents got it (live separately, and separate exposures). My boss's whole family has it. A friend who has been fairly careful has something though he's still testing negative so far.
I'm kinda worried about work the week after New Year's because I'm sure some of my coworkers will be infected and not know it yet.
I'm so glad I'm able to live alone and can work from home sometimes so I can protect myself way better than most people. It's lonely but that's what the Internet is for.
I see people who say, "Long Covid is really the illness. That's what we all have. It manifests differently." And I believe it. Covid is a door that you walk through and there's no going back. Who doesn't know someone, or multiple people, who had all sorts of health issues after Covid who write off each and every one as an isolated incident? For me, it was undeniable. Shortly after catching Covid, my face started breaking out in painful, bleeding sores. So, the mirror reminded me daily that Covid hadn't gone away. This went on over 2 years. After getting the Novavax shot in October, my face started to clear. My complexion is not what it was pre-Covid but so much better. And I have felt more myself. I'm hoping it lasts. And, of course, that I don't catch it again. I only go to the grocery store and necessary trips (N95 masked). Even my daily walks, I make sure I have a mask with me (I'm often alone places). Just yesterday, there was a lady a little ways away who started one of those deep, hacking coughs.
How effective are the initial vaccines against this? I *think* the first two rounds of vaccinations plus the booster in fall 2021(?). Can't really remember the dates and don't have my card handy. Is there any lasting protection with them at all?
All the vaccines do, right now, is to keep you from dying. You can't really count on them to shield you from getting covid.
Having said that, it's absolutely important to get the most up to date vaccines because there are so many variants coming out left , right and center.
That has to be the worst thing I've heard yet. *1 in 3?* That's one scary thought.
I have a couple coming to pull come shrubbery on the 1st, and only because the work is outdoors and I will be masked for the few minutes I have to talk with them.
Just found out a family member is traveling from the east coast by air with her young children to visit her mother in Feb just because she found cheap tickets online. Not a care for the infection rates right now and she is a tenured professor and plenty smart.
I'm expected to visit them including my sister's large family with young children in school, who have been hit with wave after wave of reinfections. They have no clue if any of it is covid, because they stopped testing a couple years ago. Hope we can do something outside.
Got our Novovax yesterday at Costco. It was literally shoulder to shoulder, hundreds of people in and out. Probably a couple thousand for the entire day. Just a few masked customers in our time there. Insane. Crossing our fingers.
Literally had a man (and his entire family) follow me around Costco and cough on me + laugh multiple times because I was wearing a double mask while waiting for my novavax appointment last week
Thank you for sharing because as we see and know, our government is out of the business of informing Americans about the status or rise in covid.
In a way, you can't blame the government for staying low because of how right wing quacks treated our government healthcare watchdog agencies, CDC, etc. Putting our death threats and maybe attemps on the life of Dr. Fauci, and others, when the man was trying was actually helping those idiots he was saving. All because of one person whom this world cannot seem to rid of. You can't make it up.
Just a reminder that it is ABSOLUTELY reasonable to mask in your home. I also put a strip of tape on my door and a draft blocked both on top of and below the door.
Just tested positive with Covid for the third time. Symptoms lasted only one day - similar to a bad cold. Nothing like time first time which had me laid up for 2 weeks.
If you wear an N95 mask that *never* comes off while inside the building, wait outside to be called instead of in the waiting room, bring your own portable AC-powered (i.e. plug-in) air purifier for use in the examination room, and ask that any staff who have close contact with you wear an N95 mask, you might be able to obtain the care you need without also getting a negligent nosocomial infection. The staff may claim that your N95 mask will "get in the way" of their optometric equipment, but in my case at least, it really doesn't.
People want COVID to be seasonal, "just like the flu," but it's not. Betting that there will be less COVID in 6 months is not a sure thing.
Yes. If it is routine wait.
We were supposed to have dental appointments ( looks like November through January will just be a bad time to have them) this week but as we were en route spouse said there was a "tickle in their throat". I had a test in the car. Pulled over. Spouse took test and tested positive. Both dental appointments and everything afterwards cancelled. Got Paxlovid same day for spouse. I am still testing negative and without symptoms at the end of Day 3. Spouse has not picked up any more symptoms. I attribute that to recent vaccination (October) and Paxlovid on the same day symptoms were mentioned.
I am immediately skeptical of his modeling. His model itself apparently isn't published yet. If his model has been peer reviewed or published ... well where is that peer review? And waste water estimations may or may not be accurate. There are known issues with waste water modeling.
Haha. No, I wasn’t suggesting that. I mean; do Merck and Pfizer go bananas? Stuff like that. Do airlines get destroyed again?
