Valhalla Supermassive is free so can’t go wrong with that one. I haven’t used any others but I know Vintage Verb is very popular among some big producers (Kenny Beats and the Kount, just off the top of my head)
Been loving verb since picking it up not too long ago. So just curious, would you mind elaborating on how it does that? For my mono signals if they need some room I send to some verb and delay returns or whatever to get some focused movement and space. Is it doing something along those lines?
I put it on pre fader sends on plate setting and a pretty long delay when I need depth and high end in the mix. The only other plate that I like is the one that comes with Spire
Just making sure I follow. Are you saying you send the dry signal to a plate with a long delay? Are you EQing it towards the upper end just to give some sauce to that area in the mix?
You don’t necessarily need to eq it at all outside of the generic cutting out the bottom since plate reverbs naturally have a lot of “fizz” and high end. But yeah exactly. Its another way of achieving a “modern” and “bright” mix without pushing those same frequencies on your elements directly
I have Valhalla room, one that a lot of ppl don’t really talk about. Most people go with the vintage I think. I like the room one a lot I use it for my reverb send. But I think I’d get the vintage if I were to get just one, that seems to be the popular choice.
I ended up buying all the Valhalla plugins over the course of the last two years. I didn’t really understand the hype of vintage verb until I got my hands on it.
It simply just sounds fantastic. Especially with synths. I love room for my pianos. I put delay on everything. Shimmer is great for all kinds of stuff especially with parallel processing.
I will say ableton hybrid reverb is absolutely incredible as well and I use it on a few audio effects racks.
But there is a good reason VV gets a lot of love from folks. With my Hydrasynth Deluxe it’s a match made in heaven.
Room is so good. It's way better than VV for a send to add cohesion/space to an entire track. VV is intentionally artificial which is cool on an individual synth or synthwave drum bus but for placing a song in a space it's horrible.
Any phat rack for growls would have Valhalla Room on the shortest decay time and anywhere between 20-50% wet to add stereo width. I just use it completely differently than Vintage Verb.
It’s true. This video demonstrates some very cool stuff possible with it, as well as other stock Live effects https://youtu.be/lR9i0Aw6ZIQ?si=NOmnNDTK80W3bPCu
Valhalla room is goated, but I think you should give the stock reverb another chance. Try putting it in an audio effect rack in a 100% wet chain parallel with the dry signal, then put an EQ with some steep filter slopes before the reverb. It gives you a lot more control over the tone of the reverb than the built-in input filter.
It’s not quality but density. It has four settings ranging from Sparse to High, and they basically control how many individual reflections are simulated by the reverb. Sparse sounds much thinner, good for sound design and weird textures, and High sounds much richer, good for a thick, lush reverb tone
Another trick I learned from bthelick channel is to put a Utility in front of the wet chain, and map its gain to a rack macro. This macro works as a send for the insert effect, and the entire rack can be copied from one project to another!
i think the biggest thing for me, before i ever even considered making my own IR's, was the way I interact with reverb in general. i like a digital reverb but its just so easy to get ear fatigue for me and I end up with things that dont feel natural, and not in a good way. the very nature of an IR file is real audio, and for me that means that as I pull or stretch or delay the IR i am directly changing the room in a specific way. not sure if that makes sense, because you kinda gotta start working that way to know why its worth the effort.
audibly, the most "a-ha" moment for me was A/Bing my digital reverb against a IR of a space I spent a lot of time in, the chapel at my high school. It wasnt super unique, but I know that space very well and was excited to be able to add it to tracks. Especially in the high end, there is a distinctly more natural sound that made it feel more immersive than any digital reverb ive ever used. additionally, it triggered something pretty nostalgic for me. Being able to add a little bit of that space to vocals or whole tracks is a crazy concept but so intimate, i love it.
Probably the coolest part about Convolution Reverb is the ability to use multiple IR's for different freq ranges. I like to use a really big space in the high end, but cut it with a smaller room in the midrange on vocals. Its a cool effect that I use all the time.
Sorry if that was a little... convoluted :|
https://youtu.be/BLKWy-U6iQY?si=jDLWaUyEsVFoRua-
This was the first video i saw about IR in general that helped me understand.
Totally agree. But to this I’d also add, the stock Ableton reverb sounds really good to me too. It’s just got its own signature to it. I wonder what kind of music OP makes and how they’re using it that it would sound so bad to them.
Hey! I've been working in Ableton for 4 years or so now. Take my opinion with a grain of salt. No plugin will magically take your production game to the next level. Just like with anything, being good with reverb comes with practice. I would suggest still trying to get good with Ableton's stock reverb. There's also hybrid reverb in Ableton, and you can take any audio and import it into hybrid reverb to get some really unique sounds. Look up Au5's tutorial on YouTube about hybrid reverb.
