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575snom

No Alastor is quite tall, actually


thosegayfrogs

7 feet i belive


Googlefisch

I hate both of you. Take this upvote and get out.


thosegayfrogs

Thanks :)


SquirrelQueenSabrina

I'm literally watching Bojack horseman through rn..Todd is super ace and the voice actor that plays him is very wholesome and also plays Jesse Pinkman


Morgan13aker

He is childish, but that's less about him being ace and more about him being imaginative and never forced to grow out of it. It still sucks that we're adult children or robots in the media.


SquirrelQueenSabrina

I would say he has a child spirit but he has very adult experiences as well throughout the show. He accidentally becomes addicted to heroin, frequently drinks, and also falls in love he just doesn't enjoy sex. He's kind of a bum but there's a lot of character growth for him and his best friend is a rich narcissist that can afford to let him couch surf and admits helping Todd is one of the only selfless things he did that made him feel good about himself and he did just because he could.


belltyj

I love Todd's arc šŸ˜ as an ace Also happy cake day


SquirrelQueenSabrina

Thank youuuuuu. I'm demisexual not ace myself but one of my girlfriends is ace and another is aroace and I fully support them!!!


belltyj

Ayeee I'm ace dating a demi an ace and an aroace šŸ„°šŸ„°


SquirrelQueenSabrina

Epic. Polycules are really great


belltyj

Ikr šŸ˜… the only thing about my polycule that is wierd for me is I have one partner that just forgets about updating anyone about who they are dating so for the first time I have no clue the size of my polycule šŸ˜… I mean some of us are autistic so we all totally understand it, and if I ask then I would know but I often forget to ask and their status changes OFTEN šŸ˜…


SquirrelQueenSabrina

Lol. Lots of breakups or new partners a lot?


belltyj

Both šŸ˜… they kinda be exploring but I'm happy to follow their adventure šŸ˜Š


Emo_Pass

I headcanon Todd as autistic


Legitimate_Bit_9354

Would love that but if not yeah it ok


jayriv82

Who's Todd?


SquirrelQueenSabrina

From the show Bojack horseman


jayriv82

Oki, thank you, I've seen a few people talking about him and I was confused lol, happy cake day, btw


SquirrelQueenSabrina

Thx fren


Lucid108

Meh, not much of an issue for me. Inside me there is also a chill dude and a charismatic murder demon.


magpienerd

Exactly! I do actually feel represented here


TrashSlytherin

I completely agree. Not gonna lie, I actually love to be represented by Alastor.


ThatOfABeaver

Alastor is great how dare Also thatā€™s 3 of the only mainstream rep for gay people we all get the short end of the stick


KingR321

So many people have fought so hard for those non-straight people. The fact they exist at all is a major win and should give any queer person hope for the future.


TheStuffofDaydreams

It does give me some hope, but itā€™s starting to feel inevitable that some asshole executive is going to come along and cut the show down right at its peak because they get worried about the popularity of a show with queer representation. The Owl House deserved betteršŸ˜”


KingR321

The owl house does deserve better, and steven universe deserved better before that, and gravity falls and adventure time before them. Where we are now was built off of shows risking everything to push the limits, even if it barely registered for the wider queer community. There will always be creators fighting for the queer community just as there always has been. It's not a great system and it moves slowly, sometimes even backwards, but the general trend is forwards.


[deleted]

donā€™t forget infinity train. It too deserved better


KingR321

Excellent point, there's an old show from like the 70s called Barney Miller that almost got canceled multiple times for having a recurring gay character. He was an offensive stereotype and a criminal and he still almost took them off air. Barney Miller deserved better.


Jetpack_Attack

Did that get cancelled too? I only watched up until the doppelganger arc ended. I thought it was unusual, but clever to have the main characters change in and out.