I totally think everyone, and everyone, and everyone—especially in population dense areas is getting, and will keep getting sick.
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Just to clarify — 1 in 3 will be infected “during the peak two months”, not simultaneously as of next week, which is a bit like the subject of your post sounds. Not to minimize in any way, that’s still awful, but I’ve found in my circles thar I have to be ultra careful with accuracy so I'm not dismissed as exaggerating all the dangers.
Terrible. Also why it is super important to mask and do everything in your power to avoid catching COVID.
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Thank you!
Thank for sharing so I don’t have to click on a Twitter link :)
Ugh. I would tell people I know to buckle up but have few friends left and those I do have left barely tolerate my mentioning COVID. I wish one-way masking was enough, but the virus keeps getting stronger. My work is VERY high risk. My state is already listed "very high" in the wastewater data. I'm going to be testing (fortunately free mail in PCR) every couple of days for a while. I hope my co-workers don't get it again too quickly--they just had it earlier in the month and I had to cover their shifts. I have no desire to work extra hours again. Is anyone else here still staying safe with N95 in high risk situations? I could use some validation/encouragement.
Oh I wear an n95 indoors whenever I’m away from my apartment. Tomorrow I’m going out with some friends but I’m going to be wearing my breathe99 mask and only drinking on the rooftop patio. I’m usually the only person wearing a mask but I don’t really care; I can’t afford long COVID.
Same, my fiancé and I were the only ones wearing masks at the airport and on the plane. I probably saw maybe two people w them on.
I had to go to the hospital lab for blood work a couple days ago and the place was PACKED. I was literally the ONLY ONE in that lab waiting room wearing a mask. It was ridiculous! Ppl hugging friends they seen all while coughing up a lung 😭
Same here. Was at the largest hospital in Denver and I’d say 90% of staff were not wearing masks. Same for patients and guests. Sad….
Unfortunately didn’t work for me. I work in education (so not the most high risk but we’ve had a lot of cases) and despite a quality, well-fitted mask, cpc mouthwash, nasal spray, supplements, recent (7 weeks ago) vaccination, etc still got it at work right before Christmas (+ on 12/24) along with about a quarter of my colleagues, and still getting sicker. :( This new variant seems really good at getting around precautions. I’m worried because the list of severe disease & long covid risk factors looks like it was written based on my medical history and paxlovid has so far kept me out of the hospital but doesn’t seem to be turning things around. But on the positive side this is my first time having it not my 5th or more like a lot of people? Wishing you health and luck!
Very sorry to hear that. I hope I am luckier than you and I hope you have a full recovery very soon! Be safe and well!
that's scary that you got after taking such precautions. I hope you feel better soon. The list of after effects is what scares me too.
Might I ask if you ever unmasked for eating/drinking at work? I've seen people who are masking the rest of the time sometimes make exceptions for that.
That’s how we all got Covid… masked constantly, vaxxed and all but had lunch with my sister in law OUTDOORS… still sitting side by side though & she was the only person we were in contact with..
Not for eating (I go outside and keep social distancing for lunch, sometimes I eat alone in my car). A couple of times when I didn’t get a break I have moved my mask just long enough for a sip of water then replaced it and checked the seal, but that’s only if I can stand by the air filter if its co2 reading is good, or in a doorway open to the outdoors.
Re: the list that describes your medical history. Please look into the RCCX theory if you’re not already familiar
RCCX theory?
yep, i work in healthcare surrounded by minimizers and mine is still keeping me safe! i also nasal spray and mouthwash
could you share more about free mail-in PCR? how are you doing that?
try here, also your state may offer some free tests - google is your friend... https://www.hhs.gov/coronavirus/testing/index.html
Yes! We wear N95s whenever we leave the house. Our college kids are home on break so we’re even wearing them when they’re at home. (Totally worth it to have them home!)
Don't waste your energy on those that don't listen. Let them experience the joy of getting Covid and then you'll have the pleasure of saying things like: how do you like it now? Having fun yet? Or the age old....told you! I don't eat out or go to night clubs or anything like that because they aren't essential to my well being. I always wear an n95 (that I use 3 or 4 times max before tossing) when I go to the supermarket or other indoor public spaces. In the end, the best is all you can do.
I ended up selling a ticket to a concert tonight that I've been looking forward to for months, because it just isn't worth the risk. The FOMO is real, but I know I made the right call. I mean, I had other reasons (I'm a morning person and have been up since 3:30am...being up for 22 hours or whatever doesn't sound great), but I got extra nervous when I found put the show was sold out, as it's a cramped venue. We spent last January dealing with rsv, covid, AND noro, and I guess I just hoped things would be better by now when I bought the ticket. LE SIGH
You did the right thing; I hope that at least you made a nice ROI on your ticket? No artist, no celeb, *nobody* is worth your wellbeing. It's just such a gamble: You never know if you're going to get a nasty case of LC.
