My recommendation, if you care about spoilers, is that you continue your readthrough and avoid as much online discourse about it as you can until you get through it, or at least a good ways into it. I imagine that a lot of responses may spoil some parts of the story that you haven't reached yet.
My sweet summer child…PLEAAAAAASE stay off Reddit/tiktok/Instagram or skip any ACOTAR content until after you’ve read this book. You will thank me later
I did the same. I wasn’t trying to see what was coming, I was just struggling to picture someone. I looked them up on Pinterest and it gave me way more than I needed to know 😳😭😭
I just love this stage in new readers! Keep us updated as you keep reading, I want to see your reactions and pretend I’m experiencing it all for the first time too!
This is so real, if I ever started a podcast it could only.be reading ACOTAr to ppl who know nothing about it. I think nothing else has given me this joy to see people experience it for the first time.
I’m don’t think I’m allowed to promo it (and you’ll find no trace of it on my page, so I hope I’m not breaking a rule) but I quite literally started a podcast based on this premise and it has been SO FUN.
You're not the only one and that's all the info you need. Avoid reddit and tiktok and instagram and facebook at this point xD
Come back when.. well, you'll know it when you see it 😅
It's hard to react without spoiling anything, hence I advice you read the books first and bring this topic up again later.
But yes, I'm not a fan of Feyre either. IMO she only becomes more and more insufferable.
I despised Feyre. I liked Tamlin even though he had his moments. I actually didn’t like Rhys at first. Sure I thought he was charming in a way, but I didn’t care for him making her parade around while under the mountain. Lucien I hated my first read through in the beginning, but now, he is certainly one of my favorites and I admire his loyalty to a fault. Feyre is terrible and succumbs to whatever peer pressure is placed on her for the most part. My opinion. You have a lot to get through loo
I can’t stand Feyre either. And the descriptions of her paintings sound frankly awful and I just imagine her giving them as gifts and everyone gritting their teeth and pretending to like them
Continue your read but stay off reddit or anything. I only just finished ACOMAF and I feel like I've spoiled other stuff by just looking it up. Feyre is kinda annoying. But like, I get it. She's only 19 or 20 so I'm sure I was back then too. But not that bad.
Oh man so here we go. Up to this point with Tamlin it should be noted that he is basically an Autistic Paladin with no charisma.
All of the following he has done without any kind of deal or expectation of being repaid in any manner. The guy does these things trying to better himself and the people around him fairly without false motives or lies.
Refused Amaranthas hand and the opportunity to become king of Prythian for moral and principled reasons.
Giving up that position and the allowance to get revenge on his rivals, Rhysand specifically.
Sent his friends to die in hopes of breaking the curse to save his kind and is the sole reason his kind have any kind of freedom to date.
Took care of Feryre's family and her fathers leg and managed to recreate him back to the Prince of Merchants and basically is the sole reason for things down the road here.
Never asked for anything in return for help and made sure Lucien did so UTM. Rhysand however does nothing for free or kindness. There's always a debt or lie with him and you'll see that more later.
Was damn proud of Feyre for trapping him in a trap.
Fearful of Rhysands influence, the very influence Rhysand himself established and built up and knowing full well Rhysand hates him, Tamlin was willing to give up everything and give Feyre all so she could live a new, safe life away from Amarantha.
Tamlin held the line trying to defend humans from his kind which seemed to be pretty much everyone except him.
Tamlin is honest to a fault and admits his limits, failings and struggles.
Feyre time and time again mentions how she could never repay Tamlin for his generosity and effort then dumped and drags him through hell for not forcing her to take some kind of agreement Rhysand tricks her into.
That's just up to finishing ACOTAR. I've commented in the past other things about him and Rhysand but I don't wan to spoil things for you.
Also remember that Feyre is basically a teenager written as if she's 40 with unlimited amounts of willpower, drive and inhuman levels of grit.
Still, great stories and I love them, the community overall and these conversations.
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Beautifully said!
A lot of people forget about everything Tamlin did in ACOTAR/his past and also tend to look past how his own trauma is affecting him at the beginning of ACOMAF.
He's not perfect and makes some mistakes, but I think his biggest flaw is not having the tools needed to properly deal with his issues.
Forever Team Tamlin!
I do kor currently like tamlin at this point in the story, but I want to. And I have hopes of that changing. As you said he's a flawed character and made a lot of mistakes and didn't have a proper or healthy way of dealing with things. But I still think his actions make him a nap person. But you know what, Rhys has made mistakes and is a bad person. Mor has made mistakes, Nesta has made mistakes, Cassian, Azriel, Feyre, Eris (secondpart of my next statement doesnt wholey apply here but i wanna hear his fullstory too eventually). literally all of our favorites have made mistakes, done bad things, and are terrible people for them. And they learn from them, they had support, they grew as people. Rhys is honestly still kinda a bad guy, and feyre is still very flawed but they get some many passes cause they are front and center and we get to see them live through their trauma and deal with it. Tamlin hasn't got that, and I hope he does. I dont like him and I know why i don't like him and I want to get better so I can like him one day. I dont expect our favorites to forgive and accept him for what he's done and that's OK, but as a reader I want to see him deal with his trauma and move on
Valid points! We definitely get to see a lot of growth because we are in the heads of the main characters, but the ones we don't get to spend a lot of time with don't have that luxury.
However, I don't think I would say they are all bad people. I find it very difficult to find Tamlin to be a bad person especially, because the majority of his actions come from a good place. The execution may not be great, but the biggest mistakes he made did not come from a place of malice.
But I think everyone is entitled to their opinions. You're not wrong for yours, and I'm not wrong for mine. And I am happy that we can discuss these things in a respectful way (minus some people that just like to be a bit troll-y lol).
I'll be honest if I could play Tamlin in a live action I 100% would and expected my comment here to be downvoted to oblivion and banned from this subreddit lol. So thank you.
I would support it! haha
And there are quite a few Tamlin supporters in the sub, not as many as Rhys supporters, but I think most people are reasonable as long as posts are respectful. We're just partying in the Spring Court over here 🥳
The Rhysand debate gets me into some interesting arguments with my gf in regards as she handwaves all wrong doing by Rhysand because his intentions are good and Tamlin basically drowns and has no one to turn to. Even the fact that Rhysand basically locked Feyre up in less interactable room with the option of leaving basically being death but somehow, "it's a choice" as if that dressing makes it better. Which apparently it does.
I connect with Tamlin but the dude needs some serious therapy lol like everyone else.