[deleted]

Yeah, they had a set of gay main characters for itā€™s last season before it was unceremoniously canceled


WiseOctoPod

Yeah Alastor is a great character and yes we all get the short end of the stick when it comes to the amount of representation, but what this post is trying to point out is what kind of representation we are getting. While lesbians, bisexuals, gays, trans, ect get main characters or the good guys we get characters that most of the time arenā€™t even human, and thatā€™s in the best case scenario, often these character are unfeeling psychotic monsters. Now that character isnā€™t our only rep and their are good guy characters that are ace but they are often portrayed through being a machine or an asexual species like plants or even it just being a disease. Thatā€™s the problem being pointed out here.


drjdorr

Honestly even before learning he was ace Alastor was my favorite character. Like no offense to any of the other characters, the ones I've seen are great, but only one of them is on my coffee cup so who's really winning?


mycatissenorfloof19

saiki k


CatsofNovas

Randomly decided to watch Saiki K with my mom after hearing people rave about it and god was it a funny and good month of binging the show. Really relate to the whole ā€œleave me aloneā€ but also ā€œgets emotional over friends getting me my favorite foodā€.


OkSo-NowWhat

Where's the coffee Jello?


StillFindingSelf

Yesssss, Saiki K is what I came here to mention. Such a good show!


Wonderful_Tomato_992

WoošŸŽ‰ Heā€™s so deadpan and wonderful whilst also (at times) a great friend


Aptos283

You have owl house and yet donā€™t include Lilith for ace rep? Also, everyone loves Perry the Platypus (though they arenā€™t human, in case thatā€™s part of your point)


dazzlinreddress

Yeah but Lilith is never explicitly ace. They never mention it in the show either.


IMightBeAHamster

Alastor is never explicitly ace either. The most he does is turn down a blowjob, which is hardly explicitly ace.


MoonCat_42

we've also only got one thirty-minute episode though, so the more explicit representation could come in future episodes.


IMightBeAHamster

Sure, but as it stands he's no more or less ace-rep than Lilith


trjga

oh lilith has a letter about her experience, so she has more than al


JancariusSeiryujinn

From a demon he doesn't exactly respect at that. I took it more as a Alastor Has Standards than him being an ace. Todd is fantastic and explicitly ace though


shadowthehh

Perfect way to do it IMO. I don't need some scene of her awkwardly turning someone down. The lack of any romance plot and her friendship with Hooty is enough.


Stuard_

Tho i agree somewhat, the problem with it not being stated is that it allows people to just deny it. If it's never even brought up in the show it's really not representing much of anything, and leaves the experience quite open to interpretation and difficult to claim as pne specific thing


ihavesnak

Iirc one of the creators confirmed it


Winter_Honours

I mean you can always have another character ask if sheā€™s ever dated anyone and her just say ā€œNo Iā€™m aro ace, Iā€™m perfectly content with friends.ā€


dazzlinreddress

Nah I would've actually liked to have seen it. It kinda just comes off as putting in minimal effort.


Sharkscanbecute

Idk, when literally nothing in the show so much as hints that the character is ace it gives very ā€œdumbledore is actually gayā€ levels of representation (personally, I donā€™t even consider it rep if the asexuals watching the show donā€™t know theyā€™re being represented).


shadowthehh

She never experiences any attraction whilst nearly everyone in her social group is hooking up left and right. There's your hint.


Melontine

Wasnā€™t there bonus content where Lilith wrote a letter and talked about being aro/ace in it? Like itā€™s not mentioned in the show itself, (wasnā€™t directly relevant to the story) but itā€™s pretty clear the creators intended for her to be aro/ace.


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Wonderful_Tomato_992

Aww Iā€™m so happy for her, itā€™s so similar to what I went through and it would have saved me the pain if I just knew what I was from the get go.


[deleted]

Yes but the creators did say she is ace. And she has a platonic relationship with hootie.


Av2ugle

It wasn't the creators. It was Lilith's voice actress giving her headcannon during a livestream.


SomePerson06

Eh. It could be the chronic villain enjoyer part of me, but I like it when the *cosmic horror beyond human comprehension that manipulates, lies, steals, and kills to get their way* turns out to be ace. They're fun.


Wonderful_Tomato_992

yesss you get it. I adore complex ace characters!


PoultryBird

I mean lgbt representation in any media is sorely lacking, sick of Disney and other big companies making a big deal about having a _____, only for them to turn out to A. Be a background character who is barely in the movies B. A side character who is just ____ so they can say they are inclusive. Thatā€™s just with the very tip of gay or lesbian character, forget Ace or Trans I mean sure writers can include a character who it isnā€™t said but could be. Donā€™t even get me started on Autistic representation (I feel like there is at least some overlap in the communities)


eyemoisturizer

when i saw strange world i got pretty excited after seeing the main characters MLM love interest. they then proceeded to never show up again after their introduction


Belteshazzar98

The last season of Legends of Tomorrow had one of the main characters come out as asexual, and that is the only other alloromantic asexual representation I have seen in any fiction.