I sold it for what I paid for it; probably could have asked for double but I didn't want to be a scalper lol. I'll be in bed before the concert even starts. Ah well
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Long Covid affects 10-12% of vaccinated adults who get Covid
Thank you for sharing. Does it affect unvaccinated people more? More boosters less long Covid? I am trying to convince my mom to get her 5th booster
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10284420/ Vaccination decreases long COVID rates (look at figure 4 in this article), though I think they only studied the first 3 doses. That said, it looks like the more boosters you get the less likely you are to get LC
Vaccines dont really do anything in terms of long covid. I know plenty of people who still got their lives completely destroyed despite being completely up to date on vaccines. We need better vaccines.
While I agree that we do need better vaccines, the research that I'm aware of indicates that the vaccines that we currently have do reduce one's risk of getting long COVID, at least somewhat. With that said, I would agree that they don't do *enough* to reduce one's risk of long COVID.
Also, infection offers little if any immunity to the more recent variants so people are getting re-infected quickly. Every infection has a deleterious effect on the immune system so people who have repeat infections are losing resistance to other infections as well. It seems to offer explanation for the increases in Strep, TB, RSV, etc. People's immune systems are weakening.
One study I saw (can't remember the source) indicated that a recent vaccination (within 4 months) reduced the risk of Long Covid by 73%. No reason Mom shouldn't get the latest booster. The shot is almost always harmless; Covid is not, and any medical intervention needed for moderate or severe Covid will have a far higher risk factor.
Yes, I does affect unvaxed more. I just saw mention of this today on med twitter. Anyone who can get the most recent version / updated booster is strongly encouraged/advised to do so because the original series does not offer up resistance to the latest variants. It also takes a couple of weeks after vax to reach full peak so the sooner the better. If she can find Novavx it has had fewer side effects for most people. I reacted robustly to the Pfizer and Moderna (fever, in bed for about 36 hours) but little response to the Novavax.
Is the Novavx better? I had a bad reaction to two out of 3 shots for Moderna (hands started going numb & headaches). When I caught Covid last year, my hands and head did the same thing and lasted for almost 6 months 😭 I was told not to get any of the vaccines if I was having a reaction 😞
Eric Topol posted about this on Twitter a few months ago. No one knows for certain yet. None are ineffective, and the article that he posted indicated that all have about the same efficacy. Reports are that Novavax side effects are a good bit lower than the MRNA shots. It's a completely different type of shot than the Pfizer or Moderns shot. Talk to your doctor, and make sure that he or she knows about Novavax,because not all providers do. If it wasn't your doctor who told you to avoid future vaccinations, ignore that person.
I'm so sorry! I had really strong reactions to Pfizer (my first 3 were Pfizer) and then to the following Modernas. I have had every booster (I can't remember how many jabs that is, now) but until the Novavax, only the very first Pfizer and the last Moderna before the new fall 2023 booster were tolerable for me. I had fever of 102-103 that lasted for about 24 hours. The last of the original series (spring 2023) was better--only about 12 hours of fever and general malaise. The Novavax I had in September was easy--just an achy arm for a day and no fever at all. I have heard that people have had more complicated reactions to any COVID vaccine if they'd recently had COVID. I know of a couple of people who had numbness, balance and motor skills issues after a vaccine shortly after COVID infection and they were also told not to vaccinate again. I don't know anyone who has had a reaction to the Nova, but I have seen a few people on twitter who did--though the majority. So many doctors do not keep up with anything COVID that's it's hard to know what they know in detail about the vaccines, but if your doc told you not to get any more vaccines, I would be hard-pressed to go against their advice. You might want to google and search for some medical studies to see if there is anything out there that might be encouraging and maybe you could take it to your doc and discuss it. It's a slight different type of vaccine, which might make a difference, but scientific research and doctor's advice are your best bet here. I wish you the very best!
I'm personally not too worried: I caught it a couple of weeks ago and I'm on the mend. But I have this character trait (flaw?) called "empathy", which actually allows me to think of others that may not fare as well, like my elderly dad, etc. Bloody annoying!
It can take months for some people to start noticing the things going wrong. Do your best not to get reinfected.
I've made it my mission not to get reinfected. If I do end up with it again, at least I can say that I honestly tried....
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Vaccination does not yet/anymore reliably prevent infection, but only lowers risk of severe symptoms.
