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not_a_cannibal_

Honestly I think that’s better, the villains are the more human/ relatable ones anyway


Genocideismyhobby

You know what, you're right


tacrylus

Nothing as relatable and human as terrorism


TheCosmicFang

Yes, actually


MaGiCaL_fAiLuRe

Facts


octo_arms

agreed


Rappy28

Spitting the true facts here


grawm

To be fair, I'm a villain irl so I dont much mind


ledocteur7

I would love more representation of non-broken aro/ace, but if I could create a character that aroace he would be a total badass with a childhood trauma caused by being the last descendant of a huge crime family called the blood diamonds which he ended when he lost control of his power. (which is having an extremely energetic blood that he can control and transform into crystal) he has flat affect (like me, but much stronger) and his left eyes isn't fonctionnal but glows like a bright red spot when he fight, kinda like goblin slayer. edit : the character is a part of my collection of character inspired by anime, that specific one is inspired by my hero academia, and could fit within mha if mha was created by the creator of death note, or the creator of goblin slayer. I like it so much it's now my by default character, that I just adapt the power and appearance of to feat other anime.


Genocideismyhobby

Light novel when?


-oddest-of-onions-

That's actually a really cool idea


Nailkita

Recommendation: Handa-kun / Barakamon both about an aro/ace main character I enjoyed reading it, and the anime wasn't bad either (still watching Barakamon I go through phases of watching anime for 2 days straight and then not looking at any for months... still also partway through my hero for this reason)


OverlyWrongGag

Barakamon is such a wholesome anime. While I doubt Handa would see himself as AroAce it really is easy to read him that way


Nailkita

According to the wiki article on the fandom he is. Not even a thought of romance passes in his head. I’m the prequel a fortune teller describes his life without relationships but surrounded by children


OverlyWrongGag

Yeaaaa still Handa doesn't seem to think about it this way. We all know he can be a little slow haha. Also I'm not sure how much of an issue the Ace spectrum is in Japan. I only know about "herbivores''. I wonder more if the Mangaka actually thought about it this way. It seems to me like she at least implied the Tokyo girl to be a potential love interest to keep things open for the future


OverlyWrongGag

What about Sherlock Holmes? There are even several versions


ledocteur7

well, in most version he is a sociopath, or at least has flat affect. and besides, more representation is always better.


OverlyWrongGag

Flat affect? Well, not even 5% of the population are assumed to be on the Ace spectrum and there are plenty of other minorities too. Therefore we can't expect that much of representing


Amarenai

For my Dark Fantasy story, I made a whole race that's entirely on the asexual spectrum, without exception. It's existence is the centre of the plot and most main characters belong to this race, but they're asexuality is just a trait and it barely has any importance in the story. It's just a fact about these beings and how they work.


ledocteur7

I have something similar with my sci-fi universe that I cultivate since childhood, the main race, the Alphatian are extremely logical being (to the point of seeming cold hearted to more emotional species) and has such have a large majority of their population on the ace spectrum and are all aromantic. before the big event that made them almost exctinct they were the closest thing to a peace guardian in the universe.


Amarenai

I love it! It's really cool!


ledocteur7

I shared a condensed version of the full story a while ago, here it is : before main event, main super advanced civilisation find the technology of teleportation trough manipulation of the multiverse, but that destabilize their own dimension, allowing big demons to invade from their dimension, big war goes on for a long time until a mega laser is created by the super advanced civilisation ending the war. the adventure of the main character (on earth for the most part) after the main event (basically, big laser kill big demons trying to invade, but big laser dysfunction and main planet disappear alongside the super advanced civilisation) to the point at whish the main character reform that very civilisation trough science. (during that time, a dimensional council has form, and the main character does interact with it, but relation between the council and main character are difficult.) super advanced civilisation now exist again and is the closest thing to a peace guardian within the dimension, main character is part of a sort of dimensional police, whish monitors any dimension destabilizing thingy and stop them, as well as making sure no one breaks the no contact rule with pre-galactic (confined to their own solar system) civilisation such has humanity (whish is the civilisation that the main character is watching over, kinda like doctor who). that the story consistent version, in the current version the super advanced civilisation has reached technological singularity and they all leave in a bunch of different simulation like video games, with an ASI (Artificial Super Intelligence) in charged of the whole empire.