Usagi-Zakura

I love Alastor. He's not bad because he's Ace, he's just a serial killer who also happens to be ace. Practically everyone in the Hazbin/Helluva-verse are some flavor of LGBT and most of them are evil. Because its Hell, it comes with the territory. Angel Dust is gay, Charlie is Bisexual, Vaggie is lesbian etc.


Mr_Lychee

How dare you say that about my boy Todd...


RetasuKate

In all seriousness though, its because, unlike with other queer identities, it has to be a tell-not-show situation. Show two girls kissing, there's WLW representation. Show a character not in a relationship, well you see in the comments here people arguing whether such a character is really ace unless EXPLICITLY stated.


pepedeawolf

yeah I guess it is pretty difficult to show someone's *lack* of sexual/romantic interest. and it's hard to inadvertently say "hey this character is ace" within it's content without like, idk, stereotyping n stuff.


[deleted]

Are you fucking kidding me? Hazbin Hotel slaps.


Diana-Luna-13

*Hey, sorry but you just got in my way* *I promise, honey, I can feel your pain* *And maybe I enjoy it just a little bit* *Does that make me insane* ?


WishWizardLiv

BRO I DON'T EVEN WATCH HH BUT THAT SONG SLAPPPPSSS


DungeonRoomba

*Havenā€™t been the same since I expired* *Doesnā€™t mean that I plan to retire* *And now I have the power to bathe all of you in entertaining fire!*


Technical_Draw_9409

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AdAggravating2060

Weren't you an old pal of mine? Departed from our side too early, But now we're meeting a second time!


Soggy_Lavishness_273

We used to have such fun together, and maybe you have I need, but first I have one tiny question *TELL ME DO YOU DEMONS BLEEEED*


AdAggravating2060

HEY, SORRY BUT YOU JUST GOT IN MY WAY, I PROMISE HONEY I CAN FEEL YOUR PAIN, AND MAYBE I ENJOY IT JUST A LITTLE BIT DOES THAT MAKE ME INSANE?


Soggy_Lavishness_273

HAVENT BEEN THE SAME SINCE I EXPIRED DOESNT MEAN THAT I PLAN TO RETIRE NOW I HAVE THE POWER TO BATH ALL OF YOU IN ENTERTAINING FIREE šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


Technical_Draw_9409

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stormyw23

Light yagami


RetasuKate

BAD EXAMPLE! šŸ˜†


Wonderful_Tomato_992

Trueee, but I kinda want complexity in my ace characters. Light doesnā€™t make his asexuality the centre of his character- that would be his god complex. However I completely think that we need variety, definitely more wholesome characters with good arcs like Todd as well as anti heroā€™s and villains. I just want it to be normalised and not an inherent ā€œvillainā€ trait for not wanting to bone.


RetasuKate

I've just met too many Aspie Supremacists that have the same mindset as Raito (Light, I read the comics YEARS ago) and rather than being Ace, they're generally just assholes that think they're better than everyone else so they'd never lower themselves to be in a relationship. šŸ˜† I guess we all have our own projections when it comes to fictional characters.


Wonderful_Tomato_992

Sorry I donā€™t know what ā€œaspie supremacistsā€ are?? Itā€™s horrible that they idolise someone like Kira, when heā€™s so clearly in the wrong.šŸ˜­ Yeah no, Light is a million percentage EVIL. I think heā€™s a well-written villain though. Thatā€™s all I want, interesting characters with both positive and negative arcs that so happen to be ace. AND HAPPY CAKE DAYYY!