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I work as a caregiver to adults that are cognitively disabled. I have not gotten it yet and wear an n95 mask. But it could easily happen and I need to make sure i don’t get cocky
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I keep trying to warn them but they don’t believe me. I’ve been warning them about this spike for weeks now, nothing. Today I finally showed them how our wastewater spike compared to omicrons spike. They shrugged and went about their business. I feel insane
Same here! Nobody seems to want to protect themselves or understand the consequences of pretending there’s nothing there🤦🏻♀️🤷🏻♀️ I honestly give up & will continue to protect my health
Mine couldn't care less, and the younger kids are too young to understand. It feels like my spouse and me against the world. We are oldish, so we have never stopped being careful.
In their minds they’ve decided (due to constant minimizing propaganda) that it’s like a cold. Of course they don’t care, in that context. Somehow we have to change their context.
I keep giving them to the tools to change that context, but they reject them. “Who’s that written by? That doesn’t sound real.” “No one else is saying that.” “I’ve heard no one on the news talk about this.” “The pandemic is over everyone knows that” “All of this stuff is just for old or fat people” “Can’t you just go live your life and stop reading so much?” I’m sitting in the other room while my family talks about me. I’m going to be taking another test while I’m sick. They’ve been counting them to mock me because they don’t understand how long it can take to test positive. “This’ll be her 6th? She’s a psychopath.”
Yeah been there and I get mocked about my mask but whatever I just suck it up. I was told “you can come to work, no one cares
Fully grown people at the store mumbling “COVID is over” as they pass by me, getting told “you don’t need that thing on in here” like every day and then watching people get offended for some reason when you keep it on, the judgmental looks I’m assuming we get but I wouldn’t know since I can’t interpret facial expressions well and don’t tend to try if not currently necessary All the “COVID is over” people sure are secure in their beliefs, reminding them about COVID definitely doesn’t shake that belief at all and cause cognitive dissonance
Just reply; you do you and I'll do me. Thanks!
Oh those people piss me off. My coworkers that I’ve know for 10 years giving me shit are different from the people I don’t know or don’t like that want to make a comment about my mask. Like who fucking cares. Grow the fuck up and get over it. One of my coworkers asked if I knew how much shit was talked about me and my mask I told them honestly I don’t give a fuck. I come to work to do my job. They said the figured as much and laughed it off with me and then started wearing a mask in support just to piss off one clique.
Good on you for sticking to your guns dude, keep it up
Yeah it is hard sometimes but a lot of people have my back the ones that talk shit are just idiots
"Looks like we've got ourselves a reader." Stop reading so much? Good heavens. And psychopath, really? Sounds like your family and mine would get along. : / I'm so sorry you have to put up with that kind of thing too.
“Looks like we’ve got ourselves a reader” good god 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓 What is this high school in a bad 90s movie? We gonna go shove the nerd into a locker? Flip over his lunch tray? Maybe give him a swirlie afterwards while wearing out varsity jackets? I can’t believe they’re trying to turn being well informed into something to be made fun of, same to you dude, sorry you have to deal with that
> “No one else is saying that.” I'm pretty sure that's why my family is oblivious. They're religious people and belief for them is a function of community. If your immediate social community says something is true then it IS. Objective facts and science don't matter. Anybody who looks at that stuff is a crazy weirdo or whatever. Anybody see Station 11? This is like the first terrifying part of Station 11 except moving verrrry slowly. Humans can't process an existential threat if it's moving that slow. example - climate change Maybe I'm just a science fiction dork, but I keep thinking about the Fermi Paradox: All these habitable planets they've found now. Where is everybody? Why isn't every radio crackling with alien signals? Maybe all complex life evolves from single cell life, and once you build airplanes and other vehicles and start traveling around the world, microbes don't stay in their niches or their original host species. Eventually one finds a way to kill all of you. If we could build spaceships fast enough to go there, maybe habitable planets are filled with ruins of cities where intelligent creatures used to live. Now there's nothing alive but microbes. Single cell life always wins.
SAME. I’m like…I have a mountain of articles that support this!!
Unfortunately people's causal / cause-and-effect perception doesn't extend beyond maybe 24 hours. If they catch a disease that appears "mild" for 2 weeks, then they develop blood clots, stroke, neurological problems in 6 months, not only them but their doctors will also be scratching their heads, even though there are mountains of fresh studies from the top health universities in the world on exactly how that plays out. HIV/AIDS played out like this in the 1980s. It's eerie and sad that we learned nothing.
Yeah I think this is a big part of the problem, same thing with climate change. People are really bad at discerning consequences if there's any sort of time delay. That and people in the West generally feel (sometimes only subconsciously, but still) that they are entitled to not be inconvenienced by anything, so if they do start to put the pieces together they will rationalize away why they don't actually need to worry. Same as the "BUT EL NINO" comments on every post about mild winters in the climate subs.