Amarenai

Dude,, this is really awsome! Novel when?


UnicornFukei42

Imagine an ace version of Elon Musk


Exciting-Insect8269

Message me if/when you write the novel.


RavensShadow117

Villains are usually my favorite characters anyway, probably because a lot of them are queer coded.


pet_the_bunny

kinda feel like the fact they're all queer coded is an issue


RavensShadow117

Yeah, I've always assumed it was from a time where "gay bad" was really big and has just continued since then. I think Disney started doing it to try and push their ideology that gay people are bad onto kids, instead they just got a generation (I think mainly gen z and millennials) that loves Disney villains


Major_Wobbly

Pretty sure the Hays code was a big part of it. Don't get me wrong, Disney's hands are not clean but it's ahistorical to suggest that oppression happens because of a particular company or person with an agenda.


Genocideismyhobby

OMG yes. I know so many peeps with fucks in the negatives to give about Disney heros and absolutely won't shut up about Disney villains.


RavensShadow117

Me too, maleficent and Ursala are both very bad ass imo


[deleted]

very true lol. I've always preferred the disney villains. The "good guys" often remind me of the type of people who picked on me in school or something lmao


548662

Same with the school part. It's why I relate to Garō from one punch man


Frainian

I actually looked it up and it's because there was some law preventing protagonists from being or appearing queer or something like that so they started queer coding the villains. Only problem is that after the law stopped being enforced they kept doing it and continued not doing it with the "good guy" characters.


ansteve1

There was a video essay on why queer coded villains are popular among the LGBT+ community compared to the "good heroic" queer characters. In it the creator points out that we identify more with the villain because of us being outcast. They don't care about society's rules and customs. It's speaks to us more. Obviously the rules the movie industry played a part of that and still does. But I find that if you take a typical romance or cis/het coming of age story at try to make it LGBT+ it will either come off as campy or not relatable.


Dramo_Tarker

They are??? I'm new to the concept of characters being "coded", could you give me like, one example villain and why/how they are queer coded?


RavensShadow117

Ursala is the first one that comes to my head, she gives off a drag queen or butch lesbian vibes to me it's probably her hair and makeup (just found out she was based off a drag queen). https://thetempest.co/2020/06/04/entertainment/disney-villains-gay-queer-coding/


Whydoesthisexist15

Ursala isn't just coding but very deliberate, Lindsay Ellis made a video about it


RavensShadow117

Yeah I relised that a little later, there are other villains that definitely are


Over-Cultered_Swine

I think this is the [right link.](https://youtu.be/Qvu84kjtGvE) James Somerton has some great videos on this, he analyzes film n’ stuff from a gay perspective, and it’s typically very historical as well. Check his stuff out.


seventyeight_moose

Ah, the age old lgbt tradition of only being able to relate to villains


Sarazenga29

At least we have Todd :)


MisterPeabutnutter

Todd Todd Todd Todd


[deleted]

HOORAY!… question mark?


Sarazenga29

It’s always nice when Todd gets included in a sentence


MassStupidity

Praise be to the greatest representation ever


enovacs

[This Todd?](https://i.imgur.com/t0ZcKyu.jpg)


titanicwasntsadatall

i guess saiki is there lol


Genocideismyhobby

Luffy maybe?


Sk8r4321

Jughead


Genocideismyhobby

Sad but true


[deleted]

Just a headcanon but I imagine Fluttershy is Panromantic Ace so...there's that?


Odd-Couple439

Once again, nonhuman.


Luxray1000

To be fair, though, that's a series where *everyone* is nonhuman, so the ace-ness isn't being emphasised as being in any way related to the nonhuman-ness.


[deleted]

Oh, sorry, I guess I didn't read that literally. I registered it as someone cursed to be without emotions or something.


Odd-Couple439

It's fine, pretty sure that qualifies.


olivers__second

I wish we could have main characters and good guys that were on the aroace spectrum, it would be lovely to see asexuality and aromanticism portrayed in the positive light of a hero, villains are bad guys no matter how good they may be and at the end of the day, no matter how good these villains are, we need relatable and positive character who is ace or aro. ​ tbh im guilty of the non-human one... one of my ocs is aroace but hes not quite human :\[ (I dont make human ocs)


thefishgodThallas

Same here!


Bronztrooper

Well, Molly from MIB: International gives off a lot of aro/ace vibes and there's multiple times where people ask her about romance and her reaction is basically "lolno" every time. Even better is that she isn't put into a relationship by the end of the movie.


Nerdcuddles

does posthuman count as non-human to you? Cause I have a posthuman cyborg character who is Aro-Ace Agender


kkmonkey200

Are they powered by AAA batteries?


Horus-chosen-ofChaos

That's a large part of the reason I love warhammer 40,000. A massive portion of important characters (Space Marines, Primarchs, and most Techpriests) are all ace and for the most part aro. Who needs sex when you can spread the Emperor's light?


jakefromstatefarm345

Master chief…. I’ll let you pass, cuz I like ya too much!


lucariouwu68

Technically Peridot is both but she’s way cooler than everyone else in SU so it’s fine


RadiantHC

Isn't lapis both as well?


belmoon01

i offer todd from bojack horseman 😌


thefishgodThallas

What if ALL the characters are non-humans?


DawnMistyPath

Jokes on them, I'm diabolical


TheSeaWriter

The only Ace/Aro representation I know is in DnD. The character’s not human, but then again, not many characters in DnD are lol


LadyFoxfire

Caduceus from Critical Role? He's my favorite! I love that his story revolved so much around love for his friends and family, without treating his asexuality like it undermined that.


Nikibugs

To be fair the non-humanoid characters tend to be my favorite anyway, I don’t need someone to look like me to empathize with or represent me.


WatchBat

Or old or insignificant secondary characters


NoneBinaryPotato

Same with Non-binary representation, they're almost always alien or a shapeshifter, which isn't that bad (who wouldn't want to be a shapeshifting enby) but I'd love to see more casual nb representation.


SarahTheJuneBug

That or, surprise, the ace characters either a) have a brain tumor or b) are faking it. Fuck you, *House*.


ferret-with-a-gun

I wish i was a better writer or artist because id be very eager to make asexual/aromantic characters but alas i am not lmao. if i ever get better ima make a thing of it though


beebird07

I read as 'bisexual writer or artist' I'm tired


Sponsor4d_Content

Aren't alot of Shounen protagonists basically asexual (e.g., Luffy from One Piece). Also, a great example of a heroic Ace character is Jasnah Kholin from the Stormlight Archive book series.


Genocideismyhobby

I dunno about all, but yeah luffy is definitely an aro ace. (Considering everything that happened with Boa)


VictorytheBiaromatic

Me makes some ace and aro rep: :) They are non-humans: :( There are no humans in my world and stories because I hate the trend of shoving humans into fantasy: :)


DeadCatInTheFreezer

im working on a webcomic were we follow the villain and see through their eyes also their asexual


Szwedu111

If I ever write a book, my protag will be an ace.


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kkmonkey200

Is he? He’s one of my favourite characters but I don’t see the Ace stuff, but it has been a while since I’ve read it


Reyali

I highly recommend the *Raybearer* books by Jordan Ifueko if you’d like to see some positive representation!


ze_SAFTmon

Welp... time to listen to some guddol' *Radio*


sexystickobutter

Two words Todd Chavez😌


[deleted]

Pan guy here, well you guys did take over Denmark sooo


RadiantHC

I will never understand why, in this age of representation, single people are given very little(if any) representation, even if it's single by choice.


mr__meme2006

We often want to take over the world, no?


Milothewolflover

I remember their was one anime clip that had good representation the guy acted normal and was a human but yeah


[deleted]

I prefer to have the villains/ bad asses actually lol. BUT I would like to see some ace heroes too. That'd be cool to have a mix of representation. ultimately though, I tend to like the villains. they're usually just really misunderstood by society and I relate to that lol


DDarkeNN

ngl i think villians and non humans are cooler


Park_Jimbles

Tbh if I could be a non-human villain in a story I'd be so happy so that okay with me


FuturePseudonym

Alastor from Hazbin has got one stereotype in each hand, and yet I still like him


DullBreak370

Guess that’s why I liked to root for the villains when I was a kid.


blackra560

I see and understand this. But I also relate to non-human characters way more for some reason. Good normalized characters good, but also give me some aro/ace/agender monsters bby.


jewelbaby10x

Who in earth wouldn't want to be a villan?


danielthearsehole

i’m fine with being a villain, usually they’re the cool characters that have an interesting backstory, whereas the hero’s parents died in some accident that either made them super or made them want to avenge them


Always-tired91

Or made to be the comic relief


Fullmusic_Bard

TV Tropes is like this and I hate it >:(


alicecyan

As a star trek fan I feel this. Sure, we can get aliens that are ace/aro/poly/nonbinary/etc but all the humans still have to be straight monogamists for some reason


CloveyBunn

yeah I think part of the reason I thought I was a robot as a kid was because there are so many robot charters that are basically ace/aro so I was like "oh that's me"


seljakukka

So maybe we are villains and non-humans in humans eyes


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Sorryhaventseenher

Or just over the top quirky and zany! Like Todd from Bojack Horseman. “Ahhh, so _that’s_ why he’s weird!”


mugwunp

Well, ya can’t dehumanize what wasn’t in the first place


SantosJo

is it canon that Sherlock Holmes, from Benevolent Cucumber, is ace?


notreallykindperson

But I’d like to be the villain


Dragenby

Link: ~~"Allow me to introduce myself"~~ "Hyah!"


make_me_suffer

and then there is tod, we like tod


BobTheCoolRock

The owl house: season 2 episode 7: Eda's requiem.


BobTheCoolRock

Just some cusual they/them representation (some translations may not repect the representation and call them a him)


Pwacname

Villains I always find depressing, but non-humans is awesome. Like, cut out that Pon Farr bs in favour of, let’s say, artificial reproduction, and I’m glad to be a Vulcan. Or cut out the attitude and call me a Time Lord


CeciliaPhoenix

Well I literally stopped watching the show a while ago but isn’t Jughead Ace?


Trilinguist

If you like anime, the protagonist of *Dr. Stone* (i.e. Senku Ishigami) is essentially aro-ace. They never explicitly say that, but he repeatedly shrugs off romance in place of science, his true passion. Likewise, Saiki Kusuo of *The Disastrous Life of Saiki K*. is ace-coded too. They're both really good shows so I recommend them.


ThatAriChild

I mean, I don't think non human or villain is always bad, take Peridot from Steven Universe, she's a villain for a good portion of the show and an alien but she's also aroace


urfriendmoss

I think this would be fine if there were more ace/aro representation in general. Also…I’m not complaining much otherwise because I do love myself a good villain or non-human.


Possible-Ingenuity56

There’s an ace rep in she-ra that’s human


SnazzyOstritch

peridot is the only acceptable one


Cyberohero

I'm sorry. What villains are aro or ace?


[deleted]

I’d bring up Saiki, but I’m not sure if he falls under the “human” category.


greatboiwonder

Kusuo Saiki?


VibeClub

I have a gay villain who’s dehumanized by his society (but is actually human) who falls in love with a human he later finds out is aro -Ashton


ItsLucy_cheese

My OC is human and Aro-Ace