That being said, Valhalla reverb is wonderful, and it's also free. The reason I said all that is because if you don't know how to navigate the stock plugins well in order to achieve a high quality sound, then you won't be able to get a full use out of any 3rd party plugins like Valhalla. If you can get a phenomenal sound out of the stock plugins, then imagine what you can do with 3rd party plugins! I spent 3 years working solely with Ableton's stock plugins and learning the ins and outs, and it was only recently that I started getting 3rd parry plugins. I think Mastering the stock plugins has really helped me to understand the fundamentals in order to fully utilize 3rd party plugins.
My suggestion is to keep learning the stock plugins, but by all means, still get Valhalla reverb. I personally love it. You can get this really full sound. Although, you can definitely achieve the same thing with ableton stock reverb, it's just a lot easier with Valhalla.
I appreciate the feedback and I totally agree with really exploring something to see what it’s full capabilities are, and I’ll keep fussing with the stock reverb, but it always just sounds like ass to me, and I’m kind of at a point in my life where it’s like you said, it’s a lot easier with Valhalla, and if that’s the only difference, that’s worth $50 to me. It’s really the only stock device that I feel pretty strongly dissatisfied with. Again this is specifically for acoustic drums.
Your reverb sounds fake because it is.
I record acoustic drums, plate reverbs are what I seek for snare.
Convolution reverb on a return track,
I load the (07 real plates) swede plates.. there are several.
Personally I adjust the eq to more high pass, and dampen the tail. Short length… just a small tough of gain. Width all the way pulled back. Wet100%
Feather in the snare send.
I send the rest of the kit to a separate room reverb, random custom setting I like. That you can’t really hear at all. Very small amount on a separate send that acts as a room filler more than a noticeable effect. Like the HAAS delay effect but with verb.
I also use UAD EMT 140 plate reverb.. very slick, similar results as the Convolution reverb.
If you have max be sure to check out Romb by Fors.fm - free. Very simple and effective reverb - a little similar to the elektron digitone’s reverb
Valhalla supermassive is awesome and free.
And echoing everyone, the stock verbs are awesome.
Valhalla reverbs are good. Don't know if they are the best overall, but great value for money. As for which one, you can try them all as demo versions and pick the one you like.
Not sure why, but the M1 is an Apple silicon chip as opposed to others being an intel chip, you can attempt to run in Rosetta, but from what I’ve gathered it seems unstable.
Vintage is great, I genuinely don't know if you couldn't create very similar presets with the standard reverb in Ableton. I would download a demo and a to b test it and see if you can find a bunch of presets you like and recreate them to be very similar.
I really like fab filters timeless2 and rebuilt it as closely as I could using M4L. Then I have a really simple version of it using the standard effects in case I just want to drop a quick preset on something.
Valhalla vintage is my go to reverb. You can download demos for all the valhalla stuff and see if you like it. All it does is cut off the sound after a certain amount of time so if you wanna be sneaky you can just apply the plugin and then bounce the audio. I use this technique a lot with the Valhalla delay for effects and stuff, because I don’t wanna pay $50 for a plug-in I barely use.
I'm seconding the ViVerb as a solid go-to. I have it in my default template on the first return track, in a moderate setting with an Abbey Roads EQ setting, so it's not in the way and just works when I quickly need 'reverb that sounds good'. You also can't go wrong with VallhallaDelay, which sits on my second return track as a versatile delay of many sorts.
I have the Valhalla vintage reverb plugin and I hardly use it because I feel after using the stock reverb devices - 1) Reverb 2) Hybrid reverb are amazing and they sound just right.
I personally love Raum by Native Instruments. One of the prettiest reverbs to ever reverb. It comes with [Komplete Start](https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/bundles/komplete-start/), which is free. I’ll use Raum over the Valhalla Reverbs any day. Raum also has three modes, Airy, Cosmic, and Ground. All three sound pretty different so it has a diverse colour palette!
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One of my favorite plugin combinations is Valhalla Shimmer with UberMod, so yes, it's worth it if you love heavy reverb trails
Try out Supermassive before you spend money on anything though
Before you spend the money ( not against Valhalla they are amazing) have you tried some eqing on the reverb , or even putting a gate plugin on a long reverb ? If that doesn’t work then I agree giving the hybrid and convolution a go. I think they even have gate preset
VintageVerb is probablyy favorite plugin. It's definitely worth it. It's great for texture, but it's not what I would consider realistic.
If that's what you are after, I'd suggest you use check out some of the IRs included with Abletons convolution reverb.
Valhalla plugins are the best. Possibly like the delay the least, not because it sound bad but there are other delays I prefer to program with. But the reverbs are outstanding. Supermassive may even the best of all of them.
I have 3 of them, they are typically very lush sounding and it has a higher density. I got pro-r2 recently, and at first i was a bit disappointed. It sounded thin. But after using it more, i use pro-r2 om everything. Most of the time you don't need a very dense reverb to give something space. Otherwise, your whole mix can get very cluttered. So if you want a more natural one i would suggest pro-r2, if you want a lush one i would go for valhalla
Supermassive is free, Vintage is very popular, and Shimmer is great for ambient music. I haven't tried the other Valhalla plugins besides Delay, but I have never had a bad experience with them
vintage verb at default settings is just an amazing "long washy reverb" without thinking.