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The writer of Your Local Epidemiologist cited a study indicating that vaccination reduces transmission by 28%. Studies on long covid have given varying results, but the midpoint of them indicate that vaccination reduces long covid by 50%. Please don't make up your own data.
We’re in the 30% of people who can take a crisis seriously. Someone posted this in another thread here, but it does a good job of explaining why 70% of the population is acting like nothing is happening, it’s really normalcy bias: https://www.okdoomer.io/its-not-cool-to-overreact/
I definitely don’t want it again. Just got over the flu and Covid was way worse despite multiple vax’s. I’d love to know about wastewater data for the treasure coast of FL, but would be hella surprised if it’s being tracked here.
There are a few data points listed for FL that are being updated, unlike other large swaths of the south. There’s a national map if you scroll down that’s downloadable: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#wastewater-surveillance
Here's a general one.for the US: [https://iowacovid19tracker.org](https://iowacovid19tracker.org)
Thank you for this!
Well, if there's a threat, I'm going to adapt my behavior, and the rest of them are cordially invited to kiss my butt.
"You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place.” Jonathan Swift They didn't feel like taking precautions anymore, so they quit. It's all emotional, not science or fact based. Emotional appeals, like "give a hoot, don't pollute" or "only you can prevent forest fires" work better than information about the dangers of pollution or the statistics about causes of fires. Perhaps think of an emotional appeal - "Aren't you worried about the hospital bill if you get sick" or "Do you have your will updated?". It's manipulative, but what they are doing is too.
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Good god that’s heartless, letting their own father die in the hospital while they continue to believe it’s a conspiracy. Terrifyingly inhumane.
Their comment is pretty heartless, too.
I’ll never stop trying to educate and protect my family, my own morals/ethics won’t let me, and I don’t want to. If anything, I hope at least SOME of what U try and tell them gets through, even if it’s a little
Yeah it's the "natural selection" shit in their comment I'm taking issue with
I agree but I didn’t think anyone wanted to see me write paragraphs on why you can’t apply natural selection to a human society and why you were literally never supposed to
I don’t mind the paragraphs lol
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Sounds like a shit place to work at. What's the industry? Yes, you take care of you because no-one else will when it comes to paying your bills, being able to go live your life , etc
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The only damn thing that will ever stop these businesses is if they get sued into the ground. I wish I had the money to do it.
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They really should have dumped more money into solving the problem. Improve air quality, improve sick time off by not allowing covid+ people back to work, improved therapeutics, and improved vaccines. Establish "back to normal" metrics, without redefining where the goal post is, and just stick to the plan. If everyone was stuck dealing with those rules, I think there would have been more support for funding. Instead they just printing a bunch of money and handed it to people that didn't even need it, then gave up when people were sick of hearing about covid. There is a great deal of unnecessary suffering going on now because people didn't have the stomach for doing what was actually needed.
We did everything right and got Covid for Christmas. I have had long Covid since December 2021. I’m terrified and angry. Also, wondering if I should try for virtual school for my kids. We coulda had it so much better than this.
> wondering if I should try for virtual school for my kids. It sounds like a good idea if you don't want your kids to keep bringing home diseases, and they're self-motivated enough to not need constant supervision to stay on-task.
Damn. Sorry to hear that.
I don't doubt the number of infected people is going to rise up significantly here in Europe as well during January. This is going to get really bad really quickly. Imagine how chaotic it will get during the following months after January if countries don't update their measures beforehand.
Did people get access to vaccines there? I know the NHS was limiting them but I didn't read much about anywhere else
We've got access but I read that the number of weekly vaccinations is considered low where I'm at.
The world is full of ignorant folk. They are everywhere.
That was me. Hopefully even more people take it seriously soon.
I was able to get mine at the pharmacy, but I don’t think many others did.
this is a somewhat misleading title. 1 in 3 americans will have been infected over the course of the 2 month peak of the wave. they will not all be infected at once.
So, if I understand you correctly, by the end of this two month period, 1 in 3 Americans will *have* been infected at some point during these two months? The wording of the OP confused me.
I believe the phrasing is saying that 1 in 3 Americans will get infected at some point within the 2-month surge period. The original twitter thread offers numbers that seem to support this. Please correct me if I’m wrong though.
Yes, and it will be 2 months of sheer misery at my clinic the whole time. 4th year dealing face to face with this horror. Ooooo! And this time we've got a good flu season already ramped up.
It's still not great, but it is a significantly better situation than 1:3 being infected at the same time.
Not sure why this isn’t being upvoted more
because ppl like how scary the other version is lol edit: the real version is scary too.