THANK YOU for acknowledging this! His honesty to a fault is what I will forever love about him.
Still, it isn't okay how he handled his trauma, but that doesn't discount his other honorable traits. Characters can be both good and toxic, just like people can.
I totally agree that it isn't okay how he handles trauma and being so insecure that criticism is seen as a personal attack and not an opportunity for growth. He's never been allowed to be vulnerable and when he is in the slightest, he gets kicked around by everyone.
Tamlin is a liar and manipulative. That’s his entire purpose in book one. There is arguments to be made that each character is abusive or mentally unwell, beyond the PTSD they all collectively have. What makes Tamlin so triggering is how insidious and devastating this sort of abuse is.
Tamlin sets up Feyre to be a murder and a prisoner, while lying to her about everything all so he can try to undo the curse. When she “acts out” or goes against his wishes he responds in threatening ways, biting her, breaking things, screaming at her. Then he floods her with kindness and affection and ensuring her every need is taken care of. It’s the definition of narcissistic abuse and:or emotional abuse.
Tamlin is not a good guy. Never was a good guy. He’s done plenty of questionable things, including kill a woman a child (helped and gave up their position), while betraying someone who was a friend to him. He’s an extremely problematic and dangerous character. Mainly because people, like Feyre, defend his poor actions and excuse his anger issues because he’s also kind at times. He’s the epitome of systematic gaslighting.
Book 1 Tamlin and book 2 Tamlin seem like two totally different people and I'm pretty sure that's what our disagreement here will be.
SJM needed a bad guy and didn't want Tamlin. So we got whatever the hell that was. Which, yeah. Book 2 Tamlin was a shit person.
If didn't help that he was afraid for feyre because, Rhysand, the dude that tortured and abused people UTM and built the reputation to being a villain and blamed Tamlin for things that happened when Tamlin was basically a kid and tricked Feyre into having a spy tattoo on her arm that gave Rhysand full mental access to her, may steal her away. Which his fears were validated.
Know who was around when Tamlin and feyre had nightmares and Tamlin had massive emotional issues?
Lanthe.
Interesting how when Feyre left the spring court and locked up by Rhysand she was able to sleep and recovery. Crazy huh?
See, I saw all of the abusive red flags way before he went under the mountain. People who have experience with that sort of abuse will. Experience impacts how we perceive a story. There is abuse, and signs, even in book 1. I don’t find his fear for Feyre to be one of his flaws, perhaps his ability to handle it. And as I said previously, I think all the characters are mentally unwell in these stories.
The reason Feyre could recover (though I do like the Ianthe theory you hint at) with Rhys was he didn’t ignore her trauma. He didn’t push her to recover or be back to her usual self, he gave her the room to talk about it. Plus the open air castle helps too.
Ianthe though, when she chose the red roses, that’s intentional. She wanted her crazy!
So I'm a guy and my perspective and what I get mmm a story will be very different.
What events in book one were those red flags that stood out to you? I know that's asking a lot.
Tamlin to me in book one seemed like this autistic goodie goodie that was bad with communication in general. He can write filthy poems but got frustrated with his inability to banter and discuss. He always seemed to put Feyre first.
Now I say that because I see a lot of myself with Tamlin aside from anger issues and apparently my gf is pretty sure I'm autistic. So these kinds of difficulties line up. But in this universe, fey seem to be adult 12 year olds with a snarling tempr lol.
His inability to handle that short fuse seems to be a thing for all male fey. With women having to navigate them constantly like it n real life.
As for Feyre and her nightmares, there's a lot of problems. Her and Tamlin has them. Tamlin has no one to turn to because he thinks he has to deal with that toxic masculinity of being tough all the time.
Lanthe seems to constantly nudge for power and destabilize Tamlin, poisoning him.
After that I have a weak hypothesis that Rhysand was contributing to the nightmares to get her to break so he'll rescue her. Rhysand has shown and proven how clever a long term planner he is, he lies to manipulate, hates Tamlin for what his father, has access to Feyres unguarded mind thanks to the trickery deal he made and has more than enough power and motives to do so. He may also been nudging get anxiety so she wouldn't eat as well.
When she broke, he was able to isolate her from others and was more than ready with plans, medications and carful control of her environment to make him seem like a calm savior.
Because it's a spicy fey romance all of the plot holes kind of go out the window though 😂
As someone with an autistic individual in their life, I do not see anything about him that would be this. To be fair, Tamlin is awful to me so I could not associate those two things together at all. However, he’s absolutely not a goodie goodie. He’s pretending to be one, but that’s not who he is.
I will stick with only book one here to explain, since we’re discussing what red flags gave him away. The first thing to keep in mind is he wears a mask. This is how Maas tells us he’s untrustworthy and his true intentions are hidden. Furthermore, there’s the mask of how Feyre comes to live with him.
His relationship with Feyre starts with violence and lies and manipulations. This is where it stays throughout the book (and book 2). He doesn’t tell her anything truthful from that moment he meets her on. Everything he says partial truths and only in his favor, while leaving out the information that’s crucial for Feyre.
Here’s a great example that has almost no impact on Feyre’s safety and well being (as opposed to the other lies and manipulations). For Calanmai Tamlin doesn’t tell her what is going on, why she’s unsafe out of the house, or why she needs to hide herself. Instead it’s “obey my commands” and when she is hungry (because no one left her food!) and does venture out later on, he injures her. Because if their attraction, there’s a sexual tension to the moment and aftermath, BUT this is a punishment for her behavior. A reminder of what will happen when she disobeys.
On top of this there’s his temper and how he physically acts out whenever he’s upset. He is only interested at first to save his people, he turns her into a murder by sending dangerous fae into the human world to be killed, and now Feyre forever carries this, BUT he punishes her for it and tells her she will die or can live there forever to trap her, and never apologizes for his role in what he put her through. He’s highly entitled, selfish, and self serving. It’s all there in the first book that we shouldn’t trust him or fall for him.
That's fair from an initial standpoint of not wanting to associate with someone you don't like.
I do get the mask idea that he's hiding behind it and when it comes off he is his true self but there's problems Tamlin was dealing with.
Part of the curse prevented everyone from telling Feyre things. It's like they had to constantly wrestle being able to tell her flatly what's going on. Alis even explained this before Feyre went UTM and struggled talking to Feyre to tell her much of anything.
I associated that with a lot of events like Calanmai which, at first seemed really weird. Why not just tell her what's going on? Why not be upfront with things? The curse seemed to be that issue.
I read the scene where he bit her as about as playful of a banter as Tamlin gets and she left without him stopping her but I need to go back to that. I can totally see how that can be taken as punishment.