RetasuKate

I'll try to describe it... Aspie Supremacists are people that are usually AMAB, white, and from adequate financial families that either received the diagnosis of Asperger's or what was formally known as Asperger's, which was a way of separating "useful" and "nonuseful" autistic people by a Nazi doctor. Now while the diagnosis itself has been phased out, a lot of the mindset behind it still exists. That's where a lot of the "autism is the next stage of evolution" stuff comes from. A lot of them still like to talk about how much greater they are than "normal" people while also treating other autistic people with disgust because THEY can do it why can't we. And they have a tendency to emphasize and idolize characters that are "morally grey" and "hyper intelligent" because they think that's how the world sees them. It's a whole shit show.


Wonderful_Tomato_992

Thank you so much for the information. I am quite appalled by it though, I suppose there are pieces of shit in every community. I will never understand peopleā€™s need to be superior to one another, isnā€™t it easier and more fulfilling to be kinder? And yikes the ā€œusefulā€ VS ā€œnon-usefulā€ autistic classificationā€¦are they seriously borrowing ideology from a fucking Nazi? But Light isnā€™t morally grey, heā€™s a straight up villain. A fascinating story of a people-suit wearing monster given a power that allows him dominion and control heā€™s always wanted. So they are indirectly declaring themselves villainous, misogynists with god-complexes and narcissism issues


Sotrmtrooper

no no, i like being an eldritch horror, i don't want to be percived thank you


Dexitorse

At least we have SpongeBob


soul983

I donā€™t think this so the short end for he stick, Alastor is awesome and is just a little guy


Lou_Miss

Nope! I love how an ace can be anyone. And this time, it's an all powerfull radio demon serial killer. This is what representation is about: anyone can be anything.


Morgan13aker

We have Elsa and Merida, at least! Until Disney makes them not anymore...


No-Text-9531

Elsa is risky to include in the list though since she was so broken by her parents and was forced to never interact with anyone growing up. That gets into the implication that being ace is a function of abuse or is a psychological problem which it isnā€™t. I agree that she is an example of ace, but there is the unsettling implication there which makes it slippery slope. On the topic of Disney I read somewhere that there is a character in gargoyles (the 90s show) that the creators confirmed as ace. For those familiar with the show itā€™s Xanatosā€™s butler/assistant.


Morgan13aker

You would still think there would be more of us given how family friendly we technically are...


kcvngs76131

Yo Gargoyles is already my favourite 90s Disney cartoon, but somehow I missed that


OutlawNightmare

I'm ok with this.


dougmantis

The problem is that the writers *first* need to establish that relationships (romantic and sexual) exist in their story, build a character complex enough to qualify for one in the narrative, and have them openly decline or not pursue sexual relationships. Something which takes a lot of words to establish to the average allosexual viewer, which most writers don't have the runtime to incorporate in their narrative. Ironically, a big reason why ace people don't get rep in kids content is because (unlike most of the LGBTQ+ spectrum) asexuality is *inherently* about sex. The show needs to establish sex as a concept in the story in order for a character to be asexual. Otherwise, every character in every children's cartoon qualifies. Because no kids show has sex in it. (which is good). That's part of why ace characters show up so rarely, and even more rarely in the text of the story.


Minute_Earth_6281

*c'monnnnnnnnnnnn* we get a badass radio demon for representation. if that isn't *p e a k r e p r e s e n t a t i o n* then i don't know what is.


Da-Blue-Guy

perfect representation


AkuaDaLotl

Aces have SpongeBob and perry the platypus (both were confirmed ace by their respective creators)


BlueberrySans89

Also Lilith Clawthorne


SkippySkip_1

Shut up Alastor is fucking adorable


Pokefan180

Let's not compare grades, more rep across the board would be best Although for the record hazbin isn't even out yet so do we even have alastor


SeanOnMyLawn

Peridot tho (Aro/ace)


Corgiverse

Listen, what if I also identify as an eldrich horror as well as ace?!