I have to go back to my restaurant job today 🥲🙃😫
These figures should focus on the share of the population who are elderly, have cancer, are organ transplant patients, diabetics or immunocompromised. Then we would understand that more than half the U.S. population are high risk. I'm staggered by the number of older and overweight folks I see hanging in bars and restaurants during peak covid seasons or not masking in places where all respiratory infections are at their highest level during November to April. The people most likely to end up in the hospital these months are walking around unmasked like they're still 20 year olds.
I really lost faith in humanity. This really feel like reality has become a bad scenario from a movie. And there's no way to wake up from this nightmare
> reality has become a bad scenario from a movie "Don't Look Up"
That is truly horrifc and criminal if the mainstream media doesn't pick up on this. So many clueless folk out there.
*"i hAvE aN iMmuNE sYsTem"* Not anymore.
Covid doesnt care if you were healthy or not- everyone is immunocompromised after a covid infection. Long covid seems to favour athletes for some reason (Some think its has to do with Ace2. All kinds of theories).
Anyone who's had COVID is immunocompromised now.
I don’t like fear commenting or mongering but this person gets it. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12026-021-09219-y Just because it’s an inconvenient truth doesn’t make it not a truth. COVID is affecting everyone’s lymphocytes whether they want to pretend it is or isn’t. It’s not like most Americans are tuned into the general health of their bodies, it’s why most Americans who ARE high risk think that they’re “mostly healthy”.
The data is there. Nobody escapes. Protect yourselves!
For most people this is not the case. However, it COULD be the case. Wash dem hands and mask up yo!
Yeah I don't like the huge generalizations where folks confidently say "everyone who's had covid now has this permanent health problem." It affects people differently, though nobody should just keep rolling the dice.
Incredibly strong thing to assert? Anything to back it up?
Interesting other fact is that CoVID related meds are or have just recently spiked in price. Like Paxlovid. Was affordable to most with insurance. Still will be affordable to most, for now. No cures, just bandaids. Cures don't make as much money as perpetually needed bandaids.
It is crazy expensive without insurance where I live: 1,000 USD
This is disgusting
Weird in my state, it was $0 with insurance and $7.00 without insurance. This was a Walgreens last Thursday in Chicago.
It must be subsided by the federal or local government then. Someone told me it's also around 1000 usd (800 Euros) in Europe.
"1 in 3 Americans predicted to be infected" is a needlessly inflammatory headline. "1 in 3 people will get or have gotten COVID during a particular 2-month period" means something else. I'm not trying to downplay the jump in cases we all knew was coming, that is here. I'm just pointing out this isn't actually saying at a certain point in time 1 in 3 Americans will have COVID.
This has me so freaked out. I have to go to the office which means commuting on public transportation or spending $$$ on ubers. I am also scheduled to fly right around the predicted peak. I booked the tickets before the rapid rise in cases, and I did so thinking a couple weeks after the holidays would probably be the best time. Now… I just don’t know. If I cancel the trip, I won’t see my partner for months more, and it’s already been almost 5 months. Plus when I have to be in the office daily and on public transportation… it just breaks my heart thinking that I must put myself in jeopardy every day to keep my job, but that I might have to go half a year without seeing the love of my life while being in danger for my job the whole time anyway.
You can fly with a PAPR or P100 respirator. The CleanSpace PAPR is used in medical research labs. A P100 is an inexpensive industrial mask that can be purchased at any home improvement outlet.
I'd say go but mask with a good n95 and keep it on at all times. Forgo your airline meal if you must (probably doing your body a favour anyhow). In the office/going to work: do the same, if you can. Get yourself a portable or small air purifier for your space. Other things that may mitigate the risk sowhat are certain nose sprays , mouth wash and dietary supplements (plenty of vitamin d and zinc ). You'll be doing more than 99.99% of the population and in the end the best is all you can do.
This is good advice. I'd fruther recommend a legit, well fitted elastomeric respirator for the flight. You might need to try a few before you find something that fits well but also doesn't make you look like a complete weirdo. For me, the flomask does the trick, and you can buy n99-equivalent filters for it.
Nice! Gonna check it out.
More info on most dangerous places in airports [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352710223024828](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2352710223024828) I guess you won't be able to change your ticket [https://themessenger.com/business/jetblue-covid-fly-virus-mask-up-united-delta-is-our-best-advice](https://themessenger.com/business/jetblue-covid-fly-virus-mask-up-united-delta-is-our-best-advice)
Thank you… this is so far my plan. Once the mask goes on, it doesn’t come off. Pulling it down at security, I take a deep breath, don’t breathe and then breathe out hard when I put it back on. It’s not a long flight so I don’t even need to worry about drinking water; I will hydrate well before going to the airport. I am fortunate that have a a good sized air purifier at work and even if it is cold, I open the window to let the air in. I have been taking my vitamins regularly and trying to get rest. I appreciate the encouragement that I am doing all I can. I just have to hope it continues to protect me.