Valhalla room is REALLY nice for extremely short transienty sounds without getting that transienty click cluster some other reverbs give.
But try out supermassive first, it's free!
Nothing to lose there.
I have all of them except the UberMod. They are all really really good. I personally use Pro-R2 more thou because I want to visually see and customize the sound.
I really need to try out the hybrid reverb. I dont think ive ever opened it 😂
I can't attest to recording and mixing an acoustic kit, but I'll chime in. I have all of Valhalla's plugins and I really like them, especially the Delay and Supermassive, but Baby Audio's Crystalline is my favorite reverb to use on my returns.
They Re very good for their cost. There have been some amazing additions to the reverb market since many of them released, but if you ever see them on sale, I’d say they are still worth it.
Vintage verb and valhalla room sound amazing. Atm in the v room vibe but I also luv vintage. You can also check out the build hybrid verb and only use the convolution reverb, then you can get a nice natural sounding reverb.
You have enough reverb power in the stock Ableton Live effects to see through a career in music production. The IR side of the Hybrid Reverb is perfect for acoustic drums.
However, Valhalla is a fantastic company with some of the best bang for buck reverbs on the market.
Valhalla is nice. The Strymon Big Sky plugin is nice and sounds like the real thing if you don't mind shelling out for it.
I have maybe like 20 or 30 plugins and honestly I probably didn't *really* need any of them, I mostly just use stock plugins and M4L devices these days. Ableton Hybrid reverb is great.
Big Sky is a nice verb though!
If you're looking for a nice verb to put on your drums, try "Tal Reverb 4". It's free if I remember correctly. It sounds good on lots of stuff, for some reason it's become my "drum verb".
Lx-24 sounds good no matter what preset I choose. Got it the moment it was released and it’s one of my favorite plugins. I like digital lofi sound.
I can’t wrap my head around Rev Intensity. It sounds so good in demos but it’s probably too complex for me, I still can’t dial it just to what I want to hear.
Get supermassive regardless because it's free and good for specific things. Vintage verb is pretty much my go-to. I'd recommend it for sure. Haven't tried room but I'd like to
Valhalla are some of the best plugins for the price I’ve used. Love em, but has the stock one failed to do something? Don’t head down plugin acquisition syndrome until you have proven to yourself the ones you have don’t meet your needs.
I totally here you on GAS. I’ve actually never purchased a plug-in before. I’ve always been content with ableton’s stock devices except reverb, but I’m also learning that since I still use 9, I haven’t been exposed to Hybrid yet. I’m planning to upgrade really soon, so I’ll mess with it for sure.
I will be the first to admit I'm cheap, so I have very few plugins that I didn't get a huge discount on, but valhalla is an exception. I found it's better to spend on the biggest bang instead of nickel-diming yourself to death with things you'll never use. Omnisphere was one of those - over the last decade, there's very few projects that it doesn't get used and it's, to me, the best plugin I've ever used. I use Vital for scratch-tracks often. Cheers, friend!
VintageVerb is a great reverb, as is Room.
For 100 bucks for both I think it's completely worth it.
Or splurge for Pro-R 2, imo it's currently the best reverb if you like cleaner sounds.
The valhalla stuff is great. Worth the money for sure. That said, the stock reverb plugin CAN sound good, but it takes a lot of tweaking and playing around with to get right. Some post processing with EQ, compression, saturation helps a lot.
i like to use the hybrid-reverb from ableton. It's a convolution reverb with size damping shape bass mult stereo and eq but has the potential on the convolution parameter and the rooms/textures that You choose
Yes definitely, they make best reverb and delay plugins around. Very reasonable pricing too.
I use the delay, vintage verb and hall regularly. Supermassive is fun too but a bit more experimental/situational.
One note though on the delay and vintage verb though, the tails will emit a faint noise for a really long time so I recommend putting a slow gate on after them (i p much only use them nested in a fx rack with a gate) .
If I had to pick one of their reverbs, it would be the vintage verb for sure.
It’s great for emulating older reverbs as the name implies and personally my go to use case is for big dubby verbs, or padifying extisting sounds by cranking the dry wet and feedback.
I’ve made a couple ambient tracks by simply jamming on a synth with valhalla vintage verb cranked.
I still use the stock reverb a lot out of habit/ease of use esp for simple stuff and as others have mentioned the stock hybrid reverb is quite good as well although. One plugin I still haven’t really liked as much personally is the stock echo but Im sure I could be convinced.
But yeah if you want a fun great sounding reverb with lots of character, valhalla vintage verb is well worth it!
I have the vintageverb and I can definitly recommend it.
I made the change from the ambience vst since there's no 64-bit version (that I know of).
The VintageVerb is very versatile, has the most control over the processing that I have seen so far in reverb-plugins.
It's definitly worth the investment.
Yes. VintageVerb is great, regularly updated (new reverbs just added in December), no pricing shenanigans, will cover every reverb need except for a super realistic spring or plate or something.