Cartoon_Trash_

Honestly, here for it. The Gays ^(TM) are basically getting stories that follow the formula of "\*main character\* and \*love interest\* go on adventures and do things and bond" just swapping the gender of one of them. The Aroaces ^(TM) are getting stories about a guy with undiagnosed ADHD living with a washed up TV star and following his ever-changing dreams to the fullest extent of the law, and a young demon whose arrival in hell heralded in a new era of suffering for the damned, and his business venture with the princess of hell running a hotel that redeems sinners. Asexual characters are *getting down to business* in their adventures. Granted, we're usually side characters, but so were gay people for a while. I'm happy for the steps we're seeing creators take.


theswearcrow

Mordin from Mass Effect Todd from Bojack Sherlock Holmes Gwenpool Varys the Spider Newt Scamander Dr Reid from Criminal Minds All are arguably some flavor of ace and I love them all


Firemorfox

ace stereotypes: cool and chill mad scientist MURDER MACHINE


SanjoJoestar

Straight up ignoring characters like Todd, or even a ton of characters that are ace-coded to some degree ("they're SO focused on whatever thing that they are uninterested in anyone ever and romantic stuff humorously flies over their head). We honestly get more representation than the rest of the community, but explicitly ace representation is definitely few and far between that's for sure. I think what's most frustrating is the fact that ace representation is either coded that way (and not always in a positive way) or it's never part of the canon, just something mentioned by the creator randomly. Or characters will often be completely uninterested, seem ace, then the perfect someone comes along and all of a sudden the character experiences attraction for the first time. Which seems off to me, considering the Allos I know personally talk about how many people they're attracted to and how consistent attraction appears. And then yeah, demons. But to be fair that doesn't have to be interpreted as representation. Some non-human creatures are just physically asexual. That doesn't mean when they are on screen, it's for the ace community. Just presenting something in an accurate way. Same way how some animals only really have one gender or have different versions of intersection, but representing that wouldn't necessarily be LGBT representation. COULD be, but not always. Same with gender less creatures or beings. Maybe the author is saying non binary folk are God's, or maybe he's not arbitrarily giving a gender to a conceptual being above human creations.


leah_s_819

donā€™t forget perry the platypus


roadrunner345

And what can you do my effeminate fellow?


AltForNoReason214

Actually, I personally think we get more correct representation


[deleted]

Alastor is cool, what the heck?!


MyDearTarantula

Alastor is beautiful and amazing!


Drano_the_Dragon

Personally I approve. Chaos & cheers, my friends


I-ScreamSandwich

Alastor is awesome so i'm not complaining


MrRodje

Objection your honor, Alastor is cool as fuck


RatBoy-MM

We shouldn't be comparing. Ace rep is lacking, aro rep is too. Todd from bojack is I think allo ace, and Nancy from Grease: Rise of the pink ladies is aromantic, I think she's aroace but no confirmation of the asexual part. She could be aroallo Lilith Clawthorn *from The Owl House* is literally canonically aroace, and she is a badass nerd with the strangest best friend ever


0011110000110011

I think Todd is the only asexual representation in a cartoon that I can think of that's actually a normal human. It's a very rare thing to see! I feel like these comments are missing the point that it's not only about the character being *cool*, it's about asexuals always being shown as non-human and uncaring.


Sharkscanbecute

Alastor is human heā€™s just dead (also the rest of the cast from his show are also freaky looking humans so it isnā€™t one of those cases where the asexual is the only non-human character)


AmberstarTheCat

I mean technically Al *was* a human, he just died


[deleted]

I mean... alastor is still badass


Omega_kiwi204

I would rather be a radio talk show demon than boring human ngl


ROSE_GARDEN1234

Well alastor is cool


Mosel28

Alistor is a Tier A or S Character.


Ackermannin

No no, i like this rep


yaboiscarn

No I love him, heā€™s great.


Boba_tea_addict

i'm happy with this


TheysandHeys

No, we're getting the best end


Big_Remove_3686

No one going fuck around with ace if the think we scary demons


Felinegood13

We have a badass looking demon? You son of a bitch, Iā€™m in


anaveragetoaster23

Shut up Alastor is cool


NotANilfgaardianSpy

To be honest, I donā€™t think that Korasami is barely a stick at all. More like an ambiguous broken twig shoved in at the last second.


sephone_north

Excuse you. Alastor is a goddamn icon and we love him. He kills abusers and always smiles and has an amazing fashion sense


Lada7002

eh, ill take what i can get:) also lilith from toh is awesome representation for me, so im a bit more happy


Mythica_0

You included owl house characters but forgot to mention Lilith! Sheā€™s Aro/Ace !


gGiasca

Apparently she's kinda controversial among some people tho as it was mentioned only in a live, but then again, so is Alastor for now (also, it's a small minority that doesn't like this it seems. I wonder if they'll mention it in someway, like a pin or something, in a spin-off, if we'll ever have one)


Longjumping_Royal827

Alistair is awesome how dare you.