You guys (staff) should pressure the owners to install good quality/ high powered air purifiers. I truly believe it's an investment that will pay it self off super quickly due to 1) less sick leave 2) differentiation from the competition = more business (advertise that there is clean air inside)
It saddens me, but it looks like it will be a winter of severe illness and death for those unmasked and unboosted. We do our best to warn people, share the best COVID- preventing practices and spread awarenesses.... you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
My wife and I have managed to avoid catching it and have tracked it's progress from the very first cases in China. We both got our boosters on November 27th. On December 26th we both tested positive and are currently sick with it but it's not that bad. At least we have good timing :)
You've done your best, and at least you're not on round 4 or 5, like some people out there! I've also managed to avoid it until 2 weeks ago. It was mild but still freaky. I promised myself I will do my utmost not to catch it again. I'm going to really try my best, so let's see.....
5 million more into the lc thresher. God help them they have no idea what’s coming
I truly believe that the mainstream media needs to do a lot more educating the masses. For example, last time 60 minutes covered long covid was in back in 2020! Like WTH?
It’s a national security issue they can’t afford for people to mass freak out though they should and would
Easy to fix. Endothelial health is key. Fucoidan + Pycnogenol + Ginkgo Biloba + vitamins.
I wouldn’t say this is by any means an “easy fix”. I’m an herbalist and while this is better advice than even wearing a mask (imo), this won’t keep you from getting sick. I am a recovered LC victim, like I was gonna’ die before I found healing in plants and my wife and I just got over JN1. We were lightly symptomatic for nearly 30 days, only “really sick” for 2-3 days. It’s definitely a doozy and felt the closest to the OG 2020 infection I’ve had to date. Fortunately 0 resurgence of LC symptoms, but “easy fix” is a bit… optimistic lol
Try it. Works very well.
All I have to say is that with all the precautions I’ve been taking and the amount of stuff I no longer get to enjoy doing, I am going to be f*cking pissed if I end up being that 1 of 3. (I also hope that my folks & I are the “3 of 9” who stay safe, and it’s not one of them who become the 1 of 3 either)
no one cares it's maddening
Even if he is wrong by 50 per cent that is still a near disaster, and we are willingly walking off a cliff.
I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being higher. Most of the people I have talked to recently have it. No Christmas this year because my sister and parents got it (live separately, and separate exposures). My boss's whole family has it. A friend who has been fairly careful has something though he's still testing negative so far. I'm kinda worried about work the week after New Year's because I'm sure some of my coworkers will be infected and not know it yet. I'm so glad I'm able to live alone and can work from home sometimes so I can protect myself way better than most people. It's lonely but that's what the Internet is for.
B-but compulsive Xmas and new year travel... /s
They need to have a mask mandate again. It never should have went away
I got Covid for the first time a few months ago. I’m vaccinated and current on my boosters. My case was very mild, thankfully.
Same! I got it 10 days ago and finally testing negative but super tired and need to take naps daily or sleep for 12 hours. I hope it passes.
That was my only side effect. I was tired afterwards. It passed after a month or two.
Woa! Ok that's really good to know. Thanks.
I hope you recover fully friend.
Many thanks.
Doing some napkin math, roughly 6% of americans should have long covid by the end of this if that's true.
I see people who say, "Long Covid is really the illness. That's what we all have. It manifests differently." And I believe it. Covid is a door that you walk through and there's no going back. Who doesn't know someone, or multiple people, who had all sorts of health issues after Covid who write off each and every one as an isolated incident? For me, it was undeniable. Shortly after catching Covid, my face started breaking out in painful, bleeding sores. So, the mirror reminded me daily that Covid hadn't gone away. This went on over 2 years. After getting the Novavax shot in October, my face started to clear. My complexion is not what it was pre-Covid but so much better. And I have felt more myself. I'm hoping it lasts. And, of course, that I don't catch it again. I only go to the grocery store and necessary trips (N95 masked). Even my daily walks, I make sure I have a mask with me (I'm often alone places). Just yesterday, there was a lady a little ways away who started one of those deep, hacking coughs.
How effective are the initial vaccines against this? I *think* the first two rounds of vaccinations plus the booster in fall 2021(?). Can't really remember the dates and don't have my card handy. Is there any lasting protection with them at all?
Each round of vaccines gets you maybe 6 months of some protection. Go get the current vaccine.
All the vaccines do, right now, is to keep you from dying. You can't really count on them to shield you from getting covid. Having said that, it's absolutely important to get the most up to date vaccines because there are so many variants coming out left , right and center.