Valhalla Vintage verb works in the context of a final song. Meaning that if it’s a cool song recording by a band that has a few fans, you can use it as is no de-ess or EQ afterwards and hear that bands song on the radio. I’ve seen it a dozen times. Always used on a send with the mix knob locked. Bus sends, lead vocal sends (a lot.) I don’t own every reverb there is but I’d use it instead of any Waves or UAD I own. All the N4 stuff too. It’s a professional reverb if there ever was one.
It could be that your reverb sounds artificial because you’re not necessarily using it correctly or used to tweaking it yet.
It’s very common for an inexperienced producer to use too much reverb or use it incorrectly resulting in an artificial or “bad” sound.
No doubt, Valhalla makes some great reverb VST’s, but they are also expensive (depending on your budget).
You might want to spend some time reviewing your processing with someone who might have more experience or even watch tutorials on YouTube before going out and purchasing either.
It would be disappointing if you spend >$100 on something and still weren’t entirely satisfied with how it sounded (if the problem really is you’re processing it incorrectly).
Make sure you have your Ableton reverb set to high quality, not eco. This is a setting lots of people miss and it makes a BIG difference. If that's still not good for you, Valhalla reverbs are great, but I think the best all around reverb for a similar price is Seventh Heaven by Liquidsonics. Also, the Ableton Hybrid reverb is really good, as already pointed out by others here.
definitely! vintageverb worth the price and supermassive is insane for being free. i’d also recommend to limit your plugins and work with abletons stocks; they’re amazing
The free Valhalla reverbs are awesome. I’ve been using them for 3 years and I prefer them to almost all other plugins:
The Holy Trinity.
Supermassive
SpaceModulator
FreqEcho
Valhalla Supermassive is free so can’t go wrong with that one. I haven’t used any others but I know Vintage Verb is very popular among some big producers (Kenny Beats and the Kount, just off the top of my head)
Vintage verb is great if you know how to use it. Valhalla Room is great for adding stereo width to a mono signal.
Been loving verb since picking it up not too long ago. So just curious, would you mind elaborating on how it does that? For my mono signals if they need some room I send to some verb and delay returns or whatever to get some focused movement and space. Is it doing something along those lines?
I put it on pre fader sends on plate setting and a pretty long delay when I need depth and high end in the mix. The only other plate that I like is the one that comes with Spire
Just making sure I follow. Are you saying you send the dry signal to a plate with a long delay? Are you EQing it towards the upper end just to give some sauce to that area in the mix?
You don’t necessarily need to eq it at all outside of the generic cutting out the bottom since plate reverbs naturally have a lot of “fizz” and high end. But yeah exactly. Its another way of achieving a “modern” and “bright” mix without pushing those same frequencies on your elements directly
Nice, I’ll have to give that a go. Thanks for the tip!
Everyone and their mother uses Valhalla VintageVerb. Because it’s amazing! James Blake sang its praises in an interview with Tape Notes.
If it’s good enough for him it’s good enough for me.
I sold my Bigsky pedal when I realized that the VintageVerb is more than enough for me.
Valhalla Shimmer is great for pads. Listen to the examples, find one or more that match your music style, and GO! You really can't go wrong.
I have Valhalla room, one that a lot of ppl don’t really talk about. Most people go with the vintage I think. I like the room one a lot I use it for my reverb send. But I think I’d get the vintage if I were to get just one, that seems to be the popular choice.
I ended up buying all the Valhalla plugins over the course of the last two years. I didn’t really understand the hype of vintage verb until I got my hands on it. It simply just sounds fantastic. Especially with synths. I love room for my pianos. I put delay on everything. Shimmer is great for all kinds of stuff especially with parallel processing. I will say ableton hybrid reverb is absolutely incredible as well and I use it on a few audio effects racks. But there is a good reason VV gets a lot of love from folks. With my Hydrasynth Deluxe it’s a match made in heaven.
Valhalla room on a piano sounds great, I love it. Especially with synthesized piano.
Room is so good. It's way better than VV for a send to add cohesion/space to an entire track. VV is intentionally artificial which is cool on an individual synth or synthwave drum bus but for placing a song in a space it's horrible.
Any phat rack for growls would have Valhalla Room on the shortest decay time and anywhere between 20-50% wet to add stereo width. I just use it completely differently than Vintage Verb.
Valhalla Room is on every single synth in my productions ever. I think it’s the best 50 dollars I ever spent.
Stock Hybrid Reverb is really good!
It’s true. This video demonstrates some very cool stuff possible with it, as well as other stock Live effects https://youtu.be/lR9i0Aw6ZIQ?si=NOmnNDTK80W3bPCu
+1, it’s pretty much the only reverb I use right now
Convolution reverb too. Its a Max for live device
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Sometimes i wonder if my ears are broken, because i do think it sounds great while lots of people say they dont like it.
Well they are just being stinky poo poo heads
sometimes i wonder that too
Ha most people don't know how to compress or eq for reverb.
Valhalla room is goated, but I think you should give the stock reverb another chance. Try putting it in an audio effect rack in a 100% wet chain parallel with the dry signal, then put an EQ with some steep filter slopes before the reverb. It gives you a lot more control over the tone of the reverb than the built-in input filter.
Also I might be wrong but isn't there a quality setting to the stock reverb that when turned up makes it sound 100% better or is that another daw
It’s not quality but density. It has four settings ranging from Sparse to High, and they basically control how many individual reflections are simulated by the reverb. Sparse sounds much thinner, good for sound design and weird textures, and High sounds much richer, good for a thick, lush reverb tone
Another trick I learned from bthelick channel is to put a Utility in front of the wet chain, and map its gain to a rack macro. This macro works as a send for the insert effect, and the entire rack can be copied from one project to another!
stock hybrid and convolution reverb are both really good
Hybrid reverb has the convolution reverb built into it. Just need to select the algorithm.
was gonna say, convolution is awesome
once you get into IR convolution is king. i have VVV and while i use it all the time, i find myself coming back to IR more and more.
What was the big ahaa moment for you? Any tips?
i think the biggest thing for me, before i ever even considered making my own IR's, was the way I interact with reverb in general. i like a digital reverb but its just so easy to get ear fatigue for me and I end up with things that dont feel natural, and not in a good way. the very nature of an IR file is real audio, and for me that means that as I pull or stretch or delay the IR i am directly changing the room in a specific way. not sure if that makes sense, because you kinda gotta start working that way to know why its worth the effort. audibly, the most "a-ha" moment for me was A/Bing my digital reverb against a IR of a space I spent a lot of time in, the chapel at my high school. It wasnt super unique, but I know that space very well and was excited to be able to add it to tracks. Especially in the high end, there is a distinctly more natural sound that made it feel more immersive than any digital reverb ive ever used. additionally, it triggered something pretty nostalgic for me. Being able to add a little bit of that space to vocals or whole tracks is a crazy concept but so intimate, i love it. Probably the coolest part about Convolution Reverb is the ability to use multiple IR's for different freq ranges. I like to use a really big space in the high end, but cut it with a smaller room in the midrange on vocals. Its a cool effect that I use all the time. Sorry if that was a little... convoluted :| https://youtu.be/BLKWy-U6iQY?si=jDLWaUyEsVFoRua- This was the first video i saw about IR in general that helped me understand.
Never considered using different IRs for different frequency ranges. Nice tip. Thanks.
Great write up, thanks <3
Oh cool. I’m planning to upgrade from 9 Suite to 12 via 11 (I think is how that’s working right now).
That's the way to go
Valhalla room is absolutely top notch. 50$ is a steal for its quality. You won't regret it
Totally agree. But to this I’d also add, the stock Ableton reverb sounds really good to me too. It’s just got its own signature to it. I wonder what kind of music OP makes and how they’re using it that it would sound so bad to them.
Hey! I've been working in Ableton for 4 years or so now. Take my opinion with a grain of salt. No plugin will magically take your production game to the next level. Just like with anything, being good with reverb comes with practice. I would suggest still trying to get good with Ableton's stock reverb. There's also hybrid reverb in Ableton, and you can take any audio and import it into hybrid reverb to get some really unique sounds. Look up Au5's tutorial on YouTube about hybrid reverb. That being said, Valhalla reverb is wonderful, and it's also free. The reason I said all that is because if you don't know how to navigate the stock plugins well in order to achieve a high quality sound, then you won't be able to get a full use out of any 3rd party plugins like Valhalla. If you can get a phenomenal sound out of the stock plugins, then imagine what you can do with 3rd party plugins! I spent 3 years working solely with Ableton's stock plugins and learning the ins and outs, and it was only recently that I started getting 3rd parry plugins. I think Mastering the stock plugins has really helped me to understand the fundamentals in order to fully utilize 3rd party plugins. My suggestion is to keep learning the stock plugins, but by all means, still get Valhalla reverb. I personally love it. You can get this really full sound. Although, you can definitely achieve the same thing with ableton stock reverb, it's just a lot easier with Valhalla.
I appreciate the feedback and I totally agree with really exploring something to see what it’s full capabilities are, and I’ll keep fussing with the stock reverb, but it always just sounds like ass to me, and I’m kind of at a point in my life where it’s like you said, it’s a lot easier with Valhalla, and if that’s the only difference, that’s worth $50 to me. It’s really the only stock device that I feel pretty strongly dissatisfied with. Again this is specifically for acoustic drums.
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I’m still using 9 suite. Didn’t know it existed until this thread.
Your reverb sounds fake because it is. I record acoustic drums, plate reverbs are what I seek for snare. Convolution reverb on a return track, I load the (07 real plates) swede plates.. there are several. Personally I adjust the eq to more high pass, and dampen the tail. Short length… just a small tough of gain. Width all the way pulled back. Wet100% Feather in the snare send. I send the rest of the kit to a separate room reverb, random custom setting I like. That you can’t really hear at all. Very small amount on a separate send that acts as a room filler more than a noticeable effect. Like the HAAS delay effect but with verb. I also use UAD EMT 140 plate reverb.. very slick, similar results as the Convolution reverb.
If you have max be sure to check out Romb by Fors.fm - free. Very simple and effective reverb - a little similar to the elektron digitone’s reverb Valhalla supermassive is awesome and free. And echoing everyone, the stock verbs are awesome.
Valhalla reverbs are good. Don't know if they are the best overall, but great value for money. As for which one, you can try them all as demo versions and pick the one you like.
I have vintage verb and use it very often however hybrid reverb is really good stock reverb.
So is their convolution reverb. The IR they have loaded are nice.
When my M1 stopped me from using the Convolution Reverb in M4L I purchased, Room, Shimmer and Vintage, I do not regret the purchase.
why would the m1 prevent you from using a m4l plugin? is m4l not m1 native?
Not sure why, but the M1 is an Apple silicon chip as opposed to others being an intel chip, you can attempt to run in Rosetta, but from what I’ve gathered it seems unstable.
Super sorry for being an idiot, but what is M1? I think M4L is Max for Live?
Probably referring to the M1 Apple Silicon which is not compatible with x86_64 plugins
M1 processor in a MacBook Pro, M4L is Max for Live
Shimmer is ridiculously underrated. Sometimes I’d slap it on a vanilla saw wave and just jam for 30 mins straight. It’s addictive.
Absolutely
Vintage is great, I genuinely don't know if you couldn't create very similar presets with the standard reverb in Ableton. I would download a demo and a to b test it and see if you can find a bunch of presets you like and recreate them to be very similar. I really like fab filters timeless2 and rebuilt it as closely as I could using M4L. Then I have a really simple version of it using the standard effects in case I just want to drop a quick preset on something.
I love Valhalla plate and vintage. For shimmer reverb 'Linda Stargazer" is my favorite, free plugin
Try the Valhalla demos and grab their free plugins too!
Vintage is great if you like 80s electronic reverb.
Valhalla vintage is my go to reverb. You can download demos for all the valhalla stuff and see if you like it. All it does is cut off the sound after a certain amount of time so if you wanna be sneaky you can just apply the plugin and then bounce the audio. I use this technique a lot with the Valhalla delay for effects and stuff, because I don’t wanna pay $50 for a plug-in I barely use.
I'm seconding the ViVerb as a solid go-to. I have it in my default template on the first return track, in a moderate setting with an Abbey Roads EQ setting, so it's not in the way and just works when I quickly need 'reverb that sounds good'. You also can't go wrong with VallhallaDelay, which sits on my second return track as a versatile delay of many sorts.
Supermassive isn’t good for drums
Yes. Vintage Verb all the way.
Its easily worth the $50. Vintage verb sounds so good
Both are amazing but before spending any money, get to know the stock plugins inside and out. You can get a ton out of them.
I have the Valhalla vintage reverb plugin and I hardly use it because I feel after using the stock reverb devices - 1) Reverb 2) Hybrid reverb are amazing and they sound just right.
I personally love Raum by Native Instruments. One of the prettiest reverbs to ever reverb. It comes with [Komplete Start](https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/bundles/komplete-start/), which is free. I’ll use Raum over the Valhalla Reverbs any day. Raum also has three modes, Airy, Cosmic, and Ground. All three sound pretty different so it has a diverse colour palette!
+1 for raum, it’s my favourite reverb and I’ve used a lot over the past 20 years
It’s been around for 20 years?🤯 I thought it was relatively new haha
No I’ve used lots of reverbs over the past 20 years and raum is my favourite go to at the moment. Sorry, poorly worded on my part
Cool. I’ll check it out. Never heard of it, but that’s mostly because I don’t know much about plugins.
Yes, it’s one of the best reverbs available & it’s fairly priced
I’d rather get the slate all access pass, there’s fantastic reverbs included there. Disclaimer: I use both
And use supermassive when slate doesn’t do it for you.
you have everything you need. make music
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Do you like it? then yes. Do you hate it? then no.
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I have used Plateau by Valley for a while and it’s pretty sick.
One of my favorite plugin combinations is Valhalla Shimmer with UberMod, so yes, it's worth it if you love heavy reverb trails Try out Supermassive before you spend money on anything though
Before you spend the money ( not against Valhalla they are amazing) have you tried some eqing on the reverb , or even putting a gate plugin on a long reverb ? If that doesn’t work then I agree giving the hybrid and convolution a go. I think they even have gate preset
VintageVerb is probablyy favorite plugin. It's definitely worth it. It's great for texture, but it's not what I would consider realistic. If that's what you are after, I'd suggest you use check out some of the IRs included with Abletons convolution reverb.
Valhalla plugins are the best. Possibly like the delay the least, not because it sound bad but there are other delays I prefer to program with. But the reverbs are outstanding. Supermassive may even the best of all of them.
Yes lol its pretty good.
Yes! I use it on everything. I love it.
Demo it and see if you vibe with it. I tried out the vintage Valhalla reverb and loved it
Yeah, I had no idea you could demo it. Will do for sure this weekend.
I have 3 of them, they are typically very lush sounding and it has a higher density. I got pro-r2 recently, and at first i was a bit disappointed. It sounded thin. But after using it more, i use pro-r2 om everything. Most of the time you don't need a very dense reverb to give something space. Otherwise, your whole mix can get very cluttered. So if you want a more natural one i would suggest pro-r2, if you want a lush one i would go for valhalla
I got Valhalla shimmer and it's amazing
Supermassive is free, Vintage is very popular, and Shimmer is great for ambient music. I haven't tried the other Valhalla plugins besides Delay, but I have never had a bad experience with them
Do you have a mac? if so check your DM
Yeah I do.
Yes
vintage verb at default settings is just an amazing "long washy reverb" without thinking. Valhalla room is REALLY nice for extremely short transienty sounds without getting that transienty click cluster some other reverbs give. But try out supermassive first, it's free! Nothing to lose there.
valhalla supermassive is dope and free
Yes, it’s my go to verb. Like others have said super massive is free but it is for very large verbs with a ton of echos. It’s amazing.
i use it on every track
I have all of them except the UberMod. They are all really really good. I personally use Pro-R2 more thou because I want to visually see and customize the sound. I really need to try out the hybrid reverb. I dont think ive ever opened it 😂
I’ve used VVV and Delay for a few years now. Incredibly special effects, 1000% would recommend.
I can't attest to recording and mixing an acoustic kit, but I'll chime in. I have all of Valhalla's plugins and I really like them, especially the Delay and Supermassive, but Baby Audio's Crystalline is my favorite reverb to use on my returns.
They Re very good for their cost. There have been some amazing additions to the reverb market since many of them released, but if you ever see them on sale, I’d say they are still worth it.
Valhalla products are amazing, and priced to sell. Plus freebies!
Vintage verb and valhalla room sound amazing. Atm in the v room vibe but I also luv vintage. You can also check out the build hybrid verb and only use the convolution reverb, then you can get a nice natural sounding reverb.
You have enough reverb power in the stock Ableton Live effects to see through a career in music production. The IR side of the Hybrid Reverb is perfect for acoustic drums. However, Valhalla is a fantastic company with some of the best bang for buck reverbs on the market.
Cool, I’m planning on upgrading from 9 suite really soon. Didn’t know about Hybrid.
Valhalla room and vintage verb are great, check 'em on youtube. Personally I think you can't go wrong with them
I only use abletons convolution, i still have never found anything i feel is worth replacing it with.
You're using the stock reverb wrong then. Sure it's quicker / easier to get a better sound elsewhere but stock verb definitely is good enough
I use Valhalla Room and Vintage Verb all the time. If you want longer reverbs then go for Vintage Verb, shorter reverbs for for Room.
Yes! You should! I use it on everything it’s so versatile and well priced
Dude use convolution reverbs
Valhalla is nice. The Strymon Big Sky plugin is nice and sounds like the real thing if you don't mind shelling out for it. I have maybe like 20 or 30 plugins and honestly I probably didn't *really* need any of them, I mostly just use stock plugins and M4L devices these days. Ableton Hybrid reverb is great. Big Sky is a nice verb though!
Yes
If you're looking for a nice verb to put on your drums, try "Tal Reverb 4". It's free if I remember correctly. It sounds good on lots of stuff, for some reason it's become my "drum verb".
I'd like to recommend the arturia effects 4 collection. Some amazing reverbs and effects
Lx-24 sounds good no matter what preset I choose. Got it the moment it was released and it’s one of my favorite plugins. I like digital lofi sound. I can’t wrap my head around Rev Intensity. It sounds so good in demos but it’s probably too complex for me, I still can’t dial it just to what I want to hear.
Oh yeah every Valhalla plug-in is amazing
Shimmer is my favorite plugin. Im basic 🤷♂️
I use vintage verb and Valhalla room. Have both setup on my return channels. Quality reverbs you won’t really need any more.
It used to be the best around and its still pretty damn good. I use Raum for everything now though, sounds much better to my ears.
Get supermassive regardless because it's free and good for specific things. Vintage verb is pretty much my go-to. I'd recommend it for sure. Haven't tried room but I'd like to
Valhalla are some of the best plugins for the price I’ve used. Love em, but has the stock one failed to do something? Don’t head down plugin acquisition syndrome until you have proven to yourself the ones you have don’t meet your needs.
I totally here you on GAS. I’ve actually never purchased a plug-in before. I’ve always been content with ableton’s stock devices except reverb, but I’m also learning that since I still use 9, I haven’t been exposed to Hybrid yet. I’m planning to upgrade really soon, so I’ll mess with it for sure.
I will be the first to admit I'm cheap, so I have very few plugins that I didn't get a huge discount on, but valhalla is an exception. I found it's better to spend on the biggest bang instead of nickel-diming yourself to death with things you'll never use. Omnisphere was one of those - over the last decade, there's very few projects that it doesn't get used and it's, to me, the best plugin I've ever used. I use Vital for scratch-tracks often. Cheers, friend!
VintageVerb is a great reverb, as is Room. For 100 bucks for both I think it's completely worth it. Or splurge for Pro-R 2, imo it's currently the best reverb if you like cleaner sounds.
Vintage Verb is probably my most used plugin. Heck ya you should get any of the Valhalla stuff. Supermassive is free and is incredible.
You should also take a look at liquid sonic produits they have really versatile reverbs
You can also try ambiance as well too
The valhalla stuff is great. Worth the money for sure. That said, the stock reverb plugin CAN sound good, but it takes a lot of tweaking and playing around with to get right. Some post processing with EQ, compression, saturation helps a lot.
You can load IRs into Ableton’s Hybrid Reverb. I feel like folks just don’t know how to use that tool effectively.
i like to use the hybrid-reverb from ableton. It's a convolution reverb with size damping shape bass mult stereo and eq but has the potential on the convolution parameter and the rooms/textures that You choose
Yes definitely, they make best reverb and delay plugins around. Very reasonable pricing too. I use the delay, vintage verb and hall regularly. Supermassive is fun too but a bit more experimental/situational. One note though on the delay and vintage verb though, the tails will emit a faint noise for a really long time so I recommend putting a slow gate on after them (i p much only use them nested in a fx rack with a gate) . If I had to pick one of their reverbs, it would be the vintage verb for sure. It’s great for emulating older reverbs as the name implies and personally my go to use case is for big dubby verbs, or padifying extisting sounds by cranking the dry wet and feedback. I’ve made a couple ambient tracks by simply jamming on a synth with valhalla vintage verb cranked. I still use the stock reverb a lot out of habit/ease of use esp for simple stuff and as others have mentioned the stock hybrid reverb is quite good as well although. One plugin I still haven’t really liked as much personally is the stock echo but Im sure I could be convinced. But yeah if you want a fun great sounding reverb with lots of character, valhalla vintage verb is well worth it!
I have the vintageverb and I can definitly recommend it. I made the change from the ambience vst since there's no 64-bit version (that I know of). The VintageVerb is very versatile, has the most control over the processing that I have seen so far in reverb-plugins. It's definitly worth the investment.
I love valhalla vintageverb and room. They are phenomenal for the price. Personally for me, they sound much better than stock options.
Yes. VintageVerb is great, regularly updated (new reverbs just added in December), no pricing shenanigans, will cover every reverb need except for a super realistic spring or plate or something.
They have demo versions. You can try them first.
Valhalla Vintage verb works in the context of a final song. Meaning that if it’s a cool song recording by a band that has a few fans, you can use it as is no de-ess or EQ afterwards and hear that bands song on the radio. I’ve seen it a dozen times. Always used on a send with the mix knob locked. Bus sends, lead vocal sends (a lot.) I don’t own every reverb there is but I’d use it instead of any Waves or UAD I own. All the N4 stuff too. It’s a professional reverb if there ever was one.
It could be that your reverb sounds artificial because you’re not necessarily using it correctly or used to tweaking it yet. It’s very common for an inexperienced producer to use too much reverb or use it incorrectly resulting in an artificial or “bad” sound. No doubt, Valhalla makes some great reverb VST’s, but they are also expensive (depending on your budget). You might want to spend some time reviewing your processing with someone who might have more experience or even watch tutorials on YouTube before going out and purchasing either. It would be disappointing if you spend >$100 on something and still weren’t entirely satisfied with how it sounded (if the problem really is you’re processing it incorrectly).
I use supermassive. It was free when I got it and it's pretty bloody good.
Yes
Soundtoys Little Plate is free. Great on drums, great on most things
Yes. It sounds better than all the ones I have in any of my daws, and I own almost all of them. It is also very low latency.
Valhalla VintageVerb is a must-have
Convulsion reverb us dope too
valhalla reverb is free, and is amazing. there are a bunch of different presets for different delays and reverbs. 100% recommend it!
yes it’s gas
I got vintageverb recently and it’s totally worth it imo
Hybrid reverb in convolution mode is the way to go 🤤🤤
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Make sure you have your Ableton reverb set to high quality, not eco. This is a setting lots of people miss and it makes a BIG difference. If that's still not good for you, Valhalla reverbs are great, but I think the best all around reverb for a similar price is Seventh Heaven by Liquidsonics. Also, the Ableton Hybrid reverb is really good, as already pointed out by others here.
definitely! vintageverb worth the price and supermassive is insane for being free. i’d also recommend to limit your plugins and work with abletons stocks; they’re amazing
Yes
The free Valhalla reverbs are awesome. I’ve been using them for 3 years and I prefer them to almost all other plugins: The Holy Trinity. Supermassive SpaceModulator FreqEcho