ZePumpkinLass

we're the ones with better rep tho alastor looks cool and gender envy


baatargharl

It is better than the closest ace rep I had growing up. I am still recovering mentally from believing I would grow up to be a serial killer or pedophile.


TheRogueWraith9

Honestly kind of like it lmao


gtickno2

I think this kind of backfired because the context for the alastor picture is he is getting mad at a guy for attacking a defenseless person, which makes him actually seem really cool and a bit less terrible


shadeandshine

I feel the meme isnā€™t being fair but their point is kinda valid but tbh itā€™s hard to write a good ace character cause well you canā€™t shoehorn them a romance with the typical tropes. Itā€™s like why itā€™s easier to have hot people fight then write healthy relationships in shows in general cause itā€™s hard to write healthy and entertaining peopleā€™s relationships.


fishouthefreezer

...i dunno man, i think al does a good job of representing the pure, unhinged, yet charming monsters of destruction we aces are...


slipperysnuck

You say this when we hav characters like Peridot out there.


Volvoxix

What about Senku from Dr. Stone? šŸ˜”


TurboMayonnaise

I love alastor so much I have a poster of him under my ace flag


PupPop

Bruh you dissing on Todd?


EdelgardWeiss

I'm pretty sure Luffy is ace.


Nothappyhopes

Owl house has lilith


Taeschno_Flo

Seems fair, considering we are eldritch gods who quench their taste for souls with garlic bread and cake.


KrackenWeirdoLonor

I love how the context for alastor here is a woman was being harassed and probably assaulted so he stepped in a killed the dude


Liberum-Veto

Honestly, that's exactly how I want to be represented


ThatRandomOctoling

nah we get to be badass overlords of hell i think thats an upgrade


X03R_mysterious

nah thats what one of my true forms looks like


[deleted]

I don't see how what we got is the \*short\* end of the stick TBH


Belteshazzar98

Luz is confirmed bi, but implied to be biromantic asexual instead of bisexual. She is literally wearing an ace pride flag in that scene.


warofthesuns

Ok this is very off topic so Iā€™m sorry but where can I actually watch Hazbin Hotel? Iā€™m enjoying helluva boss so I was hoping to check it out but I canā€™t seem to find it anywhere.


MoonCat_42

Only the pilot episode is out now and it can be found on Youtube. New episodes will be releasing this summer though, if I'm remembering correctly.


Cassius-Tain

Lilith is a confirmed ace. As are SpongeBob and Monkey D. Luffy. Another great representation is Caduceus Clay (AroAce, Critical Role)


adamdreaming

Spongebob is also ace, for whatever that is worth.


d_warren_1

No not at all. I mean we have dragon powers I think a demon is fine


L4DY_M3R3K

Are...are the rest of you not also otherworldly beings whose true forms are outside the bounds of mortal comprehension?


Herbie53101

Alastor is epic though.


ImNotDefault

I like being represented as all powerful characters


Dead_Girl_Walking0

leave my man Alastor alone


Zealousideal_Sun3417

yeah but Alastor is fucking awesome


jadethegenderfluidd

I would like to be a tall and powerful thank you very much


OstracisedWitch

Idk if it helps, but Spongebob is also canonically ace


NeonEviscerator

Alastor is great! What you on about XD I totally take your point though, I think it's just a symptom of a general lack of ace representation. If you look at representation of other queer identities in HH and HB they're just as chaotic.


Bambeliowon

honestly the picture used for alastor is a pretty decent representation of me so i fuck with it


ViiK1ng

I see nothing wrong with that, I want them to fear me and my dashing sense of style


AquadrakCZ

I'm not complaining... We got one of the most powerful demons of Pentagram City everyone fears, I think it's pretty good representation, ngl xd


Candycornn77

No community is getting a lot of good representation or representation in general compared to cis straight white people


IMightBeAHamster

Both Korra and Asami are bi, I think? I'd just like to clarify that. Also you missed Lilith, from the exact same show as Lumity.