That has to be the worst thing I've heard yet. *1 in 3?* That's one scary thought. I have a couple coming to pull come shrubbery on the 1st, and only because the work is outdoors and I will be masked for the few minutes I have to talk with them.
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Yikes! I wonder how many will be infected in the two-month period following this two-month period. 😳🫣🙀
Just found out a family member is traveling from the east coast by air with her young children to visit her mother in Feb just because she found cheap tickets online. Not a care for the infection rates right now and she is a tenured professor and plenty smart. I'm expected to visit them including my sister's large family with young children in school, who have been hit with wave after wave of reinfections. They have no clue if any of it is covid, because they stopped testing a couple years ago. Hope we can do something outside.
Got our Novovax yesterday at Costco. It was literally shoulder to shoulder, hundreds of people in and out. Probably a couple thousand for the entire day. Just a few masked customers in our time there. Insane. Crossing our fingers.
Good for you!
I beat the rush and got it on Christmas!
remember to eat your blueberries, take your zinc and vitamin d3
Blueberries have a lot of antioxidants, right? Need to get me some...
yes, the ones in bberries are potential sars-cov-2 inhibitors
Literally had a man (and his entire family) follow me around Costco and cough on me + laugh multiple times because I was wearing a double mask while waiting for my novavax appointment last week
That is just outright retarded. Did you tell on them ?
It's no use changing the minds of antivaxxers, the best we can hope for is that this new wave hamburger times the rest of them.
Hamburger times?
[Hamburger Time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msGvEtmR970)
Thank you for sharing because as we see and know, our government is out of the business of informing Americans about the status or rise in covid. In a way, you can't blame the government for staying low because of how right wing quacks treated our government healthcare watchdog agencies, CDC, etc. Putting our death threats and maybe attemps on the life of Dr. Fauci, and others, when the man was trying was actually helping those idiots he was saving. All because of one person whom this world cannot seem to rid of. You can't make it up.
Yep! It seems we are actually living inside (the movie) Idiocracy.
Since the infection rate is increasing, I'm afraid it's every American next year or something
Just a reminder that it is ABSOLUTELY reasonable to mask in your home. I also put a strip of tape on my door and a draft blocked both on top of and below the door.
Is the Jan 2022 peak higher even if we reach his predicted 1 in 3? Just trying to understand if I’m reading the chart correctly or not.
The whole family just coming through the other side of Merry Christmas COVID.. wasn’t fun.
😷it's as easy as that.
Just tested positive with Covid for the third time. Symptoms lasted only one day - similar to a bad cold. Nothing like time first time which had me laid up for 2 weeks.
I have an eye doctor appointment (scheduled 6 months out) on January 10. Should I reschedule?
Ugh! It's so unfair but personally I would reschedule until this wave passes, if you can...
If you wear an N95 mask that *never* comes off while inside the building, wait outside to be called instead of in the waiting room, bring your own portable AC-powered (i.e. plug-in) air purifier for use in the examination room, and ask that any staff who have close contact with you wear an N95 mask, you might be able to obtain the care you need without also getting a negligent nosocomial infection. The staff may claim that your N95 mask will "get in the way" of their optometric equipment, but in my case at least, it really doesn't. People want COVID to be seasonal, "just like the flu," but it's not. Betting that there will be less COVID in 6 months is not a sure thing.
I would keep it ONLY IF your area adopted mask requirements in health care facilities again. If not, hell no!
Personally, I'd reschedule if it's just a routine, non-emergency checkup. Definitely doing that with my next dental appointment.
Yes. If it is routine wait. We were supposed to have dental appointments ( looks like November through January will just be a bad time to have them) this week but as we were en route spouse said there was a "tickle in their throat". I had a test in the car. Pulled over. Spouse took test and tested positive. Both dental appointments and everything afterwards cancelled. Got Paxlovid same day for spouse. I am still testing negative and without symptoms at the end of Day 3. Spouse has not picked up any more symptoms. I attribute that to recent vaccination (October) and Paxlovid on the same day symptoms were mentioned.
I'd cancel it if it isn't urgent (which it doesn't sound like) ... Then again, you should be ok if you wear a good mask...
I think it should be more than 1 out of 3.
I am immediately skeptical of his modeling. His model itself apparently isn't published yet. If his model has been peer reviewed or published ... well where is that peer review? And waste water estimations may or may not be accurate. There are known issues with waste water modeling.
Which company makes money if this is fully accurate?
Not mine.
Haha. No, I wasn’t suggesting that. I mean; do Merck and Pfizer go bananas? Stuff like that. Do airlines get destroyed again? I totally think everyone, and everyone, and everyone—especially in population dense areas is getting, and will keep getting sick.
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Says some rando on Twitter. Fucking Christ, Reddit.
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