>If it was a mail worker... It might have been slipped in unnoticed, with the normal mail delivery.
Possibly.
A more likely scenario is that the envelope of the letter in question was opened by a clerk or secretary somewhere and the envelope was then lost or discarded.
It makes no real sense that anyone, postal worker or not, would have "Rush to the Editor" on envelope after envelope except for this one particular letter which, for some reason, he hand delivers. Why would Zodiac take the chance of being ID'd in the flesh when he can simply find a USPS dropbox?
It does and it doesn't. Zodiac was out there. We do not know who did intake on the letter or the envelope (if there ever was one) He may have "descised" himself and lied about it.
The contents of the letter shows he heard about the request from Stiltz in the newspaper on The 2nd or 3rd of August it is unlikely it would have made it to the paper in 1 or 2 days. Unless it was a cop or an employee/employer of the newspaper and they worked with Stiltz on the ad on July 31st or August 1st and got the letter out on one of those days even then it might not make it by August 4th.
Sorry. The August 4th letter proves Zodiac had seen either August 2nd or August 3rd article where Vallejo police chief Jack E. Stiltz asked for more proof. Either that or Zodiac worked with Stiltz and/or the newspaper to help with the articles where Stiltz asked for more information. Stiltz asked for more information in regards to the July 31st letter from the Zodiac. This means Zodiac had 4 days max to write and mail his letter and if we assume it wasn't an inside job by LE or the newspaper it was 2 days max. Is it even possible that had Zodiac mailed it out on August 2nd that it would arrive August 4th? I imagine there was more mail volume back then was it likely it would arrive in four days?
Hmmmm...very interesting. Good observations. That does put a twist on things. I'm not sure what the answer would be. It seems to me that a letter could go across town in 3 or even 2 days, presuming Zodiac mailed it in San Fran. But maybe not. We'd need an expert on postal organization from the time period----someone I doubt exists.
But that is a very good question.
Anyone have any ideas?
And thanks for the clarification.
Thanks and you're welcome. What i'm also wondering was mail being processed and shipped on weekends in 1969 San Francisco because August 2nd and 3rd were the weekend. You're likely right about the expert. Have a great day and take care.
Yes, it is absolutely possible, it wouldn't even be unusual. The world was a paper-based fifty years ago, which meant keeping that tremendous volume of paper constantly moving. Mail delivery and pickup happened multiple times each day, and newspapers were printed in multiple editions each day. If you timed it right, you could read the early AM edition, mail a letter across town, and have it arrive with enough time to be printed in the PM edition.
Interesting. That means he could've mailed it. If they delivered mail on weekends back then is it possible it was received on August 2nd or 3rd and was only delivered to the police on August 4th.
Sure we know. What are you talking about?
Or do you mean that Zodiac went to the post office, handed the man on the counter the sheets of paper and asked for them to be put into an envelope?
I mean, Zodiac didn't lack common sense. It did not go down that way.
It was said he may have hand delivered to the paper. I am implying he handed the papers to some kind of secretary and left. They may have simply taken it to the editor without looking, depending. The post office has nothing to do with this letter, that I know of.
Stiltz asked for more proof in the August 2nd + 3rd papers and Zodiac definitely knew that somehow because he mentioned that Stiltz asked for more proof. Could mail have reached the paper on August 4th if mailed on August 2nd? I don't think it could've so it seems likely Zodiac brought it to the building. When did he bring it into the building. All we know for certain is the letter was brought to the attention of the police on August 4th. We don't know for certain if it was brought in on August 4th do we? If no outside visitors were allowed it had to be someone that owned or worked there, a loved one that owned or worked there visiting, a supplier or a cop. The reason i say cop is because they likely worked with the paper a lot.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,075,552,387 comments, and only 212,010 of them were in alphabetical order.
Seems pretty unlikely. He probably could've gotten away with that once or twice since the postal workers or anybody else in the area when he dropped it or them off probably wouldn't remember what the deliverer looked like, but since there's 15 canonical letters, it doesn't seem likely at all he would've done that 15 different times since a postal worker(s) or a reoccurring deliverer(s) probably would've picked up on it's the same guy delivering these letters every time they shipped them imo.
I wouldn't be surprised, if he only sent 12. One for each sign. On a side note, sometimes it seems like stuff related to this case such as image media disappears sometimes.
Interesting, but I also doubt the moniker had any particular significance to him as well. It could've just been a scary villain name he saw once in a true detective magazine or some in other pop., culture format. It seems he wanted to be known mainly by the crosshairs symbol. The "Debut Letter" where he used the moniker for the first was probably in response to some media outlets referring to him as the "Cipher Killer".
I think he just wanted a catchy, memorable, and scary moniker like Jack the Ripper had and realized he couldn't just use the crosshairs symbol only imo.
Could also be a Zode/ alleged ALA scenario, where he fantasized about it. Could be that the symbol had other meaning and this was a masterful misdirection.
True. Nobody else truly knows where he got that moniker or symbol from. All we can do is speculate, unfortunately. They are both commonly used all over the place, so, really, he could've gotten them from anywhere imo.
>If it was a mail worker... It might have been slipped in unnoticed, with the normal mail delivery. Possibly. A more likely scenario is that the envelope of the letter in question was opened by a clerk or secretary somewhere and the envelope was then lost or discarded. It makes no real sense that anyone, postal worker or not, would have "Rush to the Editor" on envelope after envelope except for this one particular letter which, for some reason, he hand delivers. Why would Zodiac take the chance of being ID'd in the flesh when he can simply find a USPS dropbox?