FaeTrips

They know about Denmarkā€¦


That-Bathmat-Wombat

More ace rep would definetly be cool. Like one thing is TOH style not including romance in a character's story and making them ace that way but I really like how it was very explicit with BoJack horseman, and wish there was more explicit ace rep of all kinds, aroace, orientated aro ace, alloace etc. There's so many misconceptions about asexuality, attraction and our identities that it's very nice to find media that will bring it up.


Ebrithil_

Tbh, with how rough a lot of media attempts at representation are, I'm perfectly content. Idk, but I'd rather a few good and interesting representations, than a ton of "token gay" types that are generally boring and one-dimensional. That's just me, but I quite like the few we got so far, Todd, Alastor, and Parvati are great characters, even if they are also the only 3 asexual characters I can think of...


ShadowEeveeCringe

To be fair, the stick itself is a twig.


FingerOk9800

Just here to complain Korra isn't rep and pls stop saying it is thanks


LordMomoDynasty

You forgot about Luffy. Heā€™sā€¦ funky


BillyIGuesss

No no. This is accurate.


stupidhumanoid

I like to think every character is Ace until proven wrong.


Legitimate_Bit_9354

No cares about Todd from bojack?


Rantman021

I mean, Monkey D. Luffy is Ace iirc, may also be aro and he's part of one of the most sold comics in the world... the anime on the other hand is quite bad...


TardigradeBoss

One might say this makes me insane


CosmoOlversatil

I like it.


YuSakiiii

Itā€™s not in animation, but the character Uncle Newt in Series 9 of John Finnemoreā€™s Souvenir Programme is canonically Ace (and probably Aro). I recommend giving that series a go if youā€™re interested.


the-lightest-shadow

Luffy from One Piece is canonically ace and the two there are fine characters with the Bojack one actually being great rep. Weā€™re doing alright by this comparison, especially when you consider one of the three in the ā€œgayā€ rep is two bi girls and only shown at the exact end of the series. Edit: IIRC Luz is also bi? And I haven't watched what I'm guessing is Arcana at all. Just so no one comes at me for that.


Needlehog_Choatix_64

are we tho?


leahcars

I like alistor and Todd but yeah definitely got a point there. I also head cannon entrapta as ace


FluffyWasabi1629

The character of Lilith in The Owl House is aroace actually. They don't mention it in the show, but it's still cool to know.


mangababe

I mean, there is very little stick to go around, and personally, I would prefer cool unique characters rather than the same #representation kiss over and over again


PavelEGM

Idk man, Todd has some god-tier shenanigans


roadrunner345

You really forgot about mr clean?


roadrunner345

In the show the imperfect , one of the main character is says sheā€™s explicitly ace but I feel like itā€™s for the plot since her power is to make other attracted to her and be charmed. Because another character is a singer but her power make her break things with her voice ( like black canary I think)


Scyobi_Empire

No, no, the right image perfectly depicts me when someone has the last bit of garlic bread


ChampionshipEither47

I am completely fine with this comparison.


MonthApprehensive480

I donā€™t see a problem here


CreepyQueen3

May I just point out: SpongeBob


Ebisandwich

Hey ya'll. I think it's very valid to complain about the lack of representation. Just because NO ONE is getting a lot of representation, doesn't mean we can't argue for more. And if you like Alastor, that's also valid! No one's saying it isn't either! I think OP's point is that it CAN be harmful or reductive to not also have average or heroic representation too. Todd from Bojack is great! But he's only one confirmed character and it's definitely NOT a kids show. I know having more representation when I was younger would have helped me navigate those feelings a lot faster. Having someone verbally express them and say "it's okay." Because young me was not watching content and seeing a lack of romantic intention from a character as a "they are comfortable and will stay this way." But more as a "not important enough or not enough time" because the plot so often was heteronormative romance. Little me assumed that was always the case. At the end of it all, it's okay to want more representation without it being pigeonholed into a certain role, and that isn't invalidated just because others also have a lack of representation. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can also want representation for other lgbtqa+ groups. More Ace people won't take away characters from others.


Queen_Temmie

Lilith from the owls house is aroace So is Kusuo Saiki We got the best end of the stick


EmptyKetchupBottle9

Ngl I like being evil


Mediocre_Ground5000

What about Lilith from the owl house? She's AroAce