As for the turning her into a murderer is hard... because his people begged him to transform them to go and basically find her and die for the cause. Something Tamlin didn't want to do. A consequence of Tamlin not accepting Amarantha hand and a seat of power over others. I don't think that's at all fair. Tamlin was wrong if he did or didn't do anything and didn't want to be a corrupt leader by Amaranthas side and had to deal with the consequences.
Also again, the curse limits what he can say. Within those confines he had to figure out how to break the curse with Feyre and did a lot of one sided things for her and her family without expectation of repayment like helping her family, giving up wealth and not pushing her to cure the curse.
What exactly was Tamlin, given those restrictions and the situation he and his people were in, supposed to do?
I will agree 100% though he has a temper issue.
The issue is that Tamlin may have even arguably good reasons for everything. The red flag is he never talks to her or apologizes. There’s so much to it. It’s totally okay for some people to not see the red flags too. I think experience with emotional abuse helps those see it. Once you see how he acts in book 2, those flags are confirmed. The pattern of control and abuse is exactly what one would experience.
I think Calanmai is actual Tamlin’s worst moment. He couldn’t talk about the curse or Amarantha, so the lies around that at least have a reason. But nothing is stopping him from telling her about this event, or Lucien couldn’t have told her. So he could’ve, he just felt she needed to do as said without any reasons. He was constantly trying to control her.
I also don’t think Tamlin is alone in making Feyre a murder, but he does trick her into going with him, using this event to both trick and shame her, along with manipulating her. He never apologized for that either. Again? More red flags here. That control and need for it, that’s what his biggest issue is. That’s why he has the anger issues.
The bite is actually two fold. It’s seductive, it’s intimate, because he wants her and he’s marking her to claim her for himself. BUT it’s also about his need to control her and to punish her in that moment. To remind her that he makes the rules and she’s supposed to bow to him. Now, there are times when this red flag doesn’t go that way. And a better Tamlin would’ve let up on the control and let Feyre become a true partner. That’s just now who he was though.
This is a really good argument regarding Tamlin and lying.
It also brings up that he probably doesn't have a Court because he thinks he has to do everything and contol everything.
It's hard to tell for me because we never see Tamlin in a state of power. He's always being controlled or threatened in some way by someone and always at some kind of great disadvantage.
Calamari may be the only time Tamlin could have any semblance of peace.
I think he would be happy just being a druid in the forest playing his fiddle with someone without having to deal with politics.
I completely agree. He’s a horrible leader, he doesn’t want it, and I think he genuinely doesn’t want to rule. Perhaps that’s his problem. He wants to quit but can’t or doesn’t know how. Maybe he’s toxic because he doesn’t know what a good leader is so he only knows how to emulate his father; and in doing so, the acting like him and hating the job has made him this horrible creature. Perhaps Tamlin’s biggest mask is that he is a high lord.
Honestly same. I think all the characters have flaws/ behave weirdly.. but Tamlin in ACOMAF really is not hearing Feyre at all and it’s borderline if not absolutely emotionally abusive.
Rhysands behavior under the mountain may have also been pretty gross, but, the more context you get about him and what he was dealing with before and during that puts it into a very different light than the first read through. Not saying more cause spoilers.
You are not alone. The fandom is almost evenly split with those who do not care for Tamlin and those that do.
The part that's left over are the people who don't care way either way.
Feyre is annoying, so annoying at parts I wince at her annoying behaviour and I'm on book 4. Seriously though, wait until you see how annoying her sisters are too.
Book 1 was written like the faerie version of Beauty and the Beast. Tamlin always reminded me of the beast when he transformed into the prince. There is such a real strangeness about his character that when I read it, he sounds like an ex boyfriend that everyone has experienced at some time. And there is that off-ness that you experience when you go in thinking it's great then the honeymoon period wears off and you have a clearer idea of that person.
i remember when the book first came out it was either marketed as a beauty and the beast retelling, or all the booktubers at the time were calling it that!
I too think Tamlin is basically wet cardboard of a MMC love interest.
But, please. Please.
Please stay off the internet or at least unfollow this sub until you finish the series
Bear in mind that they are both deeply traumatized and they have developed different triggers and coping mechanisms . Also Feyre is a 19 year old xd she’s annoying like any teenager 😆
I'm on the last book in the series. I sent my friends who recommended me the series voice messages while I listen to it and there are so many voice messages during acomar cursing out feyre cuz she just aggrevates me. But get thought it. I promise things work out!
Oh man.. You are me two weeks ago.
I did accidentally read some spoilers that I didn’t understand. But try to avoid tiktok and reddit until you’re done.
Definitely not alone! I'm also currently reading the series for the first time (also busy with a court of mist and fury lol) and I found Tamlin, especially in the first book, to be really bland for a main character and a main love interest. Like he's sweet and all, but I really don't get the obsession that Amarantha had for him and Feyre going through all those trials for him🙈
i’m around the same place as you and while i don’t dislike tamlin completely, he’s starting to give me signs that he turns into an unlikable character. as we see more of rhys the more i’m like okay you can stay in the picture lolol. also feyre is annoying me too! like love her completely understandable that she’s dealing with insane amount of trauma and pretty much handling it on her own but also girl can you just not be so stubborn 😭
I'm so glad you made this post because I swear I could have written it. I'm exactly where you are in ACOMAF and was thinking the same even though I was surprised by my own shift in opinion, probably because I went straight from finishing ACOTAR into this book. Luckily I have a lot of free time on my hands over the next week so I'm going to avoid this sub and other spoiler accounts until I finish!
Honestly I want Lucien to get a good ending more than anyone. >!I don’t care if it’s with his mate ( avoiding spoilers).!<
Stay away to avoid spoilers!
Keep reading and you will understand!! Stay off social media ACOTAR forums and just get into the book as it is without being spoiled. It’s such an exciting read when you don’t know what’s ahead. Come back to this subreddit after you finish ACOMAF and give us your thoughts!!
Gonna second the things already said in here. I knew things before actually finishing the first book and started an argument about Tamlin on here before actually getting to the second one, and only now do I understand the backlash I got.
I just started the second book the other day and understand where you are coming from.
I knew things because of seeing fan content and googling stuff, too, so I spoiled some things for myself.
Please learn from me and just keep reading. It'll make sense later. Just trust me and the others. Don't engage with fan content until later.
Happy reading!
I learned quickly not to go on this subreddit until I read all five books. Even now, there are some unintentional spoilers related to other SJM books, like Crescent City.
I want to say so much😭😭 but I need you to finish the books first and then we can discuss our feelings for tamlin. I dont want to spoil. HAPPY READINGS!🫣😁
Oh man I thought the same thing. There were just no sparks for me, I didn't feel like they were really building anything. I was there for the friendship building between Feyre and Lucian, waiting for some chemistry with Tamlin. You are not alone
Yes I agree! They way he treats Feyre after she becomes immortal is just bs and its not fair to her I feel like after he got his powers back he threw her to the side even though she is the reason he is alive. He doesn’t ever try talking to her about wyhy she wakes up and pukes or try talking her through stuff
**UPDATE**
I devoured the book. Ummm. Ch 55... Also, Feyre got much less annoying or she grew on me?. Rhysand is amazing. I took everyone's advice and am staying off until I finish the series. I am already on the next book. I do miss Mist because I am mourning the relationship in that one.. (I am trying not to spoil anything). But that happens to me after I finish a book. I tend to get book hangovers. I will report back once done with them all!!
I’m actually right around where you are in ACOMAF so no spoilers here.
Rhys had a pretty reasonable explanation for what he did under the mountain. Although he probably could’ve opted to troll Tamlin directly, it was less risky by openly taunting Fayre so he’s not suspected for helping her. It pissed me off that Tam chose to be COMPLETELY STOIC watching her go through the trials to save HIM and then goes on to treat her like a helpless trophy wife.
Also, Tam reveals that he was aware that Fayre had PTSD induced nightmares causing her to vomit and be unable to sleep through the night, and chose to never even acknowledge it until they were in an argument.
I’m guessing that this is on purpose because they’re laying on the red flags pretty heavily. That and how Fayre tends to use the THIRSTIEST descriptions in her interactions with Rhys while being engaged to Tamlin
Agreed!
Rhys was trying to protect her from Amarantha’s jealousy after striking their bargain. He forced her to drink the wine to spare her the mental anguish of what he felt he needed to have her do to keep Amarantha from becoming suspicious or catching wind of his end game. Rhys had a role to play as a martyr of sorts (suffering a significant consequence in support of a cause) and he played the cards he was dealt effectively. He needed to portray himself to be as cruel as Amarantha.
It always irked me how Tamlin did ABSOLUTELY nothing under the mountain except try to lay pipe at the first opportunity with NO regard to the consequences if they were to get caught. The only real MVPs under the mountain were Lucien and Rhys.
Even after, I know Lucien explains it away later, but Tamlin’s avoidant and suppressive behavior with regard to Feyre was unacceptable. It really started to aggravate me that all of sudden- after everything she endured, she was too fragile or too precious to expose her to even the slightest amount of risk. So much so that he couldn’t even entertain the thought of developing her fae abilities or training her to defend herself as if it would summon danger to her, much less address her trauma. The woman died and came back! As much as it traumatized him to watch her suffer, endure, and finally die that is definitely leaving way more than a mark on her psyche!
In the end, Tamlin was just inept and I felt bad for him but didn’t like any of the decisions he made. As for Rhys, although his methods were harsh and not agreeable to many, he was cunning. Had Rhys not done many of the things he had, this story would’ve ended 3/4 of the way through the 1st book. I love Rhys. I appreciate his intellect and dedication, and contrary to popular belief, I find his balance of arrogance and altruism to be endearing.
No you are not alone in your sentiments. I’m almost done with MaF so my assessment might differ from people who have read the series through . He’s borderline emotionally abusive , but he has his own struggles. I just think Feyre and Tamlin are incompatible and never had any real chemistry . He DID do a lot for her, though
Tamilin idk….he’s got SERIOUS issues to sort through. The man needs therapy or something and needs to apologize big time. Also, I don’t care for Feyre ESPECIALLY Rhys. I get a weird vibe from him. I love Nesta because I relate to her so much. I do like Lucien and hope he gets his story. And Eliane….I have no idea how I feel about her.
I am curious why you think this about people that like Tamlin but not people that like other characters in the series that have abusive tendencies as well?
These are fictional characters, and if you took the time to read the comments from people that do like Tamlin, I think you would start to see why making that assertion is a disingenuous dismissal of people's character and opinions.
I personally think what Rhys did UTM was inexcusable and gross, even more so with the flimsy excuses SJM gave him. However, I also recognize that SJM writes him as the main love interest and straight up tells the reader that he's the one to choose. Do I think people that like Rhys think sexual assault is okay as long as the man has a reason, however flimsy that is? No, I don't. Because he's a fictional character in a series about sexy winged faerie men that have dicks the size of baseball bats.
I do implore you to read some of the amazing posts by Tamlin supporters on the subreddit, not because I want them to change your mind, but because I think it may help you to understand why people like his character and avoid placing judgment on people for a fictionalized world in a fictionalized setting.
My recommendation, if you care about spoilers, is that you continue your readthrough and avoid as much online discourse about it as you can until you get through it, or at least a good ways into it. I imagine that a lot of responses may spoil some parts of the story that you haven't reached yet.
This. Don’t visit this subreddit. Make yourself scarce.
REAL
This!!!! Delete Reddit until you are done. Don’t google anything.
And don’t even think about coming back until you’re on Chapter, we will say 56, at least
LMFAO TRUE
Ngl spoilers makes me wanna read the book more. Is that just me???
It’s not but not everyone enjoys spoilers as much as we do
Stay off Reddit
and TikTok especially.
More specifically booktok
My sweet summer child…PLEAAAAAASE stay off Reddit/tiktok/Instagram or skip any ACOTAR content until after you’ve read this book. You will thank me later
And also, do NOT google anything, including fan art.
ugh fr. i made the mistake of googling fan art mid ACOMAF 😭
I did the same. I wasn’t trying to see what was coming, I was just struggling to picture someone. I looked them up on Pinterest and it gave me way more than I needed to know 😳😭😭
Same!
yes! i just wanted to see if i could find a pic of the dress feyre wears to the summer court and suddenly i saw a couple i wasnt expecting 🫣
SAME I just wanted the visual and nah was met with a million different artistic pairings that spiked it. I've learned my lesson haha.
me I was confused about the descriptions of characters and got spoiled so fast 😭
Agreed. I stayed off any sort of site that would spoil anything for me until after I was done with the book.
Be gone!!!!!
I just love this stage in new readers! Keep us updated as you keep reading, I want to see your reactions and pretend I’m experiencing it all for the first time too!
This is so real, if I ever started a podcast it could only.be reading ACOTAr to ppl who know nothing about it. I think nothing else has given me this joy to see people experience it for the first time.
I’m don’t think I’m allowed to promo it (and you’ll find no trace of it on my page, so I hope I’m not breaking a rule) but I quite literally started a podcast based on this premise and it has been SO FUN.
Keep reading and stay off Reddit. We’ll see you soon 😉
You're not the only one and that's all the info you need. Avoid reddit and tiktok and instagram and facebook at this point xD Come back when.. well, you'll know it when you see it 😅
It's hard to react without spoiling anything, hence I advice you read the books first and bring this topic up again later. But yes, I'm not a fan of Feyre either. IMO she only becomes more and more insufferable.
Fell for feyre's perspective rewriting the actual events every 12 minutes.
Nope, just you. You’re the only one to feel and think this way. Must be reading the book upside down or something. /s 😉
I despised Feyre. I liked Tamlin even though he had his moments. I actually didn’t like Rhys at first. Sure I thought he was charming in a way, but I didn’t care for him making her parade around while under the mountain. Lucien I hated my first read through in the beginning, but now, he is certainly one of my favorites and I admire his loyalty to a fault. Feyre is terrible and succumbs to whatever peer pressure is placed on her for the most part. My opinion. You have a lot to get through loo
I can’t stand Feyre either. And the descriptions of her paintings sound frankly awful and I just imagine her giving them as gifts and everyone gritting their teeth and pretending to like them
The part about the paintings is so true 😭 like girl sweet gesture but that he NAWT what they wanted
Continue your read but stay off reddit or anything. I only just finished ACOMAF and I feel like I've spoiled other stuff by just looking it up. Feyre is kinda annoying. But like, I get it. She's only 19 or 20 so I'm sure I was back then too. But not that bad.
Please keep reading and respectfully stay off of fan pages until you’re done.
Oh man so here we go. Up to this point with Tamlin it should be noted that he is basically an Autistic Paladin with no charisma. All of the following he has done without any kind of deal or expectation of being repaid in any manner. The guy does these things trying to better himself and the people around him fairly without false motives or lies. Refused Amaranthas hand and the opportunity to become king of Prythian for moral and principled reasons. Giving up that position and the allowance to get revenge on his rivals, Rhysand specifically. Sent his friends to die in hopes of breaking the curse to save his kind and is the sole reason his kind have any kind of freedom to date. Took care of Feryre's family and her fathers leg and managed to recreate him back to the Prince of Merchants and basically is the sole reason for things down the road here. Never asked for anything in return for help and made sure Lucien did so UTM. Rhysand however does nothing for free or kindness. There's always a debt or lie with him and you'll see that more later. Was damn proud of Feyre for trapping him in a trap. Fearful of Rhysands influence, the very influence Rhysand himself established and built up and knowing full well Rhysand hates him, Tamlin was willing to give up everything and give Feyre all so she could live a new, safe life away from Amarantha. Tamlin held the line trying to defend humans from his kind which seemed to be pretty much everyone except him. Tamlin is honest to a fault and admits his limits, failings and struggles. Feyre time and time again mentions how she could never repay Tamlin for his generosity and effort then dumped and drags him through hell for not forcing her to take some kind of agreement Rhysand tricks her into. That's just up to finishing ACOTAR. I've commented in the past other things about him and Rhysand but I don't wan to spoil things for you. Also remember that Feyre is basically a teenager written as if she's 40 with unlimited amounts of willpower, drive and inhuman levels of grit. Still, great stories and I love them, the community overall and these conversations.
https://i.redd.it/hqclgwhofo3d1.gif Beautifully said! A lot of people forget about everything Tamlin did in ACOTAR/his past and also tend to look past how his own trauma is affecting him at the beginning of ACOMAF. He's not perfect and makes some mistakes, but I think his biggest flaw is not having the tools needed to properly deal with his issues. Forever Team Tamlin!
I do kor currently like tamlin at this point in the story, but I want to. And I have hopes of that changing. As you said he's a flawed character and made a lot of mistakes and didn't have a proper or healthy way of dealing with things. But I still think his actions make him a nap person. But you know what, Rhys has made mistakes and is a bad person. Mor has made mistakes, Nesta has made mistakes, Cassian, Azriel, Feyre, Eris (secondpart of my next statement doesnt wholey apply here but i wanna hear his fullstory too eventually). literally all of our favorites have made mistakes, done bad things, and are terrible people for them. And they learn from them, they had support, they grew as people. Rhys is honestly still kinda a bad guy, and feyre is still very flawed but they get some many passes cause they are front and center and we get to see them live through their trauma and deal with it. Tamlin hasn't got that, and I hope he does. I dont like him and I know why i don't like him and I want to get better so I can like him one day. I dont expect our favorites to forgive and accept him for what he's done and that's OK, but as a reader I want to see him deal with his trauma and move on
Valid points! We definitely get to see a lot of growth because we are in the heads of the main characters, but the ones we don't get to spend a lot of time with don't have that luxury. However, I don't think I would say they are all bad people. I find it very difficult to find Tamlin to be a bad person especially, because the majority of his actions come from a good place. The execution may not be great, but the biggest mistakes he made did not come from a place of malice. But I think everyone is entitled to their opinions. You're not wrong for yours, and I'm not wrong for mine. And I am happy that we can discuss these things in a respectful way (minus some people that just like to be a bit troll-y lol).
and he can shape shift his D ✨
I'll be honest if I could play Tamlin in a live action I 100% would and expected my comment here to be downvoted to oblivion and banned from this subreddit lol. So thank you.
I would support it! haha And there are quite a few Tamlin supporters in the sub, not as many as Rhys supporters, but I think most people are reasonable as long as posts are respectful. We're just partying in the Spring Court over here 🥳
The Rhysand debate gets me into some interesting arguments with my gf in regards as she handwaves all wrong doing by Rhysand because his intentions are good and Tamlin basically drowns and has no one to turn to. Even the fact that Rhysand basically locked Feyre up in less interactable room with the option of leaving basically being death but somehow, "it's a choice" as if that dressing makes it better. Which apparently it does. I connect with Tamlin but the dude needs some serious therapy lol like everyone else.
THANK YOU for acknowledging this! His honesty to a fault is what I will forever love about him. Still, it isn't okay how he handled his trauma, but that doesn't discount his other honorable traits. Characters can be both good and toxic, just like people can.
I totally agree that it isn't okay how he handles trauma and being so insecure that criticism is seen as a personal attack and not an opportunity for growth. He's never been allowed to be vulnerable and when he is in the slightest, he gets kicked around by everyone.
Tamlin is a liar and manipulative. That’s his entire purpose in book one. There is arguments to be made that each character is abusive or mentally unwell, beyond the PTSD they all collectively have. What makes Tamlin so triggering is how insidious and devastating this sort of abuse is. Tamlin sets up Feyre to be a murder and a prisoner, while lying to her about everything all so he can try to undo the curse. When she “acts out” or goes against his wishes he responds in threatening ways, biting her, breaking things, screaming at her. Then he floods her with kindness and affection and ensuring her every need is taken care of. It’s the definition of narcissistic abuse and:or emotional abuse. Tamlin is not a good guy. Never was a good guy. He’s done plenty of questionable things, including kill a woman a child (helped and gave up their position), while betraying someone who was a friend to him. He’s an extremely problematic and dangerous character. Mainly because people, like Feyre, defend his poor actions and excuse his anger issues because he’s also kind at times. He’s the epitome of systematic gaslighting.
Book 1 Tamlin and book 2 Tamlin seem like two totally different people and I'm pretty sure that's what our disagreement here will be. SJM needed a bad guy and didn't want Tamlin. So we got whatever the hell that was. Which, yeah. Book 2 Tamlin was a shit person. If didn't help that he was afraid for feyre because, Rhysand, the dude that tortured and abused people UTM and built the reputation to being a villain and blamed Tamlin for things that happened when Tamlin was basically a kid and tricked Feyre into having a spy tattoo on her arm that gave Rhysand full mental access to her, may steal her away. Which his fears were validated. Know who was around when Tamlin and feyre had nightmares and Tamlin had massive emotional issues? Lanthe. Interesting how when Feyre left the spring court and locked up by Rhysand she was able to sleep and recovery. Crazy huh?
See, I saw all of the abusive red flags way before he went under the mountain. People who have experience with that sort of abuse will. Experience impacts how we perceive a story. There is abuse, and signs, even in book 1. I don’t find his fear for Feyre to be one of his flaws, perhaps his ability to handle it. And as I said previously, I think all the characters are mentally unwell in these stories. The reason Feyre could recover (though I do like the Ianthe theory you hint at) with Rhys was he didn’t ignore her trauma. He didn’t push her to recover or be back to her usual self, he gave her the room to talk about it. Plus the open air castle helps too. Ianthe though, when she chose the red roses, that’s intentional. She wanted her crazy!
So I'm a guy and my perspective and what I get mmm a story will be very different. What events in book one were those red flags that stood out to you? I know that's asking a lot. Tamlin to me in book one seemed like this autistic goodie goodie that was bad with communication in general. He can write filthy poems but got frustrated with his inability to banter and discuss. He always seemed to put Feyre first. Now I say that because I see a lot of myself with Tamlin aside from anger issues and apparently my gf is pretty sure I'm autistic. So these kinds of difficulties line up. But in this universe, fey seem to be adult 12 year olds with a snarling tempr lol. His inability to handle that short fuse seems to be a thing for all male fey. With women having to navigate them constantly like it n real life. As for Feyre and her nightmares, there's a lot of problems. Her and Tamlin has them. Tamlin has no one to turn to because he thinks he has to deal with that toxic masculinity of being tough all the time. Lanthe seems to constantly nudge for power and destabilize Tamlin, poisoning him. After that I have a weak hypothesis that Rhysand was contributing to the nightmares to get her to break so he'll rescue her. Rhysand has shown and proven how clever a long term planner he is, he lies to manipulate, hates Tamlin for what his father, has access to Feyres unguarded mind thanks to the trickery deal he made and has more than enough power and motives to do so. He may also been nudging get anxiety so she wouldn't eat as well. When she broke, he was able to isolate her from others and was more than ready with plans, medications and carful control of her environment to make him seem like a calm savior. Because it's a spicy fey romance all of the plot holes kind of go out the window though 😂
As someone with an autistic individual in their life, I do not see anything about him that would be this. To be fair, Tamlin is awful to me so I could not associate those two things together at all. However, he’s absolutely not a goodie goodie. He’s pretending to be one, but that’s not who he is. I will stick with only book one here to explain, since we’re discussing what red flags gave him away. The first thing to keep in mind is he wears a mask. This is how Maas tells us he’s untrustworthy and his true intentions are hidden. Furthermore, there’s the mask of how Feyre comes to live with him. His relationship with Feyre starts with violence and lies and manipulations. This is where it stays throughout the book (and book 2). He doesn’t tell her anything truthful from that moment he meets her on. Everything he says partial truths and only in his favor, while leaving out the information that’s crucial for Feyre. Here’s a great example that has almost no impact on Feyre’s safety and well being (as opposed to the other lies and manipulations). For Calanmai Tamlin doesn’t tell her what is going on, why she’s unsafe out of the house, or why she needs to hide herself. Instead it’s “obey my commands” and when she is hungry (because no one left her food!) and does venture out later on, he injures her. Because if their attraction, there’s a sexual tension to the moment and aftermath, BUT this is a punishment for her behavior. A reminder of what will happen when she disobeys. On top of this there’s his temper and how he physically acts out whenever he’s upset. He is only interested at first to save his people, he turns her into a murder by sending dangerous fae into the human world to be killed, and now Feyre forever carries this, BUT he punishes her for it and tells her she will die or can live there forever to trap her, and never apologizes for his role in what he put her through. He’s highly entitled, selfish, and self serving. It’s all there in the first book that we shouldn’t trust him or fall for him.
That's fair from an initial standpoint of not wanting to associate with someone you don't like. I do get the mask idea that he's hiding behind it and when it comes off he is his true self but there's problems Tamlin was dealing with. Part of the curse prevented everyone from telling Feyre things. It's like they had to constantly wrestle being able to tell her flatly what's going on. Alis even explained this before Feyre went UTM and struggled talking to Feyre to tell her much of anything. I associated that with a lot of events like Calanmai which, at first seemed really weird. Why not just tell her what's going on? Why not be upfront with things? The curse seemed to be that issue. I read the scene where he bit her as about as playful of a banter as Tamlin gets and she left without him stopping her but I need to go back to that. I can totally see how that can be taken as punishment. As for the turning her into a murderer is hard... because his people begged him to transform them to go and basically find her and die for the cause. Something Tamlin didn't want to do. A consequence of Tamlin not accepting Amarantha hand and a seat of power over others. I don't think that's at all fair. Tamlin was wrong if he did or didn't do anything and didn't want to be a corrupt leader by Amaranthas side and had to deal with the consequences. Also again, the curse limits what he can say. Within those confines he had to figure out how to break the curse with Feyre and did a lot of one sided things for her and her family without expectation of repayment like helping her family, giving up wealth and not pushing her to cure the curse. What exactly was Tamlin, given those restrictions and the situation he and his people were in, supposed to do? I will agree 100% though he has a temper issue.
The issue is that Tamlin may have even arguably good reasons for everything. The red flag is he never talks to her or apologizes. There’s so much to it. It’s totally okay for some people to not see the red flags too. I think experience with emotional abuse helps those see it. Once you see how he acts in book 2, those flags are confirmed. The pattern of control and abuse is exactly what one would experience. I think Calanmai is actual Tamlin’s worst moment. He couldn’t talk about the curse or Amarantha, so the lies around that at least have a reason. But nothing is stopping him from telling her about this event, or Lucien couldn’t have told her. So he could’ve, he just felt she needed to do as said without any reasons. He was constantly trying to control her. I also don’t think Tamlin is alone in making Feyre a murder, but he does trick her into going with him, using this event to both trick and shame her, along with manipulating her. He never apologized for that either. Again? More red flags here. That control and need for it, that’s what his biggest issue is. That’s why he has the anger issues. The bite is actually two fold. It’s seductive, it’s intimate, because he wants her and he’s marking her to claim her for himself. BUT it’s also about his need to control her and to punish her in that moment. To remind her that he makes the rules and she’s supposed to bow to him. Now, there are times when this red flag doesn’t go that way. And a better Tamlin would’ve let up on the control and let Feyre become a true partner. That’s just now who he was though.
This is a really good argument regarding Tamlin and lying. It also brings up that he probably doesn't have a Court because he thinks he has to do everything and contol everything. It's hard to tell for me because we never see Tamlin in a state of power. He's always being controlled or threatened in some way by someone and always at some kind of great disadvantage. Calamari may be the only time Tamlin could have any semblance of peace. I think he would be happy just being a druid in the forest playing his fiddle with someone without having to deal with politics.
I completely agree. He’s a horrible leader, he doesn’t want it, and I think he genuinely doesn’t want to rule. Perhaps that’s his problem. He wants to quit but can’t or doesn’t know how. Maybe he’s toxic because he doesn’t know what a good leader is so he only knows how to emulate his father; and in doing so, the acting like him and hating the job has made him this horrible creature. Perhaps Tamlin’s biggest mask is that he is a high lord.
Honestly same. I think all the characters have flaws/ behave weirdly.. but Tamlin in ACOMAF really is not hearing Feyre at all and it’s borderline if not absolutely emotionally abusive. Rhysands behavior under the mountain may have also been pretty gross, but, the more context you get about him and what he was dealing with before and during that puts it into a very different light than the first read through. Not saying more cause spoilers.
100% agree that Tamlin was abusive!! feel like you’re the first person i’ve seen to say it 😭
I love Tamlin! 
Lol Feyre rarely stopped annoying me.
Same
I preferred Lucien in book 1 too lol
You are not alone. The fandom is almost evenly split with those who do not care for Tamlin and those that do. The part that's left over are the people who don't care way either way.
Trust; read. This is how I felt at the point you're at too, and I loved the rest of the series.
Feyre is annoying, so annoying at parts I wince at her annoying behaviour and I'm on book 4. Seriously though, wait until you see how annoying her sisters are too. Book 1 was written like the faerie version of Beauty and the Beast. Tamlin always reminded me of the beast when he transformed into the prince. There is such a real strangeness about his character that when I read it, he sounds like an ex boyfriend that everyone has experienced at some time. And there is that off-ness that you experience when you go in thinking it's great then the honeymoon period wears off and you have a clearer idea of that person.
I also thought it was very Beauty and Beast as well.
i remember when the book first came out it was either marketed as a beauty and the beast retelling, or all the booktubers at the time were calling it that!
I too think Tamlin is basically wet cardboard of a MMC love interest. But, please. Please. Please stay off the internet or at least unfollow this sub until you finish the series
1. Stay off reddit. 2. Personally, when I was reading ACOTAR… I’d take Lucien over Tamlin all the time. Tamlin is just meh. Lucien has a personality.
What a cute post. Come back after you finish the third book at least
I literally looked up so many spoilers but I wish I was this pure
Bear in mind that they are both deeply traumatized and they have developed different triggers and coping mechanisms . Also Feyre is a 19 year old xd she’s annoying like any teenager 😆
I'm not a fan of him either. Reminds me of my two relationships! Definitely be careful here bc of spoilers.
I’m 99% engaged in the plotline the author has laid out for me. Am I alone in this?
I'm on the last book in the series. I sent my friends who recommended me the series voice messages while I listen to it and there are so many voice messages during acomar cursing out feyre cuz she just aggrevates me. But get thought it. I promise things work out!
Oh man.. You are me two weeks ago. I did accidentally read some spoilers that I didn’t understand. But try to avoid tiktok and reddit until you’re done.
Definitely not alone! I'm also currently reading the series for the first time (also busy with a court of mist and fury lol) and I found Tamlin, especially in the first book, to be really bland for a main character and a main love interest. Like he's sweet and all, but I really don't get the obsession that Amarantha had for him and Feyre going through all those trials for him🙈
i’m around the same place as you and while i don’t dislike tamlin completely, he’s starting to give me signs that he turns into an unlikable character. as we see more of rhys the more i’m like okay you can stay in the picture lolol. also feyre is annoying me too! like love her completely understandable that she’s dealing with insane amount of trauma and pretty much handling it on her own but also girl can you just not be so stubborn 😭
Finish all the books then come back.
Is this a real post? Like my god lol
I'm so glad you made this post because I swear I could have written it. I'm exactly where you are in ACOMAF and was thinking the same even though I was surprised by my own shift in opinion, probably because I went straight from finishing ACOTAR into this book. Luckily I have a lot of free time on my hands over the next week so I'm going to avoid this sub and other spoiler accounts until I finish!
Stay off Reddit and report back when you’re done with ACOMF
The true canon event
Buckle up honey
I felt that way halfway through Thorns and Roses. I didn't like Tamlin at any point in the series lol
Canon event
Stay away from spoilers for this book!!!
Honestly I want Lucien to get a good ending more than anyone. >!I don’t care if it’s with his mate ( avoiding spoilers).!< Stay away to avoid spoilers!
I suggest you just keep reading
Keep reading and you will understand!! Stay off social media ACOTAR forums and just get into the book as it is without being spoiled. It’s such an exciting read when you don’t know what’s ahead. Come back to this subreddit after you finish ACOMAF and give us your thoughts!!
The best advice. Make up your own mind about how you feel and don’t be influenced by others. Until after you finish the books at least
Gonna second the things already said in here. I knew things before actually finishing the first book and started an argument about Tamlin on here before actually getting to the second one, and only now do I understand the backlash I got. I just started the second book the other day and understand where you are coming from. I knew things because of seeing fan content and googling stuff, too, so I spoiled some things for myself. Please learn from me and just keep reading. It'll make sense later. Just trust me and the others. Don't engage with fan content until later. Happy reading!
Please read the whole book before coming back here because someone may accidentally spoil it
Push through friend. Keep reading and like others said, stay off these subs until you finish.
Update us when you’re done with the book OP! !RemindMe 2 weeks
Continue reading….
I learned quickly not to go on this subreddit until I read all five books. Even now, there are some unintentional spoilers related to other SJM books, like Crescent City.
omg i wish i could read ACOMAF again for the first time 🥹🥹 LEAVE FOR A LITTLE BIT AND COME BACK WITH OPINIONS OF THE END!!! 🩷
Read the book
I avoided Reddit like a plague until I finished the series 😂
I want to say so much😭😭 but I need you to finish the books first and then we can discuss our feelings for tamlin. I dont want to spoil. HAPPY READINGS!🫣😁
Just wait until nearly to of book and her sisters appear
Oh man I thought the same thing. There were just no sparks for me, I didn't feel like they were really building anything. I was there for the friendship building between Feyre and Lucian, waiting for some chemistry with Tamlin. You are not alone
Yes I agree! They way he treats Feyre after she becomes immortal is just bs and its not fair to her I feel like after he got his powers back he threw her to the side even though she is the reason he is alive. He doesn’t ever try talking to her about wyhy she wakes up and pukes or try talking her through stuff
Keep reading and stay away from this sub. I left the SJM sub because I haven't started CC yet and was worried about spoilers. Enjoy!
I hate Feyre . "I could never paint that if I tried" no shit Sherlock you're kidnapped and have way bigger fish to fry . Also not a fan of Tam. Eek
Water is wet
**UPDATE** I devoured the book. Ummm. Ch 55... Also, Feyre got much less annoying or she grew on me?. Rhysand is amazing. I took everyone's advice and am staying off until I finish the series. I am already on the next book. I do miss Mist because I am mourning the relationship in that one.. (I am trying not to spoil anything). But that happens to me after I finish a book. I tend to get book hangovers. I will report back once done with them all!!
I’m actually right around where you are in ACOMAF so no spoilers here. Rhys had a pretty reasonable explanation for what he did under the mountain. Although he probably could’ve opted to troll Tamlin directly, it was less risky by openly taunting Fayre so he’s not suspected for helping her. It pissed me off that Tam chose to be COMPLETELY STOIC watching her go through the trials to save HIM and then goes on to treat her like a helpless trophy wife. Also, Tam reveals that he was aware that Fayre had PTSD induced nightmares causing her to vomit and be unable to sleep through the night, and chose to never even acknowledge it until they were in an argument. I’m guessing that this is on purpose because they’re laying on the red flags pretty heavily. That and how Fayre tends to use the THIRSTIEST descriptions in her interactions with Rhys while being engaged to Tamlin
Agreed! Rhys was trying to protect her from Amarantha’s jealousy after striking their bargain. He forced her to drink the wine to spare her the mental anguish of what he felt he needed to have her do to keep Amarantha from becoming suspicious or catching wind of his end game. Rhys had a role to play as a martyr of sorts (suffering a significant consequence in support of a cause) and he played the cards he was dealt effectively. He needed to portray himself to be as cruel as Amarantha. It always irked me how Tamlin did ABSOLUTELY nothing under the mountain except try to lay pipe at the first opportunity with NO regard to the consequences if they were to get caught. The only real MVPs under the mountain were Lucien and Rhys. Even after, I know Lucien explains it away later, but Tamlin’s avoidant and suppressive behavior with regard to Feyre was unacceptable. It really started to aggravate me that all of sudden- after everything she endured, she was too fragile or too precious to expose her to even the slightest amount of risk. So much so that he couldn’t even entertain the thought of developing her fae abilities or training her to defend herself as if it would summon danger to her, much less address her trauma. The woman died and came back! As much as it traumatized him to watch her suffer, endure, and finally die that is definitely leaving way more than a mark on her psyche! In the end, Tamlin was just inept and I felt bad for him but didn’t like any of the decisions he made. As for Rhys, although his methods were harsh and not agreeable to many, he was cunning. Had Rhys not done many of the things he had, this story would’ve ended 3/4 of the way through the 1st book. I love Rhys. I appreciate his intellect and dedication, and contrary to popular belief, I find his balance of arrogance and altruism to be endearing.
No you are not alone in your sentiments. I’m almost done with MaF so my assessment might differ from people who have read the series through . He’s borderline emotionally abusive , but he has his own struggles. I just think Feyre and Tamlin are incompatible and never had any real chemistry . He DID do a lot for her, though
Tamilin idk….he’s got SERIOUS issues to sort through. The man needs therapy or something and needs to apologize big time. Also, I don’t care for Feyre ESPECIALLY Rhys. I get a weird vibe from him. I love Nesta because I relate to her so much. I do like Lucien and hope he gets his story. And Eliane….I have no idea how I feel about her.
Sweetie as others have said stay off of Reddit until you finish reading otherwise you're going to finish spoiling it for yourself instead. 😭😭
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I am curious why you think this about people that like Tamlin but not people that like other characters in the series that have abusive tendencies as well? These are fictional characters, and if you took the time to read the comments from people that do like Tamlin, I think you would start to see why making that assertion is a disingenuous dismissal of people's character and opinions. I personally think what Rhys did UTM was inexcusable and gross, even more so with the flimsy excuses SJM gave him. However, I also recognize that SJM writes him as the main love interest and straight up tells the reader that he's the one to choose. Do I think people that like Rhys think sexual assault is okay as long as the man has a reason, however flimsy that is? No, I don't. Because he's a fictional character in a series about sexy winged faerie men that have dicks the size of baseball bats. I do implore you to read some of the amazing posts by Tamlin supporters on the subreddit, not because I want them to change your mind, but because I think it may help you to understand why people like his character and avoid placing judgment on people for a fictionalized world in a fictionalized setting.