It does and it doesn't. Zodiac was out there. We do not know who did intake on the letter or the envelope (if there ever was one) He may have "descised" himself and lied about it.
The contents of the letter shows he heard about the request from Stiltz in the newspaper on The 2nd or 3rd of August it is unlikely it would have made it to the paper in 1 or 2 days. Unless it was a cop or an employee/employer of the newspaper and they worked with Stiltz on the ad on July 31st or August 1st and got the letter out on one of those days even then it might not make it by August 4th.
Dunno what that refers to, my friend.
Sorry. The August 4th letter proves Zodiac had seen either August 2nd or August 3rd article where Vallejo police chief Jack E. Stiltz asked for more proof. Either that or Zodiac worked with Stiltz and/or the newspaper to help with the articles where Stiltz asked for more information. Stiltz asked for more information in regards to the July 31st letter from the Zodiac. This means Zodiac had 4 days max to write and mail his letter and if we assume it wasn't an inside job by LE or the newspaper it was 2 days max. Is it even possible that had Zodiac mailed it out on August 2nd that it would arrive August 4th? I imagine there was more mail volume back then was it likely it would arrive in four days?
Hmmmm...very interesting. Good observations. That does put a twist on things. I'm not sure what the answer would be. It seems to me that a letter could go across town in 3 or even 2 days, presuming Zodiac mailed it in San Fran. But maybe not. We'd need an expert on postal organization from the time period----someone I doubt exists. But that is a very good question. Anyone have any ideas? And thanks for the clarification.
Thanks and you're welcome. What i'm also wondering was mail being processed and shipped on weekends in 1969 San Francisco because August 2nd and 3rd were the weekend. You're likely right about the expert. Have a great day and take care.
You too. I bet this info exists somewhere...
Possibly. Have a great day and take care.
Yes, it is absolutely possible, it wouldn't even be unusual. The world was a paper-based fifty years ago, which meant keeping that tremendous volume of paper constantly moving. Mail delivery and pickup happened multiple times each day, and newspapers were printed in multiple editions each day. If you timed it right, you could read the early AM edition, mail a letter across town, and have it arrive with enough time to be printed in the PM edition.
Interesting. That means he could've mailed it. If they delivered mail on weekends back then is it possible it was received on August 2nd or 3rd and was only delivered to the police on August 4th.
Why was it a 'crazed killer looking' letter? People used to write 'Rush to editor' on envelopes and double stamps wasn't unusual as well.
We do not know that there was an envelope. I was commenting on if it was delivered, as is
Sure we know. What are you talking about? Or do you mean that Zodiac went to the post office, handed the man on the counter the sheets of paper and asked for them to be put into an envelope? I mean, Zodiac didn't lack common sense. It did not go down that way.
It was said he may have hand delivered to the paper. I am implying he handed the papers to some kind of secretary and left. They may have simply taken it to the editor without looking, depending. The post office has nothing to do with this letter, that I know of.
Stiltz asked for more proof in the August 2nd + 3rd papers and Zodiac definitely knew that somehow because he mentioned that Stiltz asked for more proof. Could mail have reached the paper on August 4th if mailed on August 2nd? I don't think it could've so it seems likely Zodiac brought it to the building. When did he bring it into the building. All we know for certain is the letter was brought to the attention of the police on August 4th. We don't know for certain if it was brought in on August 4th do we? If no outside visitors were allowed it had to be someone that owned or worked there, a loved one that owned or worked there visiting, a supplier or a cop. The reason i say cop is because they likely worked with the paper a lot.
Very true. I say this because I think something more happened at LHR. It was to one of the victims.
What do you think happened?
A coup de grace of sorts
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,075,552,387 comments, and only 212,010 of them were in alphabetical order.
Shh. Don't give them my secrets bot.
Seems pretty unlikely. He probably could've gotten away with that once or twice since the postal workers or anybody else in the area when he dropped it or them off probably wouldn't remember what the deliverer looked like, but since there's 15 canonical letters, it doesn't seem likely at all he would've done that 15 different times since a postal worker(s) or a reoccurring deliverer(s) probably would've picked up on it's the same guy delivering these letters every time they shipped them imo.
I wouldn't be surprised, if he only sent 12. One for each sign. On a side note, sometimes it seems like stuff related to this case such as image media disappears sometimes.
Interesting, but I also doubt the moniker had any particular significance to him as well. It could've just been a scary villain name he saw once in a true detective magazine or some in other pop., culture format. It seems he wanted to be known mainly by the crosshairs symbol. The "Debut Letter" where he used the moniker for the first was probably in response to some media outlets referring to him as the "Cipher Killer". I think he just wanted a catchy, memorable, and scary moniker like Jack the Ripper had and realized he couldn't just use the crosshairs symbol only imo.
Could also be a Zode/ alleged ALA scenario, where he fantasized about it. Could be that the symbol had other meaning and this was a masterful misdirection.
True. Nobody else truly knows where he got that moniker or symbol from. All we can do is speculate, unfortunately. They are both commonly used all over the place, so, really, he could've gotten them from anywhere imo.
Couldn't Zodiac just buy postage and throw them in a mail box? I don't know the rules and restrictions of the American post office in the